Selected quad for the lemma: book_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
book_n	ancient_a	church_n	father_n	2,262	5	4.7708	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A00791	An answer to a pamphlet, intituled: The Fisher catched in his owne net In vvhich, by the vvay, is shevved, that the Protestant Church was not so visible, in al ages, as the true Church ought to be: and consequently, is not the true Church. Of which, men may learne infallible faith, necessarie to saluation. By A.C.	A. C.; Champney, Anthony, 1569?-1643?, attributed name.; Sweet, John, 1570-1632, attributed name.; Floyd, John, 1572-1649, attributed name.; Fisher, John, 1569-1641, attributed name.	1623 (1623)	STC 10910.4; ESTC S107710	44,806	106

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their_o soul_n the_o grace_n of_o god_n in_o this_o life_n and_o endless_a heavenly_a happiness_n in_o the_o next_o unto_o which_o i_o beseech_v sweet_a jesus_n to_o bring_v we_o all_o amen_n finis_fw-la eudaimon_n johannes_n in_o defence_n p._n h._n garn._n d._n bishop_n against_o rob._n abbot_n a_o very_a weak_a and_o insufficient_a satisfaction_n as_o be_v show_v hereafter_o eph._n 4._o heb._n 11._o rom._n 10._o v._n 14_o 15._o eph._n 4._o 11._o ose._n 2._o v_o 19_o 20._o isa._n 59_o 20._o matth._n 18._o 20._o eph._n 4._o v._n 11._o 〈…〉_z m._n fisher._n d._n field_n in_o his_o epistle_n dedicatone_n aug._n lib._n de_fw-fr unitate_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la this_o great_a lady_n do_v express_o say_v that_o the_o conference_n do_v make_v against_o protestant_n even_o as_o it_o be_v relate_v by_o you_o protestant_a relator_n and_o another_o lady_n who_o be_v present_a at_o the_o conference_n do_v protest_v to_o one_o that_o ask_v she_o how_o it_o move_v she_o that_o she_o be_v by_o it_o confirm_v in_o catholic_a religion_n lib._n 1._o inst._n c._n 1._o sect._n 4._o eph._n 4._o v._n 11._o etc._n etc._n rom._n 10._o v._n 14._o etc._n etc._n etc._n luth._o ep_n ad_fw-la argentin_n anno_o 1525._o 1525._o conradus_n schushelb_n in_o theol._n calu._n lib._n 2._o fol._n 130._o b._n versus_fw-la finé_fw-fr finé_fw-fr geo._n mylli_n in_o augustanae_n confessionis_fw-la explie_fw-fr art_n 7._o de_fw-fr eccl._n pag._n 137._o 137._o benedict_n morgé_v trac_fw-la de_fw-fr eccl_n pag._n 145._o 145._o calu._n in_o i._n epist_n ep_n 141._o 141._o bucer_n ep_n ad_fw-la epis._n hereford_n hereford_n beza_n in_o theol._n ep_n epi._n 5._o 5._o jewel_n in_o his_o apolog._n of_o the_o church_n 4_o c._n divis_fw-la 2._o &_o in_o his_o defence_n 42._o 42._o perkins_n in_o exposit_n of_o the_o creed_n creed_n see_v the_o book_n entitle_v the_o author_n and_o substance_n of_o protestant_a religion_n isa._n 59_o v._n 21._o isa._n 61_o 9_o isa._n 60_o 11_o matth._n 5_o 14_o matth._n 18_o 17_o matth._n 28_o 19_o 20_o coccius_n in_o thesauro_fw-la controversiarum_fw-la tomo_fw-la 1._o lib._n 8._o art_n 1._o aug._n in_o psal_n 47._o lib._n de_fw-fr unit_fw-la eccles._n cap._n 16._o &_o 25._o isa._n 59_o v._n 21._o 60._o v_o 11._o 61._o v_o 9_o 1._o tim._n 3._o v._n 15._o ephes._n 4._o v_o 4._o 11._o 12._o 13._o 14._o tertul._n lib._n the_o prescript_n luc._n 10._o v._n 16._o matth._n 18._o v._n 17_o tertull._n de_fw-fr praescrip_n c._n 15._o cap._n 19_o cap._n 20._o 21._o 22_o &_o sequent_a cap._n 32._o