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A32902 A testimony to the fulfilling the promise of God relating to such women who through the pouring out of Gods Spirit upon them are become prophetesses, daughters, and handmaidens and their prophecying, teaching, preaching,and praying through the operation of the Spirit of Christ, in the church proved lawfully by several plain Scripture testimonies and examples, out of both the Old and New Testaments, both under the time of the Law and also in the Gospel despensation, and the common objection alleged against the same from the Apostle Pauls words in I Cor. 14, 34 and I Tim. 2, 12 &c. clearly answered : recommended to the consciences of all that value the testimony of Holy Scripture / by one who hath diligently searched the Scripture, and hath had an high esteem thereof from his youth, Thomas Camm. Camm, Thomas, 1641-1707. 1689 (1689) Wing C396A; ESTC R5431 15,913 20

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come to the Knowledge of the Truth Here are the Women described that are not permitted to speak in the Church also the Speaking the vain Babling and unlearned Questions that grenders Strife from them that have a form of Godliness but deny the Power such Speakers and speaking is not permitted in the Church this tends not to Edification and Comfort and teaching good things and Prophecying doth that all may do in the Church that hath the Spirit poured upon them But such Questions are not proper or convenient in the Church they usurp Authority that are found in the Practice thereof there 's no such Order or Custom in the Churches of Christ for what 's there done is to be to Edification if Women that are thus idle busie-Bodies and Disorderly shall propose ask or speak any such things or Questions ought not to do it in the Church they are not permitted there but rather let them ask their Husbands or others at home such are unlearned not come to the knowledge of the Truth that sets Free but in the Sin and Bondage in the Transgression and Fall from God where the Subjection is to be kept under and the Husband is to rule over as saith the Law It s a Shame for such to Speak in the Church such are not Witnesses of the Restoration by Christ in whom Male and Female are all one and he in both may Speak in his Church Prophesie in his Church to Edification and Comfort that all may Learn and that all may be Edified and Comforted Secondly As to the Words of Paul to Timothy which are as followeth viz. But I suffer not a Woman to Teach nor Vsurp Authority over the Man but to be in Silence Here is not one word of Teaching in the Church but hath only relation to such as would usurp Authority over the Man which Paul permits not suffers not to teach in that Usurpation but such as are taught by the Spirit he permits and commands to teach others good things to Love and Obey their Husbands not to usurp Authority over them for all that comes to learn of Christ and his good Spirit they learn Meekness Humility and lowliness of Mind and such know how to Honour their Husbands Obey their Husbands and are thereby preserved out of the Usurpation though God by his Spirit that 's not to be limited may make them Instrumental to Instruct their Husbands as he did by Sarah and Abraham her Husband was commanded of God to Obey and Answer what she Taught or Instructed him in yet the Apostle saith She called Abraham her Husband Lord here is no Usurpation there Wherefore its clear that Paul's Words of not permitting or suffering Women to Speak had only relation to the Unlearned Unruly the Usurpers of Authority amongst the Corinthians or other Churches such as usurped Authority over the Man such are to be slent they are not permitted to Speak in the Church they Minister Strife and Contention and there 's no such custom in the Church of Christ Further it may very properly be queried of all Objecters in this wise That if Women must Learn of their Husbands at Home of whom then must they Learn that have no Husbands if there be no other way of Learning then must they be concluded in Ignorance to remain But Philip's four Daughters had no outward Husbands to Learn of Paul saith they were Virgins yet well Learned they did Prophesie wherefore the prohibition by him of not speaking belongs not to nor hath any relation to them nor such other they may notwithstanding Speak and Prophesie in the Church and all others who have the Spirit of Prophesie poured out upon them as the same Spirit moves and gives utterance Now to conclude God Almighty that 's greater then all hath said They shall Prophesie and Daughters and Handmaids have Prophesied both in time of the Law and Gospel Dispensation in the Churches or Congregation Christ the Lord and Law-giver hath Commanded and Commissioned Women to Teach or Preach or Prophesie in the Church as before is clearly demonstrated and they obeyed and practiced moreover Paul hath commended Daughters and Handmaids to the Churches Commanded to receive and assist them and to help those Women that laboured with him in the Gospel they did Prophesie saith he Therefore let all Gain-sayers and Contradictors of God Alimighty of Christ Jesus the Lord and Law-giver and the Apostle Paul cease therefrom and stop their Mouths for ever and let the Unlearned and Unstable cease to pervert or wrest the Holy Scriptures for such know not the meaning of the Spirit that spoke in the Prophets and Apostles Holy Men and Women that have given out the Holy Scriptures by Inspiration of God and is profitable for Doctrine for Reproof for Correction for Instruction in Righteousness and are able to make wise unto Salvation through Faith which is in Christ Jesus that the Man of God may be perfect throughly furnished unto all good Works Glory to God for the unspeakable Comfort thereof administered through the Holy Spirit A POSTSCRIPT of some Testimonies shewing that the Apostles Precepts against Womens Speaking was not universal and that Women have had a Service in the universal Church in several Ages BEfore the Law was given Miriam was given for a Prophetess Exod. 15.20 Mica 6.4 And among the Gentiles under the Law of Nature as 't is called the Sibyls in several Ages prophesied Augustin saith By the same Spirit of God that the Prophets did to the Jews Decivit dei l. 18. c. 18. And Bishop Montagues writes a whole Book about that matter Acts and Monuments before Christ the 9th Book And for Womens Services under the Law and under the Gospel Bishop John Bridges writes near a whole Book Defence c. 9th Book where he shews that though Calvin was the vehementest against Womens Teaching of all that he had read yet he makes his concession this That as necessity might require this Precept of Paul of the ordinary course maketh no absolute debar to all manner of Women but that now and then some may speak lawfully Yea and their Voice is requisit even in the most sacred publick and greatest Assemblies of the Churches The said J. Bridges also brings the further Concessions of Peter Martyr Musculus Marlorat Alesius Aretius and other emnient Teachers all granting Paul's precept not to be an universal restraint bringing the Examples of Women under the Law as well as Gospel times for instances as Philip's Daughters Anna Deborah Hulda Hannab The Womans Claim Deut. 25.7 9. Abigal the Woman of Abel 2 Sam. 20.18 The Mother of the seven Sons 2 Mac. 7. Judith The Woman Luk. 11.27 The Virgin Mary The Woman Matth. 9.20 and Luke 8.44 The Woman of Canaan Matth. 15.22 The Woman of Samaria Miriam Elizabeth Samson's Mother Judg. 13.22 The captive Maid 2 Kings 5.2 and others That though they be under subjection yet they may speak counsel and teach So Bridges says Defence lib. 1. which I
have heard was set out in Churches That Extraordinary Gifts are not altogether ceased in the Church Gualter an Entertainer and Adviser of Queen Elizabeth's Bishops on Rom. 16. says Paul is not ashamed to call Priscilla his fellow-Helper not ashamed of a Woman at the Church of Rome whose Faith was spoken of through the World. That she was the first named because perhaps she was first converted and more known afterwards instructing her Husband they expounded the Way of the Lord to Apollos and without doubt to many others making their House a publick Meeting-House in time of Persecution Augustin saith Every Father and Mother in a Family should play the Bishop So Gualter called the learned who speaks there much against the haughtiness of the Clergy despising mean helps knowing that in Jesus Christ there is neither Male nor Female So Dr. Cave says Prim. Christ part 1. c. 8. He meets with frequent mention of Deaconesses in ancient Writings as Phebe two Maids in Pliny's Letter to the Emperor Clem. Alex. strom l. 3. Of 〈…〉 calls them She 〈…〉 W. Tindal that famous Martyr in his Answer to Sr Thomas Moor pag. 322. and 287. says In some cases Women may Teach and Baptize and Rule their Husbands too if they be besides themselves Yea says he if Histories be true Women have preached since the opening of the New-Testament And in four Historians of the ancient Church Socrat. l. 1. c. 16. Theod. l. 1. c. 24. Sozom. l. 2. c. 6. Niceph. l. 8. c. 34. we find that a Woman converted the Nation of the Iberes who first converted the King then he preached to the men and she and the Queen to the Women Puffinus saith he received it from Bocurius their first Ruler And even in declining and corrupter times mention is made in Histories what liberty Women had in some Councils As in Wilfrid Samms Brit. a chief Bishops time when he would excommunicate the Scots and Northern English because they would not receive the Romish Rites Hilda Abbess of Whitby in Yorkshire withstood him Illyricus test verit And also in his time in a Council at Baconkeld five Kentish Abesses were not only present but subscribed their Names above all Presbyters and a Bishop G. G. Brit. ch hist Cent. 7. And Illyricus mentions another English Abbess that wrote to the Pope in defence of Ancient Canons And Heldegardis she instructed the Pope in his Life Prophesied c. whom Ja. Max●ell in his Book of Prophesies dedicated to K. James's Bishops produces with many other Women And in the Council of Trent it was confessed That the Service of women in the Church was degenerated Hist Counc of Trent l. 2. In the year 1414. Joan VVhite taught spread her husbands doctrine J. Fox Martyr And Dr. Rol. Taylor speaks of Womens Services In the last Age a Woman was principal Ordinary in the Church hers and in her time there remained Permission for Women to Baptize as well as in her Sisters time Conference at Hampton-Court and I find nothing but there doth yet and then why not to Preach For many therein are permitted to Preach yet not to Baptize And t is a Rule that they that may do the greater may do the lesser However they are not only permitted but commanded in the Liturgies Rubrick to speak in the repetition of the Creed Responses Psalms c. if they be of the Congregation though not Prophe●eises For all are not Prophets Paul says whose restraint therefore is not universal confessed by Judgment and Practice but on occasion of Abuse as Jerom says and Calvin too RICHARD RICHARDSON THE END