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A57585 The sixth part of The Christian-Quaker distinguished from the apostate & innovator being a just defence against the reproach of scandalous tongues and pens : and a proper looking-glass for a meeting in London, termed the second-days meeting, who are reputed the approvers of three books, or papers against a treatise entituled, The Christian-quaker, &c. in five parts given forth by W.R. on behalf of himself and other friends in truth concerned / by W.R.; Christian-Quaker distinguished from the apostate & innovator. Part 6 Rogers, William, d. ca. 1709. 1681 (1681) Wing R1863; ESTC R970 19,105 26

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published being above fourscore Sheets to manifest the reasonableness at least of one recriminating part of his Title but that he hath not done nay he is so far from it that he doth not pretend to cite one word out of all my Book more than the beginning of my very Title viz. The Christian Quaker distinguished from the Apostate and Innovator yet his Impudence is so great as page the 3d. to accuse me that my end in writing and printing is to abuse and misrepresent the faithful People of the Lord and especially such as have been Faithful Especially that Dear and Eminent Servant of God George Fox and to contradict his Blessed Life in which saith Christopher Taylor he is still made Instrumental in the Hand of the Lord to bring forth Blessed Things for the Service of God and his Truth from the Oracles of the Divine Breath to the Praise of his Name for ever As to Christopher Taylors last cited word for ever if his meaning be with relation to George Fox I say that if he had added if he keeps his Place and Habitation in the Truth to the end it would have shewed a better Understanding since we learn from the Holy Scriptures That if a Righteous Man turn from his Righteousness and commit Iniquity his Righteous Deeds which he hath done shall not be remembred To be plain if his meaning be as aforesaid Note his Brother John Blaykling ascribed Eternal Honour to George Fox See the Fifth Part of the Christian-Quaker page 77. it is cause of Jealousie that Christopher Taylor thinks that George Fox is more than a man as a publick Preacher on Discourse had touching George Fox once told me and not only so but such an one as shall never err nor fall else what is the meaning that Christopher Taylor should not only use the word for ever so unwarily if he spoke it with relation to George Fox but also reflect upon me at that ungodly rate as he hath and yet not mention any one particular thing distinct from a general Reflection more than what he saith of me touching George Fox as aforesaid for if a meer Opposition to George Fox or some other Man against whom I have written be not in it self Evil even as a meer Opposition to the Son of God that never erred is there is no reason for any one to take notice of one word written by Christopher Taylor against me especially since what I have brought forth in Print touching George Fox was after I had written to him many Letters of my Dissatisfaction concerning him and used my utmost Endeavour by writing to the General Meeting by speaking and writing to many Eminent Friends in the City of London and at length by Travel into divers Parts of the Nation on purpose to manifest the necessity that lay upon me to clear my Conscience in Print unless Satisfaction might be so far given as that I might obtain a hearing before Friends in Truth but that could not be obtained and my naked end was that if my complaint should appear to them to be just even as it was in it self it might without respect of Persons be taken notice of accordingly For a more particular account of my Christian Proceedings and Reasons for appearing in Print I refer to the Preface and Postscript to the first five Parts of the Christian-Quaker 'T is worthy Observation that there is a Preface to Christopher Taylors Epistle subscribed by John Bringhurst wherein he thus saith To all such who have or may have itching Ears to read the Book meaning the Christian-Quaker it rises in my Heart to caution you to forbear satisfying your Minds therein for the Enemy may take advantage upon you thereby to draw out your Minds to take every thing for granted that is therein Inserted and so cause you to look out at others instead of looking after trimming your own Lamps The Consideration of these Lines compared with one Part of Christopher Taylors Title viz. with wholsome Advice and Counsel by way of Information that the simple-minded may not be ensnared leads me to observe That the best way as to me appears that our Opposers have to keep the Simple-Minded from being insnared is to pin their Faiths on such as John Bringhurst and Christopher Taylor are and an uncertain number of uncertain qualified Persons called the Second-days Meeting 'T is easy to discern what a Body of Darkness is comprehended under such sort of Council for if it take place then those who are Simple-minded are no longer to see and hear for themselves but in the most favourable Construction must according to a late Doctrine have their Eye to the Brethren and yet me-thinks I behold a confusion amongst our Opposers even relating to this matter for the Substance of this Doctrine hath been of late also published in publick Meetings for Worship as before is hinted at viz. As in the natural Body the Eye is placed to see for all the rest of the Members so also in the Spiritual and hath been explained so as that it hath sometimes been taken That George Fox is an Eye for the whole Body and other times As if some other Person were an Eye for a Meeting neither of which Explanations agrees with this Doctrine Have your Eye to the Brethren Many Heads and Horn● may be exalted with such kind of Doctrines as these by which the Preachers of the Light of Christ as in the beginning may become a scorn and dirision Oh Babylonish Building the God of Heaven saith My Soul appear in his due time to pull it down Root and Branch that so that bright and glorious day wherein we were made Partakers of a measure of Christs Light Spirit and Grace renewing the Mind unto God by the vertuous Operation thereof in our own illuminated Hearts whereby we came to drink clear and pure water out of our own Cisterns may not at length be so obscured and overshadowed with such a Vail of Darkness as that any one of us may be zealously affected to partake of the muddy waters of anothers Cistern and reject our own that is pure So much at present may suffice to say on the occasion taken from Christopher Taylors Epistle I now come to take a little notice of Thomas Laurence's Sheet the Title runs thus William Rogers his Christian-Quaker manifested to be Antichristian he tell the Reader That he hath written a Book against Seperatists That the Price thereof is a Half-penny That he is 81 Years of Age and that two chief Points in Writing is to be Plain and Short That mine is neither Plain nor Short but Ambiguous Tedious Doubtful loaded with many Lerters Suppositions and Jealousies Reiterations and Parenthesis many and long Objections that will both trouble and weary the Reader I confess Thomas Laurence hath avoided the Rock that I by his Account have run upon however as short as he is he is not free from many Mistakes I will not call it his Brethrens
Method of Lying because Charity ob●iges me to think Thomas Laurence makes Conscience not to tell a wilful and known Lye and I am the more engaged to call them by the name of Mistakes because of his Age which he saith is 81 Years and that in the numbering the Sheets of my Book he hath mistaken many for he saith they are 100 Sheets when as they want of 90. A part of his Mistakes in his own words are these First Thou hast abused George Fox double 1st Judged him by Hear-say 2dly Judged him for advising to hide Goods in any Case Secondly You Preach up Doctrine but leave out Christs-Government and so you are rightly called Seperates putting asunder what God hath joyned together parting Husband and Wife cutting off the Body from the Head as if they were all Traytors Thirdly That we have asserted many things that are not true but proves it not Fourthly That George Fox was the first that did begin the difference amongst Friends by setting up Monthly and Quarterly Meetings Fifthly That the Seperates a nick-name put upon us will have no increase of Christs Government and yet in the 28 p. of the Third Part of my Book I assert in these words And since 't is undoubtedly so that of the Increase of Christs Government there shall be no End Sixthly That we charge our Opposers with Folly and Hypocresy that profess themselves Members of the True Church and Believes as the Church Believes Thomas Laurence quotes the Words of Christ as cited by me viz. As I hear I Judge that is saith Thomas Laurence hear the Party not report and so by his own false Construction of Christs words cited by me gives himself trouble to no purpose he further cites these following words That the Lord hath anointed and chosen George Fox to be in that Place amongst the Children of Light in this our day as Moses was amongst the Children of Israel in his day to set up Forms of Church-Government The Substance of the Words are laid down by me as seeming to be deducible from an Objection raised in the 9 pag. of the First Part he also saith that in the 29th page of the First Part I assert That the Place of Christs Government is only within in the Heart and further also that I assert It is repugnant to the Light in our Consciences to believe that Christs Government should rest upon any Man or Men to be Rulers over others He quotes not the Page that I may examine whether these last words are so laid down or not At present I have no Concern to trouble the Reader with what he saith thereto nor yet the rest of his Sheet which for the most part is touching his sense of Christs Government and to exalt the Service of George Fox above the Service of John Wilkinson and John Story his own Lines compared with his Title-Page and my Book is without any further Reply sufficient to shew his weakness my end in citing what Thomas Laurence hath cited of my words is chiefly to signifie that what I have so noted is all that he hath cited out of my Book to prove it Antichristian which when compared with the aforesaid Catalogue of Mistakes will no way erect the Title-Page Note A very Eminent Preacher as Tho. Laurence hath said dictated that Title unknown to him and contrary to his Mind nor yet the Person that was Dictator thereof nor yet the Second-days Meeting at London Observations on the Book partly in the Name of John Pennington and partly in the name of his Mother Mary Pennington The Title-Page runs thus John Penningtons Complaint against William Rogers relating to the Abuse and Injury done to the Memory of his worthy Father Isaac Pennington in misrepresenting and perverting some of his Writings in his Book Entituled the Christian-Quaker c. Whereunto is subjoined somewhat to manifest his Mother Mary Penningtons not shunning Sufferings for Truth c. occasioned by William Rogers his suggesting the contrary From the Title-Page two things may be expected by the Reader to be proved First That I misrepresent some of his Fathers Writings and Secondly That I pervert them They are both notoriously false and so will appear to any unbiassed Understanding Reader the Proof given by John Pennington is words of mine which he cites out of the 88 pag. of the Third Part of the Christian-Quaker viz. We think it necessary to cite a Testimony published in Print by Isaac Pennington the Younger in the Year 1660 being part of a discourse Entituled the Authority and Government which Christ excluded out of his Church As it lies altogether word for word and not taken by Parts and Pieces here and there these are all the Words of mine which he quotes for Proof and having done he treats thereon as if my words imported that I here would cite the whole Testimony of the said Isaac Pennington word for word and not by Parts and Pieces here and there when as my very words as they are cited by the said John Pennington clearly shew that my Intent and Purpose was to quote only one part of his discourse Entituled The Authority and Government which Christ excluded out of his Church as it lay altogether word for word and not taken by parts and Pieces here and there which I faithfully performed beginning at the beginning of a Paragraph after a full stop and so quoted about eight or ten sides without adding or deminishing a word and at length left off at a full stop nothing said by Isaac Pennington contradicts this the reason occurring in my Mind wherefore I so worded my meaning could not be to insinuate that I cited the whole Testimony because my very words declare that 't was but a part and the Motive wherefore I inserted these words as it lay altogether and not by parts and Pieces here and there was chiefly to quit my self from Jealousie that I had acted according to the Example of one of my Opposers within the City of Bristol who on a certain occasion had taken out of my writing a part of a Sentence in one place spoken on an occasion administred one day and a part of a Sentence in another place on an occasion administred another day and renders them in Manuscript as one entire Sentence spoken by me And forasmuch as John Pennington hath not laid down any of my words to shew wherein I have perverted some of his Fathers Writing I think it necessary to cite all that I say in relation to that Part of his Fathers Testimony which I have cited out of which words Perversion must be proved against me or else none can be proved at all the words do immediately follow what he hath cited to shew Misrepresentation and are these Our End in citing this Testimony is that the Impartial Reader may consider whether the said Testimony hath any Coherence with that part of the * Note meaning Rob Barclais 's Book of Government wherein he writ of a