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A30986 That the bishops in England may and ought to vote in cases of blood written in the late times upon occasion of the Earl of Straffords case / by [a] learned pen ; with some answers to the objections of the then Bishop of Lincoln, against bishops voting in Parliament. Barlow, Thomas, 1607-1691. 1680 (1680) Wing W2677C; Wing B845; ESTC R17167 16,504 22

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know the Nature of a Protestation which some peradventure may mistake Protestatio est animi nostri declaratio juris acquirendi vel conservandi vel damnum depellendi causa facta saith Spigelius Calvin and all the Civilians No Protestation is made by any man in his Wits to destroy his own Right and much less another mans but to acquire or preserve some Right or to avoid and put off some Wrong that was like to happen to the party or Parties that make the Protestation As here in Courtneys Protestation the Prelates in the first place conceive a Right and Power they had voluntarily to absent themselves whilst some matters were treated of at that time in that House of Lords which by the Canon Law the breach whereof the Popes of Rome did in those times vindicate with far more severity than they did the transgressions of the Laws of God they were not permitted to be present at and all this not for want of Right to be there in all Causes but for honesty and preservation of their Estates as it is in the Act of Parliament 11 Rich. 2. In the second place they did preserve their former Right as Peers which they still had though voluntarily absenting of themselves More solito interessendi considerandi tractandi ordinandi definiendi all things without exception Acted and Executed in that Parliament And in the Last place they protest against any loss of Right of being or Voting in Parliament that could befal them for this voluntary absenting of themselves at this time And where in this Protestation is there one word to prejudice their Successors or to authorize any Peer to Command his fellow Peer called thither by more Antient prescription of time and by the same Writs of Summons that himself is to withdraw and go out from this Common Council of the Kingdom Thirdly we do not certainly know what these matters were whereat Arch-Bishop Courtney conceived the Prelates neither could nor ought to be present These matters are left in loose and general words in that Protestation Some conceive indeed it was at the Condemnation of Tressilian Brambre the Lord Beauchamp and others See Antiquit. Brit. pag. 286. But the notes of Priviledges belonging to the Lords collected by Mr. Selden do with more reason a great deal assign this going forth of the Prelates to be occasioned by certain Appeals of Treason advanced in that Parliament by the Duke of Glocester against Alexander Arch-Bishop of York whom the Popish Canons of those times as you know exempted as a Sacred Person from the cognisance of King or Parliament and therefore the rest of the Bishops as the squares went then neither could nor ought to be present and parties to break upon the Exemptions Immunities and Priviledges of that great Prelate But the Earl of Strafford is not the Arch-Bishop but the President of York and to challenge any such Exemptions and Immunities from the cognisance of the King or Parliament amounts at this time to little less than Treason and therefore is th●● Protestation very unseasonably urged to thrust out any Protestant Prelate from Voting in Parliament Lastly a Protestation in the Civil or Canon Law for the Law of this Land knoweth it not is but a Testation or Witnessing before-hand of a mans own mind or Opinion whereby we that Protest provide to save and preserve our own Right for the time to come It concludes no man besides our selves no Stranger to this Act no Heir no Successor but if it be admitted sticks as inherent in the Singular and individual Person until either the Party dies or the Protestation be withdrawn and revoked And therefore what is a Protestation made by William Courtney to William Laud or by Thomas Arundel to bind Thomas Morton And what one Rule in the Common Law of the Land in the journal Book or in the Records of the Town can be produced to exclude the Lords Spiritual from sitting and Voting in Causes of Blood They were sometimes by the great favour of the King the Lords and the Commons not otherwise permitted to absent themselves never before this time Commanded by the Lay-Lords to forbear their Votes in any Cause whatsoever that was agitated in Parliament So our Law-Books say that the Prelates by the Canon Law may make a Procurator in Parliament when a Peer is to be Tryed which is enough to shew their Right thereunto 10 Edward the 4 th fol. 6. B. placit 17. And that it is only the Canon-Law that inhibits them to Vote in Sanguinary Causes Stamford pleas of the Crown fol. 59. The Canon Law saith Stamford in a distinct and separated Notion and therefore not grown in his Age to any such Usance or Custom as made it Common Law or the Law of this Land Objection But the Bishop of Lincoln and Bishop Andrews before him did alwayes forbear to Vote in Causes of Blood and did voluntarily retire out of the House when this Cause of the Earl of Strafford came to any serious Agitation Neither putting this withdrawing of the Prelates to any Vote nor offering to enter any Protestation Answer That Bishop had no opportunity to enter Protestations which you shall never find to have been offered by the Prelates but in Plein Parliaments when the three Bodies are together And his voluntary withdrawing of himself he may live to Repent him of if he shall hereafter be questioned for the same at the Kings-Bench or elsewhere He was called thither by his Writ which he did not so easily Obtain to sit and not to withdraw himself from Parliament when he pleased Besides his extraordinary Obligations to the Lords at this time whom he could not offend without great suspicion of high Ingratitude He is the first Prelate that ever was fetched out of the Tower and brought to sit in Parliament by the Black-Rod And therefore we are not so much to consider that Prelates Opinions or Actions in this kind as the reasons he gave for the same which as I have heard them Rehearsed are to speak modestly of them no Demonstrations His first and main Reason was that of the Record and Statute of 11 Rich. the 2 d. That it is the Honesty of that Calling not to intermeddle in matters of Blood The French word Honesteté signifies decency and Comliness as though it were a Butcherly and loathsome matter to be a Judge or to do Right upon a Malefactor to Death or loss of Members But this is an Imaginary decency never known in Nature or Scripture as I said before but begotten by Ignorance in the dark Fog and Mists of Popery Such an Honesty of the Clergy it was to have a Shaven Crown to depend upon their Holy Father the Pope to Plead Exemptions and to refuse to Answer for Felonies in the Kings Courts c. All these Particulars were esteemed in those dayes the Honesteté of the Clergy and such an Honesty it was in the Prelates of England in the loose Reign of Rich. the
they backed with one of the Canons of the Apostles as they call them the 7th in Number yet is it clear their main Authority is fetch'd from this obscure Synod of Toledo where 18 Bishops only were convened under Bamba the Goth who of a Plow-man was made a King and of a King a cloistred Monk as you may see in the History of Rodericus Santius par 2. cap. 32. This is all the goodly ground that either Gratian in his Decrees or Innocentius the 3d in the Decretals or Roger Hoveden in his History alledge against the Ecclesiastical Peers and their sitting as Judges in Causes of Blood to wit this famous Gothish Council of Toledo The first that openly planted this Canon here in England was Stephen Langton a Cardinal the Popes Creature as his Holyness was pleased to stile him in his Bull and thrust upon the See of Canterbury by a Papal Provision where he continued in Rebellion against his Soveraign as long as King John lived This Arch-Bishop under Colour of Ecclesiastical Immunity as this Canon is Marshalled by Lindwood at Osney neer Oxford did Ordain Ne quis Clericus beneficiatus vel in sacris ordinibus constitutus that no Clergy-man having a Benefice or otherwise in Holy Orders should presume to be present in that place Vbi judicium sanguinis tractatur vel exerceatur And this is the first Canon Broached in this Kingdom to this Effect That of Othobon being subsequent in time and a meer Forraign or Legatine Constitution See it at large in Lyndwoods Constitu lib. 3. at the end of the Book And by Vertue of a branch of this very Constitution the now Arch-Bishop 2 years sithence Fined the Bishop of Glocester in the High Commission because he had given way in time of Pestilence only that a Sessions or Judgment of Blood might be kept in a Sacred place which was likewise Inhibited in this Canon But this admits of a Multitude of Answers 1. Quod haec Dictio Clericus ex vi verbi non comprehendit Episcopum This word Clerk in the Canon Law reacheth not to a Bishop or a Peer of the Realm saith Lyndwood in his third Book cap. de Locatis Conductis 2. The Irregularity incurred by Judicature in Causes of Blood is only Jure positivo and therefore dispensable by the Pope saith Covarruvias in Clem. Si furiosus Par. 2. § 5. no 1. And here in England it is Dispenced with in Bishops by the King who in his Writs or Summons to the Parliament Commands the Lords Spiritual without any exception of Causes of Blood to joyn in all Matters and Consultations whatsoever with the Temporal Peers of the Kingdom these Summons being unto them a sufficient Dispensation so to do And Othobon himself Inhibiting other Clerks to use these Secular Judicatures hath a Salvo to preserve the Priviledges of our Lord the King whereby he may use any of their Services in that kind when he shall see Cause in the Title called Ne Clerici jurisdictionem saecularem exerceant A Lyndwood in his Gloss upon that Text doth instance in the Clerks of the Chancery and others Nor are these Writs of the Bishops Dispensations only but Mandates also and Bishops have been Fined at the Kings-Bench and elsewhere for Absenting themselves from Counsels in Parliament as now they are required to do without the Kings special leave and Licence first Obtained 3. When they are forbidden Interesse to be present the meaning is not in the very Canons themselves that they should go out of the Room but only that they should not be present to add Authority Help or Advice to any Sentence Pronounced against a particular individual Person in a Cause of Blood or mutilation of Members If he be present Authorizando consilium opem vel operam dando then he Contracts an Irregularity and not otherwise saith our Lyndwood out of Innocentius And the Canon reacheth no further than to him that shall Pronounce Sentence of Death or mutilation upon a particular Person For Prelates that are of Council with the King in Parliament or otherwise being demanded the Law in such and such a Case without naming any individual Person may Answer generaliter loquendo as that Treason is to be punished with Death and a Counterfeiter of the Kings Coyn is to be Burned c. Cardinal Hostiensis lib. 2. cap. de fals monet Allowed by John Montague de Collatione Parliamentorum in Tractat. Docto● vol. 10. pag. 121. 4. These Canons are not in Force in England to bind the Subjects of this Kingdom for several reasons 1. Because they are against his Majesties Prerogative as you may see it clearly in the Articles of Clarendon and the Writ of Summons and therefore abolished by the Statute of 25º of Henry the 8 th It is his Majesties Prerogative declared at Claredon that all such Ecclesiastical Peers as hold of him by Barony should Assist in the Kings Judicatures until the very actual pronouncing of a Sentence of Blood And this holdeth all along from Henry the first down to the latter end of Queen Elizabeth who imployed Arch-Bishop Whitguift as a Commissioner upon the Life of a Personage not to be named without Horror and as the first keeper and examiner of Robert the most Noble Earl of Essex after that Commotion in London And to say that this Canon is Confirmed by Common Law in this Kingdom is a very Tale there being nothing in all the Common Law that tends that way 2. It hath been Voted in the House of Commons this very Sessions of Parliament that no Canons sithence the Conquest either Introduced from Rome by Legatine Power or made in our Synods never had in any Age nor yet have at this Instant any Power to bind the Subjects of this Realm unless they be Confirmed by Act of Parliament Now these Canons which Inhibit the presence of Church-men in Causes that concern Life and Member were never Confirmed by any but seem to be Impeached by diverse and sundry Acts of Parliament 3. The whole House of Peers have this very Session despised and set aside this Canon Law which some of the young Lords cry up again in the same Session and in the very same Cause to take away the Votes of the Bishops in the Case of the Earl of Strafford For by the same Canon-Law that forbids Clergy-men to Sentence they of that Coat are more strictly Inhibited to give Testimony in Causes of Blood Nec etiam potest esse Testis vel Tabellio in Causa Sanguinis saith my Lyndwood fol. 146. pag. 2. For no man co-operates more to a Sentence of Death than the Witness upon whose attestation the Sentence is principally Founded saith Lopez in his Practica Criminalis Cap. 98. Dist. 21. And yet have these Lords admitted as Witnesses produced by the Commons against the Earl of Strafford the Arch-Bishops of Canterbury and Armache together with the Bishop of London the which Lords now Command all Bishops to withdraw in the
2 d. to absent themselves when they listed from this Assembly of the Estate contrary to the Kings Commands in the Writs of Summons and to the duties of their places as Peers of Parliament Howbeit they shewed more Courtesie or more Wit at the least than our present Prelates for they never offered to retire themselves in those dayes before their Protestation was benignly received and suffered to be entred upon the Parliament Roll by the King and the Lords and the House of Commons The Second Reason of this Prelate is of the same Nature and built upon a Medium of Sands which is soon undermined and washed away That although he doubted not of the Legality or Comliness of an Ecclesiastical Peer of the Kingdom of England to Vote in a Judgment of Blood as they do continually in the passing of all Appeals and Attainders in Parliament yet because it is not the practice of Prelates in other parts of the Christian World so to do he thought it better to avoid Scandal and the talk of other Nations That there being in the High Courts of Parliament and Star-Chamber Judges enough besides the Prelates they might without any prejudice to King or Countrey forbear Voting in these Judicatures Somewhat the rather because all our Bishops in England are Divines and Preachers of the Gospel and consequently of mercy rather than of Judgment Who never touch upon the sharpness of the Law unless it be to prepare mens hearts to receive the Comfort of the Gospel But this Prelate cannot but know that these Canons that Oppose the Kings Prerogative are taken away in the Kingdom of England by the Statute of 25 Henry the 8 th which they are not elsewhere And this Bishop if he have not forgot it was taught all this in the Case of Irregularity pursued against Arch-Bishop Abbots when this Bishop fearing the Censure of the Sorbonists in Paris refused to be Consecrated by Abbots unless he the said Abbots would procure himself absolved from that Irregularity which he had Contracted in killing a man by Chance-medly which he was enforced at the last to do this other Prelate being then in his rising and warm Blood and liking better of many good Benefices than of one mean Bishoprick refusing stiffly to be made Bishop of Lincoln upon any other Condition For Bishops making of Procurators in Causes of Blood IT doth not appear that Bishops ever made Protestations or withdrew in Cases of this Nature before the 11th nor after the 21 st of Rich. the 2 d. And yet the Attainders in the 11 th year are afterwards ratified by the Consent of the Lords Spiritual 11 Rich. 2. as you see by their Act of consent Rott 11 Rich. 2. no. 38. And the Printed Statutes And in his twenty first year they made Procurators first Thomas Percy in Writing 21 Rich. 2. no. 9. where you have his Proxie set down in Latine and then Scrop Earl of Worcester by word of mouth As the Roll is 21 Rich. 2. no. 50. where Scrop gives Sentence in the like Causes by vertue of that Procuration as the Roll saith And that this Proxie of the Prelates was not left with a Lay-man for the dispatch of other Civil Causes only but for Judgments of Blood also it is appealed to all Histories and Law-Books that have been Written from that time to this present day Thomas of Walsingham Lived under Henry the 6 th and he saith that it was exacted of the Prelates for it was not their own seeking as you may see upon the Rolls that because they could not be present in Judgments of Blood their Procurator upon the like occasion might assent unto such a Business Walsing in Rich. 2. pag. 354. So likewise in his Hypodigma Neustria pag. 550. Littleton Lived under Edward the 4 th and he pronounceth for himself and all his fellow Judges That the Lords Spiritual who cannot consent to the Death of a man shall make a Procurator in the Parliament before the Steward is to proceed to gather Votes c. The Year-Book 10 Ed. the 4 th no. 17. Stamford Lived under Henry the 8th Edward the 6 th Queen Mary And he saith clearly That when a Peer is Indicted of Treason or Felonie in Parliament the Lords Spiritual shall make a Procurator for them Stam. Pleas of the Crown lib. 3. pag. 153. Mr. John Selden Lives still than whom peradventure there Lived not an abler Lawyer in both the Laws from the 21 st of Richard the 2 d to this day And he saith that the Clergy by reason of the Canon Laws not the Common Laws absented themselves sometimes from such Judgments and committed their whole Interest for the time to a Lay-Proxie Tit. of Honour 2 d part pag. 704. Lastly for the Canon-Law in this point it is not only dispensed withal by the Kings Summons to his Prelates but by the Lords themselves in this very Cause of the Earl of Strafford by their examining of the two Arch-Bishops and a Bishop for Witnesses in the said Cause which is no less forbidden in the Canon Law than to Judge in Causes of Blood Lyndwood Fol. 146. pag. 2. When the effect of this Paper was opened and the Records and all the Books produced by the Bishop of Lincoln who had been in the Tower to search the said Records the Lords declared and ordered that they would use no Proxies of their own in this Tryal with a Salvo of their Right against any other time And thereupon the said Bishop finding the Inclination of the House and Timidity of his Brethren offered the like Declaration with the like Salvo in point of Right for the Lords the Bishops which was accepted of and entered into the Book the Bishop of Lincoln dictating the same THE Bishop of Lincoln's ARGUMENTS That Bishops ought not to Vote in Parliament With the Answers thereunto Arg. I. BEcause it is a very great hindrance to the Exercise of their Ministerial Function Answer 1. It is not so much hindrance as their conveneing in General Councils Synods Convocations Assemblies Classes and the like in all the Churches Reformed or otherwise 2. It is propter majus bonum Ecclesiae 3. The Apostles unnecessarily put themselves to more hindrances to work for their livelyhood Acts 20.24 1 Thes. 2.9 2 Thes. 3.8 Arg. II. Because they do vow and undertake at their Ordination when they enter into Holy Orders that they will give themselves wholly to that Vocation Answer 1. This Vow and undertaking in Ministers Ordination is quite mistaken the words are in the Bishops exhortation not in the Ministers Answer 2. The Bishop hopes they will give themselves wholly to that and not to any other Trade or Vocation 3. Wholly in a Moral and not in a Mathematical sense that will admit of no Latitude Arg. III. Because Councils and Canons in several Ages do forbid them to meddle in Secular Affairs Answer 1. Councils and Canons against Bishops Votes in Parliament were never in use in this