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A76289 A briefe ansvver to R.H. his booke, entitled, The true guide, &c. Wherein are occasionally declared and proved by Scripture these particular things following: [brace] first, that the baptisme of water is a distinct baptisme from the baptisme of the spirit. ... Sixthly, in what sense some things related in Scripture are not Scripture, with divers other particulars occasionally spoken of. / By R.B. a well-wisher to the truth, and R.H. R. B., Well-wisher to the truth. 1646 (1646) Wing B159; Thomason E357_2; ESTC R16628 31,113 40

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own_o sense_n as_o i_o have_v declare_v before_o and_o i_o wonder_v how_o he_o dare_v to_o trade_n in_o steal_a water_n and_o to_o eat_v forbid_v fruit_n unless_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o he_o only_o so_o to_o preach_v and_o not_o for_o other_o but_o second_o though_o he_o have_v overthrow_v his_o own_o practice_n he_o have_v not_o yet_o prove_v our_o practice_n to_o be_v either_o steal_a water_n or_o forbid_a fruit_n as_o i_o have_v declare_v already_o upon_o another_o the_o like_a occasion_n whereto_o i_o refer_v and_o whereas_o in_o page_n 11._o he_o be_v large_a in_o his_o amplification_n of_o this_o to_o upbraid_v other_o the_o matter_n there_o be_v convertible_a it_o fit_v r._n h._n himself_o as_o much_o as_o it_o can_v do_v we_o unless_o he_o think_v that_o we_o be_v only_o bind_v to_o have_v and_o show_v love_n towards_o he_o and_o he_o quite_o contrary_a towards_o we_o very_o in_o this_o he_o deal_v just_a like_o the_o pharisee_n mat._n 23._o require_v much_o from_o other_o 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