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A15781	A briefe treatise in which, is made playne, that Catholikes liuing and dying in their profession, may be saued, by the iudgement of the most famous and learned Protestants that euer were. Agaynst a minister [N.E.] who in his epistle exhorteth an honourable person, to forsake her ancient Catholike Roman Religion, & to become one of his new-found-out Protestant congregation.	Wright, William, 1563-1639.	1623 (1623)	STC 26044; ESTC S103083	31,010	52

worthy lodging that he might match the height of Royall Maiesty not only with fortitude and wisedome but with beauty also and comlines of body whome Fortune in the prime flower of his age trayned vp in many warres and most difficult times of the Commonwealth whilst that she disposed him for the British Empire which whē he was established in he so gouerned hauing ouercome the Welch-men and triumphed ouer the Scots that by good right he is esteemed another ornament of Brittany King Stephen sayth Stow was a noble man and passing hardy of passing comely fauour personage in all Princely vertues he excelled as in martiall policy affability gentlenes and bountifull liberality towards all He was very noble in birth sayth Godwin but much more in vertue and all good manners many miracles wr●teth he are said to be wrought at his Tōbe And this may suffice to vnderstand in some manner the holines and sanctity of our auncient Catholike Kings But to proceed concerning other famous Calikes D. Couell writeth thus of Alexander Hales S. D. Couell in defence of Hooker pag. 241. Bonauenture and Saint Thomas all three great defenders of the Roman Church A●d first of Alexander Hales he sayth who made his Summe that excellent worke by commaundement of Pope Innocentius the fourth that he was called the fountaine of life because of that liuely knowledg● that flowed from him he was mayster of Bona●ent ●re a scholler not inferiour to himselfe of whom he was went to say that in Bonauenture he thought Adam sinned not meaning of that illumination which was in him and doubtlesse there was much in him as though he had not been darkened by the fall of Adam and therefore the Church called him the Seraphicall doctour To these Aquinas was not inferior who came so neere vnto Saint Augustine whome in his book agaynst Burges he esteemeth the chiefest doctor that euer was or euer shall be excepting the Apostles c. that some thought he had all his works by hart by a common prouerbe it was spoken that the soule of Saint Augustine dwelt in Aquinas in whome aboue all the rest foure contraryeties were said to excell aboundāce breuity facility security in respect wherof he gayned the tytle to be called Angelicall Then if these men were the Popes Agents and yet so renowned and glorious and their doctrine so secure and excellent why may not we securely follow them in the same stepps of Agency in such busines Now all this being so it is no wonder if our aduersaries are forced to set out magnify and extoll the Luth. in ep cont Anabaptist Tom. 2. Germ. fol 267. Where also he savth that vnder the Papacy there are many godly men great Saints Church of Rome and truely in that manner as they are not affrayde to deliuer their mindes in such tearmes as Catholikes themselues could scarce desire or wish any better For herehence we confesse sayth D Luther that there is vnder the Papacy most of Christian good yea rather all Christian good and that from thence it came to vs Verily we confesse that there is in the Papacy true Scripture true Baptisme the true Sacrament of the Altar the true keyes to remission of sinns the true office of preaching true Catechisme and I say further that there is in the Papacy true Christianity yea rather the true kernell of Christianity M. Caluin agaynst Sadolet We do not deny those to be the Churches of Christ in which Caluin against Sadolet pag. 128. you gouerne And in the 2. to the Thessalonians he confesseth that the papacy is the Temple yea and the Sanctuary of God and else where that the Caluin l. 4. instit c. 2. n. 11. couenant of God hath remayned with them inuiolable Iunius All diuine thinges are in the Popes Church and hitherto it is the Church of God Iunius de Eccles c 17. col 1020. Zanchius The Roman Church is yet the Church of God Plessey Mornay The Roman Church is the Mornay lib. de Eccle. c. 2. 10. spouse of Christ as yet not diuerted from him she is a mother that bringeth forth children to God the name of the Church is no more to be denyed to her then the name of a man as long as he liueth Polan part 1. Thes de Eccles Polanus The Roman Church at this day is yet the Church of Christ Serauia The Church of Rome it yet the Church and see what I will say more she is Serauia in defens lib. de gratia Minist pag. 3. our mother in the which and by which God hath regenerated And agayne The Couenant of God to this day doth remayne in the Latine Church Boyswell I acknowledge the Church of Boys in cōfut Spon pag. 6 2. 283. 822. Rome as yet to be in the Couenant of God yea she is the Church the spouse and the Temple of God the Church of Iesus Christ redeemed by him D. Hooker We acknowledge willingly D. Hooker l. 3. de Politia Eccles p. 128. them to wit the Papists to be of the family of Iesus Christ D. Cou●ll I affirme the members of the Cou●ll in Apol pag. 68. Church of Rome to be members of the true Church of Christ and that those who liue and dye in that Church may be saued And D. Whitaker doth confesse That amongst D. Whitaker contro 4. 9. 5 c. 3. p. 682. the Papists is a ministery and a certaine preaching of the Word which without doubt to some is sufficient to saluation D. White in defence c. 7. p. 356. cap. 41. p. 408. I neuer deemed sayth D. White that to be the visible Church of God in the which our Auncestors held the true fayth and were saued And agayne We confesse that the Church of Rome in all ages hath been the visible Church of God Schluss tom 8. in catal Haeret. pag. 434. Sclusselburg Luther saith that all Christian good is in the Popedome that from thence it came to vs we do not deny Rhegius in cōsider censurae pag. 93. And Iohannes Rhegius Although it be true that the ministery of the Popes was corrupt with many traditions and inuentions of men neuerthelesse it had those thinges which were necessary to saluation to wit the Canonicall bookes the Creed of the Apostles Leonardus Crentremius The Bishop of Crentrem in 1. Cor. 3. Rome doth retaine this same ground of Catholike fayth 1. Corinth 3. the which both I doe acknowledge with the Catholike and Apostolicall Church although in certaine circumstāces there be some diuersity of opinions Zanch. in prefat lib. de natura Dei Zanchius The Church of Rome in despite of Sathan did retayne the principal groūds of fayth Boyswell We acknowledge that the Church Boyswell in Confutatione Sondei p. 79. of Rome is pure in the principall articles of Christian Religion Hooker They hould constantly to wit Papists Hooker lib. 5. de polit pag. 128.

A BRIEFE TREATISE IN WHICH Is made playne that Catholikes liuing and dying in their Profession may be saued by the Iudgment of the most Famous and Learned Protestants that euer were Agaynst a Minister N. E. who in his Epistle exhorteth an Honourable Person to forsake her ancient Catholike Roman Religion to become one of his new-found-out Protestant Congregation Deut. 32. Vers 31. Et Inimici nostri sunt Iudices Our Enemies also are Iudges Permissu Superiorum M. DC XXIII THE PREFACE Contayning certaine Considerations as well for better vnderstāding the drift of this Treatise as for auoyding all cauills and answearing such Obiections as might be made against this Grand Protestant Iury. The Zuinglians are to be nūbred say the Lutherans with th● Anabaptists Nestorians Turkes And againe The Zuinglians call the Lutherās Eutichians and ouerthrowers of many articles of faith Iezler de Diuturnit Bell. Euchar. pag. 78. Stancarus All the Churches which those men call Reformed by the Ghospell and the Sonne of God hold the faith of Geneua Zuricke concerning Christ are Ariās neyther cā this he denyed which I haue aboue demonstrated So he de Trinit c. 8. Sturmius By these hatefull dissentions peruerse opinions the foundatiōs of our Religion are ouerthrowne the chiefest articles are called in question many heresies are brought into the Church of Christ and the high way to Mahometisme Atheisme is apparently prepared Agayne The Lutherans saith he do hold the Protestant Caluinian Churches of England France Flanders and Scotland for hereticall their Martyr● for martyrs of the diuell De ration Cōcord ineund l. ● p. 2. 24. FOR the better vnderstanding of what we are about to handle in this Treatise we must obserue first that the maine drift and scope therof is to shew how it is farre better and more secure to liue dye a Catholike in the Romaine Church then a Protestant in what Congregation soeuer not only because one of them doth condemne the other for Schismatickes and Heretikes as vncapable of saluatiō but also because Catholickes doe neuer affirme that Protestants liuing and dying Protestans may be saued not for want of charity in Catholickes as some doe cauill seing they desire nothing more thē the saluation of all but for want of true faith in Protestants without the which it is impossible to please God whereas Protestāts doe not deny that comfort to any vertuons Romaine Catholike so that for the saluatiō of ●or that brea●● saith D. Whyte amōg vs Protestants ōly toucheth some particular mē in matters not cō●erning f●yth ●n the way pag. 13● Rog●rs in his Preface to the booke of Articles Willet Antilog pag. ●5 20. D Georg Abbot against Hill p. 101. 102. D. Doue In matters of religiō we all agree Persuas p. 3● And if they do not agree in on faith ●ow ●● they be the true Church which is but o●e hath only one Lord one Faith one Baptisme Ephes ● C●ntic 6. 8. My doue is one Symbolum Constant O●e holy Catholy●●● and Apostolicall Church Cal. l 4 inst c ● ● ● See Suarez dis● de Ecc Sect. 4 ● ● l. de fide spe c. Catholickes we haue not only the beliefe of Catholickes themselues but also the iudgement of most Famous and Learned Protestants who teach the same eyther expressely or at least in such tearmes as with the help of their owne brethrē with whom they are sayd to agree at least in all materiall points may sufficiently be proued and in this sense are to be vnderstood the verdicts of all those which may seeme not to be so full and sufficient as the other in this Grand Protestant Iury. As for example Zanchius and other Protestants affirme that the Roman Church as yet is the Church of God Here in expresse words is not auerred that those who liue and die well in this Church may be saued which neuerthelesse according to the common doctrine of Catholikes doth plainly inough imply the possibility of saluatiō to all those who are members of such a Church For if they cannot be saued in the Church of God which is but one where els should they seeke for theyr saluation Or if they cannot but be damned in the Church of God M. Cartright I doubt not but diuers fathers of the Greeke Church who were great Patrones of Free-will are saued M. Sparke discoursing of the honoring of Saints Reliques prayer for the dead saith VVe are not so hasty to pronoūce sentence of condemnation of any for such errors Acontius cōcerning the Reall presence Both those that deny it and those that doe hold it are in the way of Saluation Cōcerning Transubstantiatiō D. Luther writeth thus Bread wyne are not in th● Sacramēt of the Aultar but the shewes or accidents of bread and wyne for the bread is changed into the true and naturall body of Christ the wyne into the true and naturall bloud of Christ Serm. de Euch. Concerninge receauing vnder one or both kinds there is no commaundment saith D. Luther Concerning the Pope● Supremacy about it saith D. Luther he is to be borne with all Melancton teacheth how his Monarchy is profitable Concerning Satisfaction It was an error in the holy Fathers saith D. Whitaker yet notwithstanding they were good men and holy Fathers Did not Iohn H●●se that worthy Champion of Christ saith M. Francis Iohnson other martyrs of foretymes heare say Masse euen to their dy●●g day c. Did not also diuerse of them acknowledge some the Popes calling an● Supremacy some 7. Sacraments some ●uricular Confession And Benedict Morgenstern These things were pardonable in the Godly who held the Pope to be the Vicar of Christ and head of the Church the Papacy for the Church Saintes for mediators and the Masse for the Supper of the Lord. See the Protest Apol. pag. 471. 684. You may find aboue three score pointes of Catholicke Doctrine taught by learned Protestants through all the seauenth Section how doth such an assembly deserue to be stiled the Church of God and not rather the Synagogue of Sathan But if Zanchius or any other call the Church of Rome the Church of God although it haue some damnable errous which hinder the professors therof from their saluation I hope by clearing those imagined errours from being any such barres out of Zanchius his owne learned brethren euery one may inferre that Zanchius with the help of his brethren Protestants affoardeth saluation to all Catholickes liuing well and dying in the Church of Rome The helps which we haue out of learned Protestants be these To wit that neyther the beliefe of free will prayer to saints the reall presence trāsubstātiatiō receauing vnder one or both kinds worshipping of Images the Popes supremacy and the monarchy of the B. of Rome satisfaction merit of good workes priuate Masse seauē Sacramēts or any such taught by the Roman Church doe hinder any from being capable of their

and haue set it downe for his Verdict perswading our selues that he could say no lesse truth which is more forcible then either rack or tormēt comp●lling him therunto For otherwise no mā willingly lyeth to his owne shame nor freely cōfesseth that which ouerthroweth his owne cause But what he vttereth against the Church of Rome for being accursed and anathematized by her for so many errors and heresies both in Luther Zuinglius and other old rotten hereticall Se F. Persons Relation of the Triall with his defence therof against Plessy and O. E by N. D. Semel mendax semper praes●mitur mendax Glossa Admitten●ū in l. Si cui crimen §. 1. ff de Accusation Alciat Menoch Rake-hells of former times we cannot so easily belieue but rather think thē no better then notorious vntruthes and meere slaunders as proceeding from him who had a great talent in this black Art of lying which publickely was made knowne to his eternall shame by cardinall Perone before the most Christian King and Court Luther VVhosoeuer is once taken in a lye know most certainly that he is not of God but ought to be suspected in all thinges In Assert Teuton art 25. But Plessy Mornay was conuinced before the King of Frāce in 9. one day and the exception that the Cardinall tooke agaynst him did cōcerne 4000. as is to be seene in the relation aboue cyted The Diuell hath his Prophets saith Ter●ullian whose badg mark is falsity lying so that it must of necessity fall whatsoeuer is built vpon such ● ground de praescr c. 40. of France and therfore we purposely haue forborne to disgrace the Iury with any such foule and fi●thy stuffe as he setteth downe in the latter part of his sentence seing it is folly sayth his learned Brother Vorstius to bring in the guilty as vvitnesses in their ovvne cause or rather to bring in one that hath byn condemned not once but so often to rage rayle and lye not only against his true and lawfull Iudge but also against many other Catholickes Peeres Princes Kings and Emperours who all according to Plessey should haue byn bred and borne bastards by an Adultresse and brought vp children Idolatours by an hereticall harlot for the Diuell But o my Plessey I pray thee how could she be an Adultresse against whom Hell gates were foretold neuer to preuayle or how could that Church be Hereticall which neuer was condemned eyther by any lawfull generall or prouinciall Councell or by any other iust commanding power or how could she bring vp children to the Diuell or be an Idolatresse who hath brought vp all to God that euer were brought to him since the first erecting of the Church of Christ as we haue shewed before These then are your malicious imputations and not those glorious tytles becōming Christs vnspotted Spouse and her who hath byn accompted alwayes the sacred Sanctuary and the holy Temple of the liuing God And therfore detesting your impieties we must rather giue eare and harken to that holy Byshop and glorious Martyr S. Cyprian who speaking of the Church wryteth S. Cyprian de vnitate Eccl. thus One Mother sayth he there is by the fecundity of her issu● copious and fertile by her increase vve are borne vvith her milk vve are nourished we are animated with her spirit The Spouse of Christ cannot play the aduoutresse she is imaculate and vndefiled she knoweth one house she keepeth with chast bashfulnes the sanctity of one bedd This Church preserueth vs in God this aduanceth to the Kingdome the children she hath brought forth whosoeuer deuided from the Church cleaueth to the aduoutresse is separated from the promises of the Church To whom we add S. Augustine the greatest of all the Fathers and worthyest Deuine the Church of God euer had since the Apostles if we may belieue D. Field who is styled lykewise the mouth of antiquity by other Protestants giuing vs this wholsome Coūsell against all s●ch slaunderers of the church of Rome For writing against the S. Aug. tom 7. de vnitate Eccles c. 11. lyke lies of the Donatists I know sayth he what is written in the holy and Canonicall Scriptures concerning the Church of Rome the fayth therof I know not what you say of her Apostacy or falling from her faith Truly as we doe read in bookes the which you also doe honour and reuerence of the Roman Church and fayth therof So also read you out of Bookes vnto vs the which we also doe honour and reuerence how she forsooke and lost her fayth Doth it please you that we should belieue euery slaunderous reproach of men vpon what occasion soeuer it was vttered and obiected against the Roman Church the which the Holy Ghost hath both deliuered and commended vnto vs by his holy Scriptures This indeed is pleasing to you but whom it should more iustly please you see well inough but you being ouercome by obstinacy will not yield to the truth We therfore being about to looke as well into the true doctrine and verity as into the holines and purity of this Church from whence doth proceed the security of liuing and dying well in her lappe we are to vse the testimonies especially of Famous Protestants to the end the banners of her glorie may be carryed about and displayed by the penns and mouthes of our Aduersaries that all whosoeuer are not maliciously bēt may therby extoll and magnify the infinit goodnes of Gods prouidence who hath made as we may say euē the enemies of his Church and children although otherwise partiall witnesses with open mouth to cry out and blaze abroad in effect That this is the seed and familie of Iesus Christ whom our Lord hath blessed yea and hath made the S. Cyprian l. 1. ep 3. holy Ghost to inspire the ancient Fathers to warrant vs that this is the Church to S. Hierom. l. 3. Apol. contra Ruffin which misbeliefe can haue no accesse which receaueth no forgery and though an Angell S Cyril apud D. Thom. in catena teach otherwise then hath byn once preached guarded with S. Pauls authoritie it cannot be changed which remayneth vnspotted from S. Gregor Nazianz in carm de vita sua all seducing and hereticall circumuention which hath the true fayth euen from the tymes of our for●●athers alwaies remayneth as is fit for a citty that ruleth the whole world to haue euer more a sound fayth to God Out of all which we may cōclude that this is that blessed Cōpany of holy ones that houshold of sāctity that spouse of christ church of the liuing God which is the Pillar and ground of truth whose cōmuniō we may boldly imbrace whose directions we may safely follow rest securely in her iudgments as in that sacred society the which for this 1600. yeares hath yielded vp all those blessed Soules of the Apostles Martyrs Confessors Virgins and of all the rest to God which now