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A47144 A Farther account of the great divisions among the Quakers in Pensilvania, &c. as appears by another of their books lately come over from thence, intituled, Some reasons and causes of the late separation, that hath come to pass at Philadelphia, betwixt us, called by some of the seperate meeting, and others that meet apart from us : more particularly opened, to vindicate and clear us and our testimony in that repsect, viz. : that the seperation lieth at their door, and they, and not we, are justly chargeable with it : with an apology for the present publication of these things. Budd, Thomas, 1648-1699.; Furnis, Henry.; Keith, George, 1639?-1716. 1693 (1693) Wing K166; ESTC R16901 19,794 24

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Adjourned than hath been at many Monthly Meetings here that have been approved And a 4th Reason was That the matter of Difference being a matter of Doctrine and betwixt Friends of the Ministry a Monthly Meeting could not be proper Judges of it To this it was answered That the Difference being a matter of Fact and not a matter of Doctrine that could be called in Question by any Judicious Christian and the Accusation being made to the Monthly Meeting they were proper Judges of it and if the Difference had been a matter of Doctrine we did and do assert That the Monthly Meeting to wit consisting of a considerable Number of Friends of the Ministry and other Judicious Friends were proper Jueges of it but to lodge the Judgment wholly in Friends of the Ministry and to deny all other Friends to have a share in the Judgment even when the Difference is in a Matter of Doctrine we judge is an Encroachment upon our Christian Liberty and savours too much of the Church of Rome as also that other case pressed too indiscreetly at the Quarterly Meeting when some that were known to be Parties against G. K. did require of him his Submission to the Judgment of the Meeting he answered as we judge soberly and Christianly That he would submit to the Judgment of the Spirit of Truth in Friends but to give an absolute Submission he could not to any Society of Men whatsoever for absolute Submission implyeth absolute Infallibility that no Society of Men pretendeth unto but the Church of Rome and therefore to introduce it among us would be Rank Popery at which some prejudiced against G. K. were greatly dissatisfied and one took out his Pocket Book and writ down some words of G. K. to that effect before he had finished the full Sentence which we judge was very unfair as well as unusual But whereas some from this would infer as if G. K. denied any positive Power of Judgment to a true Church or Meeting of true Christians met together in the Name of Christ where he is present in the midst of them G. K. gave no Ground for any such inference for he doth readily grant That a true Christian Assembly hath a positive Power of Judgment when met together in his Name and that he is present in the midst of them and is felt and witnessed to guide them in true Judgment But we all know that it is possible at times that Partiality ond Prejudice and Annimosities may prevail in Meetings that may pretend to meet in the Name of Christ and also to have him present in the midst of them and yet where such things prevail Christ is not in the midst known to give true Judgment or to guide Men to give it as Friends Letter to us from London expresly declareth And therefore we judge That no absolute Submission should be required of any Member to the Judgment of that Society he belongeth unto in a matter of Truth or Christian Doctrine or wherein the Conscience is concerned for it is time enough to submit to the Judgment of Brethren when a Man hath heard it and has brought it to the Ballance and Test of that which giveth true Judgment in every Particular that is in a quallified Frame to understand it even as Christ said As I hear I judge John 5.30 And if any be stiff and Refractory to the true Judgment of the Christian Society he belongeth unto they may freely proceed to put into Practice Gospel Discipline against him without requiring his Submission as it is in Worldly Judicatories But if any say At least it was yielded in the Quarterly Meeting that the Adjourned Meeting in the School-house was a true Meeting but an Appeal was made from that Monthly Meeting to the Quarterly Meeting and the Quarterly Meeting offering to give a new Judgment in the Case and in order thereto ordered G. K. to withdraw he refusing so to do hindered that no Judgment could be given But to this it was and is answered That there could be no Appeal from that Monthly Meeting to the Quarterly Meeting because most of the Quarterly Meeting did consist of the Friends that gave the Judgment at the Monthly Meeting and such as were over were but a few in comparison except some Country Friends that did not care to meddle in that matter and so to appeal from the Monthly Meeting to the Quarterly Meeting was in effect but to appeal from the Monthly Meeting to a small part or Number of Persons in the Quarterly Meeting the most of which and the most leading Men were known to be prejudiced against G. K. and Parties against him and G. K. did offer very fairly in naming Seven or Eight Persons that we know were his opposite Parties and had been mainly Instrumental at former Meetings about a Year ago and at the time of the Year●y Meeting to hinder Justice to be done and true Judgment to be past concerning bringing W. S. to Conviction and Condemnation of his Error That if they would go out he would go out also but they who were his manifest opposite Parties and had manifestly appeared from time to time to excuse and defend VV S. and blame G. K. for his sound Christian Doctrin that he hath Preached among us refusing to go sorth we are satisfied G. K. did well not to go forth so as to submit to the Judgment of these Men who had sufficiently shown their Partiality against him and some of which had unjustly accused him as can be well proved Besides things being duly considered there was no reason that G. K. should have gone sorth either at that Meeting or any other for G. K. was no otherwise concerned in that Difference with W. S. and T. F. than all faithful Friends and the whole Meeting ought to have been concerned to wit to defend one of the greatest Principles of the Christian Faith viz. That the Man Christ Jesus who was Crucified did rise from the Dead and is now in being And that Faith in him is necessary to make Men true Christians And therefore not G. K. alone nor principally but Christ himself and all his faithful Followers are concerned in the same and in none of these Meetings was any Charge of any Trespass proved against G. K. nor so much as brought under the Consideration of the Body of the Meeting only one or two particular Persons falsly accused him but the thing was never brought to any due Tryal And here let it be noted That both the Meeting of Friends of the Ministry at R. E.'s refusing to answer G. K's Complaint against the dishonour done to Christ Jesus that W. S. was guilty of so as to bring him to any Conviction or Condemnation of his Error and also the Meetings at the House of S. C. and A. M. at the time of the Yearly Metting wholly neglecting to bring the said W. S. to Conviction and Condemnation of his Error altho' at the last of six Meetings it
Judgments only one or two signifying their not throughly understanding the Case declared their unclearness but said nothing against it the true Copy whereof doth also hereafter follow And this Judgment also given by the Meeting being refused by a Party in the Quarterly Meeting to let it be entred in the Monthly Meeting Book gave us just Offence because in so doing they refused us to be a Monthly Meeting and denied our Judgments which we are perswaded in our Consciences by the Spirit of Truth was a just Judgment concerning these Men and we could do no less both for the Peace of our Consciences and the honour of Christ Jesus and also for the Credit of our Profession in all parts of the World where such a Profession is made than to give such a Judgment concerning these Men. Note That G. K. had no hand in giving Judgment concerning th●se Persons and Matters but was wholly passive he being the Person accused And also No●e That they which refused our Judgments were present at the said Monthly Meeting but when they perceived things to go contrary to th●ir Mind they with-drew Another thing wherein the said Party both in the Quarterly and Monthly M●●●ing gave us Offence was That whereas great Opposition had been made by them against a late printed Book entituled The Christian Faith of the People of God called Quakers in Rhode Island vindicated c. several Friends presented to this Meeting a Paper desiring the Meeting to be cautious not to oppose the Rhode-Island Friends Testimony to the Truth whereupon after having read and duely considered the said Rhode-Island Sheet Judgment was given by us approving it and VV. B. for Printing it but this also was refused by them to be recorded in the Monthly Meeting Book wherein they have given a Three-fold Instance that they have denied us to be a Meeting A Practice that we never knew before among the People called Quakers that ever such a thing was suffered that one party of a Monthly Meeting should deny their Brethren and leave them and yet afterwards lay claim to them when they themselves made the Separation Here follows a true Copy of the Judgments given at the Monthly Meeting at Philadelphia the 27th Day of the 12 Month 1691 2. which was the Meeting adjourned by consent from the 26th to the 27th day where they met at the School-House as used in cold Seasons WHereas at the last Monthly Meeting Thomas Fitswater openly accused G. Keith with denying the sufficiency of the Light which G. K. denying T. insisted that he could prove the same And coming into this Meeting to prove his Charge brought VV.S. as his Witness whom the Meeting having heard the said T. F. by his own consent left the Matter to the Judgment of this Meeting which they having duly weighed and considered they do unanimously agree and deliver it as their sence That the said T. F. do give forth a Paper of Condemnation of his falsly charging G. K. and to clear the said G. K. of the said Charge As also it is the Sense of this Meeting that the said T. F. do give Satisfaction to the Friends of this Meeting by a Paper of his true Faith and Belief in Christ's Resurrection and as he is now in Heaven in the Glorified Nature of Man which is not the Godhead he having given this Meeting great cause to question his Belief therein and that he forbear offering his Gift by way of Testimony in our publick Meetings until he hath given Friends and G. K. Satisfaction in manner abovesaid Whereas VV. Stockdale having formerly accused G. K. with Preaching Two Christs and the Charge and Matter having been fully Debated at the last Yearly Meeting before publick Friends and others who did deliver it as their Sense and Judgment That the said W. S. had abused G. K. thereby and that G. K. 's Doctrine was right and true in his Preaching Faith in Christ within and Faith in Christ without and the said VV. S. having never given any Satisfaction but at this Monthly Meeting did say That what he had formerly said in his Charge against G. K. he did yet stand by and justifie The Friends of this Meeting do deliver it as their Sense and Judgment That the said W. S. should condemn his Unrighteous Charge publickly by giving forth a Paper of Condemnation for his so doing and that he desist offering his Gift by way of Testimony till he hath so done There being a Paper presented to this Meeting Signed by several Friends in relation to the Rhode-Island Paper entituled The Christian Faith c. recommending the Service of the said Paper c. whereupon the said Paper being read in this Meeting the Friends thereof do unanimously agree and give it as their Sense and Judgment That the said Paper is for the general Good and Service of Truth and Friends in this Country and elsewhere and that it came forth very seasonably for the Vindication of Truth and Friends and the W. B. ought not to be blamed nor discouraged for Printing the same Signed by Order of the Meeting by J. W. The Names of some of the Friends that gave the aforesaid Judgments at the said Monthly Meeting the 27th of the 12 Mon. 1691. George Hutcheson Paul Saunders John Lynam Ralph Jackson Phillip James Richard Hillyard Anthony Sturges Thomas Peart Thomas Tress John Lostus William Harwood James Chick Thomas Morris John M Comb John Hutchins James Cooper Thomas Winn John Hart Anthony Taylor Abel Noble Nicholas Pearce John Furnis John Redman John Williams Ralph Ward William Dyllwin John Duploveys John Budd William Bradford William Paschall Joseph Willc●x Thomas Budd Thomas Hooton Thomas Paschall Humphrey Hodges Henry Furnis Robert Wallis Thomas Jenner William Davis Francis Cook Henry Johnson Joseph Walker Hugh Derborough William Say William Hard But that it may appear how weak and insufficient the Reasons are that were given by the said Party at the Quarterly Meeting why we were no Meeting we think sit to give an Account of them with our Answers to them One Reason was That a Monthly Meeting could not Adjourn and there was no President for it But to this the Clerk of the Meeting answered That he had Minu●es to sh●w a Monthly Meeting had formerly Adjourned and why could not a Monthly Meeting upon a weighty occasion Adjourn as well as any other Meeting Another Reason was That the Clerk and the Monthly Meeting Book was gone But to this it was answered The Monthly Meeting could make or conslitute a Clerk as other Meetings have done for it is the Meeting that makes the Clerk and it is not the Clerk that makes the Meeting A third Reason was There are few of the Friends of the Ministry or Elder Friends and Brethren that were present at the Adourning or at the Meeting Adjourned To this it was answered That there were more both Friends of the Ministry and Elder Friends and Brethren at that Meeting that did Adjourn and met when