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A49754 Something by way of rejoynder to Richard Smith his reply wherein I have cleared my self and others from the lyes and slanders which he (as his usual manner is) hath cast upon us. Written by Alexander Lawrence. Lawrence, Alexander, d. 1682. 1678 (1678) Wing L650A; ESTC R221682 6,287 9

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the Light sufficient what is become of the sufficiency thereof so much cryed up by you as Cavil against Friends for some coming to George Fox to know what they must do as in the case of Marriages for their so doing doth not prove the Light defective or that such durst not trust to it this is not what Richard Smith hath formerly said and done so let him and others consider who it is that is altered for we are the same we were twenty Years and more ago who abide faithfull both in Principle Doctrine and Practice and nothing denyed or gone from that we at first held though some things are added for the benefit in the Government of the Church of Christ as it was in the Primitive Time as I profered to Richard Smith's Face in his House to prove if he would deny it which he did not and he would have been ashamed once within seven Years last past and as many before that as to make them twenty to have spoken or written after this manner but it is no more nor otherwise then the old Spirit of the R●●ter coming forth in a new appearance which hath assumed many shapes in our Day to withstand the Simplicity that is in the Truth and for Liberty to it self which the God of Truth hath and will blast and bring to nought The next thing Richard Smith speaks o● A great Meeting in this County of Cheshire where Womens-Meetings were p●op●●●● by William Gandy and Thomas Briggs two of George Fox's p●●selites as he calls them to speak so slightily of such that he hath formerly had an esteem and respect for and they are the same they were will make him never the better thought o●●y 〈◊〉 or People he saith that I and most of the Meeting gainsaid th●●… As he there layeth it down the thing is not true as I can br●●g several to witness for neither I nor others did oppose them simply as touching Womens-Meetings but as judging there was no need for them to concern themselves in our County about some things as looking after the Poor c. which s●m● of the Women out of their Christian-Charity were willing to Communicate unto and have a hand in the disposal of which I and some others in a high mind t●ought needless and it is n●t our selves we stand to justifie but the Truth and the Simplicity therein and whosoever goeth from it goeth into Error the Spirit of Truth that cannot Err and men that believe in and are guided by it therein Err not but by it are led into all Truth an● for R. S. to say what is said as touching Mirriam Deborah ●n● Paul's pastoral charge to Titus Paul speaking to the Women that resorted to the place where Prayer was wont to be ma●e and what hath bin said to the Scriptures is nothing to the matter i● not a sufficient Argument to prove it so for R S. p. 5 6. mentioning what G. Fox W. Penn R. Bartlet G. Wh●t●●●●d say they are able to answer for themselves and W. Penn did give him an answer thereunto in Writing which might have satisfied him In the next place I shall clear my self from the Lyes Forgerie he in pag. 13. chargeth me with to be guilty of R.S. saith It is a common saying a Lyar uses to have a ready wit and quick memory I have heard it said he had need of it both which saith R. S. Alexander Lawrence wanted when he writ his Book Answ If I had not nor have not so large a Measure of them as some others have yet I bless God I had so much as to write nothing but Truth as hereby through Gods help I doubt not to make appear though Richard Smith would in sense such who may come to read his Reply to the contrary Richard Smith says pag. 8. of his Reply That I say pag. 11. of my Answer that I knew not he had spoke against Womens-Meetings till after such a time yet in pag. 15. I give my self the Lye in confessing and saying within a Parenthesis though it may be some of us have been of the same mind with thee Answ Now see the Dishonesty of this man I say in my Answer pag. 11. line 20. And then thou began to speak and write against Women-Meetings and not before since that at London which thou chiefly objected against though that was done above nine Moneths before this I mention yet nothing that I know of said against it till after this time which was the time we had to do between Thomas Davantport and him as in pag. 10 11. of my Answer is mentioned at large these words since that at London Richard Smith leaves forth which wholly alters the case for that which I mention pag. 15. was at that great Meeting he mention pag. 4. of his Reply where he saith I and most gain-sayed them to wit William Gandy and Thomas Briggs which was before that at London for he saith in the same pag. 4. of his Reply not long after that Alex. Lawrence and some others went to that great Meeting at London 1675. there set their hands to a Paper c. Therefore Richard Smith leaving forth the time by me mentioned which was so plain before his Eyes whereby to alter the sense of my words is no less then wilfull Wickedness in him and upon his own Head I return the Lye The second Lye R. Smith chargeth me with and a piece of Forgery I am guilty of as he saith is in the same pag. 8. that I should say that in my pag. 11. which he did not say in his Light Vnchangeable page 7. nor in any page of his Book my words page 11. of my Answer are these Line sixteen and so on and there upon we advised and desired him to wit Thomas Davantport to come to Meetings which accordingly he did and this thing was it as thou callest it pinch't thee the most of any thing done by us pag. 7. the word pinch is that which I had relation to in this matter saith Richard Smith pag. 8. There is neither in that page viz. 7. nor any oth●r in my Book any such Express●on of mine let any that hath his Book entituled Light Vnchangeable read p. 7. line 19. and on and there they may find these words As by the sequel will appear having beyond all Bounds of Civility been so pincht with Wrongs and Delayes from such c. Here he saith beyond all Bounds of Civility so pinch't which is the word I insisted upon or intend in mine therefore let any sober Person judge who is the Lyar and Forger Richard Smith or Alexander Lawrence The third Lye and piece of Forgery he chargeth me with is in the same page that I charge him no less then three times in my Book in adding to my Answers Answ In which he hath also very Un Christian-like yea and Un-Man-like abused me in taking part of my words and separating them which are joyned together
in my Answer pag. 5. line 14 15. these are my words also adding or diminishing to all or most of my Answers to thy Queries The second place he mentions is page 13. these are my words In the next place I come to speak of my Answers to thy Queries and therein to prove unto thee and others what I said before viz. that thou hast IN ALL or Most of them either ADDED or DIMINISHED Now let any impartial man judge whether it be fair in R. Smith only to say I said he Added when I say he either ADDED or DIMINISHED and I did prove he Diminished in most of them which he would put off himself IN SAYING ITS NOT Equiv●c●t●ng and Forging and to say of him pag. 13. quoting Margin 26. of his that is my Answer which says he he did not say he says in Margin 26. Book entituled Light unchangeable In Answer to the first Query which Answer was mine and no mans else therefore it must either be my Answer or no mans yet he saith he did not say is was mine What pitifull shifts are these to hide Deceit but they are too short any rationable man may see them The third place he cites is pag. 18. of my Answer my words are these So have I shewed wherein thou hast either Added or Diminished from all or most of my Answers for what end is known to thy self Therefore let any sober person judge whether R. Smith hath not dealt Un Christian-like yea Un-Man-like in saying I say he hath Added when in all the three places by him cited I say he hath added or diminished which in my Answer to his as before I did clearly prove Another piece of Forgery he chargeth me with is in the same with that which he in his Margin calls the second Lye about the word pinch therefore my Answer thereunto may serve only I may say the man did not only want good memory and quick wit but also good Eye-sight or otherwise he would not have written so many Lyes and Slanders in one page viz. 8. and one twice over or else he wanted Matter to fill it up but however his Tongue is his own and he can say what will fit his own turn He tells people of an Edict as he calls it and as though thereby we would Violate the Bonds of Relations so as to teach Wife to deny Husband Children Parents Servants Masters c. Because we therein deny him he being gone out of the Fear and Wisdom of God which doth not in the least imply such a thing though he would draw such a conclusion from it thereby to render us contemptible in sober Peoples minds which is a further manifestation of his Mind and Intent towards us but it had been fitter for him to have been silent herein except he had kept the Bonds of Relations at Home better then he hath done R. S. saith pag. 11. of his Reply That he takes Religion to be a close walking with God in those holy Duties the Gospel enjoyns Answ If that be true Religion let such as know him and such as may come to read his Words and Actions mentioned herein judge whether he be found in the performance thereof or no. Had there not been a necessity for the clearing of the Truth from his Lyes and Slanders I should rather chose to have been silent knowing the bad use that many will make of such things saving They are at difference among themselves and the like but Truth is but one and they that are in it and keep to it are in Unity therein THE END