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A49439 An answer to Mr. Hobbs his Leviathan with observations, censures, and confutations of divers errours, beginning at the seventeenth chapter of that book / by William Lucy ... Lucy, William, 1594-1677. 1673 (1673) Wing L3452; ESTC R4448 190,791 291

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the_o receiver_n or_o use_v of_o it_o insomuch_o as_o no_o command_n can_v be_v give_v concern_v that_o or_o sanctity_n as_o he_o speak_v there_o certain_o natural_a reason_n have_v nothing_o to_o do_v with_o it_o and_o as_o there_o i_o be_v force_v to_o prove_v the_o concurrence_n of_o man_n in_o these_o heavenly_a duty_n so_o here_o to_o justify_v his_o former_a doctrine_n i_o must_v prove_v the_o co-operation_n of_o god_n which_o he_o seem_v to_o deny_v let_v the_o reader_n put_v that_o with_o this_o and_o he_o shall_v find_v the_o affirmative_a part_n true_a and_o the_o negative_a false_a in_o both_o chap._n xxiii_o sect_n vii_o sovereign_n oblige_a by_o the_o positive_a law_n of_o god_n the_o law_n of_o nation_n the_o law_n natural_n the_o royal_a law_n or_o law_n of_o government_n obligatory_a to_o the_o sovereign_a the_o sovereign_a free_a from_o penal_a law_n a_o four_o opinion_n repugnant_a to_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o commonwealth_n be_v this_o that_o he_o that_o have_v the_o 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argument_n à_fw-la posteriori_fw-la such_o effect_n not_o producible_a but_o from_o a_o divine_a law_n if_o we_o descend_v to_o the_o apostle_n we_o shall_v find_v they_o be_v a_o sort_n of_o man_n of_o mean_a extraction_n and_o education_n how_o can_v it_o be_v possible_a that_o they_o unless_o by_o revelation_n shall_v attain_v to_o such_o a_o efficacy_n of_o preach_v as_o to_o be_v able_a to_o convince_v the_o whole_a world_n and_o preach_v this_o divine_a philosophy_n how_o come_v they_o by_o the_o power_n of_o tongue_n to_o be_v able_a to_o travel_v through_o the_o world_n and_o preach_v to_o every_o man_n in_o his_o own_o language_n but_o by_o the_o supernatural_a assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n why_o will_v they_o undertake_v the_o work_n through_o such_o cruel_a persecution_n foretell_v they_o that_o they_o shall_v be_v as_o sheep_n among_o wolf_n but_o that_o it_o be_v a_o duty_n enjoin_v they_o from_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o they_o be_v sure_a that_o he_o who_o 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