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A92172	A briefe narration of some church courses held in opinion and practise in the churches lately erected in New England. Collected out of sundry of their own printed papers and manuscripts with other good intelligences. Together with some short hints (given by the way) of their correspondence with the like tenents and practises of the separatists churches. And some short animadversions upon some principall passages for the benefit of the vulgar reader. Presented to publike view for the good of the church of God by W. R.	Rathband, William, d. 1695.	1644 (1644)	Wing R298; Thomason E36_11; ESTC R21802	84,830	61

the like he saying to her I le be thy husband and she to him I le be thy wife if there were no defect in the covenant or otherwise but want of mentioning the mutuall duties that by Gods law belong to married persons I beleeve that would never make it null nor would that their covenant the lesse bind them to such mutuall duties because the particulars were not exprest in the covenant at the marriage-making fellowship and Church duties Discourse of Cov. p. 4 7 8 26. Ans to 9. Pos p. 75. with application to this particular Church b As this covenant is destructive to our Churches so is it apt to cause schismes and separations of one Church from another even amongst themselves It s a partition wall as one cals it built up to hinder that communion that ought to be among Churches and that care that one Church and member ought to have of another Here being so strict a tye to the duties belonging to our own Church and the members thereof but not a word of any dutie to be performed to other Churches or their members So that if a member of the same Church with my selfe want watching counsell reproofe c. my covenant binds me to performe accordingly But if one of another Church doe need as much and I have fit opportunitie c. yet by this covenant I have nothing to doe with him he is without to me 1 Cor. 5.12 onely to which one is now to be joyned by this covenant Discourse of Cov. p. 10 15 28. Ans to 9. Pos p. 75. 5. And this covenant is made by every member both with God and the Church and by the Church also backe againe with every member Discourse of Cov. p. 4 10 12. J.W. ans to 10. quest R.M. to W.R. 6. And thus they define it c All the middle part of this definition explaines the matter of a true Church Of which in the former Chapter onely the beginning and end doe shew the nature of the Covenant which they call the Forme of which here in this Chapter ' Its a solemne and publike Promise before the Lord and his people whereby a companie of Christians called by the power and mercie of God to the fellowship of Christ and by his providence to dwell together and by his Grace to love and cleave together in the unitie of faith and brotherly love and desirous to partake according to the will of God in all the holy Ordinances of God together in one Congregation doe bind themselves to the Lord to walke in all such d The words are good and faire but he that takes this covenant had need to consider that in the sense of them that give it The waies of God are their wayes of Church constitution and popular Government which if he be not upon good ground satisfied that they are indeed the wayes of God then how can he safely ingage himselfe to them by this covenant and that not only to be a patient to tolerate what he cannot mend but even to act with them also in the same Our brethren conceive that a Minister in swearing canonicall obedience in omnibus licitis honestis to a Bishop did thereby justifie Episcopacie And doe not by the same reason all that take this covenant justifie popularitie and independencie wayes of holy worship to him and of edification one towards another as God himselfe hath required in his word of every Church of Christ and the members thereof Apol. p. 5. Discourse of Cov. p. 3. Apol. p. 5. 7. The properties hereof 1. It is sacred not civill Discourse of Cov. p. 3 4. 2. It must be publike before all the Church Discourse of Cov. p. 4 17 R.M. to W.R. 3. Vocall and expresse J.W. ans to 10. quest Apol. p. 45. 4. So firmely binding as that it cannot be loosed without the consent of the Church Of which see more after 8. After all this rigourous exacting of this Covenant sometimes they mollifie the matter and tell us That an e If so little wil serve what need such outcries for more and the truth of all Churches to be questioned such sharpe contentions amongst brethren to be raised and sad separations of one Church and Christian from another to be made about and for want of an express covenant as essentiall and absolutely necessary to Church estate agreement or consent to be members of this or that societie and to walk with them in Church fellowship will serve and is equivalent Apol. p. 32 44. Discourse of Cov. p. 21 22 23. T.G. to J.G. And sometimes in stead of exacting this covenant they onely inquire what is mens intention whether they intend to doe so or no and if they intend it that sufficeth Mr W. to Mr P. And as for us they sometimes acknowledge that ourconsent to the law of the land made by King and Parliament appointing that all such as sit down within such precincts shall be of this or that Parish or Church is an implicite covenant Apol. p. 14. and sometimes that our promise to beleeve walk according to our Articles of Religion is sufficient Discourse of Cov. p. 40. 9. This Covenant amongst them though for substance of matter it be all one in all their Churches yet in forme of words it is divers in divers Churches but in the same Church it is ever in one and the same f Here we have a set forme of holy Covenant in the Church a principall part of worship invented by one or more men perhaps of a former age and imposed upon others even as many as shall enter into that Church read also upon a book And what is this better or more lawfull then such a set forme of Prayer especially since this covenant is imposed as an Ordinance of God and absolutely necestarie so as no book prayer is And seeing the matter is confest to be all one in all Churches why may not the forme also be lawfully all one by mutuall agreement And if one forme of covenant be lawfull for all the Churches consociated why not one forme of Leitourgy or Directorie for worship also Forme of words as well as matter and therefore put in writing and when any one is admitted it is then read either by the party himselfe that is admitted or else unto him by some other man whereunto he is to give his assent R.M. to W.R. Apol. p. 5. 10. One or two of their formes I will here insert that the Reader may the better by example take up their sense touching this Covenant 1. The Covenant of the English Church at Roterdame as is reported to us renewed when Mr H.P. was made their Pastour was to this effect WE whose names are here-under written having a long time found by sad experience how uncomfortable it is to walk in a disordered and unsetled condition c. 1. g g All things in these two formes in a fait construction are very good but

to W. R. ‑ R. W. to I. L. ‑ Mr M. to I. M. ‑ Mr L. to his parents c. And threaten us with destruction eo nomine inviting therefore all they can to depart from us as from Babel Ibid. and doctrinally teaching separation from us as a dutie Ans to 32. q. p. 32. And herein some of them are so cruelly kinde unto us that they professe to be grieved that we have here any Preaching or Ordinances at all in our way wishing we had none at all that so we might be forced to fall into their Church-wayes for the enjoyment of them Mr M. to I. M. And what is here said of their opinion of the truth of our Churches the same is for substance to be understood of the truth of our Church Ministerie Object You may as well call the good old non-conformists Brownists as these men who have followed them in these their opinions and practises as their guides Answ In like manner doe the Brownists father their separation also upon the Non-conformists but both forts do it unjustly that the Brownists doe it unjustly he that will may see by Mr Balls book against Mr Canne upon that very point and in good part by another book lately printed called a grave confutation of the errours of the Brownists made long since by sundry Godly Divines which in their times suffred in the cause of inconformitie For my selfe at this time I may not I will not attempt to give satisfaction at large to this objection onely this I say for the present that in such things wherein either the Brownists or these brethren do mainly differ from other the best reformed Churches they have no consent or approbation from the Non-conformists at all nay contrarily by many undeniable evidences from their writings and practises it will appeare that they have ever stiffely opposed and conflicted with all popular and independent government in behalfe of that we call Presbyteriall True indeed some of them especially in their polemicke writings while they had the Prelacie in their eye and no considerable adversarie but that to contest withall did perhaps somewhat unwarily as may befall the best and best learned men in such cases let fall some few things which those brethren make their advantage of As that 1.2 particular Church ought onely to consist of one Congregation 2. That each particular Church hath power to transact all its own matters 3. That this power is seated in the body Many more then these I doe not now remember which are in question between us and these brethren But 1. these things they hold not as now cur brethren doe as if every small company of 7.8 or 9. might make such a complete Church or Congregation to transact all their own businesses independently without assistance of or being accountable unto classicall or higher combinations nor that this power is seated in such a Congregation without their officers or that they can exercise it any otherwayes but by them But if any of them have gone far as it s more then I know so it s more then I will defend But if all these in the Non-conformists sense-were granted it would doe our brethren little good 2. Besides suppose they had the Non-conformists their guides in these three and three more of their Church courses in question yet would not this reach to cover and hide the nakednesse of all the rest Object We see the most of the better sort goe this way now Answ I beleeve not the most by many but if it were so that were no good argument to justifie it 1. Because of those that doe go that way a great number are Anabaptists Familists and Antinomians c. who all willingly choose to fall into the same channell of popularitie and independencie perhaps partly out of designe to make a more considerable I say not sormidable party that so either for favour or feare they may be the more indulged partly because it suites so well with mans proud nature for every man by his good will would rule and no man would willingly depend upon or be obnoxious unto another 2. Most good mens affections are strong when oft their judgements are weake 3. All men are ever apt to run into extremes hence it is that whiles they fly prelaticall tyranny they easily fall into popular Anarchy 4. The noveltie of the course 5. The peoples good opinion of the persons that way siding and drawing 6. And the advantage the said persons have had whereby to screw themselves further and further into the peoples good opinion and affection by being ever imployed in the chiefest work of the ministerie in some of the chiefest of our Churches although they have been so farre from acknowledging themselves ministers as that they doe not so much as acknowledge themselves as members of any of our Churches but as to us according to their own rule altogether without Object This seemes to reflect upon our brethren that come out of Holland but these are not so rigid as the rest what is this Relation to them Arsw It concernes them I grant not so much nor so directly yet in some sort it doth 1. Because sometimes they tell us they are of the same way with the N. E. brethren 2. Both their disputes and practises so farre as they are knowne doe all look that way 3. Their lying so close lockt up and reserved in many things makes them I conceive not without cause the more suspected For truth seeks no corners no cloaks If therefore now by this occasion they would please to put out according to their promise not a mock-Natrative a meere gull such as the last was but as a true so a full perfect and plaine discovery of their opinions in these things from point to point and from end to end I should heartily rejoyce as in the much desired fruit of this my poore labour That so all misunderstandings and mispristons being removed and we rightly enformed of the just latitude of their and our differences we might either more hopefully addresse our selves to satisfie their judgements or else if that cannot be obtained the more willingly condescend to move with them for the favouring of their consciences according to the rules of Pietie and prudence in such things as are capable of toleration and indulgence But lest good Reader I should be tedious to thee I will cease to pursue these things any further at this time And praying the God of peace and truth to send down his Spirit into all our hearts to lead us into both that we with all his may truth it in love and may all serve one God with one heart according to one way even his own will revealed in his Word To him I commit thee FINIS