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A01730 A plaine declaration that our Brownists be full Donatists by comparing them together from point to point out of the writings of Augustine. Also a replie to Master Greenwood touching read prayer, wherein his grosse ignorance is detected, which labouring to purge himselfe from former absurdities, doth plunge himselfe deeper into the mire. By George Gyffard minister of Gods word in Maldon. Gifford, George, d. 1620. 1590 (1590) STC 11862; ESTC S118453 101,969 166

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mean_a evil_n when_o it_o be_v give_v by_o a_o naughty_a man_n see_v the_o same_o baptism_n be_v deliver_v and_o therefore_o by_o unequal_a minister_n the_o gift_n of_o god_n be_v equal_a because_o it_o be_v he_o and_o not_o they_o thus_o far_o augustine_n it_o be_v apparent_a enough_o by_o that_o which_o i_o have_v already_o cite_v what_o the_o donatist_n meant_a in_o deny_v it_o to_o be_v baptism_n which_o be_v administer_v by_o a_o open_a wicked_a man_n and_o require_v for_o the_o truth_n and_o efficacy_n of_o baptism_n that_o it_o shall_v be_v administer_v by_o a_o godly_a man_n or_o at_o the_o least_o by_o a_o man_n godly_a in_o show_n but_o yet_o i_o will_v add_v somewhat_o more_o petilian_n reply_v upon_o augustine_n with_o great_a rail_n say_v also_o that_o those_o absurdity_n which_o he_o gather_v be_v his_o own_o book_n 3._o chap._n 45._o and_o whereas_o augustine_n have_v demand_v what_o if_o the_o conscience_n of_o he_o that_o deliver_v be_v unclean_a &_o secret_a what_o 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pollution_n and_o guiltiness_n by_o communicate_v with_o he_o book_n 3._o chapter_n 31._o again_o where_o petilian_n and_o the_o rest_n affirm_v that_o he_o which_o be_v baptise_a of_o one_o that_o be_v dead_a his_o wash_n do_v not_o profit_v he_o he_o mean_v by_o one_o that_o be_v dead_a not_o the_o secret_a wicked_a nor_o yet_o the_o open_a sinner_n until_o the_o church_n have_v condemn_v he_o book_n 1._o chap._n 10._o parmenian_n that_o donatist_n bishop_n to_o prove_v that_o it_o be_v no_o baptism_n which_o be_v minister_v by_o a_o open_a wicked_a man_n allege_v that_o the_o wicked_a which_o sacrifice_v a_o sheep_n be_v as_o he_o that_o cut_v off_o the_o head_n of_o a_o dog_n and_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o wicked_a be_v a_o abomination_n to_o the_o lord_n esay_n 66._o and_o that_o the_o man_n which_o have_v any_o blemish_n or_o spot_n in_o he_o shall_v not_o come_v to_o offer_v as_o a_o priest_n to_o the_o lord_n levit._n 21._o and_o that_o god_n hear_v not_o sinner_n john_n 9_o as_o augustine_n report_v against_o parmenian_n book_n 2._o chapt._n 6_o 7_o 8._o where_o augustine_n answer_v vnicuique_fw-la retribuit_fw-la deus_fw-la secundùm_fw-la cor_fw-la suum_fw-la nam_fw-la si_fw-la primis_fw-la temporibus_fw-la non_fw-la obfuerunt_fw-la mali_fw-la sacerdotes_fw-la vel_fw-la collegis_fw-la bonis_fw-la sicut_fw-la fuit_fw-la zacharias_n vel_fw-la popularibus_fw-la sicut_fw-la fuit_fw-la nathaniel_n in_fw-la quo_fw-la dolus_fw-la non_fw-la erat_fw-la quantò_fw-la magis_fw-la nihil_fw-la obest_fw-la in_o christiana_n unitate_fw-la episcopus_fw-la malus_fw-la vel_fw-la coepiscopis_fw-la vel_fw-la lucis_fw-la bonis_fw-la cùm_fw-la iam_fw-la ille_fw-la sacerdos_fw-la in_o aeternum_fw-la secundùm_fw-la ordinem_fw-la melchisedech_n &_o pontifex_fw-la noster_fw-la sedens_fw-la ad_fw-la dextram_fw-la patris_fw-la interpellat_n pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la etc._n etc._n god_n render_v unto_o every_o one_o according_a to_o his_o heart_n for_o if_o in_o the_o first_o time_n the_o naughty_a priest_n do_v not_o hurt_v either_o their_o fellow_n which_o be_v good_a such_o as_o be_v zacharie_n or_o any_o of_o the_o people_n such_o as_o be_v nathaniel_n in_o who_o be_v no_o guile_n how_o much_o more_o do_v a_o evil_a bishop_n in_o the_o christian_a unity_n nothing_o hurt_v either_o his_o fellow_n bishop_n be_v good_a or_o any_o of_o the_o laiety_n when_o now_o that_o priest_n for_o ever_o after_o the_o order_n of_o melchisedech_n even_o our_o high_a priest_n sit_v at_o the_o right_a hand_n of_o the_o father_n make_v intercession_n for_o we_o etc._n etc._n dicant_fw-la ergo_fw-la mihi_fw-la cvi_fw-la sancto_fw-la secundùm_fw-la salutem_fw-la spiritualem_fw-la obfuerit_fw-la vel_fw-la in_o sacerdotibus_fw-la vel_fw-la inter_fw-la populum_fw-la constituto_fw-la malus_fw-la aut_fw-la maculatus_fw-la sacerdos_fw-la let_v they_o show_v unto_o i_o therefore_o which_o holy_a one_o either_o of_o the_o priest_n or_o among_o the_o people_n a_o evil_a and_o spot_a priest_n 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