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A90624 A vindication of The preacher sent, or A vvarrant for publick preaching without ordination. Wherein is further discovered. 1. That some gifted men unordained, are Gospel preachers. 2. That officers sustain not a relation (as officers) to the universal Church; and other weighty questions concerning election and ordination, are opened and cleared. In answer to two books. 1. Vindiciæ ministrij evangelici revindicatæ or the Preacher (pretendly) sent, sent back again. By Dr. Colling of Norwich. 2. Quo warranto, or a moderate enquiry into the warrantableness of the preaching of gifted and unordained persons. By Mr. Pool, at the desire and appointment of the Provincial Assembly of London. With a reply to the exceptions of Mr. Hudson and Dr. Collings against the epistle to the preacher sent. / Published by Frederick Woodal, minister of the Gospel at Woodbridge in Suffolk. Samuel Petto minister of the GospeI [sic] at Sandcraft in Suffolk. Woodall, Frederick, b. 1614.; Petto, Samuel, 1624?-1711. 1659 (1659) Wing P1902; Thomason E1728_2; ESTC R204138 152,808 253

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23._o 24._o to_o tie_v up_o from_o go_v out_o to_o any_o other_o church_n assembly_n as_o from_o go_v out_o to_o unbeliever_n yea_o be_v there_o not_o as_o much_o 1_o cor._n 11_o 17._o 18._o 20._o 33._o to_o tie_v up_o the_o lord_n supper_n to_o the_o assembly_n of_o the_o church_n in_o one_o place_n as_o there_o be_v 1_o cor._n 14._o ver_fw-la 23._o 24._o to_o confine_v pprophecy_n to_o it_o yet_o will_v he_o not_o blame_v we_o if_o we_o shall_v say_v a_o pastor_n may_v administer_v the_o lord_n supper_n to_o believer_n of_o other_o church_n when_o they_o come_v into_o the_o church_n assembly_n but_o must_v not_o go_v out_o to_o they_o the_o assembly_n speak_v of_o administer_a the_o sacrament_n to_o member_n of_o another_o church_n tell_v we_o sure_o he_o i._n e._n a_o elder_a may_v as_o well_o do_v it_o when_o he_o go_v to_o they_o as_o when_o they_o come_v to_o he_o for_o it_o answ_n of_o the_o assem_fw-la pag._n 7._o and_o may_v not_o we_o say_v that_o the_o prophet_n may_v go_v 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