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A20393 A dialogue. VVherein is plainly laide open, the tyrannicall dealing of l. bishopps against Gods children vvith certaine points of doctrine, vvherein they approue themselues (according to D. Bridges his judgement) to be truely the bishops of the Diuell. Throckmorton, Job, 1545-1601, attributed name.; Penry, John, 1559-1593, attributed name.; Marprelate, Martin, pseud, attributed name. 1589 (1589) STC 6805; ESTC S109672 18,572 34

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Paules Churchyarde at which time he had his presse and letters taken away from him and destroyed for the same cause by my Lords grace of Canterbury nowe he workes in corners vp and downe the Country like a vagabond Puritane With a seared conscience did the Bishops that violence to him in regarde both of the cause and also for the greate charge he hath of wife and six smale children and nowe to bereaue his Poore family of him whose labors was their only comfort maintenance Jack Master Vicker how long was it since Walde-graues gooods were destroyed I haue heard of him before nowe but I knowe him not Minist Tushe you knowe him well enough I am sure it is since his goodes were destroied about Ester was a twelue moneth Jacke And hath he bene all this time absent from his family Minist I Sir and if he had bin there he would easily haue bin had for he hath bin watcht wel enough for that Puritane I will tell you Sir howe they deale with him when they haue any suspition that he is at home although he durst neuer come home they sticke not in the deade time of the nighte to breake downe the maine wales of his house and enter in with constables and pursiuants and this is a common thing with them Jacke I am perswaded the Bishops had bin better to haue giuen him freely 2. hundred pounds towards the setting vp of a newe printinge house for himselfe then to haue destroied his as they haue done Minist I thinke so for it may be he woulde haue followed his calling some other way then to be imploied in those things Jacke Yonder comes a man plodding a pace after vs whatsoeuer he be Minist It may be our companie wil increase and so we shall goe the more cheerefull for it begins to to be late and it is dangerous going here abouts late I can tel you Puritane It may be he is one of your coate Master Vicker Minist I cannot tel but if he be he shall be welcome to me Jacke Surely he comes a pace whatsoeuer he be Minist It may be he woulde be glad of company Jacke Well let vs goe on and continue our talke Puritane Master Vicker I thinke be weary of our communication if you be let vs knowe Minist Noe by my faith Sir not I say what you wil a Gods name Puritane Fye Master Vicker will you sweare I thinke you learned that of your Lord Bishop of London for he vseth it often when he is at boules Jacke What wil Bishops sweare Puritane Sweare Sir I that they wil and defende it to when they haue done For in the first booke of Martin there is mention made of the Bishop of Londons swearing when he is at bowles And the Bishop of Winchester in answering the same saith thus in page 62. of his booke That our Sauiour Christ vsually sware by his faith in his sermons For he saide Amen Amen which is as much to say saith he as by my faith by my faith Jacke Why is that a Bishoppe of God that will sweare thus Minist Fo I haue hearde my Lords grace of Canterbury sweare by his faith an hundred times yea and by God to sometimes and what he doth I take it as a good president for such as I am to followe Puritane I le tel you Master Vicker I am of doctor Bridges his minde of our Bishops for saith he page 339.340 That all our Lord Bishops in England are the Bishops of the Diuel And I am sure of it by these two marks vz. by their tyranical dealing against Gods children and by their wicked and vnconscionable liues that they are not of God Jacke I pray you hath Doctor Bridges written any booke that is published to this effect Puritane Yes indeed and the Bishop of Canterbury hath confirmed it by his authorising of the same and also by his continual practise against Gods children Jacke But I pray you Sir howe wickedly hath he wrested the Scripture in saying our Sauiour Christ continually sware in his sermons when he saide Amen Amen Puritane Why the Bishop of Winchester is most impudent in al his actions for very blasphemously in his sermon preached at Mary Overies at London said that a man might as wel finde fault with the holy Scripture as with our corrupt Common booke of prayer Iacke Our vpon him blasphemous wretch he is certainly the Bishop of the Diuel as Doctor Bridges saith Puritane Will you heare some more of his Diuinitie Jacke O Yes I pray you Sir And yet my harte trembleth to heare of such odious blasphemies as these Puritane He saith it the 49. page of his booke against Martine Marprelate That the Creed of the Apostles Athanasius the Nicene c. containe in them many palpable lies Nowe tel me your opinion of this is it not sound and substantial doctrine I pray you tell me Iacke Doctrine yea indede this may truly be saide to be the doctrine of Diuels Why whither will our Bishops runne in time trowe you if the Magistrate suffer them Puritane I wil tel you euen to their father the Diuel For they haue at no time taken in hand to write in defence of their hierarchie but it hath made their eies so to dazle that they run into most dangerous damnable errors as in this booke of the Bishopps will be prooued neere 500. errours yea in correcting and controling the mightie word of God and also haue interlaced their writings with such contrarietie of matter as one parte of their owne books may serue to confute the other with infinite absurdities yea and by your leaue to even flat treason Jack Many good men did neuer judge the bishop of Winchester to be but an hipocrite Puritane He is a most bitter man to all those that feare God and haue to deale with him for he may well be compared to a horse with a galde backe that hath bin so rubd that he winces frets and chafes so that he is ready to throwe himselfe to vtter destruction with purpose to hurt him that rubd him Even so this Bishop takes to himselfe so much libertie in abusing and profaning the holy worde of God against those that write in the Lords cause against their vnlaweful callings and that I feare me to the endangering both of body and soule Iacke I haue heard that when he was at Lincolne he dealt not so hardly with the ministers as nowe he doth and that often in his Sermons at Northampton he woulde confesse that the Discipline was vsed and practised in the Primitiue Churche a long time after the Apostles Puritane It is very true yet he saith in his book against Martin that the holy Discipline is a platform deuised he knowes not by whome And in an other place of the same booke he confesses that it was practised by the Apostles and long time after in the Primitiue Church and vppon the words where he saith it is not denied there is pasted at
A DIALOGVE VVHERIN IS PLAINLY LAIDE OPEN the tyrannicall dealing of L. Bishopps against Gods children vvith certaine points of doctrine vvherein they approoue themselues according to D. Bridges his judgement to be truely the Bishops of the Diuell MA●●CH 2.7 8 9. The Priests lippes shoulde preserue knowledge and they should seeke the law at his mouth for he is the messenger of the Lorde of hostes But ye are gone out of the way ye haue caused many to fall by the lawe ye haue broken the couenaunt of Leui. Therefore haue I also made you to be despised and vile before all the people because ye keepe not my wayes but haue bene partiall in the lawe A Dialogue vvherein is plainely laid open the tyrannicall dealing of Lord Bb. against Gods children The speakers are these Puritane Papist Jacke of both sides Idoll minister Puritane YOu are well ouertaken sir doe you trauell far this way I pray you Jacke Towards London sir Puritane I shall willingly beare you companie if it please you Jacke With all my hearr I shall be very glad of yours Puritane From whence came you this way Jacke I come out of France Puritane Out of what part of France came you I pray you I came from Rochell my selfe which is a part of France Jacke It is so but I came not neere that place Puritan Out of what parte of Fraunce came you then Jacke I came from Orleans Puritan I pray you what newes from thence is there any likelyhoode of peace there Jacke Yes surely there is some hope of peace for where the Kings powers come they doe commonly yeelde presently Puritan It is a good hearing Jacke What is he that comes after vs so fast Puritan He seemes to be some preacher or dumb minister it may be he goes our way if he doe I hope we shall haue his company whereby wee may passe away way the time in some good conference also heare what newes there is at home here in England Jacke I am content Sir for I shal be glad to heare some good newes me thinks I haue bin very long absent from hence Puritan Very wel we will goe the softlier that he may overtake vs but by the way I pray you if you came from Orleans there they haue the masse for they are of the league then I suppose you haue bin partaker of their Idolatrie Jacke Noe I assure you I detest al Idolatrie euen from my hart Puritan If you doe so I am very glad of it but I pray you let me heare if you can giue me some profe out of the word of God for the confirmation of this your protestation against Idolatrie Jacke I am wel content to giue you a taste thereof whereby it shal appeare that I am far from it For so deerly as I render the saluation of mine own soule so careful am I to shun and fly from all Idolatrie For it is written Deut. 6.13 Thou shalt worship the Lorde thy God and him onely shalt thou serue And the Apostle Paule to the Corinth 1. Epist cap. 10. verse 14. commaundeth vs to Flye from Idolatrie for Idolatrie is sinne and the wages of sinne is death c. Puritan It is wel applied somwhat to the purpose I am very glad if it be done in singlenesse of hart For me thinks you could not possibly be in that place but you must be forced to be present at their Idolatrous Masse Jacke I was neuer present at it in my life I thanke God but the Papists sticke not to say that our service booke in english is a greate parte of it but a meere translation out of the masse booke Puritan Indeede it is true that some parte of our booke of common prayer as they say is a meere translation out of the masse booke but yet there is no such blasphemie and Idolatrie tollerated in it as is dyalie in the masse although it greatly derogate from the worde and is full of greate and greuous corruptions But I pray you howe long were you in Orleans Sir Jacke I was there about a fortnight Puritan Noe longer Jacke Noe Sir Puritane Here comes the minister nowe wee will heare what newes he can tel vs he semes to be but an Idole shepheard we shal haue some good conference with him I hope to passe away the time Minist You are well overraken gentlemen which way trauel you I pray you Puritane Towards London and if it please God Minist I shall be gladd of your company and if it please you Puritan We also shall be glad of yours Sir Jacke I pray you M. Vicker or parson for so you seeme to be what good newes is there here at home in England for we haue bin both of vs in Fraunce we would gladly here some good newes Minist Indede I am a poore Vicker truly we haue no greate good newes here Sir for our Church is so sore pestered with sects scismes that the reuerende fathers and especially my Lords grace of Cant. are so sore troubled with them that they haue no leasure to recreate them selues for those fellowes they are so bolde and mallepert that they preferre petitions to her maiestie the Lords of the counsell yea in print to the high court of parliament Puritane Why sir what be they that do this what doe you cal them are they papists Minist No they are worse then papists for they are fantasticall puritans and Brownists and I can not tel what Puritane What be the points they holde that are so scismatical and erronious Minist Forsooth they woulde haue no Lorde Bb. but every minister to be of equal authoritie one with an other and so make a confusion in the whole state for they haue set downe a newe platforme of Discipline sorsoth as they cal it they cannot tel what them selues Puritane I will tel you my opinion of Lord Bb. it is but an humaine constitution and not warrantable by the worde but vtterly forbidden Minist O I perceue you are one of these fantastical puritanes or Brownists I pray you out of what place of Fraunce cam you Puritane I came from Rochel Minist I thought from Rochel Geneua or Scotland you seeme to be a birde of one of those nests Puritane Sir whatsoeuer I am I doe not dout but to be able to prooue by the word what I haue saide namely the vnlawfulnesse of Lord Bb. Minist Sir that point hath bin handeled by your betters and manifestly confuted by my Lords grace in his writings against Cartwright Puritane In deed he that will be blinde cannot see it but he that looks in both their works with a single eie cannot but confesse M. Cartwright to haue confuted him by vnanswerable evidences or els why would he not haue answered M. Cartwrights workes nowe a dozen yeares extant and more Minist As you of the fantasticall crue thinke but he hath done it and that so sufficiently alreadie that there needs noe more answeres and againe his grace is