shew any the least Scripture that so much as tendeth to such a doctrine nor his spirit neither But these evading shifting reviling answers in stead of rationall and proper answers doe clearely hould forth his conviction and obstinance against the light it selfe concerning this maine point so much controverted I shall therefore follow him to some other point to wit hee telleth mee pag. 15. that I aske in what part of Scripture is the Gospell called the letter or the preaching of faith the preaching of the letter I say thou shouldst aske thy selfe this question who would make the letter the Gospell and the preaching of faith litterall which I say are both spirituall and spiritually preached And I aske thee againe where did ever I call the Gospell letter or the preaching of faith letter and so take thy challenge backe againe To which I answer that I tould him that I finde it in a little booke written by Thomas Polard in answer to Richard Farnworth that they call the Scriptures carnall and a dead letter and say it will never bring a man to the knowledge of God but that all that is gotten from the Scripture is but braine knowledge And that I finde in a booke of Naylors against Thomas Moore how hee answereth this to wit being asked by Moore whether the writing of the Prophets and Apostles be a dead letter hee answereth that without the Spirit it is see in my booke pag. 4th And it is cleare in the 12 page of this his answer where hee saith speaking of the Devill that hee would keepe in the letter but from the spirit of which the letter declares And saith also to us and the rest of the world you have long counted the Scriptures to be the word of God but the Devills kingdome is standing still in the heart and so must be till there be account of the word that is nearer then the letter From all which expressions it is cleare that that which wee call the Scriptures hee calleth the letter and a dead letter Now wee call the contents of the Bible both the old and new Testament the holy Scriptures and so hee will not deny but they are Now these Scriptures hee owneth but as carnall and a dead letter wee call them spirituall and the words of God Therefore hee calleth all the Scriptures the letter And the Gospell being contained in the Scriptures which is glad tydings and good newes that shall be to all people the which was therefore called the Gospell And it was written for our learning that wee through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope the which Gospell was also preached from the beginning yea even to Adam and Eve that they might have hope and comfort thereby to wit that the seede of the woman should breake the Serpents head And wee shall not deny that the Gospell is spirituall and so is the Law also But wee must not deny but both this Law and Gospell are written for our learning And if they be written it must needs be legible to us or it will not serve for our learning if wee want it for the present and have it not written in our hearts for if faith come by hearing and so by reading as so it doth sometimes then it entereth first by the eare to wit by hearing or else by the eye to wit by reading And if wee cannot reade what is written in the hearts of one another not being omnitient but by hearing them speake or seeing them act or reading an expresse of their minds in writing how can wee learne what is the minde and will of the Lord from that which is written if it be not legible and that in letters Suppose us as ignorant for the present not having either Law or Gospell as yet in our hearts how shall wee beleeve in him in whom wee have not heard Implying that it is not a thing to be expected that all should have it by Immediate inspiration but by the hearing of it preached which is the ordinarie meanes whereby the Lord conveyeth it to the soule as hath been shewed before and that from Scripture grounds Now that which hee calls the letter wee call the Scripture and so it is for it was written and is therefore Scripture because written yet wee dare not call it a dead letter but lively Oracles a spirituall word a word in which there is spirit and life to such as beleeve and receive them in love yea wee doe call the Scripture the word of God And doe but aske James Naylor what else that is which is called by the Apostle the sword of the Spirit which is the word of God If it be not the Scripture yea that which is written in the Bible which hee calleth the letter see Eph. 6.17 Aske him I say whether this sword of the spirit which the Apostle calleth the word of God be meant of Christ who is the essentiall word and who is the spirit or it be meant of the Scriptures which are the expresse word of God and so as a sword or weapon in the hand of the spirit both defensive and offensive against our adversaries upon all occations yea Christ himselfe used it against the Devill when hee tempted him and against the Scribes and Pharisees and that as the best and fittest weapon to incounter them with But if this sword of the spirit be not the spirit it selfe but the sword or instrument in the hand of the spirit and yet is called the word of God Then it is not blasphemy but good Scripture language to call the Scripture the word of God but the blasphemy is theires who call it carnall and a dead letter as hath more largely been shewed before in this Treatise Now in these expressions of James Naylor hee denyeth to call any thing Gospell but the spirit or any thing Scripture but the spirit or any thing the word of God but the spirit And so the Scripture with him and the glad tidings of the Gospell contained therein must of necessitie either be called the spirit and so also God or but a dead letter and not the word of God and so not the sword of the spirit wherein how clearely contradicteth himselfe and his owne confessions as hath been shewed before and also the plaine expresse Scripture as any Rationall man may easily perceive that will but reade and consider so that his conviction is cleare from his owne confessions concerning these two maine points of his doctrine which I may well call the maine substance of that Gospell which hee preacheth and of all his bookes which hee writeth namely to teach us to eye that spirit and word and light within and desert the Scriptures and the teachings of men as a dead and vaine and fruitlesse meanes for leading into and guiding in all the wayes of God c. The which Gospell I now leave to the Judgements of all that are truely Judicious whether it be not another Gospell then the Gospell of
obey such particular Scriptures as he bringeth to their minds and applyeth and wresteth for his owne ends The Devill never bringeth Scriptures but to deceive thereby alwayes wresting them from their genuine sense and proper meanings as James Naylor might see if he were not blinde or had not sould himselfe for the Devills service And againe whereas he saith that one may have the letter of Scripture and not have the word and that the letter without the Spirit is dead page 4. I answer as before that the letter of the Scripture is the word of God though it is not Christ And that the letter of the Scripture is no where in Scripture called a dead letter but it is words of spirit and life to them that beleeve and receive them in love nor is the Spirit of God at any time withdrawne from his owne words nor doe they returne voyde but alwayes accomplish what he pleaseth and doe that for which he sent them And it is not the Resisting of his Word or Spirit nor both joyntly that can disparage the validitie thereof whether it be set home by the finger of his Spirit or that mens hardned hearts still remaine obdurate Nor will James Naylors Directorie to a light within be effectuall to any for the saving of their soules that doe not beleeve the Scriptures and receive them in love but have pleasure in unrighteousnesse but will rather indanger them to be deluded with a lying spirit and acted by it in stead of the Spirit of God and to be carried blind-fold to their greater sinne and condemnation And therefore what is that to the matter though Satan have the Scripture and have no good by it there being no promise therein for him or what if James Naylor hath it and finde no life in it but a meere dead letter in his apprehension in regard hee wresteth it and doth not love it and therefore cannot afford it so much as a good word having an enmitie against it not caring much if it were all burnt as it is very likely because it condemneth him in something or other that he loveth or desireth and will not part with in obedience thereunto but will rather runne the hazzard of loosing all or he will disparage and make voyde the Scripture that hath touched him Nay hee seemeth to mee rather to preferre his owne words and his owne writings above any in Scripture commending his owne as words that proceed immediately from the eternall Spirit full of life and power but the Scriptures carnall and dead and vaine yea vaine hee accounteth them to such who have not the Spirit already Though he cannot but know they are appointed of God as the cheife meanes for ministration of the Spirit and of life and power for what life and power can be communicated or administred to any man by ministration of men but from Scripture-grounds and those pretious promises therein contained through Christ Jesus in whom all the promises are yea and Amen and through whom onely wee have interest in them being all finners and so excluded from life as well as the Devill were it not for him that hath merited our salvation And therefore what a devillish doctrine is this to dehort all men from reading the Scriptures till they first obtaine the Spirit of God What other end can this doctrine aime at but to keepe them still under a spirit of bondage as sure there are none that are set free and have the spirit of life in them through the hearing of faith preached That will owne this doctrine to be of God but a doctrine of Devills And againe hee telleth mee that hee might shew my blindnesse in all other Scriptures that I quote were it needfull as instance that 2 Pet. 1.19 Wee have a more sure word of prophesie to which you doe well to take heed as to a light that shines in a darke place till the day dawne and the day-starre arise in your hearts Now it is true I quoted this Scripture as one amongst the rest against his assertion in his answers to Baxter to wit that the Scripture houlds out but one light and word the which I there denyed and proved it first from Mat. 5.14 16. To wit Yee are the light of the world and John 5.35 that John was a burning and a shining light and Psal 119.130 The entrance of thy words giveth light it giveth understanding unto the simple and then this of Peter Upon which I say that I suppose James Naylor will not acknowledge that he ever received any light from that sure word of prophesie as from a light shining in a darke place but onely some little braine knowledge of the bare letter else hee would not so reproach and disparage those that doe take heed to the sure word of prophesie till they be inlightned thereby in what they were darke and did not understand Now to all that I say in these words hee answereth not at all by way of contradiction but doth as much as confesse that hee was mistaken nor can hee possibly make that his assertion good against these Scriptures But hee heere undertakes to shew my blindnesse in quoting this Scripture to this purpose before-named to wit And this saith he you would have to be the letter of the old Prophets which shines in a darke place And so saith hee by thy doctrine the letter of the old Testament and in a darke place too is a surer word then what Peter heard God himselfe speake and were eye witnesses of his Majestie And this is all thou knowest of the spirit of prophesie the testimony of Jesus or the Scriptures that declare it To which I answer that I appeale to the Judgements and Consciences of all that know any thing of the spirit of prophesie or the testimonie of Jesus or the Scriptures that declare it Whether the Apostle doth not meane it of the old Prophesies of the old Testament when he thus speaketh yea I say the letter hee meant when hee so adviseth them and not the spirit onely of which the letter declares for the letter declares of the spirit and the spirit is the author and opener of the letter and that by the letter as an instrumentall meanes comparing Scripture with Scripture and spirituall things with spirituall things The Prophet Daniel himselfe understood by booke that the time of their captivitie was accomplished And James the Apostle produced the words of the Prophet Amos to Resolve that great doubt and difference amongst them Act. 15.15 To wit And to this agree the words of the Prophet as it is written c. Observe as it is written and so he Recites the very written letter for he knew by the letter what the words of the Prophet were because they were written And how else should wee have knowne the words of the Prophets if they had not been written and wee had seene or heard them read or recited those Prophets themselves being dead long since were they not written
Christ yea or no see Gala 1.8 And if hee doth not repent his Judgement is passed already by the spirit of truth who cannot lye And then againe hee beginneth to charge mee for pleading for Reverent gestures to worship God in as well as in spirit The which I confesse I did For page 27. I asked where it is said in Scripture that God is not to be worshipped with reverend gestures of the body as well as in spirit and truth To which hee answereth And whereas thou art pleading for reverend gestures to worship God in as well as in spirit I say in at that doore came your Altars your bowings your surplices and conformities wherein the teachers of this Nation was leading back to Rome the mother of these witchcrafts if God had not stopt the way by his hand And now have you got a little peace and thither are you turning againe even in bloody persecuting against all who witnesse against you who testifies against these false wayes c. To which I answer that for ought I know there is no man enforced to worship either with Reverend gestures or without nor any man persecuted or troubled for any such things by any of the powers of this Nation And therefore this is a lye and a slander against those in Authoritie as is well knowne I need not proove it But I onely asked whether the Scripture forbid Reverend gestures of the body as well as in spirit and truth To which he doth not answer properly but sheweth his dislike thereof and that they testifie against such false wayes and gestures set up by the man of sinne In which he clearely condemneth the practice of Christ himselfe Luk. 22.41 And of Poter Act. 9.40 And of Paul Chap. 20.36 Chap. 21.5 Eph. 3.14 And of Daniell Dan. 6.11 And of Solomon 1 Kings 8.54 and 2 Chron. 6.13 And that as unlawfull and the pleading for the lawfullnesse of it an opening of a doore to Altars and bowings Surplices and conformities c. and a making way for an unparalelld persecution and a hasting on to destruction which he sees saith he to be the end of our Reverend gestures And saith he will not the gestures of the Saints serve your worship that which lookes so much out neglects that within so you plead against the Spirit Oh prophane and ungodly spirits It is not enough with them to slander the Magistrates and all that are in authoritie but they will slander the footsteps of the Lords anoynted even the Lord Jesus himselfe and all his anoynted ones from the beginning of the world who have all practised such Reverend gestures in their worshipping of God And then he saith will not the gestures of the Saints serve your worship Oh damnable hypocrisie are they Saints that reproach the practise and footsteps of the Lords anoynted see Psal 89.51 see whose enemies they are And doe they not therein Reproach the footsteps and wayes and gestures of all the Saints that ever lived on the earth And yet they will call themselves Saints as so alwayes did the Popes and Papists that were Devills incarnate and as absolute enemies to the Saints of God and so by consequence to the Lord himselfe as any in the world But for all his scornes it is the practise of the Saints that will serve our worships and all the Saints gestures that were Saints indeed wee cordially approve and account it lawfull to follow their stepps as occasion requires But as for the gestures of Saint James Naylor nor these his doctrines and slanders they will not serve our worships to approve or practise because the Spirit of truth and holines Ingageth us otherwise wee are naturally ingaged by the Spirit of God out of Reverend Respect to his glorious Majestie to serve him with Reverence and godly feare knowing that hee that is our God is a consuming fire see Heb 12.28 29. But if hee that privily slandereth his neighbour shall be cut off see Psal 101.5 Of how much sorer punishment shall hee be counted worthy that slandereth and Reproacheth even the sonne of God and his Reverend gestures in his prayers unto God Can this be any lesse then cleare despite unto the spirit of grace see Heb 10.29 It is a fearefull thing to fall into the hands of the living God see verse 31. It is no strange thing to mee to reade his scornes and reproaches and slanders and censures that in all his bookes hee houldeth forth and fumeth out most bitterly and maliciously against others or my selfe considering his fullnesse of venome and malice cannot be kept in but must burst forth like filthy vomit against the Lord of glory as in this appeares I shall not therefore much care nor take any great notice what hee saith by mee but shall as breifly as possible answer his maine points and referre the Reader to the bookes themselves for Resolution where the wickednesse lyeth for I desire no more but that they reade them both and then let them Judge Againe Pag. 15. hee falleth to worke about the Ministers which is the third maine head saying Thy third thing is for thy maintenance and for thy Ministerie I answer as for my maintenance there is not one word in all my booke as the Reader may see and that hee maketh lyes his Refuge when hee hath nothing to answer that is like the truth And as for Ministers maintenance and for the poore I have pleaded it and prooved it also and that from divers grounds and arguments from Scripture yea and Gospell foundations such as James Naylor never heard before nor have they been published before that I know off either by word or writing as I said in my Epistle the which hee calleth boasting but doth not nor cannot make it appeare to the contrary in the least neither can hee contradict the truth thereof nor blame them justly by any Rationall or spirituall argument though hee reciteth many of them as though hee intended a confutation but in the end cometh off with a faile perverting both my words and meaning that hee might finde breadth for a Reproofe which are but poore shifts for so eminent a Quaker For saith hee and that thou may get something or make a shew for this Religious worke thou art about and that thou may seeme to be a charitable man as Judas did thou putst in the poore with them but seeing there is as much difference betwixt them and the poore as betwixt Masters and beggers I shall therefore set the poore by themselves concerning whom I say be as liberall to them as thou wilt I answer that for my ends in this hee must not be Judge But for what cause hee should set apart the poore by themselves who were ever joyned together by the Lord himselfe when tithes were commanded they to have part as see And whom God hath joyned together I dare not seperate neither did the Apostles in the primitive times but what was given was distributed to all as
THE CONVICTION Of JAMES NAYLOR and his black spirit demonstrated from his own confessions lyes evasions and contradictions in the maine points of Doctrine by him held forth against the truth In answer to a Book of his called Wickednesse weighed The which was writt in answer to a little Treatise called The Quakers quaking Principles examined and Refuted written by ELLIS BRADSHAVV This Treatise is therefore directed by way of appeale to all the truly Judicious to be weighed in the Ballance of the Sanctuary and to see in which end of the scales the wickednes lyeth his end or mine And also some Rules held forth whereby to try the spirits whether they be of God yea or no in case of visions or apparitions yea dreames or voyces whether speaking within or without As also some Scripture Rules for discerning the motions and lustings of the spirit and flesh each from the other that so wee might not be led blind-fold to destruction by any deluding spirits within us or without Written by ELLIS BRADSHAVVE Acts 13.9 10 11. Then Saul who also is called Paul filled with the holy Ghost sett his eyes on him And said Oh full of all subtiltie and all mischiefe thou child of the Devill thou enemy of all goodnesse how long wilt thou not cease to pervert the right wayes of the Lord And now behold the hand of the Lord is upon thee and thou shalt be blind not seeing the Sunne for a season c. LONDON Printed by M. S. for Lodowike Lloyd at the Castle in Cornwall 1656. THE CONVICTION of JAMES NAYLOR and his black spirit demonstrated from his own confessions lyes evasions and contradictions in the maine points of Doctrine by him held forth against the truth READERS James Naylor asserteth in his Title page concerning my booke that it is dedicated as I say unto his Highnesse the Lord Protector c. The which I say is true but what of that he saith nothing and therefore needeth no answer But further he saith that it is much boasted off by the Author but as little worth as the boast is great I answer I did commend it to ingage his Highnes to the reading of it least his multitude of buisinesse should cause him to neglect it And what of all that doth not James Naylor commend his Doctrines and Teachings and Judgements and Censures and tells us it is by the eternall light and Spirit of God that he holdeth them forth as you may see in any of his Bookes wherein we know he lyeth But it will appeare I therein speake the truth and nothing more And as for the worth of that Treatise when it is weighed in the Ballance of the Sanctuary it will appeare I did not over-value it in my commendations of it but of that let the readers judge Againe he saith also that it was my envie that carried mee with such envie against the innocent till I spake I knew not what concerning the Father and the Sonne the Word the Light and Spirit I answer though he Judge so of me whom in derision he calleth the man yet the truth is I care not to be Judged of James Naylor Nor for ought he knoweth not of mans Judgement But he that Judgeth me is the Lord Nor would I change my condition with James Naylor nor for ought he knoweth not with any man living on the earth And how then can James Naylor know that it was envie that carried me And how can I envie those I account off to be wicked and destinate to destruction for ought I yet see in them that in my apprehension are farre from innocency in the sight of God And how dare I then be envious against them or choose any of their wayes see Psal 37 1. Pro. 23.17 24.1 I shall not envie them till they be more innocent then I yet see them And therefore his censure of mee that I speake I know not what doth not trouble mee at all for I expected no better f om his lying spirit Though he cannot nor doth not in the least prove it so in any of his Answers And why should I beleeve it upon his owne testimony who beginneth with lyes in his Title page Againe hee saith That here is also some markes and maintenance of the true Ministers set downe and also of the false their fruits differing them accoring to Christs Rules in Scripture with diverse other things to keepe the simple from deceite All which when weighed in the ballance let the truth appeare for so I wish of God whether they be or no true or false according to Christs Rule in Scripture yea whether they be in deed to keepe the simple from deceite or clearely and really to deceive the simple and to make them also deceivers of others And againe he telleth us it is by a friend to the worke of God but an enemy to the Devills worke where it is found and pleaded for called of the world James Naylor To this I answer that if this were true what then should be the reason that hee blameth me in his second page for asking Why should not I whiles I am in the world endeavour to destroy the works of the Devill seeing he sayth of himselfe that he is an enemy to the worke of the Devill and if he be so he will labour to destroy it for it is doubtlesse lawfull and a following of Christ as much as in us lyeth to destroy the works of the Devill and none but Devills and their instruments will blame any man for so indeavouring nor call it a setting of himselfe to the stead of Christ for no man can either doe it or indeavour it what in him lyeth but through his grace and assistance and the power of his Spirit as so I never spake otherwise in all my life And he can and will for ought Naylor knoweth enable mee in some measure by his strength to doe it But if I be an exilted wretch and seeke to set my selfe in the stead of Christ as so he calleth mee I know he will not and therefore it is in vaine to indeavour it for hee giveth his grace to the humble And beholdeth the wicked as a farre off and as having no mind to Imploy them in any such service nor any such as are setled in their wickednesse and dare take the office of Christ and attribute it to themselves But the Quakers looke for such amongst themselves they are easily found And it is the Quakers spirit and not the Spirit of God that ever did or shall puffe men up to any such conceits or apprehension of themselves And what James Naylor may conceite of himselfe I well know not For something or other hee would intimate unto us when hee putteth that preamble before his name as in many of his Bookes to wit Called of the world James Naylor Now whether hee would have us thinke that hee is the Christ the sonne of the living God and that Christ that dyed at Jerusalem was
but a type of him as their brother John Toldervie was perswaded by their spirit but was deceived I shall not Judge Or whether hee would Intimate to us that his Name was changed when he was converted and called as Paul by an Immediate voyce of Christ or his Angel Michael at least who is his Representative And that to the Ministerie as so hee writeth of himselfe that he was called to the Ministerie by an Immed are voyce I shall not determine nor doe I much care But if his name was changed I know no reason why he should conceale it but might make it knowne as Paul also did his so that many of the world know how Paul was called But it may be James Naylor is loath to declare it least he should declare the true signification of his name to others not knowing it himselfe for it may be some great Schollers that are better learned then he in that kinde of learning would discover him by it and for whoâ—â— service he was intended and so obstruct his worke who is his Master For if he should be knowne properly by his name hee might possibly be thereby knowne whose servant he is For we reade of a kinde of Locusts Revel 10th a strange kinde of creatures who yet had a King over them who is the Angel of the bottomlesse pit whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon but in the Greeke tongue his name is Apollyon Which is to say a destroyer see vers 11. And so we reade their businesse was no better Now if his new name being interpreted should discover him to be one of these Locusts he might well be avoyded that he could not destroy according to his end and name and nature And therefore it is his pollicie in all likelihood to keepe it secret Now it is evident for all his closenesse and pollicie to hide his designe that if it lyeth in his power or the spirit that acteth him that all the Ministers in the world that allow not his doctrine nor follow his wayes but preach in our old publike meeting places which hee calleth Idoll-Temples and the people also that heare and maintaine them must all be destroyed and come to naught and that in a short time else his spirit deceiveth him yet wee feare not his Prophesies if hee and such Locusts will but hould their hands for wee have a promise they shall onely hurt those men that have not the seale of God upon their foreheads Yet doe but spiritually paralell the case of these people with those Locusts there spoken off and you will certainly conclude there was never any so like them since the Revelation was given forth that we can reade of in Histories But the paralells would swell this Treatise to a great volume And to produce any paralells in opposition unto them is but accounted with them as a vaine piece of worke and not worth answering as I finde by experience For not one paralell that ever I produced against James Naylor is answered by him but he slights them as not worth answering or taking notice off As for instance in this last Treatise I proposed Gal. 5.22 23. to wit the fruit of the Spirit is love joy peace long-suffering gentlenesse goodnesse faith meeknesse temperance against which there is no law Upon which I tould them that I saw not so much as a shew of any of these in them but the quite contrary to wit hatred sadnesse of spirit and countenance no peace with any man no long-suffering but hastie rage no gentlenesse but severe austeritie and imperious bitternes no goodnesse but cleare malignitie against all goodnesse no faith in God but in a lying spirit within them whom they obey and serve and worship as God no meeknesse for they are hastie and angerie and revengefull no temperance in their tongues and pens And therefore every Law of God is against them see this in page 59. But this he doth not answer at all but when he hath made a Catalogue of such things as he calleth lyes in my booke he saith Many more such might be gathered out of this little Treatise confessing it hath much in it of such stuffe fit for the fire yet he warneth mee that I shall not conclude that he owned the Rest which he did not mention saying that many more untruths are in my booke not worth naming nor answering So that this I suppose is one that he meant But I rather beleeve that hee durst not mention them having no ground at all for contradiction of them And least it should be a meanes to undeceive the simple and let them see themselves and at what a great distance that spirit in them is from the spirit of God which are best discerned by their different fruits And few of the Quakers but they buy his bookes though they regard not others for the most of his bookes are bought up by the Quakers and so take the busines as he represents it as though there were nothing valuable in any against them but what he specifieth and so he deludeth the poore simple soules and keepeth them blind Reciting part of a sentence and concealing the Rest to make it untrue to their apprehensions like a Jugling Cheater as so he hath done in some parts of this his answer which I hope to discover and his Ignominious basenes in that respect to render mee a lyar and deceiver and sott c. As so he calleth me without any reall or rationall cause like his blacke father And againe in his title page he citeth a Scripture which being paraleld with their blasphemous practises includeth themselves as copartners with the beast that had seaven heads and ten hornes that had upon his heads the names of blasphemy and opened his mouth in blasphemies against God to blaspheme his Name and his Tabernable and them that dwell in heaven All which he doth both by word and writing as is clearely proved in my little Treatise And yet he bringeth this Scripture as something applicable to us oh subtill Serpent this is the old Serpents policie to apply that to others which he feareth will be brought and applyed to himselfe and this he frequently useth in his bookes to bring such Scriptures as his very Conscience cannot choose but tell him are properly applicable against himselfe yet he bringth them against others that he may prevent them by giving them first and then he commonly putteth some cloud or glosse upon them meerely sophisticall Againe in the Frontespice of his answer he calleth me Friend which when I began to consider what he meant by it in regard that spirit by which he is acted seldome useth any such loving appellations to its opposites I wondered having not to my remembrance found the like in all his writings But considering his words before and after to have nothing like any love in them I was satisfied that he meant it no otherwise but as Christ did to Judas who was going to betray him with a kisse
for our learning and what good will their being written doe us if we will not reade them but stay and waite till they be inspired into us as so Naylor owneth the Scripture to be profitable to whom they are given by inspiration Implying that else they are not if we have them first by reading see in this his answer page 5. What an absurd doctrine is this and how loath is he to owne that the Scripture in bookes is worth reading This discovers what spirit hee is acted by and how bitterly malicious and full of devices against the Scriptures And againe observe the Apostle Peter and hee are fallen at odds and he hath given him the lye for writing this Scripture it hath so angered him that the Apostle should stand in such direct opposition to his false doctrine For the Apostle calls it a more sure word of prophesie then either visions or voyces which he had in the Mount But this James Naylor denyeth and blameth mee exceedingly for beleeving such a thing as that the letter of the old Prophets should be a surer word then what Peter heard God himselfe speake and were eye witnesses of his Majestie Ans I answer this voyce and vision might seeme a surer word unto Peter and others then the old prophesies it according with them and so was a further confirmation of what the Prophets had spoken But those to whom he writes this Revelation of such things did not heare that voyce nor see his Majestie but had it written unto them as well as the Prophesies and so had it but in the letter from Peter as a testimony unto them And therefore it was that the Apostle called it a more sure word of prophesie for words of prophesie given by inspiration of God if wee know them to be such are more sure words to me then visions and voyces that are heard by others and seene and Related For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesie And this hee would have them to know that the prophesie in old time came not by the will of man but holy men of God spake as they were mooved by the Spirit of God And therefore hee saith wee including himselfe have a more sure word of prophesie the which though the confirmation thereof to Peter testifying of Jesus to be the Christ therein specified was surer to him yet that sure word of prophesie was a more sure word to build their faith upon in regard it foreshewed the coming of Christ and that that Jesus was hee giving notice beforehand of the place of his birth and of his life and death and all such things which came to passe Which clearely demonstrateth that all those prophesies were by inspiration for who else but God could foreshew such things so long before And therefore there cannot be a more sure word then that sure word of prophesie for what can be surer then the words of God and those proved to be his words by the truth and successe in the events thereof that were thereby foreshewed And therefore it is that in case the people desired to know of any Prophet whether the Lord had sent him with such a Message or he had spoken it presumptuously Hee referres them to the successe and events thereof and whether the thing came to passe or no see Deut. 18.21 22. To wit When a Prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord if the thing follow not nor come to passe that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken but the Prophet hath spoken it presumptuously thou shalt not be afraid of him But the prophesies of old time are confirmed to us to be a sure word of prophesie and therefore we cannot but beleeve them And that a great deale better then the prophesies of James Naylor though hee telleth us hee hath them by Immediate voyce and visions likewise and that hee hath them from God by Immediate inspiration For till we see them confirmed by the events thereof wee shall rather beleeve that more sure word of prophesie that was spoken in old time and also those sure words of prophesie and Rules and directions given by Christ and his Apostles then those given by James Naylor though hee call himselfe and others account him the Messenger of the living God But though wee doe beleeve in regard wee finde it in Scripture and that in many places and are in expectation dayly to see the downfall and shame and confusion of such who presume to preach in the Name of the Lord and hee hath not sent them see verse 20. Yet wee dare not believe the prophesying of Naylor in that respect nor can we expect or desire either the downfall and shame and confusion of any that is godly and faithfull Nor dare wee condemne all that preach in publike in our publike places which hee whickedly calleth our Idoll Temples to be carnall and hirelings as he blasphemously doth for wee know the contrary and therefore know him to be a lyar and not a true Prophet and so wee feare him not nor regard his prophesies but as false and frothie presumptuous lyes and therefore if it come not so to passe hee will be discovered to those seely people that for the present beleeve him as so he is to us already Againe I produced a Scripture to prove the various and different dispensations of the Lord to his Prophets and to Rebuke the pride and insolencie of James Naylor the which as I suppose because he could not oppose any deductions from it nor evade the charge upon himselfe to wit of despising the Word He maketh as though he understood not my meaning and as though I had brought it for another end the which I never meant And maketh use of it for prooving that they are no Prophets who have no word but the letter The which I shall easily graunt so hee will not deny that the letter of Scripture is the word also nor did I ever deny it but owned Christ as the essentiall word and the Scripture also is the word and therefore he needed not fetch any arguments to proove it But I made another use of it to wit that I finde but little of this meeknesse in James Naylor that was exemplified in Moses But on the contrary that hee counteth himselfe the highest and all below him either dwarfes or nothing like Christians in so much as if they have need of a booke either the Bible or any other they are despised by him as litterall men in his booke against Moore Though Paul advised otherwise as to give attendance to reading and to exhortation and doctrine and not onely to a light within and more to that purpose Which is so quite contrary to his Directorie that having nothing to answer he turneth the dease eare and falleth upon other busines discussed before Againe he saith my second thing is to deny the light of Christ to be sufficient I answer it is most false I told him that wee must confesse that
approoveth I appeale to all Judicious men that reades these things whether hee doth not clearely contradict himselfe and shew his owne conviction in this point by this his owne confession and practise and whether his owne conscience can for shame deny it that he is condemned out of his owne mouth and his folly made manifest to all that reade or heare his words a childe of seven yeares of age may discerne his folly and contradiction here even to his owne doctrine And then hee telleth mee that I say there are some that are a people of no understanding therefore hee that made them will have no mercy on them And saith he thou art hee who art reasoning against the light of Christ being sufficient and yet thou sayes is not the manifestation of the spirit given to every man to profit withall hast thou not lost thy understanding herein I answer let all men Judge whether hee or I have lost their understandings in these things hee that hath manifestly contradicted and convicted himselfe in his own words and blamed mee heere for producing such grounds from Scripture and arguments as hee cannot answer with any reason at all by way of contradiction but by asserting mee to be hee that is without understanding not shewing in the least any Reason at all why hee so calleth mee But telleth mee that yet I have got the Serpents subtiltie to thrust in my words to abuse the Scriptures I answer how can a men that hath lost his understanding get the Serpents subtiltie I never knew that any man could be subtile without understanding And where I have thrust in any of my words to abuse the Scriptures I cannot tell nor James Naylor neither and therefore this is one of his many lyes But hee must say something else the Quakers will suspect him that hee hath lead them wide as if they will but reade his and mine they may see who it is that hath got the Serpents subtiltie to make evasions where hee cannot answer and make lyes and shifts that are very poore What a poore shift is it to rayle and revile in stead of Rationall answers I said in my booke also that some men are sensuall having not the spirit And is not the manifestation of the spirit given to every man to profit withall and whom shall they profit if all be alike qualified and need no teaching And is there not diversities of gifts of that selfe same spirit and all for the edifying of the body of Christ till wee all grow up to a full stature which is not yet attained no not by Naylor himselfe for all his boastings of infallibilitie and purenesse from sinne To all which hee answereth not a word but what is before Recited which is nothing at all to the questions proposed but a poore Rationles evasion nor can James Naylor nor that lying spirit by whom he is acted with all his serpentine wisdome and policie evade the dint of these Texts of Scripture but they quite overturne all his maine doctrines against the use of meanes For if these diversities of gifts and manifestations of the spirit are given of God for the edification of the body of Christ and for the worke of the ministerie and to profit withall Then they ought to be employd for that very end and not to be put under a bushell nor hid as the talent But if the wisdome of God hath thought it fit to give gifts unto men for edifying of the body and for the worke of the ministrie and alwayes hath done and doth still by instrumentall meanes communicate light and knowledge of spirituall things to all his people and that by times and measures as it pleaseth him and by whom hee pleaseth Is it not a high presumption in James Naylor and his complices to deny such meanes and Instruments to be of any use in the Church and goe about to perswade all men to neglect and despise and disparage such meanes and instruments what in them lyeth and onely direct them to turne their minds inward to what light they have within and that already Doe they not herein manifestly contradict the wayes and wisdome of God as accounting themselves wiser then hee and as if his gifts were given in vaine and not to be us'd or employd for any such ends as to the use of edifying and as accounting it needlesse that all things should be done to the use of edifying and that of the body yea that men should edifie one another in their most holy faith yea after they have faith they may be built up further and increase their faith and walke from faith to faith till they be tall and strong and full of power by the spirit of the Lord if they use such meanes as the Lord hath appointed them But if all have light and that sufficient light already within what need is there then of edifying one another of the worke of the ministrie yea of those diversities of gifts and administrations and operations given forth by the same spirit doth not hee that prophesieth speake unto men to edification and exhortation and comfort And ought wee not to covet earnestly the best gifts And are all Prophets or all Teachers to whom then shall they prophesie or whom shall they teach If all were one member where were the body If all were an eye where were the hearing so if all were teachers where were the hearers who must learne If the eare should say because I am not the eye I am not of the body is it therefore not of the body So say I if the hearers should say because wee are not teachers therefore wee have not the spirit have they therefore not the spirit If James Naylor say so I will not beleeve him Because I know that the wisdome of God hath so tempered the body together as that the eye cannot say to the hand I have no need of thee neither the head to the foot I have no need of you And this hee hath done purposely That they might be no schisme in the mysticall body that are all baptized into one spirit see 1 Cor. 12. Cha. But if there be need one of another then wee need helpe one of another both the hearers of their teachers and the teachers of their hearers Teachers are as the eyes for guidance and lighting of the body and hearers are as the eares which receive their teachings and light and directions for understanding and practicall obedience as from the mouth of the Lord. And therefore till I shall be perswaded that the wisdome of James Naylor is above the wisdome of the Lord himselfe I shall never beleeve that it cometh of wisdome to direct men onely to a light within as their onely guide and to neglect the ministrations and teachings of men and of the Scriptures as James Naylor doth And that without the least warrant or ground from Scripture or reason either as hath been shewed before Nor hath hee yet done nor can hee ever