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A37367 A Short surveigh of the grand case of the present ministry whether they may lawfully subscribe and declare as by the late Act of uniformity is required, and the several cases thence arising, especially about the covenant / by some conformable non-conformists. M. D. 1663 (1663) Wing D64; ESTC R14722 29,525 48

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they must fulfill the Ministrey to them committed 3. These men are Sir of Age sufficient to speak for themselves and do complain they have spoken and are Answered by Rigour without Reason we shall therefore leave them to themselves and being singled out by you we shall adventure to speak for our selves because for our sake it is you have been pleased to take so great pains 4. Sir we take it for granted you conceive the Declarations required from us to be Tantamount to an Oath they are to be Solemnly made in the Congregation by Ministers qua Ministers of the Gospel in which virbum sacerdotis is the Sacred Rivet of that Obligation which resulteth from such Declaration to our Conscience in the sight of God and his Church 5. On this Consideration we presume you will have Charitable table apprehensions of our present Haesistancie as to the Subscribing and publishing such Declarations for it is a Snare to devoure holy things and after Vows to make enquiry and we shall in unbiassed Judgements weigh your grounds on which you determine this Case affirmatively moving in our Observation according to the Method of your Argumentation The Declarations are these two by you truely Transcribed The First is this J. A. B. DO here declrae my unfeigned assent and consent to all and every thing contained and prescribed in Pa. 2.3 and by the Book Entituled The Book of Common Prayer and Administration of the Sacraments and other Rites and Cerimonies of the the Church according to the use of the Church of England to gether with the Psalter or Psalmes of David pointed as they are to be Sung or said in Churches and the forme or manner of making Ordaining or Consecrating of Bishops Preists or Decons The Second is this J. A. B. DO Declare that it is not lawful upon pretence whatsoever to take Arms against the King and that I do abhor that Traiterous Position of taking Armes by his Authority against his person or against those Commissioned by him and that I will conforme to the Liturgie of the Church of England as it is now Established by Law and I do declare that I do hold there lies no obligation upon me or any other person from the Oath commonly called the Solemn League and Covenant to endeavour any Change or alteration of Government either in Church or State and that the same was in its self an unlawful Oath and imposed on the Subjects of this Realme against the known Laws and Liberties of this Kingdome Theseare the Declarations which you affirme may be subscribed and made as is required your reasons for this your Judgement you produce in the particular following Cases which we shall consider Case the First Whether it be Lawful to declare in the words of the First Declaration THe first of the Declarations you distribute into two parts Pa. 4. that which concerneth the Liturgie and that which concerneth the Book of Ordination 2. You first determine concerning the latter of these viz. The forme and manner of Making Ordaining and Consecrating Bishops Preists and Deacons Pa 45 and determine it Lawful thus to declare in this part of the Declaration which you thus enforce Most that have Livings have subscribed this already at their Ordination and read their allowance of it openly to their several Congregations upon their Induction besides had not this been required in the Act who knows not that no Conformity without subscribing and reading the nine and thirty Articles could legally suffice To this Sir we say 3. Our question is not what could legally suffice but what may be Conscientiously done for this must not be violated unto the satisfaction of that 4. Your Argument is an Argument of fact which if admitted true will not conclude your Resolution for you well know a facto ad jus will not follow most have done it therefore all may lawfully do it is Logick which the fear of God favoureth not Yet Sir 5. We presume to gainsay your confident Assertion That the most who had Livings had at the writing your book subscribed the forme and manner of Making Ordaining and Consecrating Bishops Preists and Deacons required by this Act cannot but conceive strangely of it we do not know the most who then had Livings and therefore cannot ask them the question but we think they must be most of them Reordained according to the new Forme Presbyterial Ordination had sure been very Active and Extensive and Presbyters were easie Wheelers who had well learned Tempora mu tantur nos mutamur ab illis 6. Sir give us leave to tell you we had good Livings until the 24th of August 1662. and yet we were not of the Number of those who subscribed this Book Forme and manner at our Ordination and we believe most who were then in Livings and Episcopally Ordained were in the same common Capacity with us and subscribed the Book which we subscribed and sure this Book was not then born if conceived in our Bishops brain it was not brought into the World many days before this Book of yours which giveth it suck 7. We must indeed confess we have been informed that the most of the Ministers in Cheshire and it may be some other Diocess in zeale or love to their Livings more manifest then Conscience or discretion did by a Monstrous implicite faith subscribe this Book before the 24th of August These may evince something of your Argument a facto and yet we must tell you they were not all then Ordained and if this will conclude ad jus we must tell you these men did at the same time subscribe the Book of Common Prayer and both these Declarations and all this they did in obedience to the Act for Uniformity before their eyes saw either of these Books Ergo all may lawfully so do 8. Moreover Sir we must presume to acquaint you that we know the Reading so many of thirty nine Articles Which contain only the Doctrine of Faith or of the Sacraments with an omission of that which concerned the book of Consecration would Legally suffice we are confident you will make no more of this forme and manner of Making Ordaining and Consecrating Bishops Preists and Deacons save a Political though Ecclesiastical order and that neither Doctrine of Faith nor Sacraments and an Assent to such Articles as contain Those and Only those is required by the Law The Statute which dictateth Legal sufficiency 9. We expect Sir you should reply to us that the Book of Consecration Established by King Edward the Sixth and enforced by Queen Elizabeth is much what the same with this and therefore in subscribing that we have subscribed this 10. Good Sir excuse us sinaile nonest idem there are in this book some Additions and alterations which were not in that and this may barr our subscription to this Moreover Sir the forme of subscription required by this Law is such as was never required before by any law nor given by us to any