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A67102 Reason and religion, or, The certain rule of faith where the infallibility of the Roman Catholick Church is asserted, against atheists, heathens, Jewes, Turks, and all sectaries : with a refutation of Mr. Stillingfleets many gross errours / by E.W. E. W. (Edward Worsley), 1605-1676. 1672 (1672) Wing W3617; ESTC R34760 537,937 719

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