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A10684	An ansvvere to a Romish rime lately printed, and entituled, A proper new ballad wherein are contayned Catholike questions to the Protestant, the which ballad was put foorth without date or day, name of authour or printer, libell-like scattered and sent abroad, to withdraw the simple from the fayth of Christ, vnto the doctrine of Antichrist the pope of Rome / written by that Protestant Catholike, I.R.	Rhodes, John, fl. 1606.	1602 (1602)	STC 20959; ESTC S1295	13,979	42

so pure What is the chaffe vnto the wheat what is mans wit to wisdome great Your gold is brasse your siluer tinne your teaching drosse your deeds but sinne Remember what you taught and did before that your bad tricks were spi'd Remember persons time and place and so repent and call for grace Whereas you charge our liues for bad we grieue thereat we are not glad If you did rule it would be so and ten times worse full well I knowe This Realme is very populous and you like night-birds hinder vs. Christ said you know that in each land sinne it would get the vpper hand Let all men striue therefore say I against all sinne and Popery You liue at ease and as you will like Epicures your selues you fill Your belly is your God in deed your puffed cheekes your hands doe feede The best of all things in eche land by flights you got into your hand Thus did you fast thus did you prey on men and women night and day A thousand waies your gaines came in through Antichrist that man of sinne You would no wiues for that was ill but whoores and harlots at your will No woman must come in your sight vnless it were some Nun by night Your common Stewes you still maintaine for why they bring the Pope much gaine When Monasteries brake vp here then did your filthynesse appeare Thousands of Infants heads were found in ponds and priuies which you drownd Like dogges and foxes therefore you did lead your liues it is your due Like swine like wolues like sathans brood that neuer did Gods people good Like hypocrites in euery place you liued and doe without Gods grace You make poore people to beleeue that you can all their sinnes forgiue It were too long to make relation how you and yours deserue damnation But where you say that we doe write of this our faith which you despite That it was found and did appeare to be the trueth sixe hundred yeare We say that from Christ his Assension for our fayth was no such contention As Papists make now at this day nor in that space of yeeres we say But this our faith it euer stood euen since that Abel lost his blood On Gods sweet word we doe depend for it shall iudge vs in the end It is our wisdome and our ioy and mans traditions are a toy Though some things hard doe there appeare the rest we read in all the yeare And find that it sufficient is to guide all men to heauenly blisse What would you more but that you stand for Popish trash in euery land Now where you aske of Popery when it began and to sit hie I answere will to your demand both readily and out of hand It bred in the Apostles time and so increaste by many a signe Great strife then grew three hundred yeres as in Church stories it appeares For many things but chiefly one who should be supreme head alone All Bishops wrote against this thing no Emperour would euer bring Any one Bishop to the same till wicked Phocas time by name But he a wicked murtherer vnto this act was furtherer That none might checke him for that deede of killing father mother and seede Thus did proud Bishop Boniface third of that name set in highest place And now the other Bishops three that made vp foure of one degree Were first made vassall vnto Rome from whence all Popish trash doth come When Boniface was thus aloft he playd his part and wonders wrought And so did all of Rome beside vntill they grew to their full pride And were of late vnhorst agayne by Christian Kings that them disdayne The true Church was eclipsed then and had in scorne of carnall men The Prophecies fulfilled were of Daniel who prayd in feare And those in Reuelation which God did giue vnto S. Iohn A thousand yeeres this held out so that Christs true flock you could not know But by their persecution sharpe which they endur'd with willing heart Yet still Christ and his Gospell stood in persecution and in blood The Popes left off to preach and teach and after wordly things to reach In time they grew so fierce and fell that no good man with them could dwell They put down Kings and Princes hie abusing them to slauery And what they said or did was lawe thus euery one was kept in awe In all your Popes true faith did faile and hell it selfe did much preuaile The salt his sauor lost in them Christ was in trueth reiected then Yea all his death and glorious passion was turn'd into another fashion Each Pope a new toy did deuise to blind and bleare the peoples eyes Fooles Apes and Asses still they made of Gods poore people by this trade The second question that you make I answere will for each mans sake That cannot answere readily your Arguments and Sophistry Where was our Church you say that time where did the beauty of it shine Where did our chiefest Pastour sit who kept our keyes who rulde our ship You did vs shew you Churches built as you can shew those we haue spilt To these in order as they lye I will in few words now reply Where is the Sun the Moone the Stars when clouds darknes make them wars Doe they not shine still where they be vnder those clowdes Euen so did we Our chiefest Pastor he is Christ and he sits in the heauens highest He hath the keyes and guides our ship and laughs to scorne our little wit For Churches first we answere you by Churches of another hiewe How many Churches hath Christ built and you the blood of them haue spilt Of other Churches that you speake God in his iudgement doth them breake Euen as he did Hierusalem for killing of his Prophets then And as he did the hill Alters and Groues of all Idolaters You aske what are become alway of all that dyed to this day We are no Iudges in this case we leaue them to the Throne of grace Idolaters may aske you so of those that haue dyed long agoe What answere can you make therein but this that God for all their sinne May iustly damne them if he will or saue where he likes not to kill When Abram was with Cera he his father deare as children be And God cald Abraham away what should he not Gods call obay Or should he answere as you doe As my friends did I will doe too But you will say you be none such when yet you vse like things too much Try by the Scriptures well and see who comes neer'st Idoles you or we You aske how you might find vs out to answere things that were in doubt I say that euen as wolues by kinde the sheepe and lambes in field can finde So you did find vs to our cost or else how were our liues so lost

First in the persecutions ten and in the rest succeeding them In England Scotland in Fraunce and euery place you taught that daunce But when the day of count shall come that you shall answere all and some When Christ the Master of the sheepe shall reckon vs as it is meet Then from the blood of Abelstime vnto the last of such like crime You and the rest shall answere all vnto your sorrow griefe and thrall Unlesse you doe repent with speed your count will fearefull be indeed Till Luthers time you say that we heard not of Christ but you shall see That we not you haue heard of him as onely pardoner of our sinne Thrise happy Luther and the rest except some faults which we detest And ten times happy euery land that hath receiued with strong hand The Gospell pure of Christ on hie and haue put downe all Popery You aske who kept all Scripture then who made our Priests all Church-men We answere that our God of loue did saue and keepe it from aboue As in the time of Ieremy when it was burnt by Iehudy And as the Arke deliuered was from Philistims as came to passe And finally as God can make all creatures serue his Church and quake Now for our Churchmens ordination we know the Scriptures good relation And so were made our Bishops all our Ministers both great and small Salomon made Sadock he Priest in Abiathars roome to be So in the stead of Popish priests our Queene sent Ministers for Christ And though a time some were but weake yet now a number can well speake And where you say you maruell how we did receyue such as did vow Themselues your Priests of Popish order to serue with vs in any border My answere is that you might see what men of mercy Protestants be Which would receiue all to saluation and not condemne them in your fashion You did deuise you know to keepe all men from feeding of our sheepe An ordination may be good though some men guilty of soules blood Unworthy be in Church to serue for punishment that they deserue Some thing tooke ill in hand also at first may yet in time we know Proue good againe and so may this the Church-mens calling is for blisse If yours not so or be not right amend your fault beare vs no spight And to conclude you bragge and say that Austin first did here bewray The trueth of Christ but it 's not so true histories doe name vs moe But graunt that hee first taught this land were all things good came from his hand No no he taught much Popery but not so much as now doth fly Simon Zelotes and Saint Paul are said to teach vs first of all Till you these things doe well disproue I wish all men in tender loue To note what I haue sayd herein to turne to God and leaue their sinne To trust no Popish Iesuite nor yet in Masse-priests to delight For certainely their Hierarchy their kingdome and their policy Shall will and must of force fall downe for Christ abhorres the triple Crowne This Christ in mercy therefore saue our Queene and vs with that we haue Our children and posterity and keepe vs from all Popery His holy Gospell graunt vs still and frame vs to his holy will That we may know and loue the same vnto the glory of his name Pray heare and read continually that from this truth we neuer flye Amen The Epilogue THus good Readers hauing postingly run ouer this Romish Rime as a Priest doeth his Masse and Mattens whē he hath haste another way I will come to an end In this Pamphlet you haue rather seene my loue and good will then my wisdome or great skill but I trust you that are well minded will take the same in good part howsoeuer others doe considering my chiefest purpose herein was that the simple and ignorant might haue benefit thereby whom Papists abuse by sending vnto them such like trumpery by Popish Pedlers men and women The which Pedlers are as ready to do the Papists seruice herein as the women and merchants were of whom we read Ier. 7.16 to 20. 44.15 to 24. Reue. 18.11 12 13. Their Popes wares I call these things Pardons Agnus Deies Beades holy Candels Paxes Crosses Crucifixes with sundrie sorts of bookes as Iesus Psalter Ladies Psalter Rosaries c. which they preferre before the holy Bible and booke of God and before Dauids Psalter or Psalmes when yet these bookes of theirs are most blasphemous and wicked yea bold and presumptuous as is D. Loarts booke and others in leauing out the second Commaundement and making two of the last to fill vp the number of ten But more of this at some other time and vpon some further occasion when I shall haue a little leysure to propoūd the Papists some true Catholike questions And so I end beseeching God to blesse vs our Queene and Realme from all Popery and Popish gouernment now and for euer Amen FINIS A merry song and a very song SOspitati pickt our purse with Popish illusio Purgatory scala coeli pardons cum Iubilio Pilgrimage-gate where Idoles sate with all abominatio Channons Fryers common lyers that filthy generatio Nunnes huling pretty puling as Cat in milke-pannio See what knauerie was in Monkerie and what superstitio Becking belling ducking yelling was their whole Religio And when women came vnto them fewe went sine filio But Abbeyes all are now downe fall Dei beneficio And we doe pray day by day that all abominatio may come to desolatio Amen A verse added to make the matter full in the Papists spéech Of sects 1. Cor. 11.19 That is England Ireland In Synopsis Papismi printed 1600. where 500. heresies are sound in Popery Ier. 14.14 Ma. 28.19 20. Iesuits doctrine Ma. 23.15 Ro. 1.7 8. Looke the pagent of Popes made by Io. Studly Reue. 18. Mal. 1.11 Ro. 10.18 * Mat. 15.1 to 10. 23. to the end Looke M. Beacons booke entituled The reliques of Rome Rom. 1● 6 1. Cor. 12.2 Ephe. 4.11 Note well Act. 20.20 This is spoken of the Ministers of y e church and not of the Church it selfe Zac. 13.7 1 Ki. 19.14 Mat. 2.16 17. Read for disproofe of this y t council of Hippo the 3. councill of Carthage Numb 22. 23. Note I pray you Pro. 27.2 teacheth you another lesson It is no better if you marke it well And like vilde Ruffians Swash bucklers or Cauiliers Ma. 13.3 4 We are not Iudges in this matter we leaue them to God Note this his impudency and slaunder God did preserue his word at all times Ier. 37.23 Iohn 10. It is more thē euer he did challēge Faith is y e gift of God no man can giue it Ia. 1.17 Note the line of Amen Mat. 7.15 Ier. 23.21 Ioh. 10.8 Ma. 23.14 2. Tim. 3.6 Iosua 9.2 Ma. 23.25 Note Heb. 4.12 That is when you wallowed in y e sinnes of Popery Ma. 24.12 Lu. 12.19 Phil. 3.19 Am. 6.1 2. Note well 1. Cor. 7.1 2 Si non caste c. was your doctrine Look Bales votaries Looke Bels motiues Looke Synopsis Papismi Cant. 2.15 1. Pe. 2.22 Luke 11.39 40 41 42. As appeareth by your pardons extāt The Papists would haue vs say y t our fayth was but 600. yeres old but we say it is frō Adams time not interrupted till Phocas time Io. 6.68 12.48 Mat. 23. Psal. 19.7 2. Tim. 3.15 16 17. In y e Apostles time in Phocas the Emperors time more fully Read the Acts Monuments with other stories Looke Beda Eusebius Iewel Foxes book 2. Tim. 3.9 1. Ki. 19.14 Dan. 9.1 Reue. 12.1 Acts. 8. Mat. 2.27 Acts. 4. The first 10 persecutiōs and others since 2. The. 2. Mat. 5. Looke Beacons booke of the Reliques of Rome The answere is made by another question Esay 9.7 Reue. 2.27 1. Co. 15.25 Ioh. 10.16 Psal. 2.9 Papists cā burne y e bodies of mē yet make complaynt for their superstitious Temples of lyme stone Deut. 7.5 Lu. 13.34 2. Kin. 18.4 Gen. 12.1 Note this ye Papists We are bound to praise God for y e light of his truth whatsoeuer our fathers did The wolfe doth aske of the sheep where he is when he hath the shéep in his clawes Lu. 11.47 48 to 52. Mat. 25. Reue. 20. 2.4 20. 6.9 10. 3.16 17 18 19. God kept y e Scripture as in Ieremies time when Iehudi the King burnt it Ier. 37.23 1. Sam. 5.1 2. Acts. 20. Tit. 1.5 1. Kin. 2.35 Not by giuing imposition of hands but by commaunding some that were in y e function to doe it Those that forsooke Popery were contēt to labor in y e Gospel to their powers they had place only not all without respect of gifts or repentance D.W. pag. 143 144 to T. C. in this poynt printed 1574. Read Iewels reply to H. pag. 167. Ro. 15.19 An admonition to all y t wauer and halt betwéene two opinions A Prayer necessary for al to vse