Seraphins stande there couering their faces with sixe winges c. Which thing if you will graunt then must euery Priest in his Masse be sorrowfull for those that babble when he is at his Masse And he must ouer topple his cup that the spirituall bloud may flowe of from the holy table c. And the bloud in the Chalice must be sucked out of the vndefiled side It is much to be maruayled that you M. Watson when you did read this place did not perceyue what figure Chrysostome vseth here But it is to be thought that you saw it well ynough but would not be knowne of it for you knewe that your Auditory would not charge you with the matter And as for vs that were then beyonde the Seas you supposed that we should neuer come to trie the matter with you by hande blowes and therefore you were the more bolde to pick out a fewe wordes out of the midst of Chrysostomes sayings and applie them pretily to your purpose As though Chrysostome had ment by them to teach that the reall and naturall body of Christ Chrysostoms meaning is really and substantially offered by the Priest in his Masse Where as Chrysostomes meaning was to strike a reuerent feare into the mindes of his hearers and to moue them to haue their mindes and hartes lifted vp to God whilst the holy misteries of the body and bloud of Christ should be in ministring and receyuing And that this was his meaning it doth playnely appeare in his words in the same place when he sayth Didst thou not make promise to the Priest which sayde lift vp your minds and harts and thou saydest we haue them lifted vp to the Lord And in the verie same houre thou art found a lyar But you haue Saint Austen to take your part both in his .ix. Booke of Confessions and also of the sentences of Prosper Yea he is full of such sayings say you but you tell vs not where more then in these two places I wil desire the reader therfore to thinke that this is but your bragge till you bring forth more store of that you saye Austen hath in suche plentie But let vs weigh these two places of Austen sée how they maye serue your purpose against vs and not against Austen himselfe in his other writings First for aunswere to that which you cite out of the .ix. booke and twelfe Chapter of his Confessions I referre the learned reader to that which the same Austen wryteth in the Chapter next folowing And that such as haue not Saint Austens workes may sée his wordes I will here set them in wryting as they are there to be read August li. 9. Confess ca. 13. Nanque illa imminente die resolutionis suae non congitauit suum corpus sumptuose contegi aut condiri aromatibus aut monumentum electum concupiuit aut curauit sepulchrum patrium Non ista mandauit nobis sed tantummodo memoriam sui ad altare tuum fieri desiderauit cui nullius diei praeteronissione seruierat vnde sciret dispensari victimam sanctam qua deletum est chirographum quod erat contrarium nobis qua triumphatus est hostis computans delicta nostra quaerens quid obijciat nihil inueniens in illo in quo vincimus Quis ei refundet innocentem sanguinem Quis ei restituet precium quo nos emit vt nos auferat ei Ad cuius precij nostri sacramentum ligauit ancilla tua animam suam vinculo fidei Saint Austen speaking of his mother Monica sayth thus vnto God When the day of hir resolution was at hande she had no minde to haue hir body sumteously buried or to be embaulmed with Spices neyther did shée desire to haue a fine or gorgious Tumbe or to be buried in hir Countrie Shée gaue vs no charge concerning these matters but hir only desire was that she might be had in remembraunce at thine altar whervnto shée had giuen hir selfe in seruice euery day contynually from which she knewe that the holy slayne offering whereby was blotted out the hande wryting that was against vs was distributed whereby that enimie that numbreth our sinnes and séeketh what he may obiect against vs and findeth nothing in him in whome we ouercome is triumphed ouer Who shall poure out innocent bloud to him agayne Who shall restore to him the price wherewith he bought vs that he may take vs awaye from him Vnto the Sacrament of which price thy handemayden did tie hir soule with the bond of fayth If you would haue weighed thys place well you would not haue cyted the other for such purpose as you did Yea you would haue passed it ouer I trowe for it marreth a great part of your market Saint Austen sayth here that his mother knewe that the holy slayne sacrifice was daylie distributed at the aultar It is playne therefore by these wordes that there was no priuate Masse then but Communion Austen expounded by himselfe which thing maketh verie euill for your purpose And in the later ende of those wordes Saint Austen doth playnely declare in what meaning he wrote those other wordes that you cite For the thing that he spoke of before he doth here cal Precij nostri sacramentum The sacrament of our price As touching the place of Austen in his booke of the Sentences of Prosper ye doe well to confesse that it was cited by Gratian For it will be as harde for you to finde it in Saint Austens workes as to finde burning fyre in the bottome of the Sea yea or to finde that meaning in any part of his workes It is an Austen of Gratians owne making that wrote those wordes and not Austen the Bishop of Hippo. But yet if you had read the glosse of that text you would not I thinke haue made so great accompt of that place For it sayth thus In tertia parte Watson will none of this glosse quod coeleste sacramentum quod est in altari improprie dicitur Corpus Christi sicut Baptismus improprie dicitur fides In the third part that the heauenly sacrament that is on the altare is improperly called the body of Christ euen as baptisme is improperly called fayth If this glosse doe not fight with the text then doth not this place make so much for your purpose as you would haue it to séeme to make for it And bicause ye make mention of Prosper let vs sée what he sayth in his .339 sentence taken out of Austen Prosper sentencia 339. Qui discordat a Christo nec carnem eius manducat nec sanguinem bibit etiam si tantae rei sacramentū ad iudicium suae praesumtionis quotidie indifferenter accipiat He that agréeth not with Christ doth neither eate his flesh nor drinke his bloud although he doe daylie without regarde receyue the sacrament of so great a thing to the condemnation of his owne presumption In thys one sentence is ynough to satisfie as
members of one body is the effect of their sacrament of the aultar Let them take the spéeche to be in what kinde they wyll eyther playne figuratiue or hyperbolicall But you haue not yet done with Cyrill in this matter He must nowe expresse by a similitude of two waxes melted mingled togither Cyrill li. 10. Capit. 13. li. 4. capit 17. this coniunction of vs with Christ A man might aske you what this maketh to the purpose You must proue that our knitting togither into members of one body is the effect of the sacrament of the aultar But let vs weigh his wordes He sayth thus Quemadmodum si quis c. Lyke as if a man mingle c. You haue cyted the wordes of Cyrill verie truely but you haue not coated the place aright For in the .17 Chapter of the tenth Booke are no such wordes to be founde neyther is there any such matter handled there But in the .13 Chapter of the same Booke the wordes that you cite are founde And in the .17 of the fourth are founde wordes to the same effect Watsons olde tricke will not be left But in the translating of these wordes Communicationis corporis sanguinis Christi You vse one little péece of your common trick For you say thus By the communion and receyuing of the body and bloud of Christ where as the true Englishe of the wordes is thus By the communicating of the body bloud of Christ which communicating is in the faithful beléeuers of the promise of God made in Christ though the same doe neuer receiue the sacrament of the body bloud of christ If you would haue looked in the last Chapter of the ninth booke Cyrill li. 9. Capit. 45. you should haue séene what Cyrill meaneth by this worde Communicatio His wordes be these Non erat possibile aliter corruptibilem secundum naturam hominem mortem effugere nisi primum adeptus gratiam rursus particeps Dei fieret qui omnia per filium in spiritu viuificat Carne ergo sanguini communicauit id est qui secundum naturam vita est vnigenitus Dei Patris filius homo factus est mediator Dei atque hominum vt scribitur Natura Deo coniunctus ex quo est hominibus rursus vt homo c. It was not possible that man which by nature is corruptible should otherwise escape death except obtayning the first grace he might agayne be made partaker of God that doth in the spirite quicken all things by his sonne He hath therefore communicated himselfe to fleshe and bloud that is to say the onely begotten sonne of God the father which is by nature lyfe is become man the mediator of God and men as it is written being by nature ioyned to God of whome he hath his being and agayne vnto man as he is man Thus it is manifest howe euill fauouredly The accorde of Cyrill and Watson the meaning of the auncient wryters doth agrée with your purpose in cyting them in your Sermons Cyrill speaketh of the communion or felowship that man hath with Christ by his incarnation you cite him to proue the ioyning of al christians into the felowship of one body by receyuing the sacrament of the aultar as you call it Nowe let vs sée what Hilarius hath sayde in this matter Hilarius in Psalm 6. His words you say are these Per communionem sancti corporis c. By the communion of his holy body You note in the margent of your printed booke that this sentence of Hilarie is written in his Commentarie vpon the sixt Psalme When you can shewe vs that Commentarie you shall haue the wordes that you cite aunswered Saint Hierome saith that Hilarie wrote onely vpon the first and second Psalmes the. .51 and so forth to the .62 and from the .118 to the last And in his printed workes we finde but eyght mo whereof the sixt is none Wherefore I must thinke that the great learned and godly Byshop that you speake of is your selfe or some other such as you are But if it may be found in some other part of Hilarius works what shal it make for your purpose sith these wordes may haue a good sense if we vnderstand by the first Communion that which we haue by the incarnation of our Sauiour Christ and by the later that which we haue one with another For by the communion that we haue with Christ we be placed in that communion that we haue one with another And so doe these wordes make nothing to proue that our cowpling into one body in Christ is the effect of the sacrament of the aultar But nowe that your store is well spent you vse your figure of Rhetoricke to blere the readers eye withall In such playne matter as this what néede I heape places one aboue another All the fathers are full of it How full the fathers that you speake of be of this so playne matter doth I trust sufficiently appéere in that which I haue alreadie written in the aunswere to that which you haue as yet alledged in the proufe of this matter Wherefore seing you haue not as yet proued neyther shall hereafter be able to proue eyther by the wordes of the scripture or of the auncient fathers that our knitting togither into one body in Christ is the effect of your sacrament of the aultar it is no wickednesse nor blasphemie at all to ascribe that effect to the efficient cause thereof which is God the father through his sonne Iesus Christ and the holy ghost But nowe let vs sée what other effectes you haue WATSON Diuision 26. Beside these effectes gathered out of the new Testament there be also other mentioned in the Psalmes Whereof one is that this sacrament is an armour and defence against the temptations of our ghostly enimie the Deuill as it is written in the .22 Psal 22. Chrysost in Psal 22. Euthymi in Psal 22. Psalme Parasti in conspectu meo mensam aduersus eos qui tribulant me Thou hast prepared in my sight a Table against them that trouble me By this Table sayth Chrysostome vpon this place is vnderstanded that thing that is consecrated vpon the aultar of our Lorde and Euthymius a Greeke Author sayth so also Par hanc mensam intelligit altaris mensam in qua caena mystica illa iacet by this table he vnderstandeth the table of the aultar vpon which lyeth the misticall supper of Christ which doth arme and defend vs against the Deuill which sometimes craftily layeth in wayte for vs sometimes fiercely and cruelly assaulteth vs that be fed at Christes table Saint Cyprian teacheth vs the same lesson saying Quos excitamus exhortamur ad praelium non inermes nudos relinquamus sed protectione sanguinis corporis Christi muniamus Cyprianus li. 1 Epist 2. Those persons whom we prouoke and exhort to fight against their enimies be it eyther the Deuils our ghostly
not offer him really and corporally and so set you against your selfe For you haue sayd oftentimes in these your two sermons that you receiue and offer christ in your Masse really corporally and naturally But you wil vnderstand by mystically as you doe by sacramentally and saye that mystically is verily and really For you haue learned of Gracians glose to say Statuimus id est Abrogamus We decrée Distinction Mysticall can not be reall c. that is we do abrogate you may giue to wordes what signification you lust But such as be learned in the tongues doe knowe that mysticall can not signifie reall naturall and corporall A number of things you say are done in your Masse That is to say Christ is by his omnipotent power presented to you and of you to his and your father His passion is renewed and the remission that was purchased and deserued thereby humbly prayed for to God that the same may be applyed vnto you by Christ c. Because all this is but your bare assertion without proofe either by authoritie or reason It shall suffice that I aunswere as saint Hierome doth in like case Hiero. in Mat. 23. Hoc quia de scripturis c Because this thing hath none authoritie of the scripture it is as easily contemned as allowed But here I must tell you that in one point you discent from many of your sort which say that the massing priest doth by his masse apply the passion of Christ to them that he sayth Masse for And you do but ioyne it with your fayth and deuotion in making humble prayer to God that it would please him to applye to you the remission that Christ hath deserued by his passion 1. Peter 2. To proue the third way that men offer Christ which is say you by the meditation of the minde c. You alledge the saying of Peter Sacerdotium Sanctum c. How well these wordes of Peter do serue to proue your offering of Christ onely by meditation of minde shal easily appeare to such as will reade the rest of that Chapter Spirituall sacrifices They shall finde that the spirituall sacrifices that Peter speaketh of there are a godly and honest lyfe full of good workes and not such idle meditations as you ymagine Now séeing that you haue deuided the offering vp of Christ into so many members and haue proued but one shall it not be a good argument to inculcate one reiect the rest This is the peculiar maner of the Papists the professed enimies of Christ euen as they doe in teaching the reall and corporall eating of Christes bodie in the sacrament so in this matter of the sacrificeing and offering of Christ to imagine a multitude of members where in déede there is but one And by such subtile shiftes they do seduce the vnlearned But when they be espyed and detected they appeare as these of yours do euen as they be deuilish and pernicious Sophistrie WATSON Furthermore if any man as yet doth stand in doubt whether men lawfully offer Christ to the father or no Diuision 28 let him call to remembraunce what I haue sayde before out of Dionisius Areopagita Dionisius Areopa speculat cap. 3. where the Bishop as he sayth doth excuse himselfe that he offereth the host of our saluation alledging that Christ did so commaund to be done saying do this in my remembrance Let him also remember the saying of the counsell at Nece Concilium Nicenum That the Lambe of God that taketh away the sinnes of the worlde is offered of the Priestes not after a bloudy maner Saint Augustine sayth Per hoc sacrificium in sorma serui sacerdos est ipse offerens ipse oblatio cuius rei sacramentum August de ciuit libro 10. Capit. 20. quotidianum esse voluit ecclesiae sacrificium cum ipsius corporis ipse sic caput ipsius capitis ipsa sit corpus tam ipsa per ipsum quam ipse per ipsam suetus offerri By this sacrifice in the forme of a seruaunt Christ is a priest being himselfe both the offerer and the oblation of which oblation hee woulde the daylye sacrifice of the Church should be a sacrament and seeyng he is the heade of that body and the Church is the body of that head aswell the Church by Christ as Christ by the Church is accustomed to be offered A notable place resoluing diuerse doubtes declaring that the dayly sacrifice of the Church which is the Masse is a sacrament of Christes passion representing the same and further that Christ offering himselfe vpon the Crosse did also in himselfe offer his misticall bodie the Church and thirdly that the church Christs body doth not only once or twise but is accustomed to offer Christ hir head to God in hir dayly sacrifice Heare yet a place of Saint Augustine as plaine as this Heberi in victimis pecorum prophetiam celebrabant futurae victimae quam Christus obtulit vnde iam Christiani peracti eiusdem sacrificij August contra Faustum lib. 20. cap. 18. memoriam celebrant sacro sancta oblatione perticipatione corporis sanguinis Christi The Iewes in their sacrifices of beastes did celebrate the prophecie of the sacrifice to come which Christ offred The Christen men nowe doe celebrate the memorie of the same sacrifice of Christ that is past by the most holy oblation and perticipation of Christes body and bloud Marke howe that he sayeth christen men celebrate the memory of Christes passion wherewithall euen by the offeryng of the same body that suffered passion I nede saye no more for this poynt that men doe and did vse from the beginning to offer Christ to the father CROWLEY August de Ciuitate Dei Lib. 10 cap. 20. The wordes that you cite out of Dionisius and the Councell at Nice are sufficiently answered in the places where you alledged them Concerning the place that you cite out of Austen you know how much those bookes De Ciuitate Dei haue bene corrupted and what great trauaile and paynes Lodouicus Viues tooke in conferring of diuers copies that thereby he might as much as it was possible set forth the worke of Austen in such sort as he wrote it Vpon these wordes Cum ipsius corporis ipse sit caput he noteth that in the bookes that he found in Colene and Bruges it is written thus Quae cum ipsius capitis corpus sit se ipsam per ipsum dicit offerre Which Church being the bodie of that head sayth that she doth through him offer vp hir selfe And in another Copie also he found it euen so sauing that in the place of dicit it was written discit so that the sentence is thus Which Church being the body of that head Watson will folow the most vnlikely doth learne by him to offer vp hir selfe Whatsoeuer you thinke of this diuersitie of readings I thinke that all the learned and wise that be trauayled in
many as would be satisfied of the opinion of Austen and Prosper And that Austen is so farre of from being full of such sayings as you doe boast that he is that he speaketh fully and plainly the contrarie of that which you holde in moe places then one or two August De Ciuit. Dei lib. 21. ca. 25. First he sayth thus Qui manducat meam carnem bibit meum sanguinem in me manet ego in eo Ostendit quid sit non sacramentotenus sed reuera corpus Christi manducare eius sanguinem bibere Hoc est enim in Christo manere vt in illo maneat Christus Sic enim hoc dixit tanquam diceret Qui non in me manet in quo ego non maneo non se dicat aut existimat manducare corpus meum aut bibere sanguinem meum c. He that eateth my fleshe and drinketh my bloud doth dwell in me and I in him He doth shewe what it is not in sacrament onely but in déede to eate the fleshe of Christ and drinke his bloud That is so to dwell in Christ that Christ maye dwell in him For he spake those wordes euen as though he should haue sayde thus Let not that man that dwelleth not in me nor hath me dwelling in him thinke that he doth eate my bodye or drinke my bloud c. Idem In. Ioh. Tract 26. And agayne vpon the same wordes he sayth Hoc est ergo manducare illam escam illum bibere potum in Christo manere illum in se manentem habere Ac per hoc qui non manet in Christo in quo non manet Christus proculdubio nec manducat spiritaliter carnem eius nec bibit eius sanguinem licet carnaliter visibiliter premat dentibus sacramentum corporis sanguinis Christi Sed magis tantae rei sacramentum adiudicium sibi manducat bibit c. This is therefore to eate that meat and drinke that drinke to dwell in Christ and to haue Christ dwelling in him And by this he that dwelleth not in Christ and in whom Christ dwelleth not without doubt he doth neyther eate his fleshe nor drinke his bloud spiritually although he doe fleshely and visibly crushe in his téeth the sacrament of the body and bloud of Christ But he doth rather eate and drinke the Sacrament of so great a thing to his owne condemnation Agayne he sayth Si enim sacramenta quandam similitudinem earum rerum quarum sacramenta sunt non haberent omnino sacramenta non essent Ex hac autem similitudine Idem Ad Bonifacium Epist 23. plerumque etiam ipsarum rerum nomina accipiunt Sicut ergo secundum quendam modum sacramentum corporis Christi corpus Christi est sacramentum sanguinis Christi sanguis Christi est ita sacramentum fidei fides est c. For if the sacraments had not a certaine similitude or lykenesse of those things whereof they be Sacraments they could not be Sacraments at all And of this similitude they doe for the most part take the names of those things wherof they be sacraments Euen as therfore the sacrament of the body of Christ is after a certaine maner the bodye of Christ the sacrament of his bloud is his bloud so the sacrament of fayth is fayth c. By these places it is playne Whereof Austen is full that Saint Austen is not so full of such sayings as you cite out of his Confessions c but rather that he is full of Sentences to the contrarie of that which you would confirme by his wordes Why should I tarie anye longer therefore in aunswering this point seing the auncient fathers bookes be full of good matter against your doctrine I conclude therefore that as you vnderstande by substaunce so is not Christ the substaunce of our sacrifice of the new Testament neyther is that our sacrifice that you doe boast so much of But our sacrifice of the new Testament is our fayth in Christ and oure obedience to his worde as I haue shewed before and this sacrifice is acceptable in Christ therefore and in that sense Christ is the substaunce of our Sacrifice notwithstanding that he is not after your maner present in his sacrament Neither is it any inconuenience What the sacrifice of the newe Testament is that we haue not any sacrifice priuate to our selues and not common to all the faythfull that haue bene before vs and shall be after vs. For we are all one Church and saued by one sacrifice propitiatorie which Christ offered once for all and why should not one sacrifice of thankes to God be generall to vs all vnlesse you will haue that euery age should haue a sacrifice by it selfe And furthermore WATSON Diuision 10. seing a Sacrifice is an outwarde protestation of our inwarde faith and deuotion if we christen men now haue no sacrifice priuate vnto vs then be we the most miserable men that euer were being without anye kinde of religion For take away our sacrifice take away our religion Cyprianus Sermo De Caena as S. Cyprian confuting the carnall thoughts of the Capernaits that thought they should haue eaten Christes fleshe eyther rosted or sod and so should haue consumed it to nothing wryteth thus Cum illius personae caro si in frustra partiretur non omni humano generi posset sufficere qua semel consumpta videretur religio interisse cui nequaquà m vlterius victima superesset Seing that if the fleshe of his person were deuided into pieces it coulde not suffise all mankinde to eate vpon which flesh after it were once cleane wasted and consumed our religion might likewise seme to perish and be destroied which had no more any sacrifice remayning Wherevpon I conclude that if we haue not Christes body and bloud present in the sacrament for our externall sacrifice wherby we may mitigate and please almightie God and obteyne remission of sinne and spirituall grace and giftes then should we be no better then the Turkes seing all nations from the beginning of the worlde both Gentils and Iewes haue had one kinde of outwarde Sacrifice to declare and expresse their inward deuotion and religion eyther to the true God of heauen or to such as they fantasied or feyned to be Gods sauing onely the Turkes as Petrus Cluniacensis writeth wherby it appeareth that this sect that denieth and destroyeth the Masse which is the Sacrifice of the Church is verily the sect of Mahumet preparing a waye for the Turke to ouerrunne all Christendome as hee hath done a great piece alreadie For what could the Turke doe more against our saith if he did ouercome vs beside our thraldome tirannicall oppression but as these men doe now to take awaye our sacramēts sacrifice to leaue vs nothing but the bare name of Christ if there be any good man that hath true religion in his hart to compell him
his holy body doth not depart away but the vertue of the benediction and the grace of giuing lyfe doe continually abide and remayne in that that leaueth This heresie is newe reuiued agayne by Martyne Luther and his sect but it can not stande being condemned of olde time and now also by the Catholike Church You can not iustly charge vs with the doings of Zachaeus CROWLEY Massing pristes are not lawfull ministers of Christes sacraments of whome Epiphanius doth write For we praye togither and we receyue the sacraments ministred by none other but such as are ministers lawfullye admitted except anye such remayne among vs without repentance as haue bene Massing priests and neuer desired to be other As for your Anthropomorphits I thinke it straunge that in an open Auditory you durst affirme that Cyrill wrote against them or of them seing that by the computation of time it is manifest that Cyrillus whose workes are extant was dead .500 yeres before that heresie was regarded of many You note in the mergine of your booke that Cyrill wrote of those heretikes to Calosirium Wordes of Cyrill not found in his workes If a man shoulde desire you to shewe that Epistle or booke of his eyther in print or wryting I thinke it would not easily be done But your friend Maister Harding sayth that thys saying of Cyrill is cyted by Thomas Aquinas Parte 3.9.76 Capit. 11. A good ground to build vpon Thomas Aquinas liued within these .400 yeres vnderstoode no worde of the Gréeke as Erasmus hath noted vpon the Epistle to the Romaines and he cyting matter out of a Gréeke Author which is not yet to be founde in Latine must be of sufficient Authoritie to cause all men to thinke that as manye as deny the body of Christ to be really and substantially in the sacrament reserued in a Boxe are heretikes condemned by the fathers of olde time and nowe also by the Catholike Church But let vs sée howe well you and your friend Maister Harding doe agrée betwéene your selues and with your Maister Thomas Aquinas in reporting these wordes of Cyrill Harding sayth Non enim alius fit Christus neque sanctum eius corpus immutabitur For Christ is not chaunged neyther shall his holy body be chaunged And you say Non enim mutatur Christus neque sanctum eius corpus discedit For Christ is not chaunged neyther doth his holy body depart away Parte 3. quest 76. But your Maister Thomas sayth Non enim mutabitur sacramentum corporis Christi The sacrament of the body of Christ shall not be chaunged By this may the learned iudge what lykelyhood of truth thereis in this that is fathered vpon Cyrillus More might be noted but I leaue it to the diligence of the indifferent readers But this maketh me much to muse that you shame not to saye that the Catholike Church meaning thereby the popishe Church doth nowe condemne the errour of the Anthropomorphits seing that in euery Church and Chappel and in many other places is not onely suffered but maintayned the Image of God the father and the holye ghost both set forth in the forme and fashion of a mortall man as though the deuine nature had such partes and proporsions of a body as Christ had in his manhood and hath still I vnderstand that the errour that the Anthropomorphits held was that the Godhead is a bodily substaunce and that man in his bodily shape doth resemble the shape and fashion of that substaunce It had bene much for your honestie therefore as I thinke not to haue medled so much with this errour The papists are Anthropomorphits for we whom you would haue men thinke to be defiled with it are cleare from it and you your selfe most filthily wadled in it WATSON Diuision 15 Manye moe heresies there bee condemned concerning the sacrament beside the heresie of Berrengarius that twise did recant it in two prouinciall counsels And at his death toke great penance for his damnable opinion as the stories tell and also beside the condemnation of Iohn Wyckliefe in the generall counsell at Constaunce But I will not hinder my purpose with a long rehearsall of them These be sufficient to shewe the consent of the Church by the condemnation of heretikes he that would knowe moe arguments to proue the consent in this or any other matter let him reade a booke called Vincentius Lirinensis contra prophanas haeresu vnouitates He may bye it for lesse then sixe pense and find there a great treasure of good learning Now to our purpose of the sacrifice Here the prayer was made The true Church of Christ whose rule is the word of God CROWLEY Gods worde is the rule of the Church hath alwayes condemned all maner of heresies But that is not the Church of Rome which you would gladly cause men to thinke to be that catholike Church As for the heresie of Berrengarius by the report of Lanfrancus his greatest enimie was this Per consecrationem altaris Lanfrancus De Eucharist panis vinum fiunt sacramentum Religionis non vt desinant esse quae erant c. By the consecration of the aultar the bread and wine are made a sacrament of religion not that they leaue to be the same that they were before but that they be altred into another thing and become that they were not before As Ambrose wryteth c. Here is a perillous heresie Ambr. de sa lib. 4. cap. 4. August De Cate. Epist 23. De Consecr Dist 2. If Berrengarius be an heretike for wryting thus then must Ambrose and Austen both be heretiks as well as he For they wrote the same doctrine But Berrengarius hath recanted his heresie in two prouincial counsels at his death tooke great penance for the same as stories do tel when you shall shewe those histories you shall sée what we can say to them Thus we find the Berrengarius was by Pope Nicholas the second enforced to recant in this wise Consentio autem sanctae romanae Ecclesiae apostolicae sedi ore corde profiteor de sacramentis dominicae mensae eandem fidem me tenere quam Dominus venerabilis Papa Nicholaus haec sancta Synodus autoritate euangelica apostolica tenendam tradidit mihique firmauit Silicet Panem vinum quae in altare ponuntur post consecrationem non solum sacramentum sed etiam verum Corpus sanguinem Domini nostri Iesu Christi esse sensualiter non solum sacramentum sed in veritate manibus sacerdotum tractari frangi fidelium dentibus atteri I doe consent sayth Berrengarius to the holy Church of Rome and to the Apostolike seate and with heart and mouth I doe professe that I doe holde the same fayth concerning the sacraments of the Lordes table which my Lorde and reuerende Pope Nicholas and this holy Synode haue by the Authoritie of the Gospell and Apostles taught to be holden
playne by that which in the booke that you cite De Ciuitate Dei he addeth to the wordes that you cite His words be these Propter quod etiam vocem illam in psalmo tricesimo nono eiusdem mediatoris per Prophetam loquentis agnoscimus sacrificium oblationem noluisti corpus autem perfecisti mihi quia pro illis omnibus sacrificijs oblationibus corpus eius offertur participantibus ministratur Wherfore sayth saint Austen We doe acknowledge that voyce of the same Meditatour speaking by the Prophet in the Psalme .39 in this wyse thou hast not desired sacrifice and oblation but thou hast made me a perfite bodye for his body is offered in stede of all those sacrifices and oblations and is ministred to such as be partakers thereof The continual offering of Christ This sacrifice bicause it is eternall after the order of Melchisedech is still presently offered by the Meaditor Christ who is both the priest and sacrifice and continually ministred to them that be partakers thereof by faith by that spiritual maner of ministration whereby spirituall lyfe is ministred from the head Christ to his members the Church But nowe to ende this matter your Auditorie must heare one place more which is playnest of all Oecumenius hath said Significat sermo c. If I might vse such libertie in cyting places as you doe in this I could easily finde plaine places ynough to proue whatsoeuer I lusted to take in hande Where the author hath sayde Significat sermo quod licet Christus non obtulerit carentem sanguine hostiam siquidem suum ipsius corpus obtulit attamen qui ab ipso fungentur sacerdotio c. The signification of this saying is that although Christ did not offer a sacrifice without bloud for he offered his owne body yet shall those that shall after him execute the office of priesthood whose high priest God doth vouchsafe to be offer without bloud For that is signified by this saying For euer c. These be the wordes of Oecumenius as Hentenius hath translated them out of the Gréeke But you had promised your Auditorie a playner place then this was beyng thus translated For this is playne against all that you haue done before in proouing that our Sauiour Christ did offer himselfe without bloud For this felow being thus translated sayth Although Christ did not offer a sacrifice without bloud c. Well therefore to make the place plaine in déede you haue amended the translation I trowe and you haue sayde Significat sermo quod non solum Christus obtulit incruentam hostiam siquidem suum ipsius corpus obtulit verum etiam qui ab ipso c. The word meaneth that not onely Christ offered an vnbloudy sacrifice for he offered his owne body but also they that shall vnder him vse the function of a priest whose Byshop he doth vouchsafe to be shall offer without shedding of bloud Well eyther you Oecumenius belyed in translating or your friend Hentenius haue belyed the Gréeke For here is playne contradiction The one sayth Hath not offred and the other sayth hath offered Wherfore it must néedes folow that the one hath made a lye And peraduenture if the Gréeke might be séene and well viewed you might be founde false harlots both for Hentenius was a Louanist c. For who so readeth the rest that Oecumenius hath collected out of other wryters that were before his time and patched togither into one commentarie vpon the Epistle to the Hebrues he shall haue but little occasion to thinke that Oecumenius could be of such minde concerning the meaning of these wordes Tu es sacerdos in aeternum thou art a priest for euer as in this place that you cite he sheweth himselfe to be when he sayth Christ could not be sayde to be a priest for euer but in respect of those sacrifycing priestes that are now by whose meanes he doth still offer and is offred For vpon the tenth Chapter and these wordes Singulis annis he sayth thus An ne nos semper offerimus hostias sanguine carentes sed vnius eiusdemque mortis Christi memoriam facimus vnum Christi corpus semper edimus Doe we alwaies offer sacrifices that haue no bloud But we doe make a memoriall of that one and the selfe same death of Christ and doe alway eate one body of Christ And vpon the worde Perpetuò he sayth Quum vna perpetuò sufficiat Seing that one sacrifice may suffice for euer And vpon these wordes In certitudine fidei In the certainty of fayth he sayth thus Quoniam autem nihil est post haec visibile neque templum id enim est caelum neque Pontifex is est Christus neque victima haec corpus est ipsius necessaria in posterum est fides Verum quia contingit credere simul haesitare ait In certitudine fidei Hoc est vt certisimus de his Oecumenius his meaning made plaine Bicause that hence forth there is nothing visible neither temple for that is heauen neyther high priest for that is Christ neyther sacrifice for that is his bodye fayth is from this tyme forward necessarie But bicause it doth happen that a man doth at one time both beleue and doubt he sayth in the certaintie of fayth that is that we may be certaine of these things Many such sayings as this are in that Commentarie wherefore corrupting of the Author in translating may be suspected as well on the behalfe of Hentenius as you although your doing doe more appéere then his But graunt that Oecumenius haue written in Gréeke euen as you haue reported him in Latine Is he knowne to be of such antiquitie and authoritie in the Church that his glose must be of more authoritie credit then the playne wordes of the text Saint Paule sayth Iam non est oblatio pro peccatis There is nowe no oblation for sinnes Seing Christ hath by one oblation made perfite such as be sanctified what néedeth there any more offering for sinne For the cause of the continuaunce of the offering was the imperfection of the offerings which could neuer take away sinne but alway put the offerers in minde of one that was to come who should be able by one oblation once offered fully to take away the sinnes of the whole worlde Oecumenius may haue no credite against saint Paule Your Oecumenius therefore being a great many of hundred yeres after saint Paule as may iustly be gathered by that he wrote after so many of the Gréeke wryters as he nameth in his booke should nowe be credited in that which he wryteth contrarie to saint Paule if that should be beleued as taught by him which you would so fayne maintaine by his wordes Your false dealings therfore being so playne as it is I néede not to stand vpon the opening of it any more but onely to desire the reader to waight the matter and he shall sée that the
speaking of the communion table there springeth a Fountayne of spirituall commodities and thou leauing this table doest forthwith runne to the water and doest beholde women swymming and the very marke of their sexe set out to the eyes of all that be present that thou mayest beholde this thing I say thou leauest Chryst sitting by the Fountayne of heauenly giftes For euen now also he doth sit vpon the Fountaine not speaking to one Samaritish woman but to the hole Citie For euen nowe also there is none that attendeth vpon him sauing that some be present with their bodies but without doubt some other not so much as with their bodyes Yet for all that he departeth not but he taryeth still and requireth drink of vs not water but sanctimonie or holynesse of lyfe For Christ doth giue holy things to them that be holy He doth not giue vs water out of this Fountayne but lyuing bloud which though it be receyued to testifie the Lordes death yet it is made vnto vs a cause of lyfe But thou doest leaue the Fountayne of this bloud and the cup that is to be had in reuerence and wyth spéede thou renuest to that deuillish Fountayne that thou mayest sée an Harlot swim and suffer shipwrack of thine owne soule c. Thus farre Chrysostome You should proue that the Masse is no derogation to the passion of Christ but you haue concluded that we receyue lyfe by receyuing of that which is offered in the Masse If this be no derogation to Christes passion then is there no derogation of it at all in any thing that can be done For what other thing is the fruite of Christes death but our euerlasting lyfe You had forgotten your selfe bylike when you alledged thys place for if Chrysostome ment so grossely as you vnderstand him he did set vp the Masse as much to the derogation of Christes passion as possibly he could Watson wold not see Chrisostomes meaning But Chrysostome had another meaning then you woulde sée when you read his wordes He teacheth the christians of Antioche that those holy things that Christ giueth to them that be holy are made vnto them instrumentall causes of euerlasting lyfe yea euen that mysticall bloud that is receyued to be a testimonie of the death of him that is Lorde of lyfe Thys meaning might you haue séene in the wordes of Chrysostome if affection had not blinded you But I marueile where you found in Chrysostomes words offered in commemoration for euen in the Latine text that you your selfe cite it is Sumitur is receyued But you might at that time say what you would to the aduauncement of that Idole of Rome and all Romishe Idolatrie To those two places of Gregory that you alledge I must aunswere as I haue learned of saint Hierome Hiero. in Math. 23. Hoc quia de scripturis c. Because this thing hath none authority of the scripture it is as easily contemned as allowed And least you should think that not being able otherwise to aunswere I doe reiect the authoritie of so auncient and godly a father I will shewe you the reasons that mooue me to thinke that these workes that are extant vnder the name of Gregorius Magnus were neuer of his writing Gregories bookes burned First Sabinianus that succéeded him next in the Papacie caused all his bookes to be burned And it is not to be thought that there were many copies in so short tyme when there was no way to encrease them but by hande wryting Another thing is the fond fables that in those workes are vsed in the probation of weightie assertions and no proufe made eyther by scriptures or authoritie of such as had before his dayes written of those matters Three reasons to proue Gregories workes coūterfaite but bare assertions contrarie to the scriptures and fathers that had bene before him And last of all the straunge maner of finding out the copie of his morral exposition of the history of Iob which is to ridiculous to haue any credite with such as haue any knowledge in christian religion and haue séene the hystories that make report of the liues and doings of those that had béene Byshops of Rome before the time of the finding out of that booke These authorities therefore doe not proue that the Masse is no derogation to the passion of Christ but rather the contrarie For if all these authorities that you haue alledged were as good as you make them and were so ment by the authors as you haue applied them what other thing should they teach but that the Masse is a derogation to the passion of Christ For what greater derogation can there be to Christs passion then to make it a matter of so small power that it could not of it selfe be effectuall to any vnlesse it be applyed by the mediation of some sacrificeing priest And that it must néedes be effectuall to such as it shall by such mediation be applyed vnto eyther in this lyfe or after Wée haue learned both by the scriptures and auncient fathers that the passion of Christ is of effect to take away the sinnes of the whole world The way to apply Christes passion and that it doth take away the sinnes of all that repent and beléeue the Gospell And that there is none other way to apply the passion of Christ to any but only the faith of those to whome it is applyed Furthermore they say we make our owne workes meaning the Masse a sauiour beside Christ WATSON Diuision 30 which is nothing so but by this sacrifice of the Masse we declare that we beleue there is no sauiour but onely Christ For what doe we in the Masse We confesse our sinnes our vnworthinesse our vnkindnes our manifold transgresions of his eternal law we graunt that we be not able to satisfie for the least offence we haue done therfore we run to his passion which after this sort as he hath ordayned we renew and represent We besech our most mercifull father to looke vpon Christes merites and to pardon our offences to loke vpon Christes passion and to releue our affection We knowledge that whatsoeuer we haue done is vnperfite and vnpure and as it is our worke doth more offend his maiestie then please him therefore we offer vnto hym his welbeloued sonne Iesus in whome we knowe he is well pleased most humbly praying him to accept him for vs in whome onely we trust accompting him all our righteousnesse by whome onely we conceiue hope of saluation And therefore in the ende of the canon of the Masse we say thus Non aestimator meriti sed veniae quaesumus largitor admitte per Christum dominum nostrum O Lord we besech thee to admit vs into the companie of thy saintes not waying our merites but graūting vs pardon by Christ our Lord. Also whatsoeuer thing we lacke all plagues all misfortunes all aduersitie both ghostly and temporall we require to be released of them not through our
custodire dominicae traditionis veritatem Et quod prius apud quosdam videtur erratum Domino monente corrigere Vt cum in claritate sua maiestate coelesti venire coeperit inueniat nos tenere quod monuit obseruare quod docuit facere quod fecit It agréeth sayth Cyprian with our religion feare and place of priestly office most dearely beloued brother that in the mingling and offring vp of the Lords Cup we kepe the truth of the Lordes tradition and that we doe by the warning that the Lorde giueth correct that thing wherein we sée that other haue heretofore erred That when he shall begin to come in his owne brightnesse and heauenly Maiestie he may finde that we hold fast that wherof he gaue vs warning obserue that which he taught vs and doe that which he did Such words as these are not for you to loke vpon For they will bid you leaue of your masking garments in your ministration and to set aside your halowed cups Vestiments Altars and Superaltaries wyth all your crossings turnings and halfe turnings with the reast of your Apishe toyes For Christ neyther taught nor vsed any of all those thinges But when Cyprian sayth In sacrificio quod Christus est non nisi Christus sequendus est In that Sacrifice which is Christ none must bée folowed but Christ the first part of the sentence must serue your purpose to proue that the reall and naturall bodye and bloud of Christ is the substaunce of the sacrifice of the church and that the same is really and substantially present in the sacrament thereof but the later part of the same sentence must not put vs in minde to doe in the ministration thereof that which Christ did and commaunded vs to doe The wordes that Watson cyteth make nothing for him Thus without shame you cite that for your purpose which when it is taken whole togither maketh manifestly against you Yea the verie first part of that sentence which you apply to your purpose when it is well weighed maketh nothing for you For what is more common among the fathers then to call the signes by the names of those things that they doe signifie Chrysost in Epist ad Heb. homil 17. And doth not Chrysostome speaking of the same sacrament say thus Nō aliud sacrificium sicut pontifex sed idipsum semper facinus magis autem recordationē sacrificij operamur We doe not sayth Chrysostome make another sacrifice as the high Priest doth but alwaye one yea we doe rather make a remembraunce of a sacrifice By these wordes of Chrysostome it appeareth that though the fathers vsed to call the sacrament of Christes bodie a sacrifice yet they vnderstood it to be but the remembraunce of that sacrifice that Christ offered on the crosse once for all I would not gladly diminishe the aucthoritie of Cyprian or anye other auncient writer but I am sure you your selfe M. Watson wyll not buylde vpon euerye sentence of Cyprian as you doe vpon this For then coulde you not set your holy father of Rome so highe aboue all the Bishops of christendome as you doe Cyprian li. 4. Epist 2. Loke in the fourth booke of his Epistles and the seconde Epistle where you shall finde these wordes Ac si minus sufficiens Episcoporum in Africa numerus videbitur etiam Romae super hac rescripsimus Equalitie of Bishops by Cyprians iudgement ad Cornelium collegam nostrum qui ipse cum plurimis coepiscopis habito concilio c. And if the number of Byshops in Africa sayth Cyprian shal séeme to small I haue writtē to Rome also concerning this matier euen to Cornelius our felow in office who also holding a counsell with many bishops ioyned with him c. This Cornelius whome Cyprian calleth his fellow officer was Bishop of Rome when Cyprian wrote these wordes Yet I thinke you will not gather hereof that there was an equalitie betwixt them vnlesse you minde nowe at the last to denie the supremacye of your holy father And yet you may a great deale more iustly gather that vpō these words then that which you would maintayne of the other Yea I suppose that you and all your felowes are not able to proue that Cyprian ment not to teache an equalitie amongst all those Byshops that he speaketh of But whatsoeuer he ment in this place or any other it becommeth vs to folow the rule that he giueth Cyprian lib. 2. Ep. 3. in vnderstanding the words that he or any other auncient father hath left in wryting Si solus Christus audiendus est sayth Cyprian non debemus attendere quid aliquis ante nos faciendum putauerit sed quid qui ante omnes est Christus prior fecerit Neque enim hominis consuetudinem sequi oportet sed Dei veritatem A rule to be folowed in the reading of Fathers If Christ onely be to be harkened vnto we must not marke sayth Cyprian what any man before vs hath thought méete to be done but what Christ which was before al hath done before vs. Neyther ought we to folow the custome of men but the truth of God This is a perfite rule méete to be folowed of all men in the reading of the auncient fathers wrytings Then come you to Basils Masse where as you say are written these wordes Tu es qui offers c. O Christ our God thou art he c. As for your maner of Englishing of Basils words I leaue to you and your Printer to amend In whom the fault is I know not It shall suffice that I aunswere your matter First with your leaue M. Watson you belye Saint Basils forme of Masse For if that be his that was imprinted at Andwarp Anno. 1562. out of an olde Booke of the Latine translation as the Printer sayth then is there no such matter as this that you cite in all S. Basils forme of Masse But S. Chrysostomes Masse translated by Leonhardus Thuscus hath wordes in the same sense that these be that you father vpon Basils Masse The words be these Concede a me peccatore indigno famulo tuo offerri tibi haec sacramenta tu enim es offerens oblatus suscipiens distributus Christus Deus noster If I might be put in trust to translate these wordes into Englishe I would say thus Graunt that I being a sinner thine vnworthy seruant may offer vnto thée these sacraments for thou being Christ our God art he which art the offerer and art offred which art he that doest receiue and art distributed Thus much haue I done for you M. Watson to helpe to saue your credit least some of your friendes should begin to mislyke with you for cyting matter that is no where to be found For though your father Chrysostomes wordes vpon Basil they can beare with you well ynough Yea though you doe racke them a little to serue your purpose Chrysostomes and Basils iudgement can not
not any inconuenience at all to holde that the substaunce of bread and wine doth still remayne in the Sacrament Yet one other thing I must néedes note that in all this adoe that you make about this effect of the sacrament you speake not one worde of the fleshe of Christ but altogither of his bloud These wordes This is my bloud must be the forme of our sacrament c. But in the next effect I trust you will speake as much of the fleshe as you haue done nowe of the bloud and so make vs a mendes for all WATSON Diuision 21. Lucae 24. Another effect of this sacrament is taught vs in S. Luke the 24. Chapter of his Gospell Where our Sauiour Christ sate downe with his two Disciples that went to Emaus and taking bread blessed it and brake it and gaue it to them And then their eyes were opened August de consensu Euangelestarum libr. 3. ca. 25. Theophiloct in Lucam cap. 24. and they knew him Saint Austen in his booke De consensu Euangelistarum teacheth vs to vnderstande this place of the blessed bread which is the sacrament of the aultar and sayth the effect of it is to open our eies that we may knowe God And Theophiloctus vpon this place of saint Luke wryteth this Insinuatur aliud quiddam nempe quod oculi eorum qui benedictum panem assumunt aperiuntur vt agnoscant illum Magnam enim indicibilem vim habet caro Domini By this scripture another thing is giuen vs to vnderstande that the eyes of them which receyue this blessed bread be opened that they might knowe him for the fleshe of our Lorde hath a great and vnspeakable vertue Here we maye perceyue both by the scripture and also by the holy Doctors and fathers that the effect of this sacrament is the opening of our eyes to knowe God And that the cause of that is the fleshe of Christ which is our sacrament and in no wise can be eyther bread or wine CROWLEY Watsō seketh vauntage by translating First you Englishe the wordes of saint Luke after your owne maner to make a shewe of the crossing that is vsed in the Popishe Masse Taking bread he blessed it c. As though the blessing had bene the making of the signe of the crosse vpon or ouer the bread for so the Popishe Priestes vse to blesse their bread and Cup in their Masse but if it would haue serued for your purpose to haue translated otherwise you coulde haue founde occasion enough in the circumstaunce of the text to haue sayde thus Taking bread he gaue thankes brake it and gaue it to them For it was his common maner to giue thankes to God his heauenly father at the beginning of euery refection And none did then vse to blesse by making the signe of the crosse as your Papistes doe nowe wherefore it is manifest that our Sauiour Christ did not vse it eyther at that time or any other Howe rightly you gather the meaning of saint Austen in the place that you cite shall appéere by his owne wordes in the same place which are these Pro merito quippe mentis corum ad huc ignorantis quod oportebat Christum mori resurgere simele quiddam eorum oculi passi sunt non veritate fallente sed ipsis veritatem percipere non valentibus aliud quam res est opinantibus ne quisquam se Christum agnouisse arbitretur si eius corporis particeps non est id est Ecclesiae Cuius vnitatem in sacramento panis commendat Apostolus dicens Vnus panis vnum corpus multi sumus vt cum eis benedictum panem porrigeret aperirentur oculi corum agnoscerent eum Aperientur vtique ad eius cognitionem remoto silicet impedimento quo tenebantur ne eum agnoscerent Neque enim clausis oculis ambulabant sed incrat aliquid quo non sinebantur agnoscere quod videbant quod silicet caligo vel aliquis humor efficere solet For according to the deseruing of their minde which was as yet ignoraunt that it behoued Christ to die and rise againe their eyes did suffer some such thing not being deceyued by the truth but they themselues not being able to perceyue the truth supposing the thing to be otherwise then it was least any man should thinke that he knoweth Christ not being partaker of his body that is of his Church The vnitie whereof the Apostle doth set forth in the sacrament of bread saying we being manye are but one bread and one bodye that when he should giue vnto them the blessed bread their eyes might be opened and they know him That they might be opened to know him the let whereby they were holden that they should not know him being taken away For they walked not with their eyes shut vp but there was something in them whereby they were kept from knowing that which they sawe Which thing is accustomed to come to passe by the meanes of some daseing or humor Now let all indifferent readers iudge whether S. Austens purpose in this place None can knowe God but such as be members of Christ be to teach vs that the opening of our eyes that we maye know God be the effect of the sacrament of the altar Or whether his purpose be rather to teache that none can knowe God but such as be members of his body that is of the number of his Church the vnitie whereof is set forth in the sacramentall bread And therefore the two Disciples being members of that Church that is Christes body had the blindnesse of their vnderstanding taken away at the breaking of bread And so they knewe Christ whome before they knewe not As for the wordes that you cite out of Theophilacte doe rather make against you then with you For where your purpose is to proue as you conclude that the sacrament is neyther bread nor wine Theophilacte doth euen in the same wordes that you cite call it the blessed bread But this is to be noted how craftily you can make one sentence of two leauing out the Periodus or full point One of Watsons shiftes that in Theophilacts owne workes standeth betwene illum and Magnam And bicause you would not haue your reader to looke for any Periodus there you make no point at all in your printed Copie nor any signe of pawse But the translator of the Author hath set it thus Vt agnoscant illum Magnam enim indicibilem vim habet caro Domini Euanuit autem ab eis neque enim ad huc habebat corpus quod multum corporali modo cum eis conuersaretur vt ex hoc illorum cresceret desyderium c. So that the whole might be englished thus Another thing also is giuen vs to vnderstande that is that the eyes of them that doe receyue the blessed bread are opened that they might know him For the fleshe of the Lord hath an vnspeakable power For it vanished
pledge is giuen For in that sense is Symbolum taken here And vnlesse you can proue that these be efficient causes you shal neuer prooue that our immortalitie and resurrection be the effects thereof The lyke may be sayde to the Conseruatorium ad immortalitatem aeternae vitae A conserue or a thing that preserueth our bodies to the immortalitie of eternall life But bicause it is your custome to cite matter in such sort that the true meaning of the Author can not be perceyued by the wordes that you cite I will let the reader sée all the wordes that Athanasius doth in that place write of that matter Sed proptered ascensionis suae in caelum mentionem secit Athanasius De p ccato in spiritum sanctum vt eos a corporali intellectu abstraheret ac deinde carnem suam de qua locutus erat cibum è supernis caelestem spiritualem alimoniam ab ipso donandam intelligerent Quae enim locutus sum vibis inquit spiritus est vita Quod perinde est acsi deceret Corpus meum quod ostenditur dâ—tur pro mundo in cibum dabiâ—ur vt sparitualiter vnicuique tâ—â—buatur fiat singulis tutamen praeseruatioque ad Resurrectionem vitae aeternae Ita quâ—que Samaritanam abstrahens Dominus a rebus sensibilibus Deum esse spiritum pronuntiauit vt deinceps illa non corporalia sed spiritualia de Deo cogitaret But for this cause did he make mention of his ascention into heauen that he might drawe them away from the bodily vnderstanding and that they might afterwarde vnderstand his fleshe whereof he had spoken to be foode from aboue heauenly and spirituall nourishment and such as he must giue For sayth he that which I haue spoken vnto you is spirite and lyfe Which is as much as if he should say My body which is showed and giuen for the world shall be giuen to be meat that it may be spiritually giuen to euerye man and that it maye be to eche man a defence and preseruation vnto the resurrection of eternall lyfe In like maner also drawing the Samaritish womaÌ„ from sensible things the Lorde affirmed that God is a spirite that from thence forth she should not think of God as of corporall things but as of things spirituall Now let the indifferent reader iudge how faithfully you haue vsed your selfe in alledging the saying of this auncient Father His grounde is the wordes of Christ in the sixt of Iohn Where speaking of the eating of his body he sayth It is the spirite that doth giue lyfe the fleshe profiteth nothing at all The words that I haue spoken vnto you are spirite and lyfe Which is sayth Athanasius as much as if he should say My body which is showed and giuen for the world shall be giuen to be foode that it may spiritually be giuen to euery man and that vnto eche man it may be made a defence and preseruation to the resurrection of eternall lyfe And to make his meaning playne Athanasius sayth that Christ made mention of his ascention into heauen that he might draw his hearers from the bodily vnderstanding And further he sayth that our sauiour talking with the Samaritish woman did draw hir from sensible things affirming that God is a spirit that so she might imagine no corporal thing to be in God but al spiritual I can not therefore but thinke that such as will ioyne with you in alledging this place to proue immortalitie and euerlasting lyfe to be the effect of the sacrament of Christes body and bloud are by obstinate wylfulnesse blinded as you doe shewe your selfe to be For it is as manifest as the cleare sunne light that his meaning was to disproue the grosse opinion of all such as imagine The meaning of Athanasius that Christ should giue his fleshe to fill the bellies of men And to teach that such as will benefite by eating of his body must eate the same spiritually and not carnally And that when it is spiritually eaten it is Tutamen praeseruatioque ad resurrectionem vitae aeternae A defence and preseruation vnto the resurrection of eternall life But this is not to teach that it is the efficient cause of our immortalitie and resurrection as you labor by this other places to proue But nowe let vs sée what you haue founde in Ireneus that was a great deale older then Athanasius He hath sayde Quomodo dicunt carnem c. By what reason doe they saye that our fleshe goeth wholy to corruption seing that it is nourished with the body and bloud of our Lorde This place of Ireneus is sufficiently opened before in the aunswere to that which you haue sayde of the first circumstaunce of the sacrament which is who it was that spake these words This is my body c and is playnely proued not to make any thing for your purpose eyther there or here Yet we haue not sayde any thing to that other place which you cite out of the fift booke of this Ireneus where he sayth Ireneus li. 5. Quomodo carnem negant capacem esse c. How doe they denie c. I might put you in remembraunce of that which Erasmus wryteth concerning his iudgement of the authoritie of this booke for I am sure you can tell that he hath written thus Censura Eras Roterodami In hoc quinto libro quum multa scripturarum loca diligenter explicentur quaedam tamen insunt quae nisi quis comode interpretetur non satis congruere videntur cum bis dogmatibus quae hoc tempore praescribit Ecclesia Where as in this fift Booke there be many places of Scripture diligently expounded yet are there certaine things in it which vnlesse a man doe well interpret doe not séeme to agrée verie well with those doctrines that at this time the Church doth prescribe Auncient writers must be read with fauour c. And afterwarde he sayth Sed in huiusmodi multis veteres illi cum candore nonnunquam cum venia legendi sunt c. But in many such things those auncient wryters must be read with fauour and sometime with pardon also But be it that Erasmus had not giuen vs this warning is there not warning ynough giuen vs in the wordes of the place it selfe to looke well to the wryters meaning You doe according to your custome cite those wordes onely which may at the first sight make some shewe of that you would proue by them But according to my custome I will let the reader sée the whole circumstaunce that he may be able to iudge which of vs both goeth most nigh to the meaning of the writer His wordes be these Vani autem omnimòdo qui vniuersam dispositionem Dei contemnunt carnis salutem negant regenerationem eius spernunt dicentes non cam capacem esse incorruptibilitatis Sic autem secundum haec videlicet nec Dominus sanguine suo redemit
heades that shot them to the glorie of almightie God who by hys heauenly prouidence can so dispose the malice of a fewe that it turne to the staye and commoditie of the whole that the elect by such conflictes may be awaked from their slepe may be more confirmed in all truth and may be more vigilant and ware in learning and obseruing the lawe of God to whom be all glorye and praise worlde without ende Amen When you haue done all that you are able in wresting and wringing of scriptures and Doctors CROWLEY for the proufe of that thing which you say is so playne then you bragge as though you could doe much more were it not the the matter is so plaine of it self that it should be but more then néedeth to stand any longer in it A good point of Rhetorick such as must néedes perswade such hearers as cannot be perswaded that any of the Popes Clarkes can erre But you haue yet one point of Rhetorick which passeth all the rest And therefore you haue kept it to the last place that it may leaue the stinges and prickes of eloquence in the mindes of your hearers If you did but make rehearsall of the bare names that the Authors giue to the sacrament you should proue manifestly that it were the verie body and bloud of Christ and not bread and wine And first you beginne with Ignatius who calleth it the medicine of immortalitie Ignatius ad Ephesios c. To this I haue alreadie aunswered in the .24 Diuision of this Sermon and therefore néede not to trouble the reader with further aunswere Dionisius Areopagita Eras contr Parisienses And Dionisius Areopagita calleth it the sacrifice of oure saluation This must néedes perswade all your hearers For this Dionisius was saint Paules Scholer if a man may beléeue that which you tell vs. But Erasmus and dyuers other learned and of graue iudgement do think that it could not be that Dionisius that wrote the Ecclesiastical Hierarchie But graunt it were euē he that is mencioned in the Actes what should it help your purpose that he calleth the sacrament the sacrifice of saluation Hath not Saint Austen to Bonifacius Epist 23. tolde you the reason why such names are giuen to the sacraments Yea doth not the same Dionisius in the same Chapter that you cite call the same sacrament by these names holy bread and the Cup of blessing holye signes comfortable signes signes whereby Christ is signified and receyued Capit. 3. most holy signes heauenly sacraments holy mysteries c And doth he not call the whole action of the ministration of the same by the names of Communion or societie Synaxis or gathering togither and the holy supper If that one name be of force to make it the verie body and bloud of Christ then let the other names be able to make it bread and wine c. Apolog. 2. Iustinus Martyr also sayth that it is the flesh of Iesus incarnate I must tel you that you doe not report his words aright He sayth thus Iesu Christi eius qui homo fastus est carnem sanguinem esse accepimus We haue heard that it is the flesh bloud of that Iesus Christ that became man Not manye lynes before he sayth Postea quam is qui praeest gratias egit populus omnis benedixit i◠qui apud nos Diaconi dicuntur dant vnicuique qui adsunt percipiendum Panem vinum aquam quae cum gratiarum actione consecrata sunt ad eos qui absunt perferunt And after that he which is the chiefe hath giuen thankes and all the whole people haue blessed those that with vs are called Deacons doe giue to euery one that is present bread wine and water which are by the thankes gyuing consecrated to be receyued and doe carie of the same to those that be absent I report me to your friends whether Iustinus ment in this place to teache or whither it may iustly be gathered of his words that the sacrament that you speake of is neither bread nor wine Origene is much beholden to you In Math. homil 25. for you teach him to giue moe names to the sacrament then he hath written in his Homilies You note in the margine the fift Homilie vpon Mathew wherein he speaketh not one word of that sacrament But by like you would haue noted the .25 Homilie where he speaketh of it but farre otherwise then you report both in wordes and meaning And vpon Luke in the place that you note he sayth thus Nos si tantas Domini nostri opes In Lucam homil 38. tantam sermonis suppellectilem abundantiam doctrinarum non libenter amplectimur si non comedimus panem vitae si non carnibus Christi vescimur cruore potamur si contemnimus dapes Saluatoris nostri scire debemus quod habeat Deus benignitatem seueritatem If we doe not wyllingly embrace so great riches of our Lorde so great store of his worde and abundaunce of doctrine if we doe not eate the bread of lyfe if we eate not the fleshe of Christ nor drinke his bloud if we despise the delicate dishes of our Sauiour we ought to knowe that God hath both louing mercy and seuere iustice Whether these words doe proue that the sacrament is the very reall body and bloud of Christ and neyther bread nor wine let your holy father the Pope himselfe be iudge if he be such a one as hath the vse of reason Howe the names that Cyprian gyueth to this sacrament may proue your assertion may well appeare to all such as shall reade that which I haue before aunswered Cyprian De Caena Concilium Nicenum to that which you haue cyted out of his Sermon De Caena The great generall counsell at Nice doe call it the Lambe of God c. So doe we so farre forth as a sacrament may haue the name of that thing wherof it is a sacrament Optatus libro 6. Optatus sayth Quid tam sacrilegum c. What is more sacriledge c. Your olde slight must be vsed still Such wordes as may open the meaning of the writer must be slyly slipt ouer He had to doe with Parmenian and the rest of the Donatists And in the beginning of his sixt booke agaynst them he wryteth thus Indubitanter liquido demonstratum est in diuinis sacramentis quid nefarie feceritis c. Vndoubtedly it is playnely set forth to be séene what you haue wickedly wrought in the sacramentes of God Nowe must we shewe those things which you are not able to denie that you haue done cruelly and folishly For what is so great sacriledge as to breake scrape and set aside the aultars of God vpō which you your selues also did sometime offer on which the vowes of the people and the members of Christ are borne where God almightie is called vpon and whither the holy ghost being earnestly desired
and haue assured me That is to saye that the bread and wine which are set on the aultar are not onely a sacrament after the consecration but also the very body and bloud of our Lorde Iesus Christ that not onely the sacrament but the body of Christ in déede is sensibly handled and broken by the priestes handes and grounds with the téeth of the faythfull The homely glose vpon the same place doth so mislike with this recantation of Berrengarius or rather the decrée of the Synode A pretie recantation that he sayth thus Nisi sane intelligas verba Berrengarij in maiorem incides haeresim quam ille habuit Except a man doe warsly vnderstande the wordes of Berrengarius he shall fall into a greater heresie then euer Berrengarius helde any The Pope and the whole Synode doe decree an heresie By this it is manifest euen by the writer of this glose that Pope Nicholas and the whole Synode at Rome did decrée and teach to be holden and enforce Berrengarius to confesse a greater heresie then euer he helde before And howe doth this proue the consent of your Popishe Church in condemning of heresies For the condemnation of Wyckliefe in the counsell of Constance I referre the reader as before And your owne Lirinensis will not take your part in this matter For he was deade many hundred yeres before Berrengarius was borne But I am glad that you haue now found that there may be great treasure of good learning in sixe penie bookes Sixe penie bookes I trust you will not now denie but there may be some good learning in books of halfe the price WATSON Diuision 16 Against the blessed Masse which is the sacrifice of the Church many wordes of many men haue bene sayde but sufficient reprofe of it hath not yet bene heard Here the prayer was made Scriptures neuer one was yet alledged against it sauing one out of the Epistle to the Hebrues where saint Paule wryteth Hebr. 9. that Christ entred into heauen by his owne bloud once and afterward he sayth Christ was once offered vp to take awaye the sinnes of many and all the argument consisteth in this worde once which I shall God wylling discusse hereafter But in very deede that same scripture that they bring against the Masse to no purpose is the verye foundation of the Masse wherevpon the Masse is builded and established after what sort I shall declare as time will serue Howe sufficient proofes haue bene brought against the Masse CROWLEY shall easily appéere to as many as will reade that which Byshop Iewell hath written for an aunswere to your friende Maister Harding And some sufficient proofes may be séene in this that I haue aunswered to your two notable sermons One scripture onely you say hath bene hitherto alledged against your Masse Bylike you haue not séene Iohn Caluines Institutions Where in the fourth booke and .xviij. Chapter he alledgeth more then foure places of scripture against it Thrée out of the first Epistle to the Corinths Manye proofes against the Masse one out of Saint Iohns Gospell the .19 Chapter and the same text that you take for the theme of your two Sermons But what should we make reconing of a multitude of places sith one alledged in the true meaning is sufficient But you haue promised to proue that one place which is alledged against your Masse to be the foundation of the same Which when you shall go about to doe I wyll God wylling proue that no such building can stand vpon such foundation Lyke as there is one God the father WATSON Diuision 17 Ephes 1. Hebr. 7.9 and 10. one Christ our redeemer one body and Church which is redeemed so there is but one onely sacrifice whereby we be redeemed which was once and neuer but once made vpon the aultar of the Crosse for the sinnes of all men 1. Iohn 8. This sacrifice is propitiatorie and a sufficient price and raunsome of the whole world as saint Iohn sayth he is the propitiation for our sinnes and not for our sinnes onely but for the sinnes of the whole worlde Iohn 1. and in his Gospell he wryteth Beholde the Lambe of God that taketh awaye the sinnes of the worlde The vertue of this sacrifice beganne when God promised that the seede of Adam should bruse and breake the Serpents head Genes 3. without the merit of this sacrifice there is no saluation 2. Cor. 5. for God was in Christ reconcyling the world to himselfe This sacrifice is common to both the Testaments wherof both take their effect whose vertue is extended from the beginning of the worlde to the last ende Apoc. 13. for the Lambe was slaine from the beginning of the world as saint Iohn sayth It is also a bloudy and a passible sacrifice extending to the death of him that offered himselfe Galath 3. and it was promised to the fathers and performed in the fulnesse of time the merites whereof receaue no augmentation because it is perfite nor yet diminution because it is eternall And although this sacrifice be sufficient to saue all men yet it is not effectuall to the saluation of all men it is able to saue all but yet all be not saued for what doth it profite the Turkes Saracenes vnfaithfull Gentils and counterfeyt christians The fault is not in God being mercifull to all his workes who created vs without vs but the fault is in our selues CROWLEY Watson can speake truth If all the rest of your two Sermons had bene according to this péece I would not haue misliked with you For I confesse all this to be most true WATSON Diuision 18. Therefore that this sacrifice of Christ as it is sufficient for all so it may be effectuall and profitable for all God hath ordeyned certaine meanes whereby wee may be made able to receaue the merite of it and whereby the vertue of it is brought and applyed vnto vs in the new testament after his passion as it was to the fathers in the olde testament before his passion Of these meanes some be inwarde some be outward the inward be common to both the testaments of which the first and principall is fayth for without faith it is not possible to please God and as saint Iohn sayth he that beleeueth not Hebr. 11. Iohn 3. is nowe alreadye iudged to hym therefore that is an Infidell Chryst hath dyed in vayne Charitie also is a meane 1. Iohn 3. 1. Iohn 2. 1. Cor. 13. for he that loueth not remayneth in death he that hateth his brother is in darkenesse and walketh in darkenesse and can not tell whether he goeth and if I haue all fayth and haue no charitie I am nothing He is not therfore partaker of Christs merites in the remission of sinne that lacketh charitie And so may we say of hope without the which no man receaueth mercye at Christs hande It is true that you say
disprooue it by better authoritie then the iudgement of the Baker Saint Austen sayth Nam nos hodiè accepimus visibilem cibum sed aliud est sacramentum aliud est virtus sacramenti For euen this day we haue receyued visible foode but the sacrament is one thing and the vertue of the sacrament is another thing Againe the same Austen sayth Omnis doctrina vel rerum est vel signorum sed res per signa discuntur De doctrina Christ li. 1. Capit. 1. All doctrine is either of things or of the signes of things but things are learned by signes By this it appeareth that Austens iudgement was not that a signe coulde be the same thing whereof it is a signe But what néede I to trouble the reader with so many wordes about this matter so many as do know what the Art of reasoning meaneth euen the children at the vniuersitie can tell that Relatiues are called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is referred to somewhat because they be alwayes referred to another thing then they are themselues As a father is a father in respect of that sonne whom he hath begotten and can not be that sonne whose father he is Euen so a signe is called a signe in respect of that thing whereof it is a signe and can not be that selfe thing that is signified by it The Baker therefore that taught you to say The Baker was not prētise in the Vniuersitie that the lofe vpon the stall is the same bread that is to be solde whereof it is a signe hath not bene brought vp in any Bakers house in the vniuersitie for if he had he would neuer haue deceyued you so But that both Bakers and Bruers and all other that haue the vse of reason may iudge of the foolishnesse of our reason I will let the Reader sée it in wryting It is thus Whatsoeuer thinges be such as they are called by hauing relation to other things then they be themselues can not be those things wherevnto they haue relation But euery thing that is called a signe is so by the relation that it hath to the thing that it signifieth Ergo no signes can be the same things that they do signifie Wherof our conclusion foloweth which is that the sacrament of Christes bodie and bloud being a signe therof can not be the thing it selfe Now aske your Baker what he can say to this reason The place that you alledge out of Austen is aunswered in the .29 August lib. Sent. Prosp Contr. Faust li. 20 cap. 18. diuision of this sermon and in the .28 diuision of the same sermon is aunswered the other place that you alledge out of the same Austen also To Gregorie and the reast you shall looke for aunswere when you cite their wordes that we may weigh them They say that neyther the Apostles nor none in their time did offer Christs body in sacrifice WATSON Diuision 33. And yet I haue shewed you before that Dionisius Areopagita saint Paules Disciple of whome mention is made in the .17 chapiter of the Actes of the Apostles did offer the sacrifice of Christes body alledging Christes commaundement for his warrant Ireneus that lyued within fiftie yere of saint Iohn the Euangelist and Policarpus Scholer doth make mention of this offering saying Ireneus li. 4. cap. 34. Ecclesiae oblatio quam Dominus docuit offerri in vniuerso mundo purum sacrificium reputatum est apud Deum acceptum est ei The oblation of the church which our Lorde taught to be offered in the whole worlde is reputed of God a pure sacrifice and acceptable to him And in the same chapter confuting them that denied the immortalitie of the fleshe by this reason that our fleshe was nourished with Christes fleshe to eternall lyfe concludeth thus Aut sententiam mutent aut abstineant offerendo quae praedicta sunt eyther let them chaunge their opinion or else absteine from offering the same body and bloud of Christ we spake of Also the generall counsell of Constantinople sayth that saint Iames did write the forme of a Masse Concil Const in trul cap. 32 I omit the Latine the wordes in Englishe be thus faithfully translate Saint Iames brother to Christ our God according to the fleshe to whome the church of Hierusalem was first committed and Basilius which was Byshop of Caesarea whose fame is knowne throughout the worlde which deliuered in wryting the mysticall celebration of the sacrifices haue declared that the cup in our holy ministery ought to be of water and wine mingled And the holy fathers that were assembled at Carthage haue thus left in wryting that in the sacrifices nothing else be offered but the body and bloud of our Lorde as oure Lord himself hath ordeyned and so foorth I neuer read saint Iames his booke my selfe nor I thinke it be not nowe to be had but I tell you so much as I knowe that saint Iames did write the forme of a Masse as saint Basill did which we haue in Greeke nowe If this great and learned generall counsell doth truely report as I beleeue doth Let no man therefore beleue them that say the Apostles did not sacrifice themselues nor none in their time except they can proue the negatiue which they shall neuer doe To that which you haue alledged out of Dionisius CROWLEY I haue answered in the last diuision of your former sermon and in the .23 diuision of this sermon And the matter that you doe here alledge out of Ireneus is sufficiently aunswered in the fourth the fourtenth and twentie foure diuisions of your former sermon Wherfore I néede not here to make any further aunswere Where you finde the Latine that you doe so faythfullye translate into Englishe I can not tell De Consecra Dist 1. But I suppose it wyll be hard for you to finde it in the counsell holden in Trullo as you note in the Margine In Gratian I finde it thus cyted out of the sixt Synode Iacobus frater Domini secundum carnem cui primum credita est Hierosolimitana Ecclesia Basilius Caesariensis Episcopus cuius charitas per totum orbem refulsit in scripturis addiderunt nobis missae celebrationem Which is in Englishe as you haue translated sauing that for whose loue you say whose fame and adde mysticall where as in the Latine there is no word that may so signifie Chaunge is no robbery And turning the Verbe haue giuen in wryting into the Participle of the same Verbe you adde to the end haue declared that the cup. c. Of this forme of Masse as you terme it and of the other that you name I haue noted somewhat in mine aunswere to the ninth diuision of your former sermon And where as you say that you had not as then read it nor did thinke that it was to be had I haue read it and haue it to shewe And amongst other things I note that he maketh prayer for
instituted and commaunded to be offered in remembrance of thy charitie that is to say of thy death and passion for our health and saluation for the dayly reparation of our fraile weakenesse Doth he not here shewe the ende of the oblation to saue vs and to repayre our frayltie Saint Hierome writeth Si laicis imperatur vt propter orationem abstineant ab vxoribus Hierony in Cap. 1. ad Titum quid de episcopo sentiendū est qui quotidie pro suis populique peccatis illibatas deo oblaturus est victimas If it be commaunded to the lay men that for prayers cause they should absteyne from their wyues what should we thinke of a Byshop that must offer daylie pure sacrifices for his owne sinnes and the peoples Of this place though I might prooue you the chast lyfe of a Byshop yet I bring it in now onely to showe that the office of a Byshop is to offer daylie pure sacrifice for hys owne sinnes and the peoples sinnes as saint Basill sayth in the booke of his Masse Da domine vt pro nostris peccatis populi ignorantij acceptum sit sacrificium nostrum Graunt O Lorde that for our sinne Basilius in Missa and the ignoraunce of the people our sacrifice may be accepted of thee Thus ye perceaue that I haue shewed you and proued that the oblation of the priest in the Masse is a sacrifice propitiatorie for the sinnes of them that be aliue that is to say moouing and prouoking God to pardon the sinnes of the priest and of the people A little is to be sayde concerning them that be departed and then an ende of that matter Tertull. eorum millit Tertullian sayth Oblationes pro defunctis pro natalitijs annua die facimus We make euery yere oblations for the dead and for the birth dayes of Martyrs which be the dayes they suffered their martyrdome Athanasius sayth Intelligimus animas peccatorum participare aliqua beneficentia abexangui immolatione Athanasius ad antiochiū quest 34. We vnderstande that the soules of sinners doe receyue some benefite of the vnbloudy oblation and of almose done for them as he onely hath ordeyned and commaunded that hath power both of quick and dead Our God Ambros de obitis Valen. And saint Ambrose exhorteth the people to pray for the soule of Valentinian the Emperour for whome he did offer the sacrifice of Christes body Chrysostome sayth Non frustra sancitum est ab apostolis vt in celebratione venerandorum mysteriorum memoria fiat eorum Chrysost ho. 3. ad philippenses qui hinc discesserunt noucrunt illis multum hinc emolumenti fieri c. It was not in vaine ordeyned of the Apostles that in the celebration of the honorable misteries there should memory be made of them that were departed hence For they knewe much profite much commoditie to come to them thereby Chrysost hom 41. in 1. Cor. 15. And in an other Homily he sayth in this maner in Englishe A sinner is departed surely it becommeth vs to bee glad that his sinnes be stopped and not increased and to labour as much as we can to release him not with weping but with prayer In Act. ho. 21. supplications almose and sacrifices For that was not ordeyned in vaine nor we doe not in vayne in our holy misteries celebrate the memory of the dead and make intercession for them to the Lambe that lyeth there which taketh away the sinnes of the worlde but that some comfort may thereby come to them Is not this very playne and that it is not a thing newe inuented but a doctrine taught and vsed in the Church euer since Christ and ordeyned so to be done by the Apostles themselues August con li. 4. cap. 12. Saint Augustine sayth in his booke of confessions that the sacrifice of our price which is Christes owne naturall body was offered for his mothers soule after she was dead And he sayth also De cura pro mortuis ca. 1. In Machabeorum libris legimus oblatum pro mortuis sacraficium Sed si nunquà m in scripturis veteribus omnino legeretur non parua hac consuetudine claret authoritas vbi in praecibus Sacerdotis quae Domino Deo ad eius altare funduntur locum suum habet etiam commendatio mortuorum In the Bookes of the Machabes we read that there was sacrifice offred for the dead But although in the olde scriptures there were no such thing read yet there appereth no small authoritie in this custome that amongs the prayers of the priest which are made to our Lorde God at his aultar the commendation and prayer for the dead hath also his place Marke well that he sayth it was an olde custome in the Church for priests in their Masse to pray for the dead in his time which is aboue .1130 yere ago And that the custome of the Church in this point is of sufficient authoritie to proue this matter though there were no scripture for it at al and yet he himselfe alledgeth the booke of Machabes for it the place is knowne well ynough He teacheth vs the same thing wryting vppon saint Iohn August in Ioan. Tract 84. Ideo ad ipsam mensam non sic cos commemoramus quemadmodum alios qui in pace requiescunt vt etiam pro eis oremus sed magis vt orent ipsi pro nobis vt eorum vestigijs inhereamus c. talia enim suis fratribus exhibuerunt qualia de Domini mensa acceperunt Therefore at the very table of the aultare we doe not so remember the martyrs as we doe other other that rest in peace that we pray for them But rather that they should pray for vs that we might folow their footesteps For they haue giuē such things for their brethren as they haue receiued from our Lords table Here is both prayer to saints and for the dead in the Masse Thus ye see how Christes body is offered for the dead after what maner it auayleth them Saint Augustine also teacheth saying thus When the sacrifices eyther of the aultare or of any almose be offered for the deade that were baptised for the verye good men August Euchirid Cap. 109. they bee gyuing of thankes for not verye euill men they bee propitiations for verye euill men although they be no reliefe of the dead yet they be certaine comforts of them that be aliue And to them they profite they profite to this ende eyther that they should haue full remission or at least that they should haue more tolerable damnation In this authoritie is expressed the plaine worde of propitiatory how that the sacrifice of the aultar is a propitiation for such soules as be not very euill or very good towarde that teyning of full remission or of more tolerable damnation If I should recite as much as I coulde bring in for this point at large it is not one or two houres that would
néedes enforce vs to allow your conclusion wherein you say that it is plaine that they did sacrifice c. I pray you let it be knowne to the world in what order they did sacrifice If they vsed that Liturgie that is set forth in Chrysostomes name they must néeds haue company to communicate with them for it is a communion and not a priuate Masse and therfore could not be executed by one alone but by many which must all by that order be partakers and afterward call the people to be partakers with these words Cum Dei timore accedite With the feare of God come hither Such patches you pull out of that Liturgie and mingle them with your matter as though Chrysostome had written them in hys Homilies And then you put a case not worth the debating Patched ware may not be allowed For we speak not of two or thrée communicants but of as many as be instructed in Christ and ought of duetie to resort to one particuler congregation and be not for their vngodlye lyfe excommunicated And when we apply these words of Chrysostome Non es hostia dignus vel cōmunione igitur nec oratione Thou art not worthy of the sacrifice or communion therefore neyther of the prayer we doe not take Chrysostome otherwise then he ment because we vnderstande not the distinction c. But in applying the wordes that folow you shewe your selfe not to vnderstande Chrysostomes maner of speaking Adstantem audis praeconem atque dicentem Watson vnderstandeth not Chrysostomes maner of speaking quotquot estis c. Thou hearest the Beadle that is present making proclamation and saying As many of you as be penitents pray euerye one of you And whosoeuer be not partakers are penitents These wordes he speaketh as imagining that he which would be present and not communicate would séeke to iustifie his disorderly and shamelesse doing by the wordes of the Beadle spoken to the penitents in the time when the hole Church prayeth for them before the ministration of the sacrament But he aunswereth him in fewe wordes saying Quid stas si es in paenitentia Why taryest thou if thou be a penitent Agayne he imagineth another obiection and sayth Sumere non debes qui namque non communicat est ex paenitentibus Thou wilt say saith Chrysostome thou oughtest not to receyue for he that doth not communicate is of the penitents But Chrysostome doth answere him sharply and sayth Cur itaque dicit abite qui non potestis orare Tu verò stas impudens Why then doth the Beadle say you that may not pray get you hence But thou being without shame doest stand still Thus it is manifest that we take Chrysostome right and that you vnderstand him not Although you would séeme to haue slept vpon Chrysostomes graue and to haue séene in a dreame the seuerall places that were in his Church The Clarkes in the Chauncell c. I knowe that prayer is a meane to make a man worthy to communicate and therefore neyther Chrysostome nor I will forbid any to pray But if any will shamelessely be present when the communion of Christes body and bloud is in ministring and will not be partaker but alledge his owne vnworthynesse we will tell him and that truely that he is not worthy to call God his father among the children of God in common prayer if he be not worthy to be partaker of the ghostly foode that God hath prepared for his children The counsell of Nice hath not decréed that such as recouer after they haue in extremitie of sicknesse receyued the Communion of the bodye and bloude of Christ Concilium Nicenum Capit. 12. shall afterwarde communicate in prayer at the time of the ministration of the holye communion wherefore their decrée doth not make Chrysostomes wordes to sounde as you vnderstande and haue declared them For that other argument that you say is vnlearned procéedeth of ignoraunce you séeke a lewde and vnlearned solution procéeding of wylfull blindnesse That which you cite out of Chrysostome and Cyprian I haue sufficiently aunswered in mine aunswere to the .25 diuision of your former Sermon Chrysost in 1. Cor. ho. 24. Cyprian De Caena Where the reader may sée what wylfull blindnesse it is that enforceth you to go about to disproue the reason that we make of the Etymologie of the worde Communion by that which Chrysostome and Cyprian haue written And in applying the place of Dionisius you deale as you did in the .23 diuision of this sermon folowing that corrupt translation that beareth no name It shall be hard for you I thinke to finde in any good Author 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 vsed in that signification that you doe here vse it Dionisius hath sayde 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ex veritati factorum Of the truth of the doings So that this place is playne against your purpose when it is truely translated out of the Gréeke Because in the vse of this sacrament there is a common receyuing Dionisius sayth that the sacred wisedome of the priestes hath giuen it a name according to the truth of the doings in the vse of it and haue called it communion But when you take paines to note this place of Dionisius for your purpose Watson could not turne ouer the leafe I maruayle that you coulde not turne ouer the leafe and looke vpon this saying of the same Dionisius Post haec extra Delubrum Catechumini fiunt cum ipsis Energumeni hi quoque qui in paenitentia sunt manent autem intus soli qui diuino spectaculo communione sunt digni After those things that is after the psalmes be song and the scriptures read they that be learners of the christen religion are put out of the temple and with them they that are vexed with Deuils and they also that be penitents and they onely doe tarie within which are worthy of the heauenly sight and communion By these words of Dionisius is made plaine how well you vnderstood the wordes of Chrysostome that you declared before and how well the other words of Dionisius doe serue for your purpose This argument of communion was neuer heard of in the worlde before Martyne Luther WATSON Diuision 43 who was the first father of it and the first man that euer wrote against priuate Masses as he calleth them And where learned Luther that lesson euen of the deuill not because all euill commeth by the suggestion of the deeuill but I meane that Luther had a vision of the deuill and saw him with his corporall eye being waking of whome he learned all that he hath pestilently spoken against the holy Masse And least men should say I lied vpon Luther here in his owne boke Ex crete iudico serue nequam We may iudge him by his owne mouth and his owne hande writing The tytle of his boke is of priuate Masse I shall read you a peece of it that the truth of my saying maye
appeere These be his very woordes I shal make confession before al you reuerende and holy fathers geue me I pray you a good absolution It chaunced me once about midnight sodainely to awake than the Deuill Sathan began with me this disputation Heare said he Doctor Luther very well learned thou knowest thou hast saide priuate Masses .xv. yeres almost daylie What if such priuate Masses be horrible ydolatry what if there were not present the body and bloud of Christ but thou haddest honored onely bread and wine and haddest caused other to honor it to whome I aunswered I am an annoynted priest and haue receyued vnction and consecration of a Byshop haue done all these things by commaundement and obedience of mine elders Why should not I consecrate when I haue pronounced the wordes of Christ and haue said Masse in earnest this thou knowest All thys saide he is true but the Turkes and Gentiles doe likewise all things in their temples of obedience and in earnest The priestes of Hieroboam did all they did of a certain zeale and intent against the true priestes in Hierusalem What if they ordering and consecrating were false as the priestes of the Turkes and Samaritanes were false and their seruice of God false and wicked First said he thou knowest thou haddest than no knowledge of Christ nor true faith and for fayth thou wast no better than a Turke For the Turke and all the Deuils also beleeue the story of Christ that he was borne crucified and dead c. But the Turke and we damned spirites doe not trust to hys mercie nor haue not him for a mediator and sauiour but feare him as a cruell iudge Such a faith and no other haddest thou when thou receauest vnction of the Byshop and all other both they that did annoynt were annoynted thought so and no otherwise of Christ Therfore ye fled from Christ as a cruell iudge to blessed Mary the saints they were mediators betwene you and Christ thus was Christ robbed of his glory thys neyther thou nor no other Papist can denie I would reade more of this booke but for troubling you He that list to knowe what may bee sayde against priuate Masse let him learne here of the Deuill ynough For here is all that hath yet beene sayde of any other and more to The Deuils derlings were ashamed to say halfe so much as their father Sathan least they should be called blasphemous lyers as he is But by this booke Luthers owne confession set forth in print by himselfe to the worlde ye may know that the Deuill was the first that euer barked against the sacrifice of the church which is the Masse knowing that his kingdome of sinne and iniquitie coulde not stande if this sacrifice most aduersarie to it were not defaced and destroyed But what colour had Luther to publishe this shall wee thinke he was so madde as to father that vpon the Deuill that he would haue perswaded for truth to the worlde I shall tell you shortly his fonde deuise in this point as it foloweth fiue or sixe leaues hereafter He sayth he knoweth the Deuill is a lyer but he sayth his lyes be craftie he vseth to alledge a truth which can not be denyed and with that to colour his lye which he perswadeth And therefore sayth he the Deuill lyeth not when he accuseth as that I had committed horrible ydolatrye in saying priuate Masses but the lye is when he did afterward tempt him to dispaire of Gods mercy But sayth Luther I will not dispaire as Iudas dyd but amend that I haue done amisse and neuer say priuate Masse againe O what a cloke of mischiefe is this all grounded of lyes and falshood He sayth the Deuill lyeth not when he accuseth If that be true then he sayde true when he sayde that Luther being a preacher many yeares neuer had true fayth in Christ till he fell from the Masse nor neuer trusted in Christes mercy nor neuer toke him for a sauiour but a cruell iudge Of this the Deuill did accuse him whether he was a lyer herein or no iudge you Also in his accusation he sayde the body and bloud of Christ were not present in the sacrament when such annointed priestes did consecrate and that they honored onely bread and wine with many other damnable lyes and heresies which whoso shall read the booke may finde in great plenty and yet by Luthers principle the deuill neuer lyeth when he accuseth Foure falsehoodes you affirme in lesse then twentie lynes togither of your printed Copie CROWLEY Foure lyes affirmed in lesse then twentie lines togither in this part to conclude withall And so manyfest falsehoodes that scarcely any one of your Auditorie could be so ignorant but that the same must perceyue that you lyed falsely the communion by your owne confession in this Sermon more then once was heard of and vsed euen from the Apostles tyme. For Dionisius Areopagita was saint Paules scholer you say that he speaketh of it in his Hierarchie more then once The action that you call Massing and we priuate Massing was written against by many before it was brought into the Church and by some after it was in vse many yeres before Luther was borne as by Barthram Husse Wycklife and Berrengarius And although it haue pleased Pigghius and such other to blowe abroad this slaunderous lye to the discrediting of all Luthers doctrine as much as in them lyeth and you also to dubbe their lye in the presence of your Prince who could be contented to heare whatsoeuer euill might be reported of that man and such as he was yet there is none that will examine the booke that you speake of but the same shall be inforced to say that it can not iustly be gathered thereof that Luther did eyther sée the Deuill with his bodyly eyes or heare him with his bodily eares But such is the priuiledge of the Popes Prelates when they haue the sworde on their side they may vse all vntruth in perswading the people but especially princes to thinke that all is lyes that the enimies of Antichrists religion haue eyther spoken or written You are bolde therfore to lashe out these thrée lyes before your Prince and to make vp the matter with the fourth affirming that he learned of the Deuill all that he hath spoken against your holy Masse And when you thinke that you haue gotten your selfe some credit in this matter by reading a péece of Luthers booke and leauing of before you come to that wherein his meaning is made plaine you conclude that hereby it may be known that the Deuil was the first that barked against the Masse as against the greatest aduersarie of his kingdome which could not stande vnlesse that aduersarie were defaced and destroyed The diligent reader of this mine aunswere may easily sée howe the Masse hath defaced and destroyed the kingdome of the Deuill in those places where it hath bene most vsed and in those persons