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A53932	Sound doctrine, or, The doctrine of the Gospel about the extent of the death of Christ being a reply to Mr. Paul Hobson's pretended answer to the author's Fourteen queries and ten absurdities : with a brief and methodicall compendium of the doctrine of the Holy Scriptures ... : also of election and reprobation ... : whereunto is added the fourteen queries and ten absurdities pretended to be answered by Mr. Paul Hobson, but are wholly omitted in his book.	W. P. (William Pedelsden); Hobson, Paul.	1657 (1657)	Wing P1046; ESTC R30088	45,061	64

more then you can do meaning with a good conscience Like this Saint Paul hath a saying in 2 Cor. 13.8 We can do nothing against the truth but for the truth But for further satisfaction to my ingenuous Reader I refer him to that famous and worthy work of Mr. John Goodwin of London intituled Redemption Redeemed in which not onely these Scriptures but also all others that are usually brought against the points now in controversie are most amply handled and the truth evinced beyond all exception CHAP. IX Concerning Foreknowledge in God THere be many that by fore-knowledge will needs understand approbation and love rather then knowledge properly taken but that cannot be because then the Apostle Paul and Peters difference between fore-knowledge and to predestinate to fore-know and to Elect would be quite taken away But if any should contend to have it so notwithstanding I will fetch a poor Almanack to wipe away this gloss by the common use of the word Prognostication Therefore though God approveth not yet he fore-sees all things or rather sees them as present to him Which fore-knowledge or knowledge doth not lay a necessity upon the things so to be for the very nature of knowledge doth not imply a necessity that the thing must but a certainty that it will be as for example When I see a man walk and at the same time see the sun shine I see the first as voluntary and the second as natural and though at the instant that I see both done there is a necessity that they be done or else I could not see them when I do yet before they were done there was a necessity but of onely one i.e. the sun shining but none at all of the other i. e. of the mans walking the sun could not but shine being a natural agent the man might not have walked being a voluntary one upon which it followes There is a twofold necessity one absolute the other on supposition the absolute is that by which a thing moves when 't is forced the Suppositive is that by which a man shall be damned if he die impenitent the latter of these though not the first doth mighty well consist with the liberty of mans will and Gods conditional decrees I am now writing and God foresaw that I am writing yet it followes not that I must needs write for I can chuse What God fore-sees will be will certainly come to passe but it will come to pass so as he foresaw it that is I will do it of choise If all things are present to God as indeed they are his foresight must needs be all one with our sight As therefore when I see a man dance as he pleases it is necessary that he doth what I see he doth but yet my looking on doth not make it necessary for that a thing may be certain in respect of its event and yet not necessary in respect of its cause is no news at all to a considering person who will but duly distinguish Gods Omniscience from his Omnipotence They that make the fore-knowledge of God to be the cause of all future events must needs father all the wickedness in the world upon him for he fore-knowes the evil as well as the good he fore-knew that Adam would fall that the Jews would crucifie Christ that Judas would betray him with all other wickedness in other men but his fore-knowledge did not cause them to do it for they were voluntary agents or else could not be said wickedly to have done what they did do Queries on the universal love of God to all mankinde 1. IF Christ died not for all what ground hath any man to believe he dyed for him 2. How can God be said to be just in case he condemns those persons for whom Christ never died 3. How can remission of sins be preached to those for whom Christ never died 4. Whether do men perish because Christ died not or because they believed not if because Christ died not it is not their unbelief which destroyes them but they perish because Christ never died for them or because there is no Christ for them to believe in 5. If Christ did not die for all wherefore do they exhort all to repentance and call upon all men to believe or would you make some men believe and so be saved which Christ never died for 6. Whether hath not Christ given out a power or ability to all men to believe on him 7. Whether the fault be in Christ or in the Creature that the Creature is not saved if the fault be not in Christ that the Creature is not saved then whether hath not Christ given out a power or ability to believe 8. Whether unbelief be the condemning sin if unbelief be the condemning sin and sinners be condemned for not believing which never had a power to believe where then is the fault 9. whether God hath not appointed all to be saved with this proviso or condition if they believe 10. Whether was not Adam in a state of grace before his fall which if so whether did not Adam fall from grace and we in him 11. What is the state of infants by generation from Adam whether are they in a state of salvation or in a state of damnation 12. If infants are in a state of salvation whether do they fall from that state when they come to act 13. If the elect can never fall from their election by disobeying the Scripture no more then the reprobate can be saved by obeying them to what purpose is the Scripture set forth 14. Whose names they are that are written in the book of life whether be they the Elect's or the reprobate's if the elect's whether they shall not be blotted out if they adde or diminish from the word of God These Absurdities will unavoydably fall on those which deny Christs death for all 1. IF Christ died but for some of the sons of men then the divel destroyes not those men for whom Christ died not but they perish for want of Christ and should so perish if there were no devil to devour them contrary to this Scripture 1 Pet. 1.8 2. If Christ died not for all men then despaire is no sin in them who perish through it seeing there is nothing for them to believe in unto salvation for whom Christ died not 3. If Christ died not for all men then I think it were a sin for some men to believe he died for them because they should believe a lie if they should believe that Christ dyed for them seeing he did not if they speak true which say he died not for all 4. If there were some persons for whom Christ died not such persons should be exempted or freed from the condemnation of unbelief or treading underfoot the blood of the Covenant by which they were sanctified if it were true that Christ had not once died for them for how can that man crucifie Christ afresh or tread underfoot the blood by which he was sanctified for whom no Christ died or no blood was shed if they say true that say Christ died not for all 5. If Christ died not for all Satan in perswading people that Christ died not for them doth not evil if that be true that Christ died not for them and therein he were no deceiver but rather perswades them to that which is truth if Christ died not for all as they say 6. If Christ died not for all men then it were no heresie for to teach some men to deny that Christ bought them contrary to that Scripture 2 Pet. 2.1 who said Some men bring in damnable heresies even denying the Lord that bought them bringing on themselves swift destruction But it is impossible for him who Christ died not for to deny the Lord that bought him or to be a heretick in so doing if Christ bought him not 7. If there be some whom Christ died not for it is an error for them to believe that Christ died for them which say they he died not for 8. If Christ died not for all men then some men for whom Christ died not do believe a truth in believing that Christ died not for them which were a blasphemy to say 9. If Christ died not for all men then some men shall be damned in hell for not believing that which is not truth because some men shall be damned in hell for not believing that Christ dyed for them yet some say that it is not truth that Christ died for them and so shall be damned in hell for not believing a lie 10. If Christ died not for all men then their damnation is not to be ascribed to their not believing but to Christ not dying for them which is contrary to these Scriptures Joh. 3.18 36. FINIS * Men-slayers * Fore-sight of Faith

Sound Doctrine OR The Doctrine of the GOSPEL about the extent of the Death Of CHRIST Being A REPLY To Mr. Paul Hobson's pretended Answer to the Author's Fourteen Queries and ten Absurdities With A brief and Methodical COMPENDIUM of the Doctrine of the Holy Scriptures clearing up the riches of Gods love to all mankinde and his desires to save them that yet wilfully perish Also Of ELECTION and REPROBATION whereon they do depend and how the Objections against the Truth hereof may be Answered Whereunto is added The fourteen Queries and ten Absurdities pretended to be Answered by Mr. Paul Hobson but are wholly omitted in his Book LONDON Printed for Richard Moon at the seven Stars in Paul's Church-yard 1657. To the Church of Christ at NEWCASTLE in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ THe grace of our Lord be multiplied upon you all and strengthen you in every good word and work You may remember that one Mr. Paul Hobson who professeth and preaches up that faith which teaches a man to doubt whether Christ died for him or no did write a little book by way of Answer to the fourteen Queries and ten Absurdities which I presented unto him Which book I thought I was bound to answer for the sake of truth because he doth labour by so many subtilties to overthrow the very foundation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ And indeed had there not been an urgent necessity compelling me thereto I should not have undertaken such a task being I confess very unable to manage so great a work in such a publick manner which I have done though according to truth and my best endeavours yet not without some fears lest my weakness should disadvantage the righteous and undoubted cause I have in hand I had also another discouragement upon my spirit when I considered how many most excellent works are now in Print already about this subject so far transcending what I could say Notwithstanding I was perswaded to adventure upon this consideration That if I should have buried all in silence many of the Lords people might have stumbled and fallen from the truth of the Gospel and the adversaries thereof would have triumphed and so have hardned their necks more and more against the light of the glory of God shining forth to all the world in the face of Jesus Christ I desire you dear Brethren to accept this my small and first work of this nature in right good part and seriously peruse it over with an attentive eye I have endeavoured as much brevity as would stand with plainness If any thing at first reading seem-strange to you read it over again I have not willingly erred in any thing in this work that I know of I desire you to shroud this little Tract under your protection for it is not like to be the safer for being innocent I mean i' th' world it was not the modesty of Susanna that was able to secure her from the inditement of the Elders and 't was the innocency of Joseph that made his Mistriss pronounce him guilty But ye unto whom God hath given a spirit of discerning between truth and errour I trust will defend this little book because it labours to deffend the truth I pray God of heaven to encrease in you all vertuous and sound Principles that from thence may spring and also encrease a holy and Godly conversation more and more until we come to be perfect before our God in Sion This is the earnest request of Yours in the Lord Jesus W.P. To the Reader Courteous READER DAyly experience makes me sensible that the Devil never wanted cunning inventions to court men to the imbracing of false Doctrine and most commonly such false Doctrine whose natural tendency is to carry on the great design of Satan in the world to wit ungodliness and unholiness of life and conversation For he always labours to counter-plot the Alnighty in all his designs We may observe throughout the whole stream of Gods word Gods great design is to destroy the works of the devil that is sin and to make men holy to the end that he might make them happy Now Satan that arch-enemy of mankind be seeketh above all things to hinder this work for by hindring righteousness he knows he shall hinder the happiness of Gods creatures and because he well perceives that Gods design is to promote the work of righteousness in all people that so he might make all happy Satan there projecteth alwayes to counter-plot God labouring to promote sin in all that so he might promote the misery of all men So large as Gods love extendeth in endeavouring to save even so far also doth the envy of the Devil extend in his endeavors to damne And for as much as God hath tied himself that he will not work Physically upon man nor irresistibly but by gentle perswasions upon hopes of glory and feares of punishment and the devil hath not power to work otherwise then by alurements and promises and threatnings which he is not able to perform I say because God will not and the devil cannot work upon man otherwise then by perswasions therefore it comes to passe that all men are neither saved nor damned but onely those saved that are willing to let the Lord work on them and also are willing to work with him in purifying and cleansing themselves from sin and onely those damned that refusing Gods work do yield themselves to the working and works of Satan Now these things though they are most plain truth and do sure right well with good reason justice and equity yet they are much opposed by too many in our dayes whose ●eal is too great for their knowledge I desire thee most Kinde Reader to read this little Book seriously and weigh it 〈…〉 the balance of Truth and sound Reason and see whe●● 〈◊〉 I have not spoken to thy reason and search those Scrip●●●●● which I have quoted if they be not to the purpose in 〈◊〉 and whether my design be not to magnifie the amplitude of Gods grace to sinners by which they are undoubtedly excited to amendment of life upon a sure and certain hope of glory and not upon any uncertain sound of the Gospel As they do that limit the general promises of the Gospel unto a few onely and without condition making an unknown and secret decree of Election to be the ground of their faith and so 't is no marvel if their faith be unstedfast and full of fears and doubts when the foundation of it is no better But I will detain thee no longer from the book itself lest I should make my Porch too big for the Cottage to which it leadeth But I commit thee to the guidance of God in the reading hereof that thou mayst not onely be brought to the acknowledging of those truths herein contained but also and chiefly that thou mayest in the power and and strength thereof live according to that grace of God which bringeth his