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A70229	The Quakers appeal answer'd, or, A full relation of the occasion, progress, and issue of a meeting held in Barbican the 28th of August last past wherein the allegations of William Pen in two books lately published by him against Thomas Hicks, were answered and disproved, and Tho. Hicks, his quotations out of the Quakers own books attested by several as being appeal'd unto.	Hicks, Thomas, 17th cent.; Kiffin, William, 1616-1701.	1674 (1674)	Wing H1924; ESTC R2772	24,153	49

Jerusalem a type a figure a shadow that is past away What have you to do with Christ at Jerusalem Have done with him Both these Instances are attested by Mr. Nath. Robinson Minister at Southampton The next particular Opinion which I charge the Quakers with is this 4. That Christ redeems himself This I draw as a necessary consequence from their words see Dial. 1st p. 47. William Pen. This is a stumble and a gross perversion of our words Reas against Rayl p. 62. Tho. Hicks Whether this be a perversion or not I shall refer you to their own words Few are come to know what it is that wants Redemption and that the promise is to For there is a seed to which the Promise of Redemption is Ja. Naylor love to the lost p. 47. Christ is the Election and the Elect seed Ibid. pag. 32. The Promise of God is to the seed that hath been laden as a cart with sheaves by the sinner which seed is the hope Christ G. Fox Gr. myst p. 324. We doe assert the Redemption of the seed Will. Pen. Reas against Rayl p. 62. T is no wayes absurd that we affirm That the end of Gods manifesting himself in the flesh was for the Redemption and deliverance of His Holy life that was in a man as a small seed even the smallest of seeds that had been long vex'd grieved and press'd down by sin and iniquity Will. Pen Ib. p. 63. This seed was and is pure for ever Ib. p. 64. That which was lost is still in mans heart and there it must be sought for it remains still in the house that is mans heart this is the thing to be sought This Christ came to seek and to save And all his ministers preach'd people to this the lost in man a lost God a lost Christ * G. Keith In a meeting with me a few weeks since told me That he added these words viz. That they might find a lost God a lost Christ whom they had lost I then answered t is true those words were added yet were they no otherwise serviceable to him than as a blind to deceive his unwary reader For First By lost in his whole discourse in that book cited is intended of God and Christ which he there calls The principle Kingdom or Appearance of Christ by his light in mans heart And as Jesus Christ came to seek and save the lost so all his ministers preach'd people to this The lost in them Secondly The sence I put upon the word lost is no other Than what William Pen allows lost saith he As taken by Tho. Hicks is meant of mans lost condition And as there used by G. Keith is understood of God and Christ whom man had lost Rea. against Rayl pag. 61. Thirdly I further said that the sence in which I represented him was according to the opinions of others of his friends This was the sum and substance of their Doctrine G. Keith Immed Revel p. 75 76. When God created man He put his Image Christ the express image of himself in man He breathed into him the breath of life He lived in God And Christ the light of men was his life lived in him then the Lamb was not slain Christ the Lamb the life of man But when man sinned so the Lamb came to be slain in him from the foundation of the world That Holy meek harmless nature The Lambs nature was slain in him Now the bowels of the Fathers love stir'd in compassion to the work of his own hands that of the pure creation in man which though shut up in death yet it remain'd and perish'd not as to its being It did not become a nothing but remain'd a being And this is the lost which God sent his son into the world to seek and to save not to seek and save the old Adam that birth of the Serpents begetting but to destroy it for it is not capable of Gods salvation But that which Christ came to save is that of God which proceeded from him The seed of God in man * Judge Reader whether I have wronged G. Keith or not The seed of Abraham whereof Abrahams old decayed body as good as dead and Sarahs barren womb was a type G. Keith Immed Revel p. 44. 45 46. of this seed he elsewhere speaks thus what the seed and birth of God in us Iudgeth or discerneth or doth is ever infallible the eye of the seed alwayes seeth infallibly This Book Intituled Immediat Revelation G. Keith affirmed to me in the hearing of many credible witnesses that it was written by the immediate Inspiration of the Spirit of God Its ear alwayes heareth infallibly its hand alwayes acteth infallibly Ibid p. 23. This seed and birth of God in man is that which Geo. Keith saith Christ came to seek and save These instances considered I shall leave it with you to Judge whether my consequence was not proper from their words my next charge is this 5. That the Quakers do deny the Scriptures to be the Rule of Faith and Practice unto Christians Proof We deny the Scriptures to be the Rule of Faith and Practice In honour to that Divine Light that was the Authour of them c. Will. Pen. Reas against Rayl pag. 48. There is nothing in the Scripture that is a duty upon me or which I am obliged to obey because there Recorded Whatsosoever is a Command to me I must not receive from any man or thing without me nay not the Scripture it self Yea it is the greatest Error in the world that ever was Invented and the ground of all Error to affirm that the Scripture ought to be a Rule to Christians Ben. Furly a noted Quaker in a Letter See Dial 1. pag. 79. He that perswades people to let the Scriptures be the Rule of Faith and Practice would keep People in Darkness For whosoever walks by the Rule without them and teach men so to do would make void the Covenant of Life and Peace Edw. Burrows works pag. 62. G. VVhitehead accounts it Idolatry to call the Bible a Means of our knowing God Dip. Pl. pag. 13. To such as say the Scriptures are the Rule G. Whitehead writes thus Poor men you have shewn your selves sufficiently herein And what an Empty Implicite Faith you are in and how void both of the Knowledge of God Christ and Salvation you are And how yet in your sins having denied Christ and his Light within to be your Rule and Way and Foundation as he is to his Followers And so you are walking by your Fancies and Imaginations who set the Scriptures in the place of Christ as your only absolute Rule and ground of your Faith and Knowledge Christ ascended pag. 11. Charge 6. 6. That the speaking of the Spirit in any is of greater Authority than the Scriptures See Dial. 1. pag. 28. Proved This Question was put to a Quaker as G. VVhithead confesseth Do you esteem of your speakings to be of as

THE QUAKERS APPEAL ANSWER'D OR A FULL RELATION Of the Occasion Progress and Issue of a Meeting held in Barbican the 28 th of August last past VVherein the Allegations of William Pen in Two BOOKS lately Published by Him against Thomas Hicks were Answered and Disproved And Tho. Hicks his Quotations out of the Quakers own Books Attested by several as being appeal'd unto Published for Common Information Deut. 19.16 c. If a false VVitness arise against any man to Testifie against him that which is False Then both the Men between whom the controversieis shall stand up before the Lord before the Priests and the Judges which shall be in those days And the Judges shall make Diligent Inquisition and behold if the Witness be a false Witness Then you shall do unto him as he thought to have done unto his Brother So shall you put the Evil away from you LONDON Printed for Peter Parker at the Leg and Star in Cornhil over against the Royal Exchange 1674. Where are Sold the three Dialogues between a Christian and a Quaker To the Reader WHereas there have been several Books published of late by Thomas Hicks by way of Dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker Against which the people called Quakers have manifested great offence G. Whitehead calls the First Dialogue a malitious Forgery and Fiction stuft with manifest slanders against persons and principles Dip. pl. p. 1. To the first and second Dialogues William Pen wrote an Answer Intituled Reason against Ratling and Truth against Fiction c. Unto which Thomas Hicks replyed in a Third Dialogue Intituled The Quaker condemned out of his own mouth To this last William Pen saith something in his Counterfeit Christian Detected c. Wherein he doth charge Thomas Hicks with vile Forgeries and black slanders c. By way of Appeal to all sober people especially those called Anabaptists in and about the City of London And at the end of which book we have these words by way of appeal A Postscript by another hand We expect to hear what the Baptists in and about London will say as being appealed to concerning their Brother Tho. Hicks his proceeding in his three Dialogues and whether they approve thereof or of such Play-Books or Romances about Religion yea or nay For they are highly concerned to give Judgement and to be plain to the world herein as they tender the Glory of God and the Reputation of Religion c. Now if you the Teachers and Elders c. among the Baptized people do not publickly clear your selves of Tho. Hicks and these his unjust proceedings against us and hereafter he further persists therein we may take it for granted that you own his work and may justly deal with him and pursue him not onely as Tho. Hicks but as the Baptists great Champion peculiar Agent or Representative But if you ingenuously clear your selves of him and his corrupt perverse work then his future miscarriages will be chargeable onely upon Tho. Hicks himself and you shall appear to the world so far clear thereof and approve your selves the more honest and sincere towards God Truth and Religion The aforesaid book of William Pens was distributed at the doors of some of our Meeting places the second of August last Though some of us met not with it till several days after Upon the reading of this Appeal we were concerned to examine the several things charged by William Pen against Tho. Hicks and the rather because the said Appeal signifies that if we did not deal with him as such a person therein represented they would interpret his proceedings as the Act of the whole Baptists c. Now forasmuch as Thomas Hicks is a member with us and one whose conversation hath been honest and unblameable to the best of our knowledge having so heavy a charge exhibited against him viz. A Forger and a Lyar we could do no less than desire Tho. Hicks to give us a Publick-meeting that we might hear what he could say hereunto and if he had done them any wrong either by misquoting of them in any of their books or slandering of them in any thing he had charged them with That we might if any such thing appeared discharge that duty towards him as becomes us viz. either to bring him to acknowledge his evil as Publickly as he had wronged them or to have disowned him as a person unworthy of countenance amongst us in case he should refuse so to do It being altogether contrary to our principles and practice to allow any amongst us that shall either in word or deed wrong any sort of men Hereupon a Letter was sent to William Pen as followeth William Pen Whereas an Appeal has been made to us in a Book lately published by thee Intituled The Counterfeit Christian Detected c. That we should clear our selves of Tho. Hicks and As the Appeal expresseth it of his unjust proceedings against the Quakers These are therefore to acquaint Thee that we have desired Tho. Hicks to give us a publick meeting that we might hear his Answer both with respect to those Doctrines and matters of Fact which he in his Dialogues hath laid to the Quakers charge At which meeting thy self with some others of thy friends are expected to be present And we do also entreat and expect from you that as you have in Print accused him of Forgery and lying so you would suffer him withou interruption to make his own defence otherwise we shall not be able to give Judgement whether he hath wronged you or not William Kissen Han. Knollys Tho. Paul Lawrence Wise Henry Forty James Jones London 15 th of August 1674. The meeting will be on the 28 th instant at Mr. Gosnels meeting-place in Barbican at two of the Clock in the Afternoon This Letter was sealed and directed to William Pen at his house at Rickmansworth or elsewhere and left with Phillip Ford for conveyance Who presumed to break open the letter and accordingly returned this Answer to the persons before named Yesterday I received a Letter from you directed to William Pen concerning a meeting to be the 28th instant at which you say you expect him This serves onely to give you notice that he was gone into the East of England about three weeks agoe and when his return will be I know not neither doe I know how to give him notice hereof and therefore I do not see that he is likely to be there except you had been pleased to have appointed a time when he was in the City or so near that he might have had timely notice of your intentions If this be designedly done it is not fair but if not the debate must be suspended till a time in which the parties concerned with you by mutual consent agree upon a time This I thought good to let you know and do judge you ought to let others know it that so vain boasting may be prevented as much as in us lyeth which is all

greater Authority as any Chapter in the Bible To which his Answer is That which was spoken from the Spirit of Truth in any is of as great Authority as the Scriptures and Chapters are and greater G. VVhithead Serious Apol. pag. 49. Charge 7. 7. That is no command from God to me which God hath given by way of command to another Neither did any of the Saints Act by the command which was to another Every one obeyed their own command See Dial. 2. pag. 59. I prove this That is no Command from God to me which he Commands to another Neither did any of the Saints we read of in Scripture Act by the Command which was to another c. They obeyed every one their own Command And thou J. Turner or any other who goes to Duty as you call it by Immitation from the Letter without which were Commands to others in your own VVills and Time your Sacrifice is not accepted but is an Abomination to the Lord. Edw. Burroughs works pag. 47. You take up a Command from the Letter and Imitate the Apostles in that Mind and Nature which in the Apostles was Crucified and you say Christ Commands it when the Letter doth but declare it you say in such a verse of such a Chapter Such a Command is not having received the Command by the same Spirit Here you are proved to be them which use their Tongues and say He saith it when God hath not spoken to you but as you read it without you As the False Prophets may do the words of the true Prophets And thus you are in the VVitchcraft Edw. Burroughs works pag. 105. These words Edw. Bur. gave out as he himself saith by Order and Authority given to him by the Spirit of the Living God the 31 th day of the 10 th Month in the year of the worlds Account 1655. about the 4 th hour in the Morning when he was upon his Bed in Kilkenny City in the Nation of Ireand Given under my hand and Sealed by the Spirit of the Eternal God who lives for ever through a Servant of the Lord. Edw. B. see his works pag. 96. Charge 8. 8. That Justification by that Righteousness which Christ fulfilled for us wholly without us is a Doctrine of Divels Dial. 1. pag. 38. Proved And indeed this we deny viz. Justification by the Righteousness which Christ fulfilled in his own Person for us wholly without us And boldly affirm it in the Name of the Lord to be a Doctrine of Divels and an Arm of the Sea of Corruption which doth now Deluge the world VVill. Pen Serious Apol. pag. 148. Charge 9. 9. That the Quakers hold Justification by works See Dial. 3. pag. 2. And I now add by works in the strictest Notion Proved God accepts not any where there is any failing Or who do not fulfill the Law and Answer every Demand of Justice Edw. Burroughs works pag. 33. In answer to the 14 th Query VVas not Abraham Justified by works VVe must not conceive that his Personal-Offering was not a Justifying-righteousness But that God was pleased to count it so Nor was there any Imputation of anothers Righteousness to Abraham but on the contrary His personal Obedience was the ground of that just Imputation Therefore that any should be Justified by anothers Righteousness Imputed and not Inherent in him is both Ridiculous and Dangerous VVill. Pen Reas against Rayl pag. 80. Charge 10. 10. That Christ fulfilled the the Law only as our pattern See Dial. 2. pag. 52. Compared with Sand Foundation p. 26. Will. Pen. If he can find the word Only there Or such an Answer to such a Question or the Matter strictly contained in that Question he hath not wronged me But sure I am there is no such Question and as sure The fulfilling of the Law was not the subject Treated on And very certain the word Only was not there Therefore a Forger c. Will. Pen Reas against Rayl pag. 78. Tho. Hicks Let the Book and Page referred to by me be read and then Judge whether Will. Pen was advised thus to answer For not the Hearers of the Law are just before God but the Doers of the Law shall be justified Rom. 2.13 From whence saith Will. Pen how unanswerably may I observe unless we become doers of that Law which Christ came not to destroy but as our Example to fulfil we can never be Justified before God Nor let any Fancy that Christ hath so fulfilled it for them as to exclude their Obedience from being requisite to their acceptance but Only as their Pattern VVill. Pen. Sand. Found p. 26. Judge now whether the Law was Treated on or whether the word Only be there Both which Will. Pen you hear denies Again let it be noted That this very Argument is Printed in Will. Pens Reas against Rayl pag. 94 95. VVhereby you may be ascertained that he had his Sandy Found by him when he charg'd my Citation from it with Forgery Charge 11. 11. That the Doctrine of Christs satisfaction is Irreligious and Irrational Proof That this is true see Sand. Found p. 22. Where Will. Pen speaks thus Consequences that is from this Doctrine Irreligious and Irrational and concludes one of his Consequences thus O the Infamous Portraiture this Doctrine draws of the Infinite Goodness Is this your Retribution O Injurious Satisfactionists Thus VVill Pen. Charge 12. 12. That this Body which dies shall not Rise again Proof G. VVhithead asserted in the hearing of many Witnesses That this Body shall not rise again Such a Resurrection is Inconsistent with Scripture Reason and the Belief of all men right in their wits VVill. Pen Reas against Rayl pag. 133. For shame let us never make so much stir against the Doctrine of Transubstantiation For the absurdity of that is rather out-done than equalled by this Carnal Resurrection VVill. Pen. Ibid. p. 134. The Change which shall be is not of Accidents but of Bodies VVill. Pen. Ibid. p. 136. and in p. 138. He calls it a Barbarous Conceit From our denying the Resurrection of the Natural and Corruptible Body c. Will. Pen. counterfeit Chr. p. 32. I hope you are satisfied that I have not in any of these 12 Particulars either Mischarged or wronged the Quakers But If any should Question the Authority of the Books which I have Cited I desire That VVill. Pens Reas against Rayl p. 185 186. may be read VVe shall saith VVill. Pen among the many Books writ by us in general in Defence of our VVay we profess lay these few upon the Heads of our several Adversaries as containing much of what can be said in behalf of our Principle and Practices viz. 1. Priests and Professors Principles That is the Book Intitled The Gr. Myst by G. Fox 2. Edw. Burroughs his VVorks 3. Divinity of Christ by G. VVhithead 4. Immediate Revelation by G. Keith 5. Serious Apologie by G. Whithead and Will. Pen. 6. Christ Ascended by G. Whithead 7. The

Spirit of Truth Vindicated by W. Pen. These with our present Discourse that is Reason against Rayl Let them Answer Thus W. Pen. 2. Head or Matters of Practice That it concerns them to render their Adversaries as Ridiculous as they can and to make their Friends believe they do nothing but contradict themselves And if this fail to Insinuate by way of Question something that may be a Slander to them See his Dial. 1. pag. 72. VVill. Pen. This is a Forgery O horrible Impiety God our God Vindicate our Innocency from these Hillish Slanders Reas against Rayl pag. 138. 161. Were we what he Represents us to be in this very Matter the severest Plagues and Judgments of the Eternal God we might justly expect to be our Portion Ibid. pag. 4. Tho. Hicks Whether I have wrong'd them or not in giving such an Answer in their Names Let these Quotations be Read and Considered Our Ignorance of his Name deprives us of that Scope which we might otherwise have for producing perhaps as large a Catalogue of Doctrinal Mistakes in what he himself or those to whom he adheres have writ Perhaps also he was afraid of such Truth as may be seasonably told of him to the Discrediting of his Enterprise Thus Will Pen in answer to the Author of the Spirit of the Quakers tried Spirit of truth Vind. pag. 6. G. Whitehead in his Answer to Mr. Danson Insinuates a Slander upon him by way of Question He saith Whitehead stiles himself sometimes Minister of the Gospel at Sandwich But is not rather that Report of him true that there he was given to Gaming Bowls and Ninepins c. See Divinity of Christ written by G. Whitehead pag. 49. This Question was put by G. Whitehead not because Mr. Danson was guilty but meerly to Slander him will appear from what Will. Pen says in his Apology for his Friend Whitehead in this very thing Who knows not saith Pen That the Priests give themselves a Liberty of more than that What Game almost do they scruple to play at And if G. Whitehead to detect the Priest since others gave themselves that Loose did therefore make that Query Must it therefore be taken for granted that he concluded him such Spir. of truth Vind. page 137. Hear the Complaint of another who very well knows the Temper and Practices of the Quakers If any persons saith he Write or Speak their Grief that is at the Quakers Miscarriages that the Publick take notice of it they will Represent them under such Terms as may render them Odious And the more Effectually to weaken their Testimonies they will Fix upon them Scurrilous and contemptible Appellations And to prevent any Inquisition into the truth of the Matter they would make People believe that they are Envious Malicious Dirty Factious and Ranting Spirits Spir. of the Hat pag. 36 37. 2. I accuse the Quakers for calling such as ask them Questions Reprobates And saying they are in the Sorcery and Witchcraft VVill. Pen. This is a great Lye Reas against Rayl pag. 154 156. Tho. Hicks Be pleased to read Edw. Burroughs his Answers to Twenty serious Questions and you will find that which is sufficient to clear me from Lying His words are these Thou Reprobate and child of darkness the Light condemns thee and thy Generation eternally We witness thee to be in the Sorcery and Witchcraft Thou art Darkness it self Thou Dragon thy Queries are Conjured in the Black-art out of the bottomless Pit Thou Diviner we witness thee to be the Beast which wars with the Lamb Thou Antichrist which looks at Christs Death at Jerusalem alone Thou art seen with the Light and with it condemned for ever Thou blind Pharisee and Blasphemer Thou Jesuite art pleading for a Christ afar off thee Thou art under the Wo and from that Wo thou shalt never flee Let all People see whether thou be not a blind Ignorant Sot Here thou Repliest thy Sottish Queries concerning the Body of Jesus as the Devil did about the body of Moses Thou disobedient one upon whom God will render Vengeance in flaming Fire Thou art accursed Thou Beast to whom the Plagues of God are due upon whom the wrath of God must be accomplished Thou art shut out from God for ever Thou blind Hypocrite Thou Cain Thou full of Subtilty VVith the Light thou art seen and with the Life thou art Judged and Condemned Thou dead Beast thou art unredeemed from thy vain conversation and so art not Justified nor never shalt be Stop thy Mouth thou Sorcerer The same that justifies us shall condemn thee Eternally The manner of Christs being in the Saints thou knowest not who art a Reprobate and shalt find him to thy Eternal Condemnation O thou dark Beast and Conjurer Querying with thy conjured words Thou Blasphemer thou Serpent thou dark Sottish Beast c. † Ed. Burroughs blessed God that had discovered the Querist saying thy Queries are answered lovingly and plainly in Scripture Language and Terms Ibid. p. 34. Edw. Burroughs's works pag. 29. to 34. 3. That VVill. Pen by the sence of the Eternal Spirit doth declare That those Cursing Railing and Lying Answers of Edw. Burroughs were the only fit Answers to the Priests Trappaning Questions See Dial. 3. pag. 80. Will. Pen. Oh ungodly Slander the Lord rebuke thy Foul spirit Counterfeit Christ pag. 44. Tho. Hicks These are William Pens words with respect to the Answers Edw. Burroughs gave to the 20 Questions before hinted I warrant it saith Pen from God and by the sence of his Eternal Spirit do declare That it was the Portion and only fit answer to be given to those Trappaning questions † O horrid Excuse of such Raylings which is far worse than the Answers given And had Edw. Burroughs gone into a Familiar opening unto his Vulterous Unclean Serpentine Eye all the deep things of the Spirit of God and Mysteries of Holy Kingdom who was in that Nature that Crucified the Lord of them Edw. Burroughs had brought the wrath of the Eternal God upon himself instead of the Priest Will. Pen Reas against Rayl pag. 164. 4. Another Evil I accuse them of is Preferring their Pamphlets before the Bible This was proved from the Titles they give to their own books and the Titles they give to the Scripture viz. The Voice of Wisdom Breathings of true Love Shield of Truth A Spiritual Glass Light risen out of Darkness These are the Titles given to several of their books But the Scriptures are called Letter Dead Letter Paper Ink and Writing Carnal Letter c. 'T is easie to judge by these Titles to which the preference is given 5. They bid people follow the Light within and if they do not they load them with bitter Revilings Will. Pen calls this a great Lye Reas against Rayl pag. 154. 156. VVhereas the truth of this is so notorious that it needs no proof Witness their Railings at such that in Conscience oppose them and their Errors 6. They say