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A28899	A defence of the Scriptures, and the Holy Spirit speaking in them, as the chiefe iudge of controversies of faith ... with a vindication of that honour due to magistrates, ministers, and others ... in a relation of a disputation at Chesterfield in the county of Darby, between some ministers of the Gospell and James Naylor, an erring Quaker ... : with some animadversions upon a lying relation of that disputation, published by Iames Nayler / by Immanuel Bourne ...	Bourne, Immanuel, 1590-1672.	1656 (1656)	Wing B3852; ESTC R23281	45,977	64

and holiness and by our own good conversation 1 Pet. 2.15 put to silence the scandals of malicious the ignorance of foolish men that God wil give repentance free pardon in Christ to all our Adversaries who complain of us as contentious because though after long sufferings we seeke in a just and lawfull way to recover our due and just Rights which they unjustly detaine from us desiring if it be the will of God that they may obtaine salvation in the Lord Jesus and be delivered from wrath to come and that one day they may enjoy a happy and peaceable communion with us in glory and to conclude daily powring out my soule to God That the Lord the great Protector of Sion will be pleased to preserve his Highness and Honourable Councell and you my Honourable Lords and the rest of the Honourable Judges Justices Magistrates and other Worthies who are Actors for Piety and Peace to Gods glory and the benefit of these Nations together with this whole Common wealth in Truth Unity and Peace long to continue Most humbly subscribing my selfe Your Honours daily Oratour at the Throne of Grace Immanuel Bourne Pastor of the Church in Ashover London Feb. 26. 1655. A Defence of the Scriptures and of the Holy Spirit of God speaking in them as the chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith c. In a Disputation at Chesterfield in the County of Darby Jan. 3. 1654. FIrst when the Ministers came to the Church or Meeting House-yard Iames Nayler was there with his company but seemed unwilling to goe into the Church or Church-House yet at last went into the lower end and stood there But when Mr Billingsley Minister of Chesterfield began with praier to God for a blessing upon the meeting Nayler and his fellowes went forth againe pretending some plot might be against them But after praier assurance given there was none they came in againe Secondly Mr John Billingsley began to read the Questions But after Nayler read them in the Paper sent to him as I take it and then began to read his Answer in writing and when he had read his Answer to the first Question it was desired that that Question and his Answer to that might be first Argued and so the rest afterwards in order Question 1 The first Question was Whether the Spirit of God speaking in the Scriptures bee the chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith Mr Bourne shewed Nayler the Bible and asked him if he would owne that as Gods word he answered part of it or to that effect First For the state of the Question By the Spirit was meant the Spirit of God 1 Iohn 5.7 the third Person in Trinity one with the Father and the Sonne Secondly by the Scriptures the Canonicall books of the Old and New Testament Thirdly By the Spirit of God speaking in the Scriptures that voice or speaking forth of Gods Spirit recorded in Scripture which is there now to be found so whether the holy Scriptures or Spirit in them be judg This state was not so fully opened by reason of disturbance even in the entrance Nayler endeavouring to avoid this Question Naylers Answer Nayler in his Answer owned the Spirit that did speake in the holy men who gave forth the holy Scriptures to be Judge and said that Spirit was Judge before the Letter was written and all Controversies were judged by that Spirit but hee did not owne that Spirit that doth now speak in the Scriptures Hee said hee granted the Spirit was Judge and would have avoided the Question Mr Bournes Reply But Mr Bourne pressed to go on with the Question and affirmed it was one thing to say the Spirit that did speake in the holy men that gave out the Scriptures was Judge and another to say the Spirit of God speaking in the Scriptures was Judge or that the holy Scripture was Judge Therefore pressed to go on with the Question and began as I remember with this Reason Mr Bourns 1 Argument Whatsoever was and is the speaking forth of the Holy Ghost himselfe that was and is the chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith but the holy Scriptures are the speaking forth of the holy Spirit himselfe therefore they are the chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith The first proposition was not denied and the second was proved Acts 1.16 the Scripture which the holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake concerning Judas Here it is evident what Scriptures David writ or spake by writing that the Holy Ghost spake Therefore the holy Scripture is the speaking forth of the Holy Ghost and so judge of Controversies The same again witnessed by the Spirit Acts 28.25 wel spake the Holy Ghost by the mouth of Isaias the Prophet saying c. Here you see the Holy Ghost is witnessed by the Apostle Paul to speak by the mouth of Isaias and that Scripture which Isaiah writ was the speaking forth of the Holy Ghost and so the supreme Judge of Controversies c. Naylers Answer Nayler gave no direct answer but he wrangled and said he did owne the Spirit to be Judge but not the written word or to that effect and that the Spirit did speak not in the dead but in the living which was as I did understand him not in the dead letter of the Scripture but in living men and vapoured as if he had said much but yet would have avoided the Question as needlesse to be further disputed on since he did yield the Spirit to be Judge although he denyed that the Spirit speaking in Scripture was the chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith But Mr Bourn went on to press another Argument Mr Bourns 2 Argument Whatsoever Christ himselfe did appeale unto as to a chiefe Judge and send his hearers unto as to a chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith that is and ought to be esteem'd the chief Judge of Controversies of Faith But Christ himselfe appealed to the Scriptures and sent his hearers to the Scriptures as to the chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith therefore the holy Scriptures are the chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith The first not denyed the second witnessed by the Spirit in John 5.39 in that great controversie of Faith whether Christ were the Sonne of God or equall with God Christ appeales to the Scriptures Search the Scriptures for in them you thinke to have eternall life and they are they that testifie of me therefore the Scriptures are the chiefe Judge Naylers Answer Nayler did not give any answer to satisfie the Argument but said still the Spirit was the Judge not the written word and cried out liar liar hold thy peace the Spirit is Judge not the written word Mr Bourne bad him yield the Question since Christ himselfe appealed to the Scriptures But he cried out and one of his fellow Quakers away lyar the Spirit is Judge Mr Bourn replied The Spirit is Judge but not the Spirit speaking in any man but the Spirit speaking in the Scriptures and pressed

evidence the second proposition Mr Bourne did shew a book the Title of it was concerning a threefold Antichrist or to that effect The same in effect by Richard Tarnworth in his discovery of Faith or rather of infidelity page 13. This was set out by some Quaker and in page the 13. in the very leafe in which beginneth a Letter of James Naylers to severall friends about Wakefield when Nayler was prisoner at Appleby There is Printed this false accusation of the Ministers in England as of Errour because they say the books of Matthew Marke Luke and John are the Gospell or containe the glad tidings of salvation through Jesus Christ therefore the Quakers are not fit to be the chiefe Judges of Controversies of Faith Naylers Answer Nayler answered hee did owne that Letter writ to his friends about Wakefield and said the books of Matthew Marke Luke and John were not the Gospell but Christ was the Gospell Mr Bourns Reply Mr Bourne went on to prove that the books of Matthew Marke Luke and John were the Gospell by this Argument Whatsoever book the Spirit of God by the mouth of the Evangelist Marke calleth the Gospell that is the Gospel but the Spirit of God by the mouth of the Evangelist Marke calleth the book of Marke the Gospell therefore that book of Marke is the Gospell The first proposition is unquestionable The second is witnessed Marke 1.1 Marke 1.1 The beginning of the Gospell of Jesus Christ the Sonne of God as it is written in the Prophets Observe first That the Evangelist affirmeth that the Gospel was written in the Prophets Secondly that he calleth the beginning of that book the beginning of the Gospell not that the Gospell was not before for the Gospell was preached to Adam and Eve in Paradise after the Fall Gen. 3.15 But the seed of the woman shall break the serpents head but that it was the beginning of that book of the Gospell of that history of Christ and declaration of salvation by Christ Jesus For what is the Gospell but good newes or good tidings of a Saviour as that Angell speaketh Luke 2.10 And good tidings of Christ is not Christ himselfe and so the Gospell is not Christ himselfe but good newes of salvation by Christ This is the book of Marke the Gospell and thus are the books of Matthew Luke and John the Gospell and the Quaker denying this and accusing the Ministers of Christ as of Errour for affirming it this assertion is plainely proved that the Spirit in the Quaker is a Spirit of Errour lying and false accusation and so not fit to be the Judge of Controversies of Faith Naylers Reply Nayler had nothing to answer but lyar lyar hold thy tongue and sit downe for Christ is the Gospell the books of Matthew Marke Luke and John are not the Gospell Mr Bournes Argument Mr Bourne began to presse another Argument out of a booke of one Nicolas Cowlings Nicol. Cowling his word to 52 London Ministers p. 15 c. A word to the 52 London Ministers pages 15 16. whereing he blasphemously compareth Christ that dyed at Jerusalem to a woodden leg Let me be bold saith he to impart unto you my former experience in the mystery of Christ I thought a long while a faith in Christ that died at Jerusalem was the top gallant of a Christian but since it doth appeare I Answer There was a twofold Faith in the person of Christ 1. Erring of an outward Redemption from Roman tyranny of which Luke 24 21. Acts 1.16 2. True Faith of an eternall Redemption from sinne c. and purchase of liternall happinesse for his people in Heaven of which Mat. 1.21 Iohn 1.29 6 47 14 1 2 3. The Erring faith died with Christ but the true faith in Christs person did not dye as the Blasphemer imagineth c. that faith the Disciples had in the person of Christ died with him c. therefore it is Christ in the mystery that will save A woodden legge saith he that is tyed on may do some service but it is the legge naturall that is usefull for all occasions Thus doth this blasphemer make Christ our Saviour that died for us at Jerusalem but as a woodden legge But it is not that Christ that died at Jerusalem mighty to save not only by the work of sanctification in us by his Spirit through Faith to purifie our hearts but by the worke of justification by his blood and merits of his death and passion by which he hath made our peace even by the blood of his crosse and righteousnesse imputed to us for our justification before God as by our holinesse and good workes we are declared to be justified before men For God made him to be sinne for us who knew no sinne that we might be made the righteousnesse of God in him But this Spirit in this deceived Quaker or Erring Sectary who glories in his perfection and disgracefully calleth Christ that died at Jerusalem a woodden legge it is an Erring spirit and therefore not fit to be judge of Controversies of Faith Naylers Answer James Nayler would give no Answer to this but said he would not answer for any but himselfe Yet certainly James Nayler needed not then to have disowned that or denied to answer for it is nothing but what he himselfe did owne before Read the Perfect Pharisee p. 8. position 5. as appeares by that expression of his in a Letter sent by him to one in Lancashire That he that expected to be saved by him that died at Jerusalem should be deceived This witnessed by those reverend Divines who writ that book called the Perfect Pharisee And it seemeth it is their common opinion as may appeare by that speech of another Quaker neer Bristoll who said he was not such a foole as to hope to be saved by Jesus Christ that died at Jerusalem sixteen hundred yeares agoe Mr Farmer in his mystery of godlinesse and ungodlinesse witnessed by Reverend Mr Farmer a Reverend Minister in Bristol This spirit in the Quaker cannot be the chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith Mr Billingsleys Argument Then Mr John Billingsley to prove that the Spirit in the Quakers and in James Nayler in particular was a lying scandalizing Spirit and so not fit to be Judge of Controversies of Faith brought an Argument to this purpose That Spirit whatsoever that did or doth affirm that Bul-baiting swearing cursing and such like are the fruits of John Billingsley's Ministrie that is a lying scandalizing Spirit but the Spirit that is in thee James Nayler or thou thy selfe James Nayler diddest affirme that Bul-baiting swearing cursing and such like is or are the fruits of John Billingsley's Ministery therefore thy Spirit is a lying scandalizing Spirit and so not fit to be Judge of Controversies of Faith For the first proposition I John Billingsley doe appeale to all the Congregations which have heard me preach in Chesterfield or else where

unto death of which St John witnesseth There is a sinne unto death I say not that thou shouldest pray for it 1 John 5.16 Now for thy twenty Quaeries Nayler which thou sentest and addest towards the end I have in part answered them already in what I have writ and part of them are such Questions against which St Paul speaketh as tending not to edification of those who are weak in the faith Rom. 14.1 2. but rather to their distraction if not destruction therefore more fit to be silenced and buried in darknesse then to be revived or brought to light Secondly some are hypocriticall like that of Herod to the wise men Mat. 2.7 8. Thirdly some are curious Questions to satisfie curious busie minds such as thou art which being answered will not profit to godlinesse or edification contrary to the rule 1 Cor. 14.26 Fourthly some of them are tempting captious Questions like those of the Pharisees thy Fathers to Christ our Saviour which he either answereth by Questions to his adversaries againe or else wisely rejects or avoids to escape their treacherous designes against him as Mat. 21.23 24 c. Mat. 22.16 17 18 c. Fifthly some are foolish and unlearned Questions which gender strifes not love or any benefit to soules and which the Apostle directs Timothy to avoid 2 Tim. 2.23 and giveth the same command to Titus because saith he they are unprofitable and vaine Tit. 3.9 And I had rather follow St Pauls counsell then satisfie thy folly It is the counsell of the wise man in some such cases to be silent Prov. 26.4 Yet if thou wilt have an answer to thy twenty Quaeries and to thy challenge and brags lest thou be wise in thy own conceit or any of thy generation Prov. 26.5 know that all or most of them or those that are fit to be replyed unto they are sufficiently answered by divers religious learned men Ministers of the Gospell and others If any desire to see First let them read learned Mr Baxter's answer to the sixteen Quaeries The Worcester petition d●fended printed 1653. upon the Wostershire Petition to which is added seventeen Counter-Quaeries not yet answered by thee and thy fellowes that I have seen 2. Read Mr Baxters Quakers Catechism The Quakers confuted printed 1654. and the Quakers Questions answered there printed 1655. 3. Read godly Mr Eaton in his book called the Quakers confuted being an answer to nineteen quaeries of thy companions in which your weaknesse and erroneous wickednesse is discovered and the truth vindicated 4. Read that book called the Perfect Pharisee The Perfect Pharisee printed 1654. in which by way of position and proofe your wandring quaeries are learnedly and religiously answered by those five godly Ministers nere New Castle 5. Mr Fowler c printed 1655. Read solid and accute Mr Fowler 's book called Satan at Noon Day of the severall sorts of Quakers and Familists And there you may see the matter of these familisticall quaeries answered and errors confuted to their sorrow if they had grace to be sensible 6. The mystery of ungodlinesse printed 1653. Read judicious and zealous Mr Farmer of Bristol in his book entituled the Mystery of Godlinesse and ungodlinesse in which the Questionist ungodlinesse is there discovered to their shame 7. Reverend and succinct Mr Sherlock's answer to twenty seven of the Quakers wild Questions Mr Sherlock printed 1654. and his learned discourse of the Spirit annexed which might stay these erring wandring spirits from their false pretences to the spirit of Christ 8 Read that profitable book A brief relation printed 1653. of that observant Author called A Briefe Relation of the Irreligion of the Northern Quakers wherein their horrid principles and practises doctrines and manners are exposed to the view of every intelligent Reader and the Quakers Sauls errand to Damascus in which are said to be an hundred lies replied unto 9. Antichrist in man printed 1655. Witness that booke entituled Antichrist in man the Quakers Idoll by Mr Joshua Milner a servant of Christ in the Gospell in which is an answer and confutation of some of the Quakers dangerous and damnable doctrines 10. Mr Prins Quakers unmasked printed 1656. witnesse godly and learned Mr William Prinne Esquire detecting these Quakers to bee but the spawne of the Romish Frogs Jesuites and Franciscan Fryars sent from Rome to seduce poore soules in this English Nation with his reply to John Audlands rayling paper by which and what I have proved in my Answer and Arguments upon the Questions before which were Disputed any Christians seeing eye may see that James Nayler and his wandring fellow Quakers are but poor pedlers for the Priests of Rome and the Jesuits servants carrying up and downe the Nation their packs of errours and bags of paper-quaeries invented and hatched in Antichrists and the devils warehouse which they offer at every door or place where they come like braided baused rotten wares to deceive and couzen poor soules and to disturbe the peace and quiet of the Nation that this common enemy may more easily wheele us about to Rome and Romish Tyranny and so bring us to confusion from the highest to the lowest from which God of his mercy protect us And for Ministers maintenance Gen. 14.20 Gen. 28.22 Lev. 27.30 31. Numb 18.21 Deut. 10.8 9. Mal 3 8 9. Mat. 23 23. 1 Cor. 9 13.14 1 Tim. 5.17 Heb. 7.8 Printed for Mr Iohn Wright in the Old Bayly 1646. Mr Deacons discovery printed 1656. read Dr Carleton Dr Tillesley Dr Slater Sir Henry Spelman Sir James Sempel Mr William Prin Esquire my owne sixt book I have printed called a light from Christ leading unto Christ and divers others who have sufficiently proved Tythes not only lawfull but due by divine Right to Christ and the Ministers of Christ in the Gospell and that the taking them away without due redemption is that sinne of sacriledge Last of all for I let passe others Read Mr John Deacon a solid and sharp Questionist Replyant and Demandant In his publike discovery of a secret deceit or the man of sin unmasked and Satan transformed into the resemblance of an Angell of light in that Sect or Society commonly called Quakers in which you have nineteen quaeries sent to the Quakers Speaker at the bull and mouth neer Aldersgate and miserably answered by James Nayler whom he calleth justly the grand fomentor of heresie and replyed unto by Mr Deacon and fourteen more returned by Nayler and fully answered by Mr Deacon and foure and twenty more proposed by Mr Deacon which nor James Nayler nor any of his fellow Quakers I believe can truly and plainly answer but they must denie the holy Scriptures or forsake their owne false erronious and hereticall principles And thus I have said enough to direct James Nayler and all his deceived deluding Antichristian pharisaicall company of Quakers where they may finde Answers to their so much bragged of quaeries It would be happy for them if they could leave their errours and enquire after the knowledge of Christ that they may be taught by him Eph. 4.20 21. as the truth is in Jesus which I desire I may pray for And now dear soules if any of you that belong to Jesus Christ have been drawn away with the errour of these wicked perfect pharisees as they are rightly called return againe to your first Husband Christ your Saviour Hos 2.7 you will finde it will be better with you so then now it is and fly the society of these deluding equivocating Antichristian Quakers who speak sometimes of the Scriptures but deny them to be the word of God and make use of them in shew but not in sincerity and truth Who pretend to a Christ within them but deny the merits of Christs blood and righteousnesse of Christ imputed to beleevers for Justification and salvation Some who proudly boast George Fox Iames Nayler c. proved before Read their books and where doe you read of asking forgivenesse of sin for Christs sake they are equall with God and as holy just and good as God that they are perfect and without sinne and therefore ask no forgiveness of sins at Gods hand for Christs merits sake casting away both the Article of Faith in which we profess we believe remission of sinnes and that petition of the Lords prayer in which our Saviour teacheth us to pray Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them that trespass against us Yea they endeavour to draw poore soules from Christs publike Ordinances and to forsake the plain straite way to Heaven Mat. 7. like cheating thieves draw them into by waies Mat. 7.14 that they may-more securely rob and spoil them of the rich treasure of the Gospell and blessed way to glory Seek then my friends to Christ who is the wisedome of the Father Prov. 8. Col. 2.3 for wisedome and power to depart from the tents of these wicked men Numb 16.16 and to turne againe unto the Lord that ye perish not in their Apostacy from Christ And for you my honoured pretious soules and well beloved in the Lord Jesus who by strength from Christ have withstood the temptations of these deluding Quakers and are established in the Faith of Christ Watch still and beware ye be not drawn away with the errour of the wicked and fall from your owne stedfastnesse and labour in the use of all good means publike in the congregations of the saints private in your families and secret in your closets by the power of Christ and assistance of the Spirit of holiness John 15.5 Phil. 4.13 to grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ 2 Pet. 3.17 18. To whom with God the Father and God the blessed Spirit be glory both now and for ever Amen Immanuel Bourne FINIS