little to the purpose Secondly a Romified Lady being present and being troubled with those dull and weake answers did then intreat me to interpose and dispute of Transubstantiation for her instruction And lastly I adde that I had proposed this question to Master Sweet at my house 8. weekes before where his leasure then would not giue him leaue to dispute of it and now I conceiued he was wel armed for a second encounter Againe where it is related in the Conference that I told M. Buggs that the Church was in Christ and his Apostles c. The Iesuite saith in the margent there A very weake and insufficient answer as is shewed hereafter Surely the Iesuite had a weake memorie and forgot a farther Reply or else other answer hee could not make to disproue it Neither by Master Fishers leaue was it so weake and insufficient an answer as hee gaue me when vpon his first meeting falling into conference about the Reall presence which Master Fisher would prooue out of these words Hot est corpus meuÌ„ I answerd that Scotus Cameracensis and Bellarmine were of opinion that that Text was not strong enough to enforce Transubstantiation To which obiection hee gaue this Answer as a full satisfaction to the standers-by What care I for Bellarmine or Scotus or Cameracensis Againe by Master Sweets leaue it was not so weake and insufficient an answer as when I propounded to him foure questions viz. The worship of Images Praier in an vnknowne tongue Communion in one kinde and Transubstantiation with this assurance in the presence of Recusants that if he could proue either all or but any one of those held by the ancient Fathers in the Primitiue Church according to that forme of doctrine prescribed in the Councel of Trent I would then subscribe to Popery All his answer was that hee brought a booke that would proue them all So for that time I was content hee should bee saued by his booke But Doctor Featly in whose hands hee is now will not let him escape so easily but calling him into the inner barre will finde that non legit vt Clericus At that time Master Sweet farther added that hee for his part had other businesse and could not intend to argue with mee about those questions If his superior had heard him certainly hee would haue enioyned him penance for neglecting so faiâ—e an opportunitie of conuerting such an Hereticke as hee takes mee to bee hee knowes there ought to bee no businesse pretended where there had been a possibility to make a proselyte Lastly concerning the issue of the Conference I auow and protest that old Master Bugs came then to me and gaue mee thankes in the same roome before his departure and told mee that he well perceiued it was be the great brags of the aduersaries for their Church that hee well perceiued they could say but little for it and withall hee did acknowledge himselfe to bee so well satisfied at that time that he professed vnto mee that if his sonne would not leaue his religion and the priests company he would leaue him c. HVMFREY LYNDE The Protestant Relation Paragraph the first touching the entry into the Conference DOctor White and D. Featly beeing inuited to dinner by Sir Humfrey Lynde and staying awhile after had notice giuen them that M. Fisher and M. Sweet Iesuites were in the next room ready to conferre with them touching a Question set downe by M. Fisher vnder his owne hand in these words viz. First Whether the Protestant Church was in all Ages visible and especially in the Ages going before Luther and secondly Whether the names of such visible Protestants in all Ages can be shewed and prooued out of good Authors This Question beeing deliuered to the parties aboue-named and it beeing notified vnto them that there were certaine persons who had beene sollicited and remaining doubtfull in Religion desired satisfaction especially in this point they were perswaded to haue some speech with the Iesuites touching this point the rather because the Priests and Iesuites doe daily cast out papers and disperse them in secret in which they vaunt that no Protestant Minister dare encounter them in this point Master Fisher his Answer First any man reading this parcel would be induced to think that D. White D. Featly had neuer had notice before for what end they were inuited to dinner or for what end they were to meete with the Iesuites but that they were on the sudden summâ—ned to this Conference without any preparation or knowledge of the Question which not to be so is euidently conuinced partly by that which is already said partly by that which I am after to say Secondly this Relator would make his Reader beleeue that M. Fisher vnder his owne hand had set downe the words of the Question distinguished with the expresse figure of 2. which is not so for M. Fisher did not write any such figure of 2. in the middle of the Question nor did not meane to make any more then 〈◊〉 onely entire Question as Sir Humfrey himselfe had desired Thirdly he seemeth willing to perswade that Priests and Iesuites doe daily cast out papers which is not true Doctor Featly his Reply The Heathen accounted it an ominous thing offendere in limine to stumble as a man is going out a-doores in lifting his legge ouer the threshold You do so M. Fisher you stumble at the first setting your foote out a-doore and which is farre worse you stumble at three strawes The first is that forsooth any man reading this parcell would beleeue that D. White and my selfe were on the sudden summoned to this Conference And what if he should beleeue so What doth this aduaÌ„tage our cause or preiudice yours It matters not much how wee came to this encounter but how we came off Yet are there no words in the Relation which imply any such thing that wee came sudden or vnprouided nay whosoeuer reades the first Chapter touching the occasion of the Conference cannot but perceiue that wee had notice of it before and came prouided The truth is for mine owne part I knew of it two daies and no more before the meeting and I excepted against the day appointed as beeing too neere and sudden for a man to prepare either to oppose or answer in so spacious and â—ast a Question 〈◊〉 from Christ to Lâ—ther yet beeing ouer-intreated to be there as an Assistanâ— onely in the 〈◊〉 yeelded The second straw you stumbled at is That the Relator would make the Reader beleeue that M. Fisher put a figure of 2. at the second part of his Question And what if the Reader did so beleeue It is certaine that there is a second 〈◊〉 in your Question And what 〈◊〉 then had it beene to set before the second Vtrum the figure 2 Howsoeuer there was no fault in the Protestant Relaâ—our but in the Printer who mistooke the interrogatiue point in the copy for the figure 2. In the
vp of the Conference p. 119. 11 Of the issue of the Conference page 129. A Copie of M. Fisher's Letter to the Earle of Warwick p. 139. An Answer vnto the same by D. Featly page 142. A Copie of a Letter from the Earle of Warwick to Sir Humfrey Lynde page 146. Master Fisher's Reflection vpon the Conference with the Answer of Doctor Featly page 147. Wherein 1 A testimony out of Luther alledged to proue the inuisibility of the Protestants Church is answered page 150. 2 Luther's testimony of VVesselus page 152. 3 Of the VValdenses page 154. 4 Of Hus 157. 5 A testimony out of Conrad Schlusenburg is answer'd p. 160. 6 A testimony out of Benedictus Morgenst answered p. 164. 7 A testimony out of Caluin is answered page 167. 8 Caluins testimony of the Waldenses is produced p. 168. 9 A testimony out of Bucer is answered page 169. 10 In what sense Luther may be termed the first Apostle of the Reformed Churches is declared page 170. 11 An allegation out of Beza answered page 171. 12 An Allegation out of Perkins answered page 173. 13 An Allegation out of Bishop Iewell answered page 174. 14 The Conclusion page 178. To the courteous Reader I Intreat thee courteous Reader to vnderstand that the greater part of this book was printed in the time of the great Frost when by reason that the Thames was shut vp I could not conueniently procure the proofs to be brought vnto mee before they were wrought off whereupon it fell out that very many grosse escapes passed the Presse and which was the worst fault of all the third part of the book is left vnpaged This defect I finde no other means to remedy for the present than to referre thee to the letters of the Printers Alphabet set vnder the Page Thus therefore I pray thee correct the Errata following Faults escaped In the Conference page 6. line 9. for demanded r. and demanded p. 7. l. 7. four r. your In the Additions p. 27. l. 29. f. I should r should I. p. 30. l. 29. f. author r. aduersary In the Attestation p. 36. l. 8. f. prepetua r. perpetua In the Remonstrance H 2 * for approbation r. a good answer H 4 * l. 4. f. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 b. l 23. f. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 K * l. 9 f. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 line 14. f. of Church r. of the Church l. 15. f. thing r. Chius K 2 * In mar f. quibus r. quidam f. falsa r. falsum l. penult dele the. K 3 * b l. 7. f. Vovius r. Voions l. 9. Wolfius r. Walfius l. 10. f. Moustre a Vortley r. Munster a Vortlegue K * b l. penult in marg f. de praescrip r. Tert. de praescrip K 4 b l. 14. f. Partus r. Paetus Quest. 1. touching the visibility of the Church L 3 * l. 5. f. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 L 3 l. 10. f. Becherites r. Bezerites l 12. f. Luiddamites r. Quiddamites M * b l. 21. dele into M 2 l. 28. f. eternally r. externally M 4 in marg f. obsconditur obsoluens r. absconditur absoluens M 2 b l. 19. f sweet fish rotten r good bad N * a l. 17. f. Margaerites r. pearles N * b l 28. f. a firmer r. the former O * l. 17. f. Lyranensis r. Lirmensis O 2 b l. 5. f Barradus r. Barradius Quest. 2. touching the names of visible Protestants P 3 a in marg f. lenone r. lenones Q 1 b in marg f. Caluini r. calicis Q 2 a l. 9. f sect r. track Q 3 l. 18. f. leaue r. leuie l. 23. f. Epistolae r. Epistolis Q 3 b adde in marg ad Occham Platin ex Wolf pröoem Q 4 b adde in marg The fixt assertien R 1 l. 26. f. this r. then R 1 b l. 18 f. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 R 1 in marg f. excusseront r. exusserunt S 1 l. 28. f. forceth r. forteth S 2 b l. 23. dele of T 1 b l. 22. f. voculae r. voculas T 2 b l. 9. f. quum r. qum T 3 in marg f. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 T 3 b l. 3. f. Athanaeus r. Athenaeus T 4 l. 8. f. distinguish r. to distinguish V 1 l. 13. Corrige accentos ita 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 V 1 l. 20. f. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Pone in mar Odysâ— 3 In the reply page 1. line 1. adde M. Fisher. p. 1. l 10. superpone D. Featly p. 5. l. 25. f. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 l 26. f. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 l. 27. f. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p. 7. l. 9. for conifictiou r. confiction p. 11. l. 2. f. you r. yours p. 12. l. 2. f. m r. on p. 22. l. 13. f signal r. signall p. 32 l. 14 f. predicants r. predicaments p. 44. l. 6. f. be r. but. p. 48. l. 21. f. of r. Of. p. 51. l. 11. f. particula entirer r. particular entire p. 63. l. 8. f. Elohim reade barah Elohim p. 79. l. 10. f. metriculated r matriculated p. 83. l. 15. f. who keep r. they who keep p. 92. l. 8. f. namely fir r. in Siâ— In marg adde Viues de causis corrupt art l. 3. l. 16. f. Ceres r. Seres l. 17. f. Riphean r Rhiphean l. 24. f. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 adde in marg Arist. analit post l. 1. c. 4. p. 101. l. 32. dele and. p. 103. l. 1. f. in error r. obstinate in error p. 104. l. 11. for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p. 108 l. 23. dele he can p. 110 l. 11. f. Eleaetes r. the Eleaetes page 149. l. 4 f 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p. 150 l 1. f. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 l. 2. f. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 l. 29. f. adeo r. à Deo et adde in mar extat et alâ—â— ad Argen ep in tract Histo de coen dom Casp. Peut Ambergae an 1596. vbineque habentur haec ve ba. p. 152. l. 10. adde in marg quia lux mundi vulgò dictus in script opuse p. 154. l. 9. f. habent r. habeant p. l. 162. l. 12. f. exet r. expetend p. 163. l. 21. f. Bishop r. Bishops p. 172. l. 11. f. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 THE OCCASION and issue of the late Conference had betweene Dr. White Deane of Carleil and Dr. Featly with Mr. Fisher and Mr. Sweet Iesuites was this as followeth EDward Bugges Esquire about the age of 70 yeeres beeing lately sicke was sollicited by some Papists then about him to forsake the Protestant faith
begin but in the first Age and with the first of it shall I make a Catalogue of the Christian Church according to the seuerall Ages and leaue out Christ and his Apostles in the first Age Answer first to them and I will proceed to others M. Fisher. Name the rest in all Ages and then I will answer you D. Featly First answer to the first Age and then I will proceed to the second If you grant mee the first Age then I will proceed presently to the second otherwise I must stay in the first M. Fisher. Vnlesse you giue mee a Catalogue of names throughout all Ages I will not answer D. Featly Will you not answer Christ and his Apostles in the first place M. Fisher. I will not before you haue named the rest D. Featly Will you not bee tryed by Christ and his Apostles That which Christ and his Apostles taught in the first Age was taught by succeeding Christians in all Ages this is confessed on both sides But the doctrine of the Protestants was taught by Christ and his Apostles in the first Age Therefore the doctrine of the Protestants was taught in all Ages Answer this Syllogisme if you will not answer my former induction M. Fisher. I will not answer you any thing till you haue made your Catalogue D. Featly M. Fisher I charge you as you will answer it before Christ himselfe at the dreadfull day of Iudgement answer now vpon your conscience before all this Company whether you beleeue that Christ and his Apostles taught our faith or yours this is the maine point of all answer directly to my Induction Notwithstanding this deepe charge M. Fisher still refused to answer to the argument of instance in Christ and his Apostles whereupon diuers expressing their distaste at such refusall desired D. Featly to surcease telling him that hee ought not to talk any longer with such a one who refused to answer Christ and his Apostles And so the conference brake vp hauing lasted about foure houres Additions to the former Conference IF any man maruell that in so many houres spent in the Conference so few arguments were discust or rather not any one throughly vntwisted to the end as the Opponent desired the cause hereof was the Iesuites diffusiue discursiue answers but especially his dilatory cautions and tergiuersations who would not suffer the Opponent to proceed in his argument without dictating it first to the common Writer of the conference and then reading it and setting his hand thereto which after hee had done the principall Respondent M. Fisher meditates by himself an Answer which hee first writeth in a priuate paper then sheweth it to his Assistant M. Sweet and two other that stood by according to whose aduice he addeth blotteth out and altereth what they thought fit After this he dictateth it out of his priuate paper to the common Writer of the conference then resumes this schedule from him and hauing compar'd it with his priuate paper subscribes it as a Record and then reads it openly This long spinning wreathing and winding he vsed to euery Syllogisme which was so tedious and irksome to the Auditory that a Protestant Diuine standing by vpbraided him in this manner M. Fisher what haue wee deserued of you that you should thus torment vs to make vs stay half an houre for an Answer to euery Syllogisme and Prosyllogisme The Lord of Warwick also more than once called vpon M. Fisher to come to the point to answer briefly and directly without discourses or vnâ—â—cessary distinctions A short lesson may be long in playing where ther are more rests than notes as it was heer Yet all that passed in the conference is not particularly punctually set down Some things were omitted which omissions because the Author complaineth of wee thought fit heer to supply 1. About the entry into the conference M. Fisher offred a paper to bee read part whereof was read by D. Featly the rest he refused to read saying M. Fisher lis contestata est wee are already agreed vpon the Question we haue receiued the Tenet vnder your owne hand and are prepared to oppose it it is no time now to tie your Opponent to new conditions 2. About the propounding the first Argument when M. Fisher carped at the word eternall D. White to try winde M. Fisher did cast a Syllogisme 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to prooue the eternity of faith from the eternity of the cause the diuine predestination Whereunto when M. Fisher or some standing by answered that in that sense all other things might be said to be eternall another Protestant standing by added that faith might bee said to be eternall in that sense in which eternall is taken for eâ—iternall so the soules of men are said to be eternal because though they had a beginning yet they shall haue no end Neither so said M. Fisher may faith be said eternall because the Apostle saith Faith ceaseth These Answers and Replies vpon the By wee omitted because D. Featly sufficiently expressed his minde by the Synonymie which he added to eternall to wit perpetuall and besides the disputation was not of the habit or infused grace of faith which Saint Paul saith ceaseth but of the obiect or doctrine of faith which is eternall in that sense in which S. Iohn calleth the Gospell eternall Reu. 14. 6. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I saw an Angell fleeing in the midst of heauen hauing the eternall Gospell 3. About the middle of the conference D. Featly took occasion by the Iesuites often inculcating and ingeminating the same Answer to tax their battologie or vain repetitions in their Iesus Psalter and other Books of Praiers saying M. Fisher I think you partly beleeue that the often repeating the same Answer addeth truth and strength to your Answer as you are perswaded that the saying-ouer the same Praiers and repeating the name Iesu so many times by tale addeth merit to the Praiers M. Sweet What fault can you finde with the often repeating the name Iesu Doth not the holy Ghost in the Scripture diuers times reiterate the Attribute Holy saying Sanctus sanctus sanctus D. Featly Is there no difference between the repeating the word Holy or Sanctus three times and repeating the name Iesus thirty times at the least nay saith a Protestant standing by a hundred and thirty times M. Fisher. In one of Dauid's Psalms these words for his mercy endureth for euer are repeated in euery verse D. Featly It is true these words for his mercie endureth for euer are elegantly and sweetly repeated as the burden of that heauenly Song but note withall M. Fisher that something commeth betwixt and that this Epiphonema or clause is applied in euery verse to a seuerall blessing of God there remembred what is this to the saying continuately Iesu Iesu Iesu forty times in a breath If this be not the vain repetition or babbling forbidden in praier by our Sauiour Mat. 6. 7. I know not what it is M.
therefore you doo well and wisely heer not to lay these blocks for your blinde children to stumble at which neither you nor all the Iesuits in Christendome are able to remoue The Protestant Relation Paragraph the fift concerning the parts of the Question D. Featly There are two Quaeres in your Question First Whether the Protestant Church were in all Ages visible and secondly Whether the Names of visible Protestants in all Ages can be shewed c. M. Fisher. There are not two Quaeres or parts in the Question it is but one Question D. White Where there are two Propositions with two distinct Vtrums there are two Questions c. M. Fisher. Conclude any thing syllogistically D. Featly D. Featly And is a Coniunction copulatiue and must adde somewhat to That that goes before It is all one as if you should expound the words of the Apostle Prouide honest things before God and men before God that is before men Master FISHER'S Answer My Question is meant to be but one entire Question And so to cut off all needlesse wrangling made by D. White and D. Featly about the Aduerb Vtrùm whether and the Copulatiue et and as if Grammar-scholars had been disputing rather than graue Diuines who were not to stand on rigour of Grammar especially in this case where the sense of the speaker is plaine and may well stand with Grammar Master Fisher said The question being mine it pertaineth to mee to tell the meaning and my meaning was onely to make is one question viz. Whether the Protestant Church were so visible as the Names of visible Protestants in all Ages may bee shewed out of good Authors Wherefore if you will dispute you must dispute in my sense and must conclude the affirmatiue viz. The Protestant Church was so visible as the Names of the professors in all Ages may bee shewed out of good Authors Doctor FEATLY'S Reply First the parts of your question are distinguished really for a Protestant Church may haue beene visible in many Ages and yet not the names of visible Protestants liuing in those Ages now to bee produced as your selfe confesseth in effect page 33. line 23. Wee doe not require that all visible mens names should bee vpon record nor all records produced Secondly they are distinguished formally in words whether the protestant Church c. And whether the Names c. Thirdly they are distinguished by points for in the middle of your question before the second part of it you your selfe put a colon thus Fourthly you distinguish them your selfe in your answer in the written copie which I haue for to the first part you answer in the margent It was not which answer was not nor can bee applied to the latter part Either the parts of your question are distinct in sense or out of question you propound them senslesly whether and whether two whethers meaning but one Admit the construction you giue of the first part viz. Whether a Protestant Church were visible in all Ages that is so visible as the Names of visible Protestants may bee shewed what construction then will you make of the latter clause whether the Names may be shewed Is not this iust like Battus his spell in the Latin Poet Subillis Montibus inquit erant et erant sub montibus illis Or the like of the French Car comâ— ' vn ' Aigle mountant an clair soleil Car c'estoite vn ' Aigle mountant an clair soleil It is as if I should propound such a question Whether Iesuites be so honest men that they will not equiuocate and whether they will not equiuocate Or whether the letters in a small print are so visible that they may bee read and whether they may bee read Or whether the parts of this question are so distinguished that they are not altogether confounded and whether they are not altogether confounded But you say I am bound to dispute in your sense What sense mean you The sense that is to be made of your words or the sense which you make by your mental reseruation It seemeth you are so vsed to your Iesuitical Cabala that you cannot in your disputing but smacke of it I am bound to dispute with you you say in your sense I grant you am I therfore to dispute with you in your non-sence But you say that it is for Grammar Scholars to argue about the Aduerb Vtrum and the copulatiue et and. Tell your great Clark Cardinall Bellarmine so who wier-drawes your Sacrifice of the Masse out of the Copulatiue et and And he was a Priest of the most high God c. and your Transubstantiation out of the Pronoune hoc Hoc est Corpus c. your Popes supremacie out of the Pronoune tibi Dico tibi Petre c. Doth not Saint Austen presse Grammaticall Arguments against Cresconius the Grammarian Nay doth not Saint Paul himselfe presse a Grammaticall argument Against the Iewes Non ex seminibus sed ex semine Not of seedes as of many but of thy seed as of one How many ancient and later Diuines whose bookes you are not worthy to carry after them haue substaÌ„tially proued the Trinity by a Grammatical Argument drawne froÌ„ the Plural Number Faciamus Let vs make man yea the Trinitie in vnity by an Argument founded vpon the construction of a Verbe Singular with a Nowne Plurall Elohim that is Dij creaâ—it It is no disparagement Master Fisher for the greatest Clarke to remember his Grammar But he who so farre forgets his Grammar as you doe deserueth to be turned back to the Grammar Schoole and to haue his Garmmar-Rules better imprinted into him with a Schoole-Masters Ferula or somewhat else Yea but Aquila non capit Muse aâ— you are a high flyer and therefore scorne to strike at a Flie Yet take heed of such Flies lest you bee choked with one of them as your Pope Adrian was Such dead Flies as you heere swallow are able to corrupt and spill a whole boxe of the sweetest Oyntment The Protestant Relation Paragraph the sixt touching the pretended necessitie of naming Protestants in all Ages Master Sweet What need you stand so much vpon this If there were visible men certainely they may be named name your visible Protestants and it sufficeth Name visible Protestants in all Ages D. Featly It seemes you are nominals rather then reals you stand so much vpon naming will you vndertake to name visible Papists in all Ages If neither you nor wee can name visible professors of our Religions in all Ages for ought I know the best way for vs is to be all naturall men D. Featly This is the right reason of a Naturall M. Sweet If there were visible Protestants in all Ages certainely they may bee named D. Featly That is a non sequitur for the reasons before named by me What say you to a people of Africa who if we may beleeue Pliny haue no names at all M. Boulton Yet they haue descriptions and
Contrae Lutherum c. 18. * Lib. de legit vsu Euchaâ— c 8. * 〈◊〉 Lect. * Iren. l 5. aduers haeres c. 3◠〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 nomen habâ—t 666. et valde verisiâ—ile est 〈◊〉 regnum hoc habet vocâ—â—ulum Latine eâ—im sunt qui nunc regnaÌ„t Page 17. * Bentius orat Page 24. Page 26. * Page 30. Pag. 64. 65. Pag. 65. * By Islington * Orat. pro Cuâ— Plantio * Perâ—y alias Stebden alias Fisher. Iohn 18. 23 Epist. 104. * Athanasius de Incar Christ. Si discipuli est is ScripturaruÌ„ per eas nobiscum incedite si diuersa a Scripturis vultis fabulari cur nobiscum decortaetis qui neque loqui neque audire sustinemus quod extraneum sit ab istis dicente Domino Si maÌ„seritis in sermone meo eritis mei Discipuli Cic. in Ver. Heer you haue Names names of your owne trade and some of them Wardens of your owne equiuocating Company * Fortune-tellor Titus 1. 12 * Diuell Iohn * Ep. 148. Conceditur ijs qui Thylem transierunt 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 * See the Protestant Relation of the Conference page 21. line 23. Contradiction the first Contradiction the sec◠〈…〉 Contradiction the fourth * See the introduction to the defence A weaker Refutation as is shewed in the insuing Discourse * Alogi a sort of Hereticks Gal. 3. 16. c. A Romanist standing by The same Romanist standing by Moggus Lib. de vnitate Ecclesiae About the yeere 480. Alfonsus a Castro aduersus Haereses l. 4. Aug. Epist. 80. ad Hesychium Mat. 18. Exhort ad virg de poeâ—it Prolog in Euangel * Both being Noâ—me taâ—gere A Protestant standing by Arist. analyâ— poster l. 1. c. 2 Auent annal Boior l. 5. edit Basil. ad Pern p 448. De Resurrectione Homil. in 2. Thes. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 L. 5. aduersuâ— Haeres c. 30. Epist. 17. ad Eustochium c. 7. et l. 2. aduer Iouinianum * Rom. 10. 10. Gasp. Lauren. De public disputat Iud. 3. Reu. 14. 6. Irenaeus aduers Haeres l. 3 c. 2. 2. Cor. 6. 8. Mat. 5. 11. Touching the Visibility of the Church Assertion 7. * Anno Dom. 1590. * Anno. Dom. 1592. * Greg. Epist. l. 4. Epist. 78. 82. alibi Rom. 3 4. * Aug. de doct Christ. l. 2. c. 9. In iis enim quae aperte in Scriptura posita sunt inueniuntur illa omnia quae fide continent moresque viuendi Arist. Rhet. l. 2. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 * In prouing the same thing by the same thing digresseth from the same thing Lib. 3. de Eccles. Milit. cap. 13. Plin. nat histo l. 1. cap. 20. 1. Tim. 1. 13. Protasis Antapodosis Cic. Orator Enchirid. ad Laurent A briefe recapitulation of the Conference * Bellarmine loc sup cit Canus loc l. 11. c. 4. praeter auctores sacros nullum historicum certum esse posse et â—doneum ad faciendum certam in theologia fidem Page 19. Page 32. Erasm. Apophtheg Plin. nat hist. l. 2. c. 105. Omnes aurei coloris ostendit pisces nihil extra illam aquam caeteris differentes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 In theol Calu. l. 2. fol. 130. versus finem Geo. Mylli iu Augu tanae Confessionis explic art 70. de Eccles. page 137. Benedict Morgenst tract de Eccl. page 145. Apologet. * Whitakerus de Eccles. cont Bellar. controuers secunda Nostra Ecclesia tum fuit At non fuit visibilis inquit Bellarminus Quid tum an ideo non fuit Nequaquam latcâ—at enim tum in solitudine a In Apocalip b In orat de Wald. c De vera et falsa relig l. 4. d In his memorials of the Waldenses e Epist. 250 et 251 et 179. f De viris illustrib g In resp ad Camp ratio 3. h His acts and Monuments i In catal test veritatis k Contra Waldens l Contra Waldens m Hist. Hussit l. 1. n in tabulis alit o Hist. ciuit Iudg. l. 3. p Hist. Bohem. q Hist. Bohem. r Contra haeres * Brerely Protest Apâ—l Sect. 11. de Fraet orthod Eccles. (5) Caluin in l. Epist. ep 141. (6) Bucer Ep. ad Epis. Hereford (7) Beza in Theol. Ep. Epist. 5. (8) Iewel in his Apologie of the Church cap. 4. diuis 2. and in his defence 40. (9) Perkins in his Expos. of the Creed Inter Epist. Calu. Ep. 250. Quomam vir venerande ante annos circiter triginta inter humanit atem tuam tum Argentina agentem fratres qui falso Pigardi vel Waldenses dicuntur charisâ—imos in Domino Patres nostros sancta intercessit noâ—itna familiaritas c. Gratias agimus non vulgares quòd Fratres qui vestrierga nos amoris fraternaque coniunctiâ—nis testes essent et qu â—si Sponsores mittere grauati non estis eóque libentiùs officiâ—â—m hoc vest rum sâ—â—nus amplexi quâ—a ex sinceran pietatis studio manabat Cupimus idem vicissem vâ—bis de propenso nostro ad fouendam sanctam vnitatem affectu persu â—sum esse c. * De vestro cum Waldensibus consensu optima quaeque spero non modò quia sanctam vnitatem in quam coalescunt Christi membra Deus semper benedicere solitus est sed quòd inter haec rudimenta fratrum Waldensium peritiam quam longo vsu Dominus exercuit non vulgari adiumento vobis fore spero Quare vobis omnibus danda est opera vt haec pia conspiratio magis ac magis sanciatur c. In his booke of worthy men Mat. 7. 9 10. * Baltasar Praefat. in Waldens * I would see a Catalogue of true Teachers of the infallible faith in those times Apolog. part 4. cap. 4. Diuis 2. Lib 3. cont â—iteras Petil. cap. 11.