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A07436 A plaine subuersyon or turnyng vp syde down of all the argumentes, that the Popecatholykes can make for the maintenaunce of auricular confession with a moste wholsome doctryne touchyng the due obedience, that we owe vnto ciuill magistrates, made dialogue wyse betwene the prentyse and the priest by Gracyous Menewe. Menewe, Gracious.; Becon, Thomas, 1512-1567, attributed name. 1555 (1555) STC 17822; ESTC S109991 27,582 98

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