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A90624 A vindication of The preacher sent, or A vvarrant for publick preaching without ordination. Wherein is further discovered. 1. That some gifted men unordained, are Gospel preachers. 2. That officers sustain not a relation (as officers) to the universal Church; and other weighty questions concerning election and ordination, are opened and cleared. In answer to two books. 1. Vindiciæ ministrij evangelici revindicatæ or the Preacher (pretendly) sent, sent back again. By Dr. Colling of Norwich. 2. Quo warranto, or a moderate enquiry into the warrantableness of the preaching of gifted and unordained persons. By Mr. Pool, at the desire and appointment of the Provincial Assembly of London. With a reply to the exceptions of Mr. Hudson and Dr. Collings against the epistle to the preacher sent. / Published by Frederick Woodal, minister of the Gospel at Woodbridge in Suffolk. Samuel Petto minister of the GospeI [sic] at Sandcraft in Suffolk. Woodall, Frederick, b. 1614.; Petto, Samuel, 1624?-1711. 1659 (1659) Wing P1902; Thomason E1728_2; ESTC R204138 152,808 253

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their relation must be towards those among whom their great work lyes Mr. Pool pag. 17. Ans 1. We suppose he intendeth that they are related to heathens as their correlate else he speaketh nothing to the question and then 2. His Major may fairely be denyed The fighting with enemies c. is the principal ground and end why the office of Colonels Captaines and other leaders of Armies were appointed and their principal work yet those enemies to be fought with are not the correlate to the office of Colonels Captaines c. It is a Regiment that is the correlate to the office of a Colonel and a Troop or company that is the correlate to the office of a captain And so heathens to be preached to are not the correlate to the office of the Ministery but particular Churches The instance of Colonels c. sheweth that a mans great work may lye among those that their relation is not toward 3. As to the minor that convertion of heathens and such as are without the Church is a great worke of officers qua gifted may be granted but that it is their principal work qua officers those texts Mat. 28. and Eph. 4. prove not The office of Pastors was not instituted until Churches were constituted had convertion of heathens been their principal work the institution of them before would have been as necessary as then And that officers and others qua gifted are appointed by Christ to preach unto unbelievers this sufficiently manifesteth Christs care for that great work the convertion of sinners though they do not act as officers in their conversion Thus we have answered his argument against this Assertion that Ministers are officers onely to their own congregations the provincial assemblie used divers arguments which we answered and Mr. Pool seeketh to indicate we shall briefly reply to his most material xceptions They objected that we receive members of other congregations to the Sacrament yet the administration of that is a ministerial act and cannot be done but by a Pastor or Teacher Mr. Pool is so disturbed at our answer to this that he saith p. 20. he questions not but any judicious Reader will quickly discern it how we are faln from our own principles and pag. 21. would have all men take notice of that and also that we have through incogitancy precipitated our selves into the gulf of Annabaptisme and he doubts not but we will retract it c. And all this because we say If they perform these acts to any not of their own congregations they do not act as Past ors as officers to them therein Ans We see no ground to retract what we have said in this matter and we think any unprejudiced Reader who shall view our whole answer to their objection Preach Sent. pag. 278 279 280. will apprehend that there is more strength in Mr. Pools flourish of words to dazel the Eyes of the weake then of argument to convince the judicious that we are in an Error To clear the case 1. We professe that it was when we wrote our former book and still is our judgement that the administration of the Sacrament is an act which cannot be done but by a Pastor or Teacher None but an Officer may perform this act 2. Yet we conceive an Officer may administer the Sacrament which is a common Church priviledge unto members of other Churches without being an Officer over them for if any such relation as is between Pastor and the members of his flock did arise upon that act then an obligation unto the mutual duties of the relation must follow also else all in a relation were not bound to the duties of it and who will say that Pastors are to watch over the members of other Churches or that the Lord hath made them overseers of them or that such members are to aford maintenance c. to such Pastors And if they be no Officers over them they cannot be said to act as their Officers And let Mr. Poole and the Reader observe we never said that he who is no Pastor no Officer might act in the administration of the Sacrament but that in administring it to members of other Churches a man doth not act as a Pastor as an Officer to them i. e. in a special sence As Officers in corporations c. may afford some priviledges to such as they are no Officers to which none but such Officers can grant out Or to use the instance Mr. Poole mentioneth pag. 16. with some variation many acts of a Steward of an house in giving entertainment unto strangers cannot he done by any but the Steward except the Lord of the house yet saith Mr. Poole pag. 16. he acts not as a Steward to them whom he entertains whence it is undeniable that there are some acts which none but an Officer can perform wherein he doth not act as an Officer to some objects of them and therefore though none but Officers can administer the Lords Supper yet they may give it to members of other Churches which they are no Officers nor do not act as Officers towards That Rule Quod competit rei qua tali competit omni tali holds true onely in materia necessaria not in materia contingenti and therefore if a Pastor gives the Sacrament to those who are not of his own Church not as their Pastor yet it will not follow that every gifted brother may administer it or that our assertion cuts the s●news of Christian and Church-communion which he insinuates p. 22. That their Argument was against our practice may easily be seen in their Book not against the assertion but as supposed though ungroundedly to be contradicted by our practice And this is enough to answer what he saith pag. 20. 21. 22. and may clearly vindicate us from his aspersion for Anabaptism He replyeth nothing to what we have said Preacher Sent pag. 281. where we have clearly answered their third particular in the several branches and have proved against them that Ministers are called Elders of the people c. There are seven consequences which they said Jus Divin Min. pag. 140. would follow this assertion To our exceptions against the first and second of these Mr. Poole answereth little or nothing what he saith p. 23. is but a repetition of what he had said before which we have already answered In our reply to the third we argue against that position that a man is made a member of a Church by Baptism Mr. Poole telleth us it is none of their assertion that they allow Infants to be born Church-members and make their Church-membership the ground of their Baptism and a pari a heathen converted and professing the faith is a church-member inchoate before Baptism and that this onely they say that the solemn publike and visible way of admission of members into the Church is by Baptism Mr. Poole pag. 23. 24. Ans 1. They said that every Minister by Baptism admitteth into the Catholick visible