next words I am revil'd with opposing M. B. in his Holy Commonwealth and Key for Catholicks This is an untruth also 'T is not the opposing M. B. that is the thing objected but your scurrilities towards him are mentioned as another Instance of your Civility Look again into my Book p. 33. and if possible blush at this lying and palpable impudence But as if you could not speak a word without falsifying you add And to shew how barâ—…arous my demeanour was towards him after the Elogies of Reverend Learned and Ingenious he is said to be a Person worthy of great respect and our Eccholius adds that he can scarce forbear affirming concerning him as a Learned Doctor of our Church did That he was the only Man that spoke Sence in an Age of Non-sence M. Stubbe have you forsworn to speak Truth and will you give your self the trouble to prove further what â—…very one believes of you already Did I to shew the Barâ—…arousness of your Demeanour give M. B. the Elogies of Leaâ—…ned and Ingenious and add the other Passage you mention to that purpose Pray borrow a pair of double Spectacles from your Friend M. Cross and look again into my Book where I represent your Demeanour if you find those Elogies there or the other Passage I 'le be bound to believe you yea even when you Romance about Jamaica What you cite is in my PHILOSOPHIA PIA which was written before any thing against you and when you were not at all in my thoughts How is it then you have the impudence to publish that those Passages were to shew the barbarousness of your demeanour to M. B What an obnoxious Falsifier are you In the next Period you say I shall not recriminate upon M. Glanvil There is Disloyalty which extends beyond Writing It may be found in Praying Preaching and Communicating with Rebellious Schismaticks Do you mean to vent two or three gross Untruths more in this place or do you only write at your usual rate of impertinence If you mean that I am guilty of any Disloyalty in Preaching Praying and Communicating with Schisntaticks or ever were 't is a sâ—…andalous shameless Falshood as many hundreds can witness How disloyal my Preaching is you may see if you please in my Sermon on the â—…gs Murder printed two or three years ago and how quite contrary the truth is to what you would maliciously insinuate both in this and the other Particulars all Men that ever knew me since I Preach'd can attest And I never was in a Pulpit above four or five times till the Return of the King though I was Master of Arts some Years before So silly a Romancer are you or if you will not own it here you must confess that you meant nothing to the purpose by your Words In the following Sentence p. 37. You phancy you may have the advantage of the Excuse of Education and being bred in ill Times as well as I But my Friend There is diâ—…rence between a Negative Loyalty and Active Uiâ—…lany between only living and breathing in a bad Air and endeavouring to spread the infection of it further and to make it more Pestilential and Fatal I say no more You understand me Well! Thus I aggravated the malignity of your Temper and thus you have Answer'd But what 's become of all the other Instances of your ridiculous Boastings abominable Sâ—…urrilities Treasonable Invectives impious Endeavours to destroy Laws Religion and Learning You think 't is the best way to cover them with Silence and to insinuate to those that have not read my Book that when I talk of the malignity of your Temper I mean only That you writ a Defence of M. H. in some Grammatical Questions and opposed M. B. in his Holy Commonwealth and Key for Catholicks Cunning Shuâ—…er But when you mention these Instances why don't you add what mighty things you boasted of your self and what vile Names you call'd Dr. W. in your Defence of M. H And why don't you tell your Reader that when you opposed M. B. in his Holy Commonwealth and Key for Catholicks it was only in those things in which he opposed Sir H. V. and the most extravagant Phantasticks But this was not for your purpose and therefore Mum. You opposed M. B's Holy Commonwealth you say and some you phancy may think that you writ against the Errors of that recanted Book So that hereby you would inâ—…uate a good Opinion of your self and a bad one of me as making your writing against such a Discourse an Instance of the malignity of your Temper You have no other way to defend your self but by either downright Falshood or such Tricks of Legerdemain and Cousenage To go on with you You tell your Reader ib. That I give no Reparation to the Physicianâ—… for my injurious words Plus Ultra pa. 7. 8. Had I spoken any there about Physicians or did I think that any one Physician that doth not want Physick himself understands me to have as much as meant any thing to their prejudice I should give them what Reparation they can expect But all that you have objected about the Cut-Finger and the Injury done your Faculty I have proved to be meer impertinent Malice that longed to pick a Quarrel And I shall now give you a further Account of that whole Paragraph you have transcribed and raised such Clamours against If in Discoursing of it I can shew that the substance of those Periods and the most obnoxious Passage there is to be found largely and often insisted on by so Great Learned and Wise a Man as my LORD BACON I hope I may be excused for having spoken after so profound and celebrated a Philosopher that was no Enemy to Physicians or any sort of Learned Men. I repeat my Periods as you have cited them The Modern Experimenters think that the Philosophers of elder Times though their Wits were excellent yet the Way they took was not like to bring much advantage to Knowledge or any of the Uses of Humane Life being for the most part that of Notion and Dispute which still runs round in the Labyrinth of Talk but advanceth nothing Plus ult p. 7. I say the Experimenters think and undertake to represent the Sence of some of those Philosophers as I apprehended it My Thoughts were chiefly on my Lord Bacon Let us see now whether that Great Man hath not declared what I say the Experimenters think Antiquis Auâ—…horibus suus constat honos atque adeo omnibus quia non ingeniorum aut Facultatum inducitur comparatio sed viae Nov. Organ Aph. 32. Again Aph. 61. Nihil illis sc. Antiquis detrahitur quum de via omnino quaestiâ—… est Thus you see without detracting from the Wits of the Ancients he questions the WAY they took for the Advancement of Knowledge and that he thought it to be unfrâ—…ful appears further from almost his whole Book 〈◊〉 from the Praef. p. 2. De utilitate dieendum est
and Metaphysicks that are taught the Junior Students my thoughts of them I confess are diâ—…erent but yet I say they are not to be thrown off Letter conâ—… Arist. p. 2. Because the Statutes require Exercises in them and 〈◊〉 are dangerous On this you comment and intimate that I make them useless as to all other purposes which is false and injurious In my Letter concerning Arist. p. 2. I have acknowledged other Uses of those first Studies I here transcribe some of those Periods I should never have been so disingenuous and undutiful as to form a Project so inconvenient and hazardous in the event as to discourage young Students from a Method of Studies the Constitutions of the Place they live in hath enjoyn'd them which indeed considering the Circumstances wherein things stand 't is in 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 they should be verst in since that Philosophy is â—…rought into the 〈◊〉 Theology of Europe which therefore could not be comprehended without an insight into those Hypoâ—…eseis Nor can a Man make a reasonable choice of his â—…rin-ciples 〈◊〉 he have some knowledge of all that offer themselves Candidaâ—… for his favour 〈◊〉 and a 〈◊〉 Mans Belief iâ—… not Châ—…nce 〈◊〉 Eleâ—…on besides which it enlargeth and eâ—…nobles the Minds of Men to furnish them with variety of Conception and takes them off from doating on the beloved Conclusions of their private and narrow Principles Answ. to White p. 18. You see M. Prater that I have declared my approbation of those prâ—…inary Studies as to other purposes besides compliance with Statutes and therefore your Malice is toothless I gave those Studies their due though I did not allow them useful either for the giving an account of Nature or promoting any Works for the Uses of Life Aud when I considered that these ought to be the Ends of the Real â—…hilosophy I diverted from the Notional about which my first thoughts had been imployed This is the sum and sence of these Passages you quote from me to render odious p. 44. You force from them several vile Consequences which you kindly bestow on me as if they justified those that discouraged Gentlemen from the Universities and intended to overthrow the ancient and necessary Education of this Island p. 47. Which things how well they follow I leave to any Man to consider that will judge impartially of what I have said Is there nothing think you to be done at Oxford or Cambridge as you quaery p. 46. if Peripatetick Philosophy be useless as to Discoveries and Inventions Doth it signifie nothing to capable and ingenious Youth to have their Minds exercised in a way of Reasoning though about things that will not signifie in the World of Business Is there nought else to be learnt in the Universities besides the niceties about 〈◊〉 and Forma and dependent Notions Will it do young Gentlemon any hurt to be instructed in Morality History Mathematicks and other such useful matters And are not these worth their going to Oxford and Cambridge though they should not receive much benefit for their Purposes from the Peripatetick Philosophy For shame M. Stubbe leave this course of malicious cavilling and consider whether by such Suggestions which speak as if there was nothing to be learnt in the Universities but a few Notions about Ens and Materia prima you do Them not more disparagement than you can prove any Virtuoso ever did or intended And let me ask you Whether you think in earnest that whoever judgeth the Peripatetick Principles Notional and useless in the sence I have declared ought ipso facto to be reputed an Enemy to the Universities and their Learning If so what think you of my Lord Bacon Either acquit the Virtuost with him or condemn him with the Virtuosi The things that follow under this Head are contemptible and are either answer'd already or deserve no answer I have sufficiently shewn in the beginning of my Praeface that the Account I gave of you out of your Writings was no Digression as you term it p. 48. but most necessary to be done as an Introduction to an Answer What becomes me to do more I have promised at my first convenient leisure You might methinks content your self with the morsel I have already given you but the rest shall follow My Sallies against M. Cross which you object to me ib. were very requisite For you are the Squire to that Knight of the Spâ—…acles You say 't is a Year and half since I began to collect your Books Perhaps so But I could not procure them all till after your Animadversions were extant I received that Book of yours against me in June as I take it and the Month following my Answer was in the Press though the Praeface and Post-script were written after It could not be finish'd before the end of the Term and so it slept all the long Vacation and the beginning of next Term it had some stops put to its finishing by some extraordinary Occasions of my Printer So that it was not the Work of so much time and labour as you pretend M. Tell-troth And when you say ib. That I omitted to Preach at Bath for many Weeks excusing my self by the pretext of writing against you I reply that I never omitted Preaching twice a week when I was at home besides very frequent occasional Sermons ever since I was a Publick Minister except when I have been sick or lent my Pulpit to a Friend I never excused my self from preaching by my writing or any other Business whatsoever Nor did I ever decline it in 〈◊〉 own Parishes when any accidental Occasion required my Labours in that kind 'T is true I did not preach at Bath during the time of my writing against you but 't was because Bath was not then the Place of my residence but my other Pariâ—… and I divide my time between them 〈◊〉 was then in my Course at Froome but never omitted preaching as many hundreds can witness So that what you say here is either a down-right falshood or a silly impertinent Equivocation What hard fortune have I to be sorced to deal with an Adversary whose whole strength is in cavilling and lying But it follows that after all I understood not the State of the Question ib. I understood Impertinent that the first Qâ—…estion between M. Cross and me was Whether the Moderns had not grâ—…atly advanced Knowledge since the days of Aristotle I gave accounts in my Plus Ultra of Modern Improvemâ—…nts In a Câ—…llection of remarkable Instances You fall foul upon that Book but say nothing to the Question only you carp at Errors of the Press and voluminously oppose some accidental Passages catching at a word here and another there and fight against the Shadows of your own Imagination the malicious Interpretations which you make but my 〈◊〉 will not afford so that in the whole menage you have prov'd your self a prâ—…tling Iâ—…pertinent This I have shewn by Instances in my Praefatory Answer And whatever was
the Question between M. Cross and my self of that I have given Accounts elsewhere The Question between You and I is Whether you are not Impertinent in all you have said against Plus Ultra This I affirm and have begâ—… the Proof For the particular things you mention I engaged to give in my Accounts of them in due time But this I must tell you Let them be determined which way they will The first and main Question about Modern Improvements will not be concern'd in the Decision For if Antiquity was not so shy of and altogether unacquainted with Anatomy If the Graecians and Followers of Aristotle did know Chymistry If the Ancient Aâ—…otelian Philosophy hath advanced some Practical Knowledge If the Inventions attributed to the Virtuosi belong not to them If the Moderns cannot shew â—…ore Fruits of their Philosophy in a short time than the Aristotelians of theirs in so many hundred years which you say are the Questions p. 48 49. I say If these fall as you would have them yet it follows not that Anatomy and Chymistry have not been much improved in latter Ages It follows not that the Aristotelian Philosophy is as operative and useful as the Experimental It follows not that the Virtuosi have been no Inventors nor Improvers In fine it follows not that Knowledge is not highly advanced beyond its Ancient Stature and so consequently upon the whole it follows not that M. Stubbe is not a Cavilling Impertinent or that I am bound to follow him in all his Wild-Goose Chases So that Gentle Sir I have not mistaken in my beginning with you but stand upon my old Ground that That useful Knowledge is much advanc'd in the Instances I have produced and by the Persons I have mentioned and that we may probably expect greater â—…mprovements of it from the Royal Society and other Experimental Philosophers Except you disprove me in these Particulars my Main Cause is safe and you will shew your self but a Caviller though you write as long as your Head is hot You say All the Learning I flourish with is but the Remains of a treacherous Memory which some Years ago studied something p. 49. Though my Memory M. Stubbe be not so good as yours yet I am contented since I have not so much need of a good Memory as you And I had much rather have my Learning in my Judgment than in my Memory Flourishing with Quotations where they are not necessary I always looked upon as a piece of Pedantry and vain Ostentation But you fall severely on two Passages in my new Book The first is my making FUST or GOTHENBERG to have found out Printing whereas you say I might have learn'd out of Hadrianus Junius that it was found out by another at Harlem p. 49. But I am inform'd by Polydore Virgil That the Author was Jo. Gâ—…tenberg of Mentz to whom Dr. Hackwell adds the Authorities of Palmerius Melchior Guilandrinus Chasaneus Veigniâ—…r Bibliander Arnoldus and Munster But Peter Ramus and others ascribe it to JoFust of Mentz also And why might not I mention these as the Authors of Printing after such Authorities And why must I be bound to believe Hadrianus Junius concerning the Man of Harlem before those other Famous Writers This is one of your cavilling Tricks when I affirm any thing though fâ—…om never so good Authors if you can find any one to speak otherwise His is presently made the infallible Authority and I am upbraided with Illiterateness and want of Reading By the same course I could prove you as illiterate an 〈◊〉 as ever spoild Paper The second Passage from whence I am concluded very illiterate is my mentioning of Flavius Goia as the Discoverer of the Compass This is an Error of the Press It should have been Flavius or Goia I am confident it was so in my Copy For I was sensible of the mistake committed about it elsewhere And you confess some ascribe it to one and some to the other Now you tell your Reader p. 50. that you have added 〈◊〉 to satisfie all men that I am not at all acquainted with Books Whether I am so or no I will not dispute but whether this caâ—… be inferr'd from the Premises let the Reader judge Illiterateness and unacquaintance with Books are the Imputations of course against all that you call the Virtuosi You design no doubt by the Chargâ—… to insinuate that You are the only Man of Reading and that no Man may pretend to Learning but your self We must always premisâ—… when we speak before such wise men â—…s you Aâ—… a Fool may say This you say is for the benefit of ordinary Conversation and 't would be equally beneficial for you to premise when you quote Authors Aâ—… I learn'd from such an Index And when you Reason Aâ—… a Madman may discourse But the great Exploit is behind and you thus express your self p. 51. That I may give the World an Instance of that Impudence with which M. Glanvil demeans himself in this Effort of a desperate Ignorance I shall set down what he replies to me about the Deceitfulness of Telescopes You gave Instances just now about the Authors of Printing and the Compass to satisfie all men of my unacquaintance with Books And now you intend to give a great one of my Ignorance and Impudence But see to it that iâ—… hold good or else the Instance will be an undeniable one of your own You said then as you repeat here That if M. Cross was in an Error about the deceitfulness of Telescopes you were sure M. Boyle 〈◊〉 in the same The Error that I object to M. Cross as to this matter which you attempt to vindicate is set down p. 65. of my Râ—…us Ultra and it was That Dioptrick Glasser were all falâ—… and deceitful presenting us with Objects that were not Now if it can be inferr'd from M. Boyle's Discourse that He affâ—…rmed All Telescopes to be thus deceitful you have reason for saying he was in the same Error with M. Cross If this cannot be proved you must seek another Instance to shew my Ignorance and Impudence and to justifie your own Modesty and Knowledge Let us briefly examine the matter then Your reason of M. Boyle's being in M. Cross's Error is in short this He sought the Maculae and Faculae Solares but could not discover them in many months though some other Astronomers that â—…it before him did prâ—…nd to see them every day and yet he wanâ—…ed not excellent Telescopes nor omitted any requisite Circumstance This is the sum of what you repeat p. 52. Hence you would argue if you intend sence That All Telescopes are deceitful otherwise you cannot prove by it that M. B. was in M. Cross's Error To this I reply p. 176 177. of my Pref. Answ. to this purpose M. Boyle saith nothing in the Place quoted by you that tends to the proving the deceitfulness of Telescopes or that he believes them Fallacious I spoke indefinitely and meant of
thing and to my best remembrance never said any thing in the late times in which I was a Child that could need any favour from an Act of Indempnity and I dare say there is not a Man born since 1636. less obnoxious to the Church and Government And therefore my Friend you shall not draw me into a Copartnership with you in your Guilt And you might have spared calling me Reneâ—…ado Presbyter as you do p. 34 the first of your Praefaces I never concern'd my self about the Disputes of Church-Gouernment till the Year before the King 's coming in when upon Inquiry into the matter my Judgment voted for Episcopacy and accordingly I suddenly took Orders upon His Majesties Return from the Bishop of Lincoln but never was in any before So that you might with as much justice have call'd me Quaker which another Huff did as Presbyterian But now I remember you are not to mind what truth or justice there is in the Imputations you bestow If they signifie Reproach 't is sufficient for your purpose And that you regard nothing else in the Characters you bestow 't is further evident from your styling me Ecebolius who was a shuffling Apostate and one that I should say was like a Physician of Warwick but that he repented And why Ecebolius I pray I never joyn'd my self with any of the Sects I never frequented their Meetings I never espoused their Principles I never received Sacrament or Orders or Preferment from them On the contrary I overcame the Prejudices of Education even in those times and as soon as ever I had inquired pleaded for the Constitutions of the Church of England and declared against the Practices and Opinions of the Prevailing Parties though it were against my Interest and exposed me to the displeasure of those that could prefer or ruine me This I did when there were no hopes of better Times And how come I then to be Ecebolius But cry you mercy Sir now I think on 't you are not to be ask'd a Reason for any thing you say or do Reason is too cold a thing for your tempâ—…r of Head To shew that your Stock of Scurrilities was not out notwithstanding all your vast Expences in this kind You fall anew upon the Virtuosi with the Titles of Lorâ—…es second sort of worthless Fanaticks Alumbradoes in Religion and all Sciences Reply p. 21. In a Letter to me You say all your Adversaries are â—…enegadoes and that the Royal Society understand neither History nor Sence You write in that Letter that you will tell Foreigners of their Cheats and destroy their Repute which is never to be saved but by timely submission You have made them you say to disclaim their History Reply p. 21. And add that you will make them not only to disown the Book but the Contents thereof ib. Don't you think that every Man that shall read this will look upon you as distracted What do you mean to give me the advantage of so many new Arguments of your Madness when I have abundantly too many already 'T is pretty to observe how your wild rage vents it self against Dr. More You represented him as one that had deserted the Royal Society and commended him then But when he disproved your falshood in that and other Particulars you recane your Commendations and rail against him with all imaginable rancour and vehemence You had said He was a Member heretofore of the Royal Sociâ—…ty but allows nothing to it now And would not any one have interpreted the meaning of these Worâ—…s to have been That he was not of it now What else doth Peretofore signifie This Dr. More disproved and in his Letter to me added the other Sence of the latter part of your Words on which you now insist viz. His allowing nothing to the Weekly Contributions which indeed is a possible but I thought a ridiculous meaning Dr. More call'd it a skue and crooked Quibble confess'd it to be true but did not think it meant And I avow I was so far from believing this to be your Sence that I thought it almost ridiculous to suppose it and therefore I leâ—…t out the whole Passage This I answer to what you say to me for the omission in one of your Letters M. Stubbe I have almost done with you for the present only give me leave to ask you a few Questions between you and me Your great Pretences are the Interests of Monarchy and Religion Pray do you remember what a certain Physician for His Majesty in Jamaica advised Col. D. in that Island and when he was slighted by that Loyal Gentleman what he counsell'd my Lord M. in the same place Do you remember who talk'd of several hundred Gospels that were of old and made those we have to owe their Credit to Chance in a Discourse to me and two others of Oxford Can you call to mind who told me at Sir J. L's Table at Bath That being sick he prepar'd himself for Death with Lucretius and Beregardus and being ask'd whether he had not the Bible to help prepare him made a pish of it and said That he had not seen a BIBLE in seven Years before and that it was good for nothing but to make Folks humorsom Do you remember who affirm'd to me in the Presence of Sir F. H. and other Gentlemen That there was no more reason to believe there is a God than to believe there is none That he believ'd it because he could not help it and could not help it because he was carried by an unaccountable impulse That the Arguments to prove a Deity drawn from that Wisdom Beauty Order and Usefulness that is in the Frame of the Creation signifie nothing because We cannot tell what Is Wisdom Beauty or Order Do you not know the Gentleman that discours'd thus And have you not forgot the Letter that my Lord M. hath of the same Person 's and with what carnestness he beseech'd his Lordship not to let it be seen by the Virtuosi for fear of his being ruined by it Are you not acquainted with the Ecebolius that hath done and said these things siâ—…ce his Conversion and Confirmation If you are advise him to talk no more for shame of his Zeal for Monarchy and Religion You see what I could say Put these Passages into your Hint-box or into your Snuff-box if you think flt I thought here to have left you but I must add a Paragraph or two more In the Praeface of my last Answer I say that your Apâ—…logy of Serving a Patron would justifie Faux Ravillac and the Stubbes that were hang'd for Treason in former Reigns And you seem very angry in your Letters that I thus disgrac'd your Family and challenge me to give an Instance of any Stubbes that were hang'd I perceive by it that you are not acquainted with your own Pedigree I 'le therefore inform you that you are not the first of the Name who hath deserved well of Monarchy In M. Heath's Chronicle of the Civil Wars of England p. 856 857. Edw. 2. you will find among divers others convicted of a Conspiracy against the King Bishops and Government one Francis Stubbes a Cheesemonger was executed with his Accomplices and Quarter'd as a Traytor And another Name-sake of yours John Stubbes had his Right Hand cut off on a Scaffold erected in Palace-yard for a Seditious Book intituled Vorago in which he vented abominable Reproaches against the Queen and for that was so punish'd as you may see in Cambden's Elizabeth You may thank God and a Gracious King that you have had a better Fate than those others of your Name I wish you may never meet with the Reward of your Deserts as those other Stubbes did but may repent and be wise on this side the Place where many Friends part FINIS