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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85537	A discourse in derision of the teaching in free-schooles, and other common schooles.	Grantham, Thomas, d. 1664.	1644 (1644)	Wing G1552; Thomason E53_7; ESTC R13919	5,332	8

that takes part both of a noun and a Verb both those known the participle is knowne So here is but two things chiefly to be cared for that is a Noun and a Verb. But be sure to understand the definition of every part of speech not word by word without Book but the sense of it Eutrapilus How like you this Sir Twig-tail Truly I finde some sense in this Eutrapilus Truly or else I should have thought there had been little sense in you Fleabuttock Master Grantham proceed I pray Grantham Next I show him the Speciall Rules and how he may know by them the Gender of any Noun If a Noun vary from a speciall Rule as virus Pelagus I bid him look in the Neuters and there he shall see the word excepted or something that does imply that word For others that are not under the speciall Rules let him onely say the Gender followes the Sexe as Males and Offices that belong to men are Masculines Females Feminines The same course I take in As in praesenti Eutrapilus You have spoke to two or three at this present I will assure you Grantham Then I show the Concords and with two or 3. lines annext he hath all things necessary for the Syntaxe Eutrapilus Now Master Cuffum you must conceive he does not show them the Concords and English rules as they are in the Grammer that is before the Genders and the Verbs as you do for that is non-sence for how can a Boy conceive an Adjective to agree with his Substantive in case Gender and number when he hath read nothing of the Genders of Nounes and can show no rule for it Grantham And all this concerning Concords Nounes and Verbs I show in an houre Cuffum Now brother School-masters mark something to laugh at he teacheth a thousand words in ten dayes a stile in two dayes Genders of Nounes Conjugations of Verbs all in an houre so reckon all together in twelve dayes and an hour he teaches to understand much of the Latin tongue Eutrapilus Yes Sir that he doth to such as you have not too much cuffed and dulled and twig'd and fleaed Grantham M. Cuffum you are too hot if you cannot deny any of these several then they are true altogether you grant a man may learn a hundred words a day that way I speak on Cuffum That I grant Grantham You will grant a man may imitate sixe leaves in two dayes Cuffum I will not differ with you for that neither Grantham Then you will grant the Rules may be learned as I have expressed Cuffum Truly that I grant too onely this makes me averse although I conceive such a thing possible to be done yet because I never saw it done I am something incredulous Grantham Sir I can bring you sufficient proofe of this by Earles Lords Collonels Knights and Gentlemen all Parliament men Or take a shorter or a nearer way of triall Amongst many in my Schoole I have one not above ten yeares of age who hath been with me but a little above a year This boy will conster at the first fight presently out of the Greek Testament into good Latin Perhaps some place may stagger him for the present but he will soon overcome it Give him a Latin Author he shall conster a Leafe or two with a little consideration And so in a Greek Author Poet or Orator in any Dialect I teach him the Greek tongue because all the termes of Grammer all the termes of Tropes and Figures in Rhetorick are Greek and knowing the Originall he learnes that in a Moneth he could not learne without it in two yeares Cuffum Can he Accent a piece of Greek Grantham Any Greek in any Dialect Still I say he may be staggered but he will recover himselfe presently This Boy understood not two lines in his Accidence when he came to me and could not say one without Book and now he is skilled in eleven Greek Grammers and can prove any Greek or Latin verse that is laid before him and also make Eutrapilus Now let me see any Boy that hath gone ten yeares to the Schoole in any of your common Schooles do so much And Master Granthams Schollers playes ten times as much as any common Schooles Flea-buttock Syr we confesse it is very much and you do well to show a nearer way to Learning In the Preface to the Reader before the Grammer there are these words If one seeing by triall an easier and readier way then the common See the Preface to the Reader before the Grammer sort of Teachers would say what he hath proved and of the commodity allowed that others not knowing the same might by Experience prove the like Grantham Sir this way is best for common Schooles for a Master may teach as well a hundred as one because the way is by dictating and runs all upon the tongue if you have but one fine leading Boy the rest will come easily on unlesse they be very carelesse and will not give their minds to it at all As some will not unlesse they be cuffed and whipped which is against my way of teaching for I have not had a Rod in my Schoole many times for halfe a yeare together Eutrapilus Master Cuffum I will now make it appear to you you are far out of the way in teaching Mark Mountaign Lib. 1. cap 25. his words in his Essayes I must needs acknowledge that the Greek and Latin Tongues are great Ornaments in a Gentleman but they are purchased at an over high rate I will tell you how they may be gotten easier as it was tried in mine Education So soon as my tongue was loosed my Father had Schollers eminent for the Latin tongue who spoke nothing but Latin to me so that before I was sixe yeares of age I spake pure Latin full as readily as any Boy could his Mother tongue at that Age. Sir take another instance Let a Boy of seven or eight years of age be sent out of England into France he shall learn in a twelve moneth and lesse to write and speak the French tongue readily although he keep much company with English reade many English Books and write many English Letters home and all this with pleasure and delight Whereas many thousand who have gone to Free-Schooles two seven yeares for they keep them longest and there they rise up early and go to bed late shed many a reare both before and behinde and with all this Learning which hath been put into them like a Glister they cannot speak at all and they cannot write a piece of ordinary Latin unlesse they have Dictionaries and Phrase-Books and many of them have as much Greek as their Masters that is little or none at all Whosoever considers this must needs confesse we have not the knack of Teaching Grantham The Common-wealth suffers much in this tedious way of Teaching Very few of our Gentry are Schollers for at fourteen or fifteen the bloud growes hot and they scorn a yoak and then they are but punies in the Common-Schooles under the lowest or second Usher Now if there be three Masters in a Schoole three to one but a Boy miscarries under one For they are of severall dispositions and the Boy cannot agree with all A Boy will learne under one Master nor under another suppose a Boy passe the first Usher and second yet the highest Master with a great deal of paines care and diligence may make him as errand a Dunce as ever went to the University or as ever came from thence Eutrapilus Sir you may see more of this in a Book he writ Called The Brain-Breakers Breaker And in his Animadversions upon Cambdens Greek Grammer To be sold in Little Brittain over against the Clocke Gentlemen for the present Farewell Grantham Successe to you Gentlemen Cuss Twig-tail Fleab The like to you Farewell FINIS

A DISCOVRSE IN Derision of the Teaching in Free-Schooles and other common Schooles The Speakers on the One side are Masters of Free-Schooles CUFF-UM FLEA-BUTTOCK TVVIG-TAIL SIMON DOTTERIL a Citizen HUMPHRY GOOSE a Country Gentlemen And on the other side EUTRAPILUS a Traveller THOMAS GRANTHAM Professor of the Greek and Latin Tongues in London Simon Dotterill SAve you Master Grantham I am glad to sée you but would be gladder if you would not differ so much in your way of Teaching from these grave Schoole-masters Gentlemen I tell you all the Disputes are hot on both sides not onely here in London but elsewhere Eutrapilus Sir there is no hope of reconciliation so long as so many Knaves and Fooles are interested in the cause Dotteril Syr me thinks a little wit might easily disprove Master Granthams way Eutrapilus Sir then you are as sit a man as can be for that purpose I pray you let us hear what you can say Dotteril Syr the way of learning without Booke is an ancient approved way I remember thirty years ago I was whipt thrice for the thrée degrees of comparison because I could not say them without Book once for every degree Humphry Goose And I remember when I went to Schoole the Vsher tyed a knot of a Rush for every word I mist but I mist so many words that four or five rushes was not enough for me but then at last I got a trick to write my Lesson on the back side of my Book and so I could say it although my Masters face was many times towards me Eutrapilus Master Dotteril I could prove that Grammer it selfe is not the ancient way of learning a Language much lesse the learning of it word by word without Book for the Inventors of the Grammer you will grant had the Language before the Art But I will speak more plainly to you The Grammers which were before Lilly a were Viz. Priscianus Tertellius Lanciolotus Nicolaus Ferellus Georgius Valla Aldus Romanus Nestor Stoa Eristlin●s some of them almost as big as a Church Bible if you take out the Apocrypha and Common-Prayer Now to learne these word by word without Book was a taske passing the patience of an Asse Upon this Erasmus concludeth b Moriae Encomio That Grammer it self is enough to make a man spend his whole life in Tortures Dotteril Good Master Cuffum help me out I am absolutely gravelled Cuffum I say and will maintain that learning the Grammer word by word without Book is ancient and approved Grantham What is your reason Sir Cuffum What is your reason to the contrary Eutrapilus Sir if you should dispute so in an University you would be hissed at He asketh you to prove what you say and you bid him prove the contrary The task lyes on you to show a reason for what you say but there is no more to be expected from an Ass in praesents Cuffum Syr I can prove it hath been practised and commanded in the Preface to the Reader before the Grammer Eutrapiles Sir you were too much cuffed and dulled at Schoole to attain to any Logick There are many things practised that are not lawfull I therefore deny your sequell And in that Preface there is not a word of saying word by word without Book and there was never any command by Authority laid on the common Schooles for it Grantham There is in that Treatise much against your selves As that a Boy should not learn by Rote but by Reason See the Preface to the Reader before the Grammer But you teach first all the Grammer by Rote and after cuffe the understanding of it into him There are also these very words which are much against you That Boyes should not learn the Rules orderly as they lye in the Syntaxe but some little sentence should be given them and if there fall any necessary rule of the Syntaxe to be known then to learn it as the occasion of the sentence giveth cause that day But you teach all word by word without Book so that a Boy is confounded with a multitude of Rules and knowes nothing distinctly till he hath been cuffed and whipt seven yeares together So that Doctor Web saith they are sometimes twenty sometimes thirty before they go to the Vniversity I heard some say of good credit they knew one who confessed he was seven and thirty yeares of age before he came from Schoole to their Colledge Twigtail What way then do you say is the best Grantham Sir there are three things most necessary in a Language the words the Stile the Rules For the words a Boy may easily learn a thousand words in ten dayes that is a hundred words a day suppose a man allow an houre for twenty words in five houres he learneth a hundred words I have taught some that have learned a hundred words in an houre but I do not mean after the silly sustian way of learning in the common Schooles to say them all in order by rote like a Parrot but let him have an hundred English words and a hundred Latin words printed or writ he shall tell you Latin for any English word and this is the learning I mean Eutrapilus Now Mr. Twigtail and Mr. Flea-buttock you are both bound in conscience to conceive that he that understands one thousand must needs understand many thousands more for many derivatives compounds decompounds are understood by the help of the simples and he that understands thus much will understand most Authors he reads Dotteril But how shall they do for a stile Eutrap M. Dotteril I will show you by an example There is a certain bird which is a fool or a fowl or a foolish fowl called a Dotteril your own name-sake this bird if you see him thrust out his right wing thrust you out your right arm if he thrusts out his left leg thrust you out yours if he thrusts out his neck thrust you out yours and thus by imitating of him you will come so neare till you take him up in your hand And so in an Author where you see him place his adjective adverb or conjunction do you so to and by this imitation you will catch the strain of your Author and come to a great perfection If you imitate but six leaves in a translation which you may do in two dayes then you may come near the strain of the Author Twig-tail In this thing I am something satisfied Flea-buttock But what do you say for the Rules Grantham The rules I would reach thus First consider there are 8. parts of Speech for the 4. that are undeclined I bid my Scholler take very little care because they are not declined nor varied nor altered at all as you find an Adverbe or a Conjunction in one place so you finde him every where Of the other 4. I bid him take care but of two that is a Noun and a Verb for a Pronoun is much like to a Noun know one know the other a Participle