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tom_fw-mi 3._o fol._n 568_o the_o church_n have_v no_o true_a ministry_n under_o antichrist_n ministry_n no_o true_a ministry_n upon_o the_o 25._o of_o genesis_n tom_n 6._o fol._n 319_o in_o our_o time_n after_o those_o popish_a monster_n the_o true_a knowledge_n of_o the_o word_n and_o of_o divine_a ordination_n be_v extinguish_v and_o upon_o the_o 49._o chap._n fol._n 655_o extinguish_v extinguish_v we_o be_v not_o the_o church_n for_o any_o ordinary_a succession_n caluin_n epist_n 290_o because_o the_o true_a rank_n of_o ordination_n be_v break_v of_o by_o the_o tyranny_n of_o the_o pope_n now_o we_o need_v have_v new_a help_n to_o raise_v again_o the_o church_n of_o break_a of_o and_o in_o answer_n to_o sadolet_n pag._n 132._o he_o write_v that_o when_o the_o supremacy_n of_o the_o pope_n be_v set_v up_o the_o true_a order_n of_o the_o church_n perish_v perish_v perish_v and_o of_o true_a reformation_n p._n 322_o not_o without_o cause_n do_v we_o avouch_v the_o church_n of_o god_n for_o some_o age_n to_o have_v be_v so_o ioâ—ne_a and_o scatter_v that_o be_v it_o be_v destitute_a of_o true_a pastor_n beza_n in_o his_o catechism_n pastor_n destitute_a of_o pastor_n title_n of_o the_o church_n cap._n 5_o sect_n 18_o in_o our_o time_n it_o come_v to_o pass_v thing_n be_v so_o fall_v down_o that_o there_o be_v leave_v no_o place_n for_o ordinary_a vocation_n and_o epist_n 5._o pag._n 39_o in_o our_o time_n ordinary_a vocation_n where_o ordinary_a vocation_n no_o where_o which_o no_o where_n be_v neither_o can_v nor_o aught_o to_o be_v expect_v and_o epist_n 24_o you_o know_v be_v teach_v by_o fresh_a example_n how_o the_o public_a ministry_n be_v as_o it_o be_v overwhelm_v for_o a_o time_n yet_o the_o church_n of_o god_n remain_v and_o epist_n 81_o the_o matter_n come_v to_o that_o pass_n ground_n overthrow_v to_o the_o ground_n that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a order_n be_v whole_o overthrow_v even_o to_o the_o foundation_n the_o vain_a name_n thereof_o only_o remain_v and_o lib._n de_fw-fr notis_n eccles_n pag._n 82_o they_o who_o in_o our_o memory_n have_v free_v the_o church_n from_o the_o tyranny_n of_o antichrist_n have_v none_o of_o who_o they_o may_v lawful_o ask_v or_o receive_v imposition_n of_o hand_n and_o epist_n 86_o it_o be_v manife_a that_o for_o some_o age_n lawful_a order_n be_v quite_o abolish_v in_o the_o church_n abolish_v quite_o abolish_v none_o not_o so_o much_o as_o the_o slender_a shadow_n of_o the_o chief_a part_n of_o ecclesiastical_a call_n remain_v the_o french_a confession_n art_n 31_o sometime_o as_o in_o our_o age_n the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n be_v interrupt_v it_o be_v needful_a that_o some_o pastor_n shall_v be_v extraordinary_o raise_v of_o god_n sadeel_n also_o de_fw-la vocat_fw-la ministrorum_fw-la p._n 556._o say_v that_o true_a order_n of_o pastor_n be_v interrupt_v d._n whitaker_n cont._n 2._o quest_n 5._o cap._n 6._o pag._n 510_o we_o say_v that_o our_o man_n calling_n be_v not_o ordinary_a but_o extraordinary_a corrupt_v whole_o corrupt_v because_o ordinary_a call_n be_v whole_o corrupt_v again_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n be_v fall_v and_o whole_o overturn_v and_o pag._n 612_o when_o ordinary_a succession_n be_v corrupt_v god_n find_v a_o extraordinary_a way_n by_o which_o the_o church_n may_v be_v restore_v for_o god_n will_v that_o this_o restauration_n shall_v be_v make_v not_o in_o the_o old_a foundation_n that_o be_v in_o succession_n of_o bishop_n but_o after_o a_o certain_a new_a extraordinary_a manner_n and_o d._n white_a in_o defence_n of_o his_o way_n cap_n 49._o pag._n 421_o find_v no_o other_o kind_n of_o pastor_n say_v that_o the_o protestant_a pastor_n be_v even_o those_o who_o live_v in_o communion_n of_o the_o roman_a greek_a armenian_a and_o such_o like_a church_n and_o add_v that_o his_o adversary_n do_v deceive_v the_o reader_n when_o he_o intimate_v that_o protestant_n go_v
93._o 238._o 488._o 493._o 493._o tom_n 3._o fol._n 555_o tom_n 5._o fol._n 290._o tom_n 6._o fol._n 79._o and_o other_o where_o often_o second_o it_o arise_v that_o true_a protestancie_n be_v call_v lutheran_n doctrine_n the_o lutheran_n cause_n the_o lutheran_n religion_n lutheran_n protestant_n term_v themselves_o lutheran_n the_o lutheran_n business_n and_o lutheranisme_n of_o luther_n himself_o tom_n 2._o fol._n 37._o and_o 497._o of_o frederick_n the_o electour_n tom_fw-mi 1_o lutheri_fw-la fol._n 237._o of_o his_o counsellor_n tom_n 2._o fol._n 116._o of_o the_o divine_v of_o mansfeld_n in_o schusselburg_n tom_n 8._o pag._n 270._o of_o schusselburg_n himself_o epist_n dedicat_fw-la tom_fw-mi 4._o of_o melancthon_n tom_n 2._o lutheri_fw-la fol._n 193._o 197._o of_o kemmice_n epist_n dedicat_fw-la lib._n de_fw-fr duabus_fw-la naturis_fw-la of_o hutter_n in_o analysi_fw-la confess_v august_n pag._n 595._o of_o brunsfelse_a respon_n ad_fw-la spongiam_fw-la erasmi_n or_o lobeenâ—us_o in_o epist_n dedicat_fw-la disput_fw-la oâ—_n george_n fabritius_n l_o b._n 1_n &_o 8._o orig._n saxon._n and_o of_o other_o lutheran_n and_o in_o like_a manner_n of_o sacramenttary_n also_o as_o of_o bucer_n in_o matth._n 26._o &_o lib._n de_fw-fr cura_fw-la animorum_fw-la pag._n 261._o of_o hospin_n prefat_n part_n 2_o histor_n of_o scultere_fw-la con._n saecular_a of_o d._n morton_n 1._o part_n apol._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 45._o and_o other_o three_o thereof_o proceed_v that_o the_o true_a and_o proper_a protestant_n be_v call_v lutheran_n both_o of_o themselves_o and_o of_o other_o for_o thus_o speak_v luther_n in_o psalm_n 118._o tom_n 7._o fol._n 551_o i_o grant_v myself_o to_o be_v a_o lutheran_n and_o in_o like_a manner_n speak_v he_o ibidem_fw-la fol._n 79._o 242._o 233._o 361._o &_o 400._o and_o tom_n 2._o fol._n 473._o and_o in_o hospin_n part_n 2._o fol._n 134._o so_o also_o speak_v melancthon_n in_o dominicam_fw-la 8._o trinit_fw-la tom_fw-mi 1._o and_o in_o hospin_n lib._n cit_fw-la fol._n 72._o and_o brentius_n also_o ibid._n fol._n 107._o so_o speak_v the_o confession_n of_o saxony_n in_o the_o preface_n and_o the_o saxon_a minister_n in_o the_o conference_n of_o aldburg_n pag._n 60._o vrban_n regius_n in_o judicio_fw-la de_fw-la conuentu_fw-la norimberg_n pag._n 9_o amsdorse_v in_o bucer_n in_o scriptis_fw-la anglicis_fw-la p._n 635._o matheus_n index_n in_o edicto_fw-la aeterni_fw-la dei_fw-la james_n andrew_n in_fw-la colloq_fw-la montisbel_n pag._n 179._o yea_o graver_n in_o the_o preface_n of_o his_o caluinisticall_a absurdity_n dedicate_v his_o book_n unto_o the_o proper_a lutheran_n and_o pag._n 61._o affirm_v that_o their_o man_n be_v call_v lutheran_n that_o they_o may_v be_v distinguish_v from_o papist_n and_o caluinist_n scusselburg_n tom_n 17._o catal._n pag._n 866._o say_v the_o divines_n of_o our_o part_n call_v themselves_o and_o the_o defender_n of_o their_o opinion_n lutheran_n which_o also_o affirm_v reineccius_n tom_n 1._o armat_fw-la cap._n ult._n hutten_n in_o expostulat_fw-la cum_fw-la erasm_n say_v i_o acknowledge_v the_o name_n of_o lutheran_n and_o hailbruner_n we_o be_v not_o ashamed_a of_o the_o name_n and_o andrew_n schafman_n in_o prodromo_fw-la bring_v many_o reason_n to_o prove_v that_o they_o do_v well_o in_o call_v themselves_o lutheran_n and_o those_o of_o berga_n as_o hospin_n report_v in_o concord_n discord_n c._n 20._o say_v that_o all_o the_o sincere_a doctor_n of_o the_o church_n call_v themselves_o lutheran_n of_o luther_n the_o same_o also_o testify_v the_o sacramentary_n for_o those_o of_o new_a stade_fw-la against_o the_o book_n of_o concord_n cap_n 6._o pag._n 213._o say_v they_o account_v none_o a_o sincere_a disciple_n of_o christ_n unless_o he_o will_v be_v call_v as_o well_o a_o lutheran_n as_o a_o christian_a the_o author_n of_o the_o orthodox_n consent_v in_o prefat_n apologet._n they_o take_v to_o themselves_o faction_n name_n upon_o a_o preposterous_a and_o too_o great_a eastern_a of_o their_o master_n parcus_n in_o cap_n 2._o galat._n sect_n 24_o they_o do_v not_o only_o call_v themselves_o lutheran_n of_o luther_n but_o also_o will_v be_v so_o call_v of_o all_o beza_n in_o conspicil_n pag._n 8_o you_o all_o will_v be_v name_v and_o call_v lutheran_n and_o pag._n 56_o not_o content_a with_o the_o name_n of_o christian_n they_o call_v themselves_o lutheran_n and_o rejoice_v to_o be_v so_o call_v danaeus_n apol._n cont_n jac._n andrâ—ae_n say_v that_o he_o glori_v in_o luther_n as_o in_o another_o christ_n of_o who_o every_o where_n be_v thunder_v &_o call_v himself_o a_o lutheran_n a_o lutheran_n etc._n etc._n and_o resp_n ad_fw-la selnecer_n he_o say_v that_o selnecer_n free_o confess_v that_o the_o ducth_z church_n term_v themselves_o lutheran_n vrsin_n in_o catechism_n pag_n 494._o say_v this_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o they_o who_o call_v themselves_o lutheran_n zauchius_n epist_n dedicat_fw-la miscellan_n many_o be_v not_o ashamed_a even_o in_o print_a book_n to_o all_o themselves_o lutheran_n and_o jezler_n de_fw-fr bello_fw-la euchar._n fol._n 115_o some_o have_v no_o shame_n even_o in_o pulpit_n to_o say_v we_o will_v be_v lutheran_n constant_o and_o at_o some_o time_n even_o the_o sacramentary_n seem_v to_o be_v desirous_a of_o the_o surname_n of_o lutheran_n for_o those_o of_o newstade_n in_o admonit_n de_fw-fr lib_n concordiae_fw-la pag._n 106._o compliane_n that_o some_o will_v seem_v to_o be_v the_o only_a disciple_n of_o luther_n musculus_fw-la in_o locis_fw-la tit_n de_fw-fr haeresi_fw-la pag_n 604._o say_v no_o man_n condemn_v true_a lutheran_n unless_o he_o be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o truth_n or_o very_o naughty_a and_o the_o protestant_a prince_n of_o germany_n in_o thuan._n lib._n 79._o histor_n pag._n 595._o relate_v that_o the_o king_n of_o navarre_n write_v to_o they_o that_o if_o the_o french_a protestant_n be_v to_o be_v term_v of_o any_o man_n they_o ouâ—ht_v most_o of_o all_o to_o be_v call_v lutheran_n because_o when_o this_o name_n be_v odious_a in_o france_n for_o almost_o therscore_a year_n many_o by_o fire_n by_o rack_n be_v death_n seal_v with_o their_o blood_n the_o testimony_n of_o that_o doctrine_n which_o they_o receive_v first_o of_o luther_n scultete_n also_o in_o concionâ—_n saeculari_fw-la compare_v luther_n with_o the_o apostolical_a man_n beside_o the_o sacramentary_n call_v luther_n true_a follwer_n lutheran_n as_o zuinglius_fw-la tom_n 1._o fol._n 420._o 436._o 470._o oecolampadius_n ibidem_fw-la fol._n 479._o and_o in_o hospin_n part_n 2._o fol._n 84._o 112._o 126._o tigurini_fw-la ibidem_fw-la fol_z 88_o bucer_n in_o cap_n rom._n &_o in_o scriptis_fw-la angl._n pag._n 669._o martyr_n tom_n 2._o loc_fw-la epist_n ad_fw-la caluin_n hospin_n lib._n cit_fw-la fol._n 91._o caluin_n in_o zancius_n lib._n 2._o epist_n pag._n 78._o daneus_fw-la ibidem_fw-la pag._n 401._o zanchius_n himself_o pag._n 394._o pareus_n lib._n 5._o the_o amiss_o great_a cap._n 1._o &_o 2._o lib_n 4._o cap._n 17_o lib._n 6_o cap._n 1._o vorstius_n in_o antibellarm_n pag._n 561._o d._n whitaker_n count_v 1._o quest_n 2._o cap._n 3._o and_o quest_n 5._o c._n 8._o and_o quest_n 6._o cap._n 9_o cont_n 4._o quest_n 5._o cap._n 3._o &_o lib._n 3._o de_fw-la concupisc_fw-la cap._n 9_o &_o lib._n 3._o de_fw-fr scrip._n cap._n 2_o sect_n 3._o d._n fulke_o de_fw-fr success_n pag._n 321._o m._n perkins_n in_o explicat_fw-la symboly_n col_fw-fr 781._o &_o 790._o yea_o jezler_n loc_fw-la cit_fw-la fol._n 39_o &_o vorstius_n in_o collatine_n cum_fw-la piscatore_fw-la write_v that_o proper_o and_o vulgar_o they_o be_v call_v lutheran_n whereupon_o d._n humphrey_n ad_fw-la rat._n 2._o campian_n pag._n 128._o say_v lutheran_n vulgar_o call_v 7._o hereby_o we_o see_v first_o that_o the_o lutheran_n glory_n of_o the_o name_n of_o luther_n as_o the_o donatist_n which_o s._n augustin_n report_v do_v of_o the_o name_n of_o donatus_n second_o that_o they_o glory_n of_o a_o schismatical_a name_n for_o such_o be_v the_o name_n of_o lutheran_n as_o luther_n himself_o confess_v in_o d._n morton_n part_n 1._o apol._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 8._o and_o hospin_n praefat._n part_n 2._o histor_n vorstius_n in_o antibellarm_n pag._n 149_o yea_o d._n whitaker_n count_v 2._o quest_n 5._o cap._n 2._o say_v that_o to_o take_v the_o name_n of_o any_o man_n at_o all_o be_v heretical_a and_o schismatical_a and_o that_o heretic_n carry_v the_o name_n of_o their_o master_n and_o willing_o acknowledge_v such_o name_n three_o it_o appear_v that_o the_o english_a apology_n untrue_o say_v that_o luther_n disciple_n be_v call_v lutheran_n in_o disgtace_n or_o derision_n for_o graver_n lib._n cit_fw-la say_v they_o be_v term_v so_o for_o distinction_n sake_n lavatherus_n and_o hospin_n praefat._n histor_n say_v they_o call_v they_o so_o for_o doctrine_n sake_n that_o it_o may_v be_v know_v who_o they_o mean_v and_o scul_n eye_n so_o term_v they_o for_o honour_n sake_n and_o sure_o since_o both_o sacramentary_n the_o common_a people_n and_o themselves_o also_o term_v they_o lutheran_n and_o glory_n
also_o in_o that_o name_n it_o can_v be_v say_v that_o they_o be_v call_v so_o in_o disgrace_n or_o contempt_n four_o it_o appear_v to_o be_v false_a that_o d._n morton_n lib._n cit_fw-la and_o d._n sutlive_v lib._n de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 2._o say_v it_o be_v rather_o to_o be_v attribute_v to_o a_o lie_n then_o to_o luther_n desert_n that_o protestant_n call_v themselves_o lutheran_n for_o as_o we_o see_v luther_n himself_o call_v they_o so_o and_o therein_o they_o follow_v his_o example_n neither_o skill_v it_o that_o luther_n do_v once_o dislike_v this_o name_n because_o he_o do_v oftentimes_o use_v it_o &_o it_o be_v usual_a to_o luther_n to_o allow_v and_o disallow_v the_o same_o thing_n five_o we_o see_v it_o to_o be_v false_a which_o d._n whitaker_n write_v count_v 2_o quest_n 5._o cap._n 2_o pag._n 494_o none_o of_o we_o ever_o call_v himself_o a_o lutheran_n we_o acknowledge_v not_o these_o name_n nor_o be_v we_o delight_v with_o they_o this_o name_n our_o adversary_n have_v fasten_v upon_o we_o only_o upon_o malice_n and_o envy_n neither_o be_v we_o call_v lutheran_n but_o of_o the_o papist_n false_a also_o be_v that_o which_o d._n fulke_n say_v the_o success_n pag._n 188._o that_o they_o acknowledge_v no_o other_o name_n proper_a to_o their_o religion_n but_o the_o name_n of_o christian_n and_o catholic_n these_o i_o say_v be_v false_a for_o luther_n who_o d._n whitaker_n account_v his_o father_n and_o the_o lutheran_n who_o he_o term_v his_o brethren_n in_o christ_n do_v call_v themselves_o so_o and_o be_v well_o please_v with_o that_o name_n beside_o they_o be_v so_o term_v of_o the_o sacramentary_n and_o common_a people_n and_o therefore_o not_o of_o papist_n only_o nor_o upon_o malice_n and_o envy_n but_o as_o graver_n say_v true_o for_o distinction_n sake_n and_o that_o most_o just_o for_o as_o s._n athanase_n say_v who_o derive_v the_o origin_n of_o their_o say_v from_o other_o then_o christ_n just_o carry_v the_o surname_n of_o their_o author_n but_o protestant_n as_o we_o have_v show_v confess_v that_o they_o derive_v the_o origin_n of_o their_o faith_n from_o luther_n therefore_o just_o they_o bear_v his_o name_n 8._o out_o of_o all_o which_o have_v be_v rehearse_v in_o this_o chapter_n i_o thus_o frame_v my_o nine_o demonstration_n of_o this_o matter_n if_o luther_n and_o many_o other_o famous_a protestant_n sometime_o indeed_o some_o time_n in_o plain_a word_n do_v confess_v that_o luther_n be_v the_o author_n of_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n he_o ought_v to_o be_v so_o take_v and_o esteem_v but_o they_o do_v so_o confess_v ergo._n the_o minor_n be_v evident_a by_o all_o that_o be_v say_v in_o this_o chapter_n and_o the_o mayor_n by_o what_o we_o say_v in_o the_o preface_n for_o so_o many_o and_o such_o principal_a protestant_n know_v well_o the_o origin_n of_o their_o religion_n and_o willing_o will_v not_o lie_v to_o the_o disgrace_n and_o overthrow_v thereof_o that_o protestant_n can_v prove_v their_o church_n to_o have_v be_v before_o luther_n time_n by_o any_o probable_a argument_n or_o sufficient_a testimony_n chap._n xv._o the_o ten_o and_o last_o demonstration_n for_o to_o prove_v that_o luther_n be_v the_o first_o author_n of_o the_o protestant_n church_n and_o religion_n i_o will_v take_v from_o hence_o that_o albeit_o protestant_n do_v sometime_o bold_o affirm_v their_o church_n and_o religion_n to_o have_v be_v before_o luther_n time_n yet_o they_o can_v never_o prove_v it_o by_o any_o reasonable_a argument_n or_o sufficient_a testimony_n which_o thing_n alone_o will_v suffice_v to_o show_v that_o as_o i_o say_v before_o it_o be_v a_o fable_n vain_o feign_v false_o affirm_v and_o fond_o believe_v it_o have_v be_v always_o the_o fashion_n of_o heretic_n bold_o to_o avouch_v any_o thing_n but_o few_o thing_n to_o prove_v even_o in_o show_n this_o s._n augustin_n do_v often_o observe_v in_o the_o manichee_n and_o donatist_n and_o some_o of_o his_o say_n we_o have_v allege_v before_o of_o eunomius_n s._n eunom_fw-la s._n lib._n 2._o cont_n eunom_fw-la basil_n note_v the_o same_o and_o s._n 118._o s._n serm._n 6._o in_o psal_n 118._o ambrose_n of_o all_o heretic_n say_v heretic_n be_v wolf_n they_o can_v howl_v but_o prove_v nothing_o and_o this_o do_v protestant_n confess_v for_o thus_o d._n whitaker_n count_v 2_o quest_n 5._o cap_n 18_o heretic_n be_v wont_a to_o boast_v and_o promise_v truth_n diatrib_n in_o diatrib_n but_o not_o to_o prove_v it_o of_o luther_n thus_o write_v zuinglius_fw-la tom_n 2._o fol._n 473._o and_o 509_o one_o argument_n he_o have_v in_o all_o these_o matter_n he_o say_v it_o and_o fol._n 447_o luther_n rely_v only_o upon_o his_o â—oyes_n and_o devise_n fol._n 395_o thou_o put_v forth_o whatsoever_o the_o motion_n of_o thy_o affection_n do_v appoint_v and_o when_o a_o reason_n of_o thy_o say_n be_v exact_v of_o thou_o thou_o stand_v naked_a unarm_v and_o of_o the_o lutheran_n thus_o write_v erasmus_n they_o say_v it_o and_o for_o that_o 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this_o by_o this_o reason_n that_o our_o church_n keep_v the_o same_o faith_n and_o doctrine_n which_o the_o church_n in_o the_o apostle_n time_n and_o afterward_o keep_v and_o count_v dureum_fw-la sect_n 1_o if_o thou_o hold_v christ_n doctrine_n thou_o be_v a_o catholic_a and_o sect_n 2_o it_o must_v needs_o be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n which_o keep_v &_o conserve_v christ_n doctrine_n deliver_v in_o his_o word_n dancus_fw-la cont_n 3._o pag._n 388._o with_o we_o be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n because_o we_o restore_v the_o true_a doctrine_n of_o christ_n lubbertus_n lib._n 5_o de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 1_o if_o the_o doctrine_n which_o our_o church_n profess_v be_v the_o same_o which_o christ_n deliver_v than_o our_o church_n be_v that_o which_o christ_n institute_v d._n fulke_o lib._n the_o success_n pag._n 27_o see_v we_o be_v