those matters whereof they doubt Moreouer hee propoundeth the thinges that hee hath taught to bee discussed in publike disputations that there might no doubt at all remayne Besides these thinges he maketh oftentimes exhortations to profit them well in the Doctrine proposed Héere again the Doctor not onely teacheth but also exhorteth And hee addeth dissuasions from those things whereby they might bee hindred and also admonitions and reprehentions and generall rebukinges Last of all such a master marketh diligently what may profite euery one of his schollers And if he shall marke any to be slack in learning he both correcteth him priuily and admonisheth him of his duety If hee perceiue any to goe lustily forward in learning hee often times calleth him commendeth him and enflameth him that hee might followe his studye more and more Christ the Lorde him selfe did also keepe all these seuen manners of teaching In the synagogue at Nazareth hee read the 61. Chapter of Esay and interpeted it Luc. 4. in the mount he expounded the commaundementes of God Math. 5. and taught euery where and exhorted and reprehended and rebuked out of the worde of God He answered also vnto all both good and bad that asked him questions and on the other side he demaunded Questions as Math 22. He often catechized the Disciples he himselfe was also present at the catechising Luke 2. Sith therfore the ministery of teaching requireth a work so manifold there are also many orders of Ministers deputed vnto this Ministery And first of all Readers whose office was in a pulpit a place somewhat higher to recite the diuine scriptures But this recitall of the diuine scriptures was ordeyned to this purpose that both the tongue the manner of speaking of the scripture and the whole scripture it self might be made more knowne and familiar to the people For within a year they recited all the holy bookes vnto the people When as those that opened the scriptures coulde not by expounding finish but some part of the scriptures and that no great part neither in one yeare While in the meane season by the onely reciting of the diuine bookes vnto the people the knowlege of all the pointes of our saluation was meruelously confirmed for they are oftentimes in euery one of the holy bookes repeated and are by diuers and other names expounded so that alwayes the people out of the lesson following shoulde learne manye thinges which they coulde not as yet playnely perceiue by the former lesson and by that worke was the peoples iudgement confirmed concerning all our Religion as also concerning the expositions of the scriptures and concerning all doctrine that was brought foorth before them eyther by the lawfull Curates and Doctors or else by others For these causes this office also of reciting simply the diuine scriptures vnto the people was in the auncient Churches highly esteemed Neyther were any chosen to this ministery but such as were commended for their singuler godlinesse the which both we may vnderstande by other monumentes of the auncientes and also is perceiued cheefely by one Epistle or twayne of Saint Cyprian as out of the fift Epistle in the seconde booke concerning Aurelius that was ordeyned a reader And Epistle 22. in the third booke concerning Saturus And in the fourth booke concerning Celerinus Celestine To these readers were afterward adioyned Psalterists who had the gouerning of the Psalmes and hymmes that were to be sung Concerning the Scriptures to bee reade the Lorde bee thanked it is well ordered in the Englishe Churches so that there might bee fitte readers which shoulde adde thereto a grauitie and religiousnesse worthy of the diuine mysteries that were recited in the holy Lessons Let it therefore bee pondered diligently whose mouth they represent them-selues to bee which in the sacred assembles reade the diuine bookes vnto the people that is to wit they represent the mouth of God almighty then of what moment of what dignity the matters are that are recited which are the wordes and preceptes of life eternall last of all to what manner of men and to what purpose the readers of the holy scriptures ought to serue For they ought to minister vnto the sonnes of God for whose saluation the first begotten sonne of God shedde his owne bloude by the which thinges the same saluation maye more and more bee made open and bee throughly perfourmed vnto them Which thinges if a man with a true fayth consider with him selfe what grauity decency religion can bee yeelded in any action that such a reader shoulde ouerslippe But they which exercise this function ought alwayes to haue that in the sight of their minde that those thinges which are reade before them ought effectually to serue to the edification of fayth in the hearers the which also shall then at the length bee brought to passe when as both those thinges are well vnderstoode and also are receiued as the wordes of God But vnto both of these a moste cleare well spoken religious pronunciation is required Whereupon is gathered that they are not the Ministers of Christe which doe so recite the diuine scriptures as though that were the onely thing which shoulde be required that the shortest leysure that can be may be spent in such kinde of recitall Now there is another office the interpretation of the Doctrine that is to be dispensed that this to wite a more simple explication of words and sentences This ministery did the bishoppes execute and the priests or Elders Notwithstanding sometimes they admitted vnto this function out of the order of Deacons and of Sub-deacons yea and sometime of the layty such as they founde to bee by the holy Ghoste made fitte profitable to exercise the same So Origene beeing also a lay man was called to this office in the Church of Cesarea of Palestine by Alexander byshop of Hilta and by Thertistus bishoppe of the same Church of Cesarea Euelpis also by Neonus bishoppe of the Larandians and Paulinus bishop by Celsus bishop of Iconium and Theodorus by Atticus bishoppe of the Sinadians These thinges are reade in Eusebius in the sixt booke the tenth Chapter of his Ecclesiasticall history And out of the Epistle of those two bishops Alexander of Ierusalem and Theoctistus of Cesarea bishops in Palestine to Demetrius bishop of Alexandria who reprehended the fact of these two bishops concerning Origene as though it were a thing neuer hearde off for a lay-man while bishoppes were present to speake in the Churche vnto the people But these B. manifestly affirme that this was not true but that the holy Bishops were accustomed to exhort them whome among the laytye they knew to be fitte that they would bring foorth some profite vnto the people of interpreting the scripture and in teaching and that they would exercise this ministery euen while they their-selues also were present And the seconde and so the thirde part of the Ministery to wit interpretation and Doctrine the bishops and the
or house of God ought to be directed in all thinges according to the order prescribed by the housholder himselfe Which principle is true within the boundes thereof that is to say in all thinges that he hath prescribed But if he haue not prescribed all thinges appertayning to the externall gouernment of his Church or house then are those thinges which are not prescribed by the housholder himselfe not to be so vrged as that they ought necessarily this way or that way to be alwayes directed The Apostle Hebr. 8. verse 5. saith out of Exod. 25. verse 40. Moses was warned by God when he was about to finish the Tabernacle See sayde he that thou make all thinges according to the paterne shewed to thee in the mount But the Apostle proceeding in the ninth Chapter verse 11. applying this first Tabernacle to the second which he calleth a greater and more perfect Tabernacle not made with handes that is not of this building meaning the naturall bodie of Christe referreth not this to the mysticall bodie which is the Church or house of God and much lesse to the externall forme of regiment in all matters ecclesiasticall or belonging to the Churches gouernment No not when before chap. 3. verse 1. c. he speaketh both of Christ himselfe and of his house or Church also Therefore sayeth he holy brethren partakers of the heauenly vocation consider the Apostle and high Priest of our profession Christ Iesus who was faithfull to him that hath appointeâ— him euen as Moses was in all his house For this man was counted woorthie of more glorie thâ—n Moses in asmuch as he that hath builded the house hath more honour than the house For euery house is builded of some man and hee that hath built all thinges is God Nowe Moses verelie was faithfull in all his house as a seruant for a witnesse of the thinges which should be spoken after but Christe is as the sonne ouer his owne house whose house wee are if we holde fast the confidence and the reioysing of the hope vnto the ende Here againe we sée that this faithfulnesse in all his house as Moses was faithful is not to be reckoned as though he went about to shewe vs that all pointes of the externall regiment of the house or Churche of Christe haue a prescribed order by which they ought to bee directed in all thinges but that in the inwarde and spirituall regiment thereof we should acknowledge Iesus Christ the sonne of God to be the Lord and owner of this house and to consider him as the Apostle and high Priest of our profession that is of our Christian faith and religion and to confirme our faith in him that wee are his house or Church if wee holde fast not this or that externall forme of Ecclesiastical gouernment but the confidence and reioysing of hope vnto the ende And thus farre foorth and not furder we admit this second principle or proposition And this is necessarie to be obserued because this principle is here set downe in such captious order as insinuating that Christ had prescribed an order in all thinges in his house or Church according to the prescription whereof all thinges ought to be directed In which sense it is no principle but a question betwéene vs which wâ— denie and our brethren affirme but as yet they haue not prooued it The thirde saye they is a manifest trueth beleeued of all them that acknoweledge the Scripture of God to bee a perpetuall rule of all our life and able to make the man of God perfect prepared to all good workes Here againe another caption is to be taken héede of in this their thirde principle which order is not to bee learned else-where but in his holie woorde For if they meane it of the order that in his holie worde he hath prescribed true it is that order is not to be learned any where else as anie necessarie prescription otherwise then as an exposition of the same order for our more cleare and fuller learning thereof And so alwayes kéeping the foundation the godlie fathers and expositors may builde there-on and the godlie gouernours of the Church may beautifie and adorne the same so that all be doone to Gods glorie and to the true edifying of the Church And so this third proposition is a manifest trueth beleeued of all them that acknowledge the scripture of God to be a perfect rule of all our life and able to make the man of God perfect prepared to all good workes But it followeth not héere-upon that all generall or particuler orders in the externall gouernement of the Church are not else-where to bee learned but in Gods holie woorde except they meane by Gods holie worde such as are inclusiuely comprehended and not expresselie specified in his holie worde For they their selues haue not all their orders expressely mentioned and in all thinges prescribed in Gods holy worde For example their owne communion booke entituled The forme of Common prayers administration of the Sacramentes c. They dare not auowe that all thinges therein conteyned haue not beene learned else-where but in his holie worde and are there to be founde eyther in plaine woordes or necessarie implication but because they thinke that they are not contrarie they dare auouch thus farre to call them Agreeable to Gods worde And yet as though the agreeablenesse also might be called in question they adde héere-to And the vse of the reformed Churches And as their owne booke of Common prayers vseth all these helpes to saue all vpright for feare they might be chalenged in this poynt euen so this booke which our bretheren commende vnto vs to be A learned discourse of Ecclesiasticall gouernment prooued by the worde of God wee shall finde in the discourse thereof that the learned discoursers learned not all the orders prescribed there-in out of Gods holie worde but somewhat else-where Except they will likewise say it is agreeable or not contrarie to Gods holie worde Wherein also we shall God willing sée how they faile But if that answer may thus serue them I sée not whie it may not as well serue vs if we haue no other gouernement established but such as is agreeable and not contrarie to the holie word of God although it be not in his holie word expresselie prescribed Neither dooth this text of S. Paule 2. Tim. 3.17 anie more infringe euerie order in the churches gouernement that it maye not be learned else-where but in Gods holie worde then it dooth infringe euerie other order in the ciuill policie or administration of euerie mans morall behauiour that their orders also are not to be learned else-where but in Gods holie word Bicause thiâ— is a manifest truth beleeued of all them that acknowledge the scripture of God to be a perfect rule of all our life and able to make the man of God perfect prepared to all good workes But it sufficeth for such orders as
life should euen bowe down their myndes to loue the Gospell of Iesus Christe and his sincere Religion Certes to perswade one in speeche and wordes to embrace Christe to inuite him to godlinesse to open the waye to faith but in doings to driue him from Christe to giue an example of doing wickedlie to bring forth no fruites of faithe is no other thing then as much as the daie before thou buildest vppe so muche the daye following to pull downe and with Penelope to vntwiste the webbe againe whiche thou wast minded to haue gone thorough More-ouer before them whose condition is of very diuerse sorts wittes are not al like to temper the manner of teaching to the profit of ech one of them is neede of singuler prudence Heere-unto therefore appertayneth that whiche Clement writeth in his firste epistle to the brother of the Lorde They that Catechise that is to say they that instruct beginners with the worde it behoueth that they them-selues bee instructed For it is a matter of the soule And it behoueth him that teacheth and enstructeth rude soules to be such an one that he may bee able euen to proportion or fitte himselfe and directe the order of his worde according to the capacity of the hearer He therefore himselfe must especially be verye well learned and skilfull blamelesse ripe vnfearfull And S. Augustine at large teacheth how a Catechist or Teacher ought to rouse vp oftentimes his mynde to diligence and labour to breake of all irkesomnesse in the difficulties that hee meeteth with How furthermore it should be his speciall endeuour to frame his speeches according to the diuersitie of the persons And to deale otherwise with those that are of the Gentiles Otherwise with those that come to the Churche from among the Iewes Otherwise also with those that are of the citie and politike men Otherwise with those that are husbandmen and altogether vntrayned vp Otherwise with those that are Gramarians Orators or Philosophers Otherwise with those that are vnlearned otherwise with those that haue beene before accustomed to foule offences and to treate on all thinges otherwise with them that are thought to liue vn-reproueable Besides this there are many that feignedlie and not from the heart come to heare the doctrine some desire diuerse places of Scripture and obscure questions to be expounded vnto them From whose mindes except the scruple be in time remooued it is to be feared least at some time they leape back againe from their holy purpose Therefore these men which were called to the office of catechizing or teaching had not onely neede of learning but also of no meane wisedome Of whiche things Augustine teacheth in his booke of Catechizing the rude in the third the fift and in eleuen chapters following And against Faustus the Manichaean the thirtienth booke the seauenth chapter and so forth vnto the ending And out of doubt such an other was Panthenus the first Doctor of the Ecclesiasticall schoole after the Apostles Maister of the Catechismes or of these manner of Teachings in Alexandria Whome Clemens in his firste booke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of his scatterings or strawings witnesseth that he learned all of the Apostles Of whome S. Hierome writeth that he laboured muche in the Chruches with his liuelye voice Such an other was Clemens of Alexandria the successor of Panthenus in either function As also besides Hierome Eusebius witnesseth in the first booke the tenth and eleuenth chapters of the Ecclesiasticall Historie Such an other was Origen there succeeding in the thirde place Such an other was Heraclas vnto whom Origen deliuered vp the schoole Such an other was Dyonisius the Catechizer or teacher of the people of Alexandria Of whome Eusebius in his Ecclesiasticall Historie the 6. booke Chap. 16.19.22 speaketh Moreouer such an-other at Hierusalem was Cyrillus of whome mention is made before To conclude suche an other at Carthage was that godly man Deogratias whome S. Augustine greatly doth commend All this noteth Hyperius of these auncient Doctors Teachers or Catechists Whereby we may perceaue these Doctors Teachings and much more by their owne workes and treatises to be ful of exhortations applications Yea some of their Catechistical bookes are called by the name of exhortation as that of Clemens Alexandrinus his oration exhortatory to the Gentiles c. Neyther héerein did they inuade the office of other men For it speciallye appertayned to their owne office as Hypperius further noteth 499. For those which for the confession of the Christian truthe were deteyned captiues or ledde to punishment hee was woonte speaking of Origen and likewise of Cyrill with reasons brought foorthe out of the holie Scriptures to comforte them and to animate them vnto constancye and to many the children of the heathen vnto whom with the rules of Grammer hee had studiouslye beate vpon the points of religion to them was he an author to embrace Christianity c. And in the 3. Chap. what doctrine and poyntes of Religion should be taught in a Cathechisme fol 472. he saith The 4. heade is of doctrine but in the name of doctrine I take all those thinges which were proposed to them that were newly baptized and are exacted to be seuerely kept That is to witte of the newe life innocency of the regenerate For it beseemeth him that is baptized to become euen a newe man and by all meanes to die to sinne to liue afterwardes onely to righteousnesse and to shew himselfe to bee suche in all the actions of his life that it may be vnderstoode he vsed the mysteries trulie and with fruit Of the which newnesse of life after Baptisme Rom. 6. Knowe ye not that so many of vs as are baptized we are baptized into his death wee are buried together with him by baptisme into death that euen as Christ was raysed from the deade by the glory of the Father euen so we should also walke in newenesse of life For if wee bee grafted with him to the similitude of his death euen so shall we be to the similitude of his resurrection Knowing this that our olde man is crucified with him that the body of sinne might be destroyed that hence-forth we should not serue sinne c. Also to the Eph. 4. This therefore I say and testifie by the Lord that ye walke not heereafter as the residue of the Gentiles walke in the vanity of their mynde c. And a little after of the doctrine succeeding baptisme But you haue not thus learned Christe if so beye haue heard of him and haue beene taught in him euen as the truthe is in Iesus To lay aside according to the former conuersation the olde man which corrupteth according to the luste of error But be ye renewed in the spirite of your minde and put on the new man which is created according to God by righteousnesse and holinesse of truthe The like things thou readest Col. 3. 2. Pet. 2. In which the doctrine of
indéed and so were called in the office of the Ministerie and Eldership his fellow Elders And how auncient the originall of this superior authoritie was For this I take to be the ground and principall substance of this controuersie Concerning the etimologie of the name of Bishop bicause I haue so largelie begoone with him I will onlie set downe Kemnitius tom 2. pag. 1181. But that those things which in this place coÌ„cerning Bishops may the rightlier be vnderstood certeine thinges before hande out of the Scriptures and out of the true testimonies of antiquities are in briefe to be repeated The names therefore 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of Bishop and Bishoplie office are in the Aposticall writing read to be vsed for the Ecclesiasticall ministerie Act. 1. 20. Phil. 1. Tit. 1.1 Tim. 5.1 Pet. 5. But those names are taken from the vse of the vulgar toong and are applied to the Ministerie of the Churche for the care of administration and of viewing Suidas saith that in the common-weale of Athens there were Bishops and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Keepers or watchemen that were sent to the cities subiect vnto them not to gouerne them with an absolute gouernement as Lindanus dooth interprete it But 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is as Budeus out of Liuie translateth it to viewe their fellowes matters Plutarch in the life of Pericles saithe Phidias was 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Bishop of all the workes that is the viewer of them c. And so noting out of Homer Plutarche Tullie and the Pandects The Apostle saith hee did the more gladlye applye those names to the Ecclesiasticall Ministerye bicause they were knowne and common by reason of the Greeke translation of the Olde Testament For the worde 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Pakad Pekudah and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Pekudim which signifieth a visitation a viewing an office a care an administration committed a dutie giuen in charge The Graecians translated it 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to ouersee an ouersight and ouerseers or surueiors Num. 31. the ouerseers of the armie Iudic. 9. Abimelech hath Zebull his Bishop or ouerseer 4. Reg. 11. The Bishops or ouerseers that are ouer the armie Ibid. the custodies placed ouer the house of the Lord are thus expounded of the Graecians he hath placed Bishops ouer the house of the Lord 2. Par. 34. The viewers of the workers are called Bishops Num. 4. The office or dutie of Eleazar in the Tabernacle of the Lord is called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a Bishoprike So Psal. 109. The function of Iudges is called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a Bishoprike I haue rehearsed these examples that I haue obserued that it might be considered from whence the Apostles tooke that name The force whereof also may be gathered and vnderstood of those places Hierome translateth it a super-attendent Ambrose a Super-inspector Thus farre Kemnitius on the name Nowe in this sense euerie one to whome an Ecclesiasticall charge was committed at the firste might well be called a Bishop In which sense the name Bishop stretcheth especiallie to the Apostles Act. 1. as likewise all the Apostles were Deacons Yea the name Deacons conteins all the Ecclesiasticall Ministerie But when these offices began more seperatlie to be deuided then the name of Deacon began to growe peculier vnto those that attended especiallie on the tables the name Bishop remaining as it did vnto the Apostles And when the Apostles planted the faithe of Christe in any Churches and ordeined in the same Pastorall elders in respect of this their ouerseeing the people and good orders among them they indifferentlie communicated this name of Bishop vnto them And so the name continued taken indifferentlie and was well vsed by S. Paule to these Pastors mentioned Acts. 20. admitting they were all of Ephesus onelie vntill factions rising among the people as they were affected to some Elders more then to other so the name of Bishop which was before indifferent became more appropriate vnto one who as haueing the ouerseeing not onelie of the people but also of his fellow Pastors began by their consentes more especiallie to bee called Bishops than the residue Which title of being the Ouer-seer of them as it could not but carrie with-all a iurisdiction and authoritie ouer them nor could be wrong from them with-out all their consents that were before inuested with this title and authoritie so who were the first that began the appropriating of this title Bishop vnto one aboue his fellowe Pastors and when and where it first began though it bee not purposelie expressed in the Scriptures yet that the occasion and introduction of it had his entrie euen in the Apostles times manie reasons and those I hope of substance may induce vs therevnto And that not onelie of the testimonies of the auncient Fathers and practise of the Churche of Christe in all the ages néerest succéeding the Apostles which should some what mooue vs but euen by the conference and examining the Scripture it selfe we shall finde more then probalitie of the same For if wee shoulde goe no further then this Churche of Ephesus of which ye make all these to be Pastors all these Pastors Bishops and all these Bishops equall hauing iointlie an ouer-sight ouer the people or parted into 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which we call parishes yet notwithstanding for all these Bishops it dooth plainelie appeare they had afterwards in S. Paules time one Bishop that had an ouersight ouer all these Bishops ouerseers And what I praye you importeth that if it bee prooued but that either he was an Archbishop or cheefe Bishop ouer them if they were Bishops or if they were not and did but for the time portake the name of Bishop that was but late taken vp among them yet at the last he had a superior episcopall iurisdiction ouer them And first what meaneth in the end of the later Epistle of S. Paule to Timothie this subscription 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. The second Epistle written from Rome vnto Timothie the first Bishop ordeined of the Churche of Ephesus True it is the former parte of this subscription is omitted in the common Latine translation But since it is in the Greeke and not omitted either by Erasmus or by our Geneua translation though Beza likewise translating the same do adde his censure-saying This member is not extant in some old bookes and indeed I thinke it is put in vnderhand yet since he shewes no reason at all wherefore he should so thinke it is frée for other not to thinke so lightlie of it Timothie being of so manie learned and auncient Fathers and interpreters so repâ—â—ted and called Bishop of Ephesus Now if Timothie were the first ordeined Bishop of Ephesus what Was he first in time and before all these or was he any of these whome S. Paule Act. 20. calleth Bishops the text is manifest to the contrarie For as Paule tooke him to goe with him
the Trinity the cōmunicating of his body and bloud and if there bee anye other thing that is commended in the Canonical Scriptures Those things excepted which burdened the seruitude of the old people according to the congruence of their hart and of the prophetical time and which are redde in the fiue bookes of Moyses But those things that are not written but that being deliuered we keepe which are indeede obserued throughout the whole worlde are giuen to be vnderstoode that they are to bee retayned as either of the Apostles themselues or of plenary or general Counsels whose authority is moste hole-some in the Church they are commended or decreed vpon As that the passion of the Lord and the resurrection and the ascension into heauen and the comming of the holy Ghost from heauen are celebrated And if any suche other thing shall occurre which is kept of the vniuersall Church whither soeuer it spreade abroad it self As for other things which are varied by Coastes of Countries and by regions as is that that other fast on the Satterday and other not other euery day communicate the body and bloude of the Lord other doo receaue but certaine daies somewhere no daye is left of in which there is not an offering made somewhere on the Satterday onele and the Lordes daie somewhere onely on the Lordes day And if any such other like thinge may bee noted this whole kynde of things hath free obseruations Neither any discipline in these thinges is better to a graue and prudent Christian then to do after that sort after which he shall see the Church doe unto the which he shall happen to come For that which is enioyned neyther againste the Faythe nor yet againste good manners is to bee holden indifferentlye and to be kept according to the company of them among whom men liue So that according to this fatherly aduice and sounde iudgement of S. Augustine conferred with these and other circumstances for the vniting of this name Bishop vnto one more peculierly then to other his fellowe brethren it being neither against the faith nor against good manners though there had beene no mention at all thereof or of that whiche might inferre it in the Scripture and though diuerse Countries had one custom of Gouernement and we another yet were not ours to be disobeyed but straungers comming to vs are to conforme themselues as occasion requireth to ours and muche more our selues not to despise the same But nowe it beeing suche an vniuersall order that it hath al-waies continued euen from the Apostles times and all ouer the Churche in euerye place without alteration nor any age or people haue beene knowen or can bee named in al Christendome where this pretended equality since the Apostles times hath beene maintayned but that there haue bene Bishoppes good or bad that haue beene superiors thoughe not in the office of their Order yet in the office of their Dignitye albeit wee could not shewe in the expresse scripture the time the place the manner of the institution beginning thereof yet maye we safely with S. Augustine conclude that it was not nor could be done without the Apostles Especiallye when wee can shew as we haue showed euen in the plain words of the Scripture the verye matter it selfe not among Priestes in the old Lawe among whom they had an highe Priest ouer them and all the Leuites Princes and Rulers of the Leuites as our Bretheren reason from the Prophesie of Esay that God would take of the Gentiles to be Priestes and Leuites to fulfill this Prophesie by proportions of our Pastors and Doctors but wee stande for the originall practise of it on the manifest examples in the newe Testament The Apostles and that not in respect they were Apostles for so they were sent abroad and not resiant in a place but as they were resiant so Pastors had some higher then the residue some that were Pillers and chiefe among them And like-wise had the other brethren 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 those that were guides and Rulers among them And Timothie the Pastor of the Churche at Ephesus as Caluine saith was the chiefe Ruler saith Beza of all the Pastors there Yea the verye plaine subscription of the Epistle it selfe calleth him plat and plaine The firste Bishop of Ephesus Sithe therefore both the gift of this superior dignity and the application of the name had such auncient originall in the Apostles times when it began had such vrgent occasions where it sprang had such godly purposes where-to it tended had such plausible allowance and authority of all the worlds decreeing to confirme it among whome I hope at least were some good men And lastly sithe it hath had such vniuersall and continuall practise of it among whom also such a multitude of holy learned fathers haue taken them this peculier title and superiority shall we now yéeld to Beza his procéeding on this example Phil. 1. That this was the chiefe occasion of all the mischiefe following Here-upon saith Beza began the Diuel to lay the first foundation of his tirannie in Gods church as though all the administration of the Churche were together with the name trāslated vnto one All this and that which followeth in Beza hereupon be it spokē with al dutiful reuerēce to so worthy a man vnworthy affection with in these matters to be so caried away is vnnecessary collected on the sequele here-of howbeit directly indéed no sequel at all True it is that of any neuer so good a thing the Diuell indirectly may pick occasion to worke mischiefe But that can-not be properly avowed that it commeth from thence For as S. Iames saith doth a fountaine send out at one place sweete water and bitter and directly as Christ saith a good tree bringeth forth good fruits If therfore so good an actiō done for so good purposes haue not had so good a sequell it is not to be imputed to the matter but to other ill occasions afterwarde When the good housholder had sowed wheate the enuious man on occasion of the seruaunts sleeping sowed Darnel When God had sent Christe into the worlde to be the corner stone of the building by the occasion of mans malice he was called and was indéede to many the stone of offence and stumbling But what of that shall wée take offence also or conclude that Christe is not the God of peace and loue because warre and discorde followes while Sathan stirres occasions to make sects and diuisions where the Gospell is preached and receaued if that were proued to be the very necessary and proper occasion and those euils following to be the direct natural sequeles it were a good argumit ab effectis otherwise on euery accident you may condemne all thinges But all this runnes on this supposal that the whole administration of the Church together with the name is heereby translated vnto one If this sequele did consequently followe then indéed
multitude to the like gulf of mischiefs For what other thing should a B. be interpreted to be but an Ouerseer chiesly when he siateth in a higher seate in the Ch. and so looketh vpon al that the eies of all may looke on him So that héere at least the bishop is made a Praesident that sitteth though among them yet higher then all his fellowes And is this sitting higher onely to looke on them or this beholding and looking on them for no gouerning of them But let Ambrose tell his whole meaning who after he had highly commended the honor and dignity of the high calling both of Bishop and Prieste both aboue the prince and people in his spirituall function cap. 2. and shewed the daunger if their life were not aunswerable thereunto cap. 3. Therefore brethren saith he vnto the Bishops Priestes vnder him as the Roab setteth forth the Senator as the tillage the Husbandman as the Barbarian his armour as the skill of sayling the shipman and the qualitye of euerye Artificers worke declareth the Authors So nothing betokeneth a Bishop but a bishoplie worke That he might be knowne rather by his good worke than by his profession and more to be a Bishop by his wel deseruings than by the name whereby he is so called For as wee haue saide there is nothing more excellent then a Bishopp so nothing is more wretched if the Bishop be in hazard of his holy life And as it is lighter to runne on the plaine so is it more heauye when one falleth from highe dignitie For the ruine that is from an high is frushed with the more waighty fall Indeed the bishoply honor before men is renowmed but if it sustaine a fall it is a great griefe For how much the degree of a bishoppe is higher than others so much the more greeuous is the fall if that by negligence he should slippe A great height muste haue great heede The greater honor must be enuironed with the greater circumspection To whome more is of trust committed of him as it is written is more demaunded For the thinges that are mingled are with the worste And in an other place The mightie shall suffer more mighty tormentes And to him that knoweth the Lawe and doeth it not the sinne is heighnous And the seruaunt that knoweth the will of the Lorde if he shall not doo it shall bee muche beaten For it is another thing that God requireth of a bish and another that of a prieste and another that of a Deacon and another that of a Clerke and another that of a laie man either else of euery singuler man And albeit GOD shall examine in his iudgement the workes of all men yet shall more bee required for of him to whome more is committed For he shall suffer greater punishmentes to whome a cure hauing greater multitude of people to bee gouerned shal bee committed Thus muche saith Ambrose in that Chap. of this matter not onelye for the honor and charge of a bishoppe more than other but also of the seuerall and distinct degrées of bishoppe of priest of Deacon of Clerke and of the Laye people In the Chapter following hee describeth thė properties of a bishoppe out of S. Paule to Timothye And in the◠1. Chap. he inueigheth most against the Arch-bi in his time that made bishops for money and the bishops also for money made priests Deacons All which as it sheweth their abuses so it necessarilie inferreth both their degrées and also their dignities to bee different and euen confuteth that that Danaeus in the same place principally defendeth Last of all S. Ambrose commeth to this sentence by Danaeus cited For thou art called of all men a Bishop without doubting Especially when thou art esteemed by the very name if so be that the action agree to the name and the name associate it selfe vnto the action For what other thing doth he interprete Bishop but an ouer-looker vpon chiefly whē he sitteth in a higher seate and so looketh upon all men that the eyes of all men also do looke on him This is in very déede both the sentence and meaning of S. Ambrose that he is set in a higher seate than other in the Church because of his higher dignity in the Church And that his action should so aunswere to his name that as he ouerlooketh whereon he hath his name so should he ouer-rule them in the discipline of the church And therefore he is called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a president or one that sitteth highest as Hierome confesseth in his epistle ad Euagrium For also at Alexandria from Marke the Euangeliste vnto Heraclas and Dionysius Bishops the Priestes doe alwaies take one chosen among them-selues whome being placed in a higher degree they called the Bishop Whereby withall it manifestly appeareth that this Bishop of man as they tearme him is of good antiquitie euen from Marke the Euangelist and so an Ecclesiasticall Bishop so that if he could pleade for his higher chayre no better title but onely so faire a prescription from S Marke mée thinketh he should be delt too hardly withall to be turned out now Neither was this first begunne at Alexandria from S. Marke There is yet a more auncient recorde than Ieromes testimonie For saith Eusebius lib 7 cap. 15. To conclude also the Chayre of Iames who was euen of our Sauiour himselfe and of the Apostles in Ierusalem elected the first Bishop in the earth whom bookes do note to be the brother of the Lord is yet to this day there kept And in the same chayre do all they sitte which vntill this present time do enioy the sacred Priesthood of that Seate It is kept therefore with great diligence as a memory of holinesse deliuered from the auncestors and is had in due reuerence either in pretence of the antiquity or of the first sanctification of the sacred Priesthoode Neither doth Eusebius write this of the common estimation of the people and his owne assertion whereof he also spake before libro secundo cap. 2◠That vnto Iames an Episcopall seate in Ierusalem was geuen of the Apostles but also cited out of Clemens which likewise he ha◠done more at large before lib. 2. cap. 1. and hee addeth for furder confirmation héereof saying But Egesippus which was straightwayes after the very first successions of the Apostles with more assured searche rehearseth of him in the fifte booke of his commentaries after these woordes Iames sayth hee the brother of the Lorde who of all men was called the Iuste receaued with the Apostles the Church who endured from the verie times of the Lorde vntill our dayes And so at large Egesippus declareth the maner of his Martyrdome and in conclusion sayth These thinges more at large but agreeable vnto Clement hath Egesippus recorded that Iames was so meruelous a man and among all men so highlie thought of in the obseruing of all righteousnesse that all that were wise among
commaunded Bee yee subiect one to another in the feare of God Ephes 5. The holy Fathers therefore in the old time considering these things haue described the same in the order of the Cleargy that all the other Clearks should with a singular care bee kept and gouerned of the Presbyter or Eldershippe but among the Preestes or Elders the bishop as a Consull among the secretaries of the common-weale according to the often alleaged example of Caluine So hee shoulde beare the cheeefest care and custody both of the whole Church and also singulerly of the vniuersall order of the Cleargye But vnto euery more frequented Church they ordeyned bishops and to euery one of such Churches they commended the Churches neerer adioyning that were in the lesser Townes or Villages and to this purpose they willed the Preestes and Curates of the same Churches whome they called Chorepiscopâ—s Bishops Chorall eche one of them to hearken to the bishop that was neerer to them and to the Presbytery or Eldership Which Preestes or Elders those B being the more cheefe called oftentimes together with al their Cleargy and furnished them in knowledge and diligence of their functions But whereas the Lorde woulde that they which are men appertayning to him shoulde mutually embrace one another and sustayn care one of another as farre and as largely as they are able for all Christians are one body the holy fathers haue ordeyned that the bishops of euery prouince for now all the territories subiect to the Romanes were distributed into Prouinces should assemble them-selues together with the preestes or Elders so often as the neede of the churches required the same but for certaynty twise in the yeare and shoulde enquire of the doctrine and discipline of Christ how the same in all the particular Churches was administred and did flourish And where they had found that sinne was they shoulde correct it and such thinges as they had knowne to bee wel they should confirm them and aduance them But that these Synodes should rightly orderly be administred they willed that both for the calling and moderating of them the Metropolitans should bee the rulers of them that is the bishops of euery Metropolitane City for so the cheefest city in euery prouince was called where the Pretory or pallace of the cheefest president was And therupon vnto these Metropolitane byshops they enioyned a certayne care and heedefulnesse of all the Churches throughout their prouince that if so be they vnderstoode of anie thing that were not so wel ordeyned or doone either of the ministers of the Churches or of the common people they should in time admonish them thereof and if they could not amend the same by their admonitions that to correct it they should call together a synode of the B. for no iudgement was graunted vnto them which by their owne proper authority they might exercise in the Churches that had bishops themselues of their owne for all the iudgement both ouer the people and ouer the Cleargy appertayned to their owne bishop and to the preest or Elder of euery church and as for the B. the synodes iudged them And thereupon when as the B. were to be ordeined vnto the churches it was appointed that they should come together to the same church with all the B. of their Prouince if that with the profit of the churches it might bee doone if not with some of them Howbeit not with fewer then two or three of them Which bishops should gouerne the election of the bishop if it were yet to be made and being made they should examine it and most seuerely make inquiry of him that is elected and search out all his life and his ability for the Episcopall office and then at length initiate him into the episcopall function All which thinges were instituted and were in force vnto this ende that there might bee among the churches and in the Ministers therof so great a knowledge as by any means was possible and a mutuall care and to debarre and expell all offences of Doctrine and of manners and to susteine aduaunce and make more effectuall the edification of faith life worthy of Christ the Lord insomuch that if so be any had ceased from their duetye or office the other bishops shold giue assistance yea to the excoÌ„municating casting him out of the Episcopall office Let those thinges be considered that Saint Cyprian wrote to Stephanus bishop of Rome concerning Martian bish of Arles who fell into the Nouatians sect The first booke Epist. 13. and also those thinges that he wrote in the third Epistle the first booke concerning a certayn portion of the Flocke distributed to euery one of the B. and the thinges that he hath in his Preface and in the counsayle of Carthage as he writeth to Quirinus Furthermore when as all the world was replenished with Churches and that the Metropolitanes also had neede of their owne particuler cure for neither as there began to be very many were all of them wise or watchfull inough for alwayes in all orders of men fewe are excellent the care of some of the prouinces was committed to certayn Byshops of the cheefe Churches as to the Romaine to the Constantinopolitane to the Antiochian and to the Alexandrine and afterwarde to the Caesarien of Cappadocia and to certain other euen as the Churches of Christes faythfull people being multiplied the necessity seemed to requre Notwithstanding vnto these Primate bishops whom afterward they called Patriarckes there was no right at all ouer these other bishops or Churches then that I haue sayde was vnto euery Metropolitane ouer the Churches and bishops of his prouince Euery one vnto his owne portion of Churches ought a singuler care and heedefulnesse and also to admonish the bishops in time if any had aught offended or slacked in his office And if by admonishing he had profited nothing to adhibite the authority of a Councell Among these the first place was yeelded to the Romayne both for the reuerence of S. Peter and also for the maiesty of the City By which reason the fathers afterward ensuing gaue the second place to the Constantinopolitane as to the other Rome and to the bishop of the seate of the Empire whereas the Antiochian had before that obtained the seconde place among these Patriarckes But as the nature of man defiled with ambition laboureth alwayes more that he might rule far wide then that hee might rule well these Patriarckes on the occasion of this generall care of the Churches to theÌ„ committed drew vnto them first the ordeyning of the bishops that were neerer to them And by that ordeining snatched by litle and little and confirmed some iurisdiction ouer such byshops and their churches Which euill when now it glimpsed foorth began to become a greeuous contention concerning a generall empire ouer all the Churches Which indeede first of all Iohn a certaine bishop of Constantinople vnder the Emperour Mauritius
Zuinglius that saith a Bishop and a Priest or Elder were once all one yet in his booke de Ratione Officio Concionandi or Ecclesiastes The Preacher he saith Againe Act. 21. Luke writeth thus The next day wee that were with Paule came to Caesarea and entring into the house of Philip the Euangelist which was one of the seuen we aboade with him This man had fowre daughters Virgines prophecying In which place first we haue to note that thing that this Philip of the Church of Caesarea the Euangelist was a Bishop or a Pastor Neither is he of Luke called an Apostle Howbeit he was one of the seuen which were ordeyned Deacons as the same partie shewed before cap. 6. That thing also withall ought to be noted that they layde downe the name of the Apostles so soone as being fixed to any one Church they had the continuall cure thereof that is to wit when as either being hindred by age or else afflicted with diseases with the troubles of peregrinations and with dangers they were not able to suffice any longer For then were they not any longer named Apostles but Bishops But we may bring foorth S. Iames whom for his age we call Iames the lesse an example or rather a witnesse of this thing For Hierome and withall all the auncient Fathers doe name this man Bishop of Ierusalem for no other cause than that hee had placed his seate fixed in that Citie For when as before as also the other Apostles being giuen to peregrinations he had taught the faith ech where all ouer the countryes hee was at the length by the Apostles themseles ordeyned to be the partie that as a certaine diligent watchman shoulde take vpon him the cure of the Churche of Ierusalem The same thing we may say of Iohn the Euangelist and Disciple of Christ. For when as he hauing beene cast forth to diuerse dangers had long time administred the function Apostolicall at length being made the Bishop of the Ephesians he departed out of this life in that â—itie in the 68. yeare after the ascention of the Lorde Nowe then some of the Apostles being on this wise Bishops in suche places and so as our Brethren call them Pastors shall wee thinke that the other Pastors in those Cities did not stil acknowledge a Superiour dignitie vnto them and that for a longer time than for the occasion of some present action or assemblie Yea haue all the Pastors alike euen and as full authoritie equall in Geneua it selfe as that most excellent instrument of God Master Caluine or the most woorthie Master Beza yet liuing Indéede I can not precisely tell but I thinke not so nor it séemeth so and in my simple opinion be it spoken with due honour reserued to euery godly and Learned minister there be they neuer so equall and all one in respect of the same function and Ministerie it were not méete it shoulde so bee Or if it be so yet were it not so good no not for them as if that I speake of Beza in Geneua or some other excellent man were appointed to haue a continuing and standing moderate office ouer all the residue of his fellowe brethren there in the ministerie to ouer-see and gouerne them assigned vnto him and to exercise the same with painefull care readie diligence and modest humilitie so long as he is able to discharge the same And so indéede it should drawe néerer to the order and custome of the Apostles And yet if their order and custome had admitted such a temporarie superior among them as had serued only the tournes but of temporarie occasions yet thereby also for that time and occasion one Pastor had had the authoritie ouer another yea ouer all the other in the companie And how then do our Brethren here affirme that these testimonies of scripture directly condemne the authoritie of one Pastor aboue another As for the testimonies that Beza alleageth euen of the very first of them concerning the election of Matthias Act. 1. Caluine vppon these wordes ver 16. The scripture must haue beene fulfilled sayth Because Peter maketh the speeche the Papistes make him the head of the whole Church As though none may speake in the assembly of the godly but forth-with he must be made a Pope We graunt indeede that as it is necessarie some one in euery assembly must holde the Primacie or be the chiefe so the Apostles yeelded this honour vnto Peter But what is this to a Popedome So that here though that horrible tyrannie of the Pope be not inferred which the Papistes on euery inkling gréedily gather yet Caluine not onely confesseth plainely both in Peter a certaine honour of Primacie yeelded vnto him but also confesseth it necessarie for euerie assembly of the faithfull to haue such a Primate The like he sayth of the other example Act. 6. Of the sending of Simon and Iohn vnto Samaria Concerning that Luke sayth he declareth that Peter was sent of the residue hereupon it may be gatherad that he exercised not an Empire ouer his Colleagues but did so excel among them that notwithstanding he was vnder the bodie and obeyed it So that his authoâ—itie excelled any and euery one of his fellowes in particular but in respect of the whole bodie and corporation of them he was not so much as fellow but inferiour As for the last testimonie cited héere by Beza Act. 15. what Caluine hath sayd alreadie thereon euen for the standing Bishoprike of Iames at Ierusalem and how therein he excelled the residue of the Apostles wée haue at large heard before Now where our Brethren adde that yet they take not away the lawefull authoritie he hath ouer his flocke but that Imperious and Pompeous dominion which is meete for ciuile Magistrates and great Potentates to exercise in worldly affaires euen as Beza said it was not of any kingly Empire or royall commaundement and yet was it a reuerence giuen of dutie and as Caluine saide it was not a Papacie nor Empire ouer his Colleagues and yet he did excell among them and heâ—d a Primacie ouer them and the other yeelded an honour to him so these our Brethrens sayings may be well allowed And I thinke no Bishoppe or Arch-bishop in Englande doth desire any other then such limited authoritie of their office as may well agrée with these moderations and rather stande with humilitie modestie and diligent ouersight of good order than to aspire to any such royall Empire or to exercise anie Imperious and Pompeous Dominion And saue for the name sake of Lorde that for a litle more reuerence God wotte they are honoured with all if I should not rather say for some others a great deale more enuied for that they haue not our Bishops haue béene méetely well shriuen for such matters This Pompeous Imperious dominion being thus exemted otherwise say our Brethren in respect of their lawefull authoritie they are called by the Apostle
serued for good excellent purposes as out of Zāchius Bucer is declared yet notwithstanding if these reading Ministers perched into higher places of the Ministerie than they should as comming some what néere to the touch of these tearmes they might perhaps better deserue to be remoued But if they simplie meane all reading Ministers wheras the most part are able to giue good counsaile instruction admonition exhortation in priuate conference besides their publike formall reading though they haue no dexteritie in publike preaching yea there is none so learned a preacher in this land or in anie other Church but it may beséeme him well inough to reade the publike forme of common praier in the Church and to reade the Chapters and Psalmes appointed and so all sorts of Ecclesiasticall persons being comprised in this tearme Reading Ministers it were ouerhard to remoue all and to condemne all reading Ministers for Idoll shepheards It will be answered no doubt that to supplie their ignoraunce there are added to their appointed seruice many godlie and learned Homelies which if they reade with their seruice there is not so greate neede of preaching and interpretation of the Scriptures And if this be answered for anie thing that is héere replied the answere might satisfie anie reasonable man that were not too litigious and importune Why may not many godlie and learned Homelies bee added to supplie their ignorance that are not learned pastors Is not an Homelie a sermon also And if they be godlie and learned many such Sermons although they be but read plainlie and distinctlie vpon the booke and not conned or spoken without the booke may it not be safelie sayde at least thus much that where they are orderlie and often read there is not so great neede of other preaching and of other interpretation of the Scriptures Whē as indéed the reading of thē being read as they ought to be is also a kind of preaching and oftentimes no vnfruitfull interpreting of the Scriptures But now what doe our brethren héere replie vnto the answere of this supplie We will derogate nothing heere from the dignitie of those Homelies we will not accuse heere the vnsensible reading of vnlearned Ministers neither yet the vnreuerent contempt of the ignorant hearers but which all godlie and wise men must needes confesse those exhortations that are not applied to the proper circumstances of times places persons occasions are of smal power to persuade anie man and least of all the ignorant people What our brethren heere doe meane in saying wee will derogate nothing here from the dignitie of those Homelies it is vncertaine because that this restraint heere séemeth to infer that some where els they wil derogate from the dignitie of them Which if they doe wee must answere it then take this in the meane season that is granted here And yet here let vs friendlie forewarne our brethren to remember what they haue granted heere least they derogate there from that which they haue acknowledged here that those Homilies are godlie and learned Homilies yea let them take héed that euen here they controll not themselues for if they will heere derogate nothing from the dignitie of them how then will they not allow them to be read Is it no derogation to the dignitie of thē to prohibite the reading of them And sith they heere confesse them to bée both godlie and learned why may not such profit be reaped by them that they may be a good and necessarie supplie when other kinde of preaching wanteth As for the vnsensible reading of vnlearned Ministers may both here and anie where else be worthelie misliked and also the vnreuerent contempt of the ignorant hearers But what is this against the godlie and learned Homelies when they are sensiblie read and when they are reuerentlie heard and not contemned and when the ignorant hearers attaine to knowledge by the hearing and marking of them But whatsoeuer they will derogate other where or contrarie themselues there or here What a daungerous saying is this that followeth as a reason here of thē alleaged But that which all godlie and wise men must needes confesse those exhortations that are not applied to the proper circumstances of times places persons and occasions are of small power to persuade anie man and least of all the ignorant people For these generall spéeches take not onelie awaie the benefit that many to their comfort and increase of knowledge féele by the reading and hearing of many godlie and learned Homilies but also of all other writers Fathers Commentaries Cōmon places Apologies Confutations Treatises Sermons Postills Homilies or whatsoeuer neuer so godlie and learned discourses yea it would make the holie Scripture it selfe which is the power of God to saluation to all them that beleeue it Rom. 1. which is quicke and forcible and more pearcing than a two edged swoord reaching euen to the parting of the soule and the spirit and of the ioyntes and marow and a separater of the thoughts and intentions of the heart Heb. 4. to be of small power And what are anie godlie and learned Homelies but written Sermons expositions and preachings of Gods word to make the same more plaine and so to persuade more effectuallie the ignorant hearers But be it that godlie and learned Homilies are but of small power to persuade anie man yet if they be of some power though the smaller then may they be added as some supplie though the smaller when the greater supplie of godlie learned preaching is not alwaies so redie albeit that many godlie and learned Homilies are not so destitute neither of application to diuers proper circumstances of times places persons and occasions but that the diligent hearer and marker may perceiue him selfe sufficientlie and often times with more moderation and no lesse pithilie to be touched and moued than perhaps with many moe vehement lesse considerate exhortations or reprehensions of diuerse yea that very godlie and learned preachers Let long experience the mistres of fooles teach vs if knowledge the instructor of wise men cannot moue vs. How many Papists conuerted How many ignorant instructed How many wicked reformed are ye able to shew by this ignorant and vnlearned Ministerie with al the helpes of reading of formall Praiers Homilies without preaching applying the Scriptures to the proper circumstances before rehearsed If long experience bee the mistres of fooles whose mistres is late short Experience And why then doe our Brethren crie so fast to haue vs looke vpon and follow the late experience and that in other Countries as a rule for vs and all to imitate The question here demaunded how many Papists conuerted c is verie captions As though we allowed of ignorant and vnlearned Ministers or allowed of such reading of formall praiers and Homilies as neuer hath the helpes of preaching or applying the Scriptures to the proper circumstances
confession of their trespasse before a Deacon also that hee laying his hande vpon them for their repentance they may come vnto the Lorde with the peace which the Martyrs in their letters giuen vnto vs haue desired The other part of the people that is fallen nourish ye thē with your presence and refresh them with your comforte that they fall not away from the faith and mercie of the Lorde c. In the next Epistle writing again to the Elders and Deacons hauing receaued letters from them of the same matter he sayth I haue receaued your letters most deere Brethren in the which yee haue written that your wholsome counsell vnto our Brethren is not wanting that setting aside this rash haste making they should giue vnto God a religious pacience that when by the mercie of God we shall come together we may treate of all kindes according to the Ecclesiasticall discipline Especially when as it is written Remember from whence thou hast fallen and repent But he repenteth that is meeke and patient to the commaundements of God and obedient to the Priestes of God and winneth the Lorde with his seruiceablenes and workers Howbeit because you haue signified that certaine are immoderate and doe vrge hastely to receaue the communion and you haue desired a forme to be giuen of me vnto you for this matter knowe ye that I haue fully written for this matter in the last letters that I wrote vnto you And so telleth them as before how they should lay their handes on them and absolue them In the next Epistle writing yet further vnto them on this matter he sayth But I haue read also the letters of all the Confessors which they would haue made knowen by me to al my colleagues and the peace that they haue giuen to come vnto them of which matters so that a reason be apparant before vs what they haue done after the fault committed which thing sithe it tendeth to the counsel and sentence of vs all I dare not iudge it before hande and claime to me onely a matter common And therefore let them stande on the Epistles which I last made an example wherof I haue also sent alreadie to my colleagues he meaneth by this worde Colleagues not the Elders of his Colledge for he wrote to thē but other his fellowe Bishops who haue written that that which wee haue decreed liketh them c. Here with some thinges he will not medle alone but with his Colleagues And yet this decrée he made alone and in his absence as appeareth by the two former Epistles In the 22. Epistle writing to the Elders and Deacons he sayth Least any thing should be hiddē from your conscience most deere Brethren what is written to me I haue sent you a copie of eyther Epistle and I beleeue that which I haue written again to you misliketh you not But this also I ought by my letters to declare vnto you that vppon vrgent cause I sent letters to the Clergie being in the citie and because I should write by Clerkes albeit I know that many of ours are absent and as for those fewe which are there do scarce suffice vnto the daily ministerie of the worke it was necessarie to constitute some newe which shoulde bee sent wit yee therefore that I haue made Saturus a reader and Optatus the Confessor a Sub-deacon Whom we had made a good while since by the last cōmon Clergie Counsell When on Easter day we gaue once and twice the reading or the lesson eyther vnto Saturus or to Optatus With the Priestes or Elders Doctors and Readers we constituted a Doctor of the hearers by the name of Doctors he meaneth the Catechisers as wee shewed of Pantenus Clemens Origene c. examining whether all thinges agreed vnto them that ought to bee in those that are appointed for the Clergie I haue therefore done no new thing in your absence but that which began long a-go by the common counsell of vs all is promoted or aduaunced further necesitie vrging it Thus again doth he in his absēce promote to higher orders in the Clergie as néede required those whom before by their Counsell he had begunne to choose into the Clergie But still for these Priestes or Elders they were in the nūber of the Clergie such as we haue before shewed being Pastors whom he placeth before the Doctors or Catechisers In the 24. Epistle allowing in his absence a portion of his own stipende to helpe the poore persecuted amongest them hee calleth Rogatian compresbyterum his fellowe Elder Not that he had like authoritie to him as Bishop but that he was of the same Priesthoode or Eldership of the worde and Sacraments that Cyprian was And the next Epistle he directeth vnto nine other Bishops whome hée calleth Coepiscopis his fellowe Bishops item Compresbyteris Diaconis in metallo constitutis martyribus c. and also to his fellowe Elders and to the Deacons placed in the mines the Martyrs of God the Father Almightie and of Iesus Christ the Lorde God our Sauiour c. And thus calling the one companie his fellowe Bishops being none of them Bishop of Carthage where he only was the B. though absent yet was not Carthage being so great a citie destitute of Pastors and calling the other sort Compresbyteros and placing these Elders betwéene Bishops Deacons and withal distinguishing them from both of these and giuing them the terme that S. Peter doth of Compresbyter fellow Elder which S. Peter ascribeth to the Pastors it is most manifest that he meaneth only by those Elders suche as were ministers of the word and Sacraments but not Bishops In the next and last booke of his Epistles he speaketh little of them and writeth seldome to them In the 4. Epistle writing to two Elders that had beene constant in persecution he citeth vnto thē as part of their dutie this sentence of Christ Mat. 28. Goe and teach all Nations baptizing them in the name of the father and of the sonne and of the holy Ghoste teaching them to obserue whatsoeuer I haue commanded you c. when ye shall shew forth these precepts you haue kept the diuine and heauenly commandements To conclude the last of all his Epistles is not the least to cōfirme this matter what was the dignitie and office of these Elders that were assistantes to the B. in such great Cathedrall Churches such famous Cities as was Carthage Cyprian to the Elders and to the Deacons to all the people his most deere and best beloued Brethren greeting Most dere Brethr. I haue to signifie vnto you that which I haue thought appertayneth to the common reioysing and to the greatest glory of our church For knowe ye being admonished instructed by the diuine fauour that the Elder Numidicus is to be enrolled in the number of the Elders of Carthage and that he sit in the clergie being famous with
than of whom it followeth And a witnesse of the suffringes of Christe and a communicatour of the glorie to come that shall be reuealed feede the flocke of God that is amonge you 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. ouer-seeing it c. doth he speake here of any elders or fellowe elders that medled all with gouerning and not with teaching And euen so doth this Dionysius vse the name of Elder and of fellowe Elders in this place For not onely in the woordes before these are both of them called Bishops but what a teaching Elder Timothie was and was commaunded to be the scripture is plaine and we haue hearde at large out of S. Paule in both his Epistles written to him among other thinges namely for that purpose Therefore héere is nothing yet for any such Elders as our Brethren séeke for distinct from both Bishop and Pastor medling not with teaching but all with gouerning nay this name of Elder as it is here taken maketh cleane against them And the like stile he vseth in his ecclesiasticall Hierarchie or holy gouernment of the Church and in the stile of his booke of the diuine names Saue that there he calleth Timothie Bishop of Ephesus As also in the stile of his mysticall Theologie But when we come to the viewe of all the bookes and of all the Epistles that he wrote where shall wee finde these thrée reckoned vp Bishops Elders and Deacons He hath in some séeldome places the name of Bishop as for the name of Elder except it be in one onely place besides the title aforesayd which is the 8. Epistle we shall neuer finde it But once is as good as a 1000 times if it be to the purpose Let vs therefore sée what this Dionysius sayth in that place for profe that there were any such eccl officers as these gouerning and not teaching Elders And to speake plainely sayeth this Dionysius in all thinges that are they are distributed from the first to the second according to their dignitie concerning the god order most righteous prouidence of theÌ„ And that those which are appointed of God to gouerne others should giue to them that are their inferiors and their subiects the thinges that are according to their worthinesse As for Demophilus let him with reason cutte off wrath and concupiscence according to their woorthinesse And let him not violate his owne dignitie but let reason bearing the rule gouerne her subiectes For if in the market we see an housholde seruant reuiling his Maister 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. and a yong man reuiling an Elder eyther also the sonne râ—uiling the Father and with all rushing on him and laying on stripes we also should seeme to be godlesse if we should not running to them hasten to helpe them that are the better c. What can we gather on this worde 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in this place but simplie by the name of Elder an Elder man in age and the other a younger man the relation of the one to the other the termes of Master and housholde seruant of father and sonne the one going before the other comming after and both vnderstoode in their literall naturall sense to conclude the whole drift and circumstance of the place considered who would fetch this so farre as to thinke that he spake here or so much as dreamed of either an eccl or a ciuill Elder If it be replyed that the whole argument of this Epistle arose vpon a Priest that was beaten and misused true it is indéede But by what name calleth he the Priest or any priest Presbyterum or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Sacerdotem he that giueth the sacred word and Sacramentes Which worde not onely hee vseth more than halfe a score of times in this Epistle and he hath once also euen here the name of Bishop but neither here nor any other where that I can finde he hath the name of Deacon Not that he acknowledgeth no Deacons but that he comprehendeth them as I take it in the name of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a minister or worker of the publike seruices And as in all places where he treateth therof he maketh indéede most especiall mention of three eccl orders namely in his eccl Hierarchie cap. 2.3 and 5. resembling them to the proportion of his celestiall Hierarchie in these thrée pointes of perfecting illuminating purging of whome the Bishop is still called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the priest or Elder 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and the thirde 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And so euen in this example within a fewe lines after he had named the Elder that is the old man afore-sayde hee sayth of all these thrée 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Thou thy selfe therefore distribute to thy concupiscence and to thine anger and to thy speech the thinges that are according to their worthinesse But to thy selfe let the diuine publike ministers distribute and vnto them the Priestes vnto the Priests the Byshoppes and vnto the Bishops the Apostles and the successors of the Apostles Where are here these Elders that meddle not with teaching If they be neyther conteyned in the Bishops nor in the Priests both which medle principally with teaching then eyther they haue no place at al or they must be included in the 3. number of the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 wherein he comprehendeth not only all the inferiour officers of the Church but Monkes also So that I thinkâ— these gouerning Elders would be loath to be thrust down into so base a companie Although the purging be giuen vnto them which is somewhat aunswerable to the correction of manners that they would meddle with all Saue that Dionisius also maketh these purgers but to pull off the clothes of those that should be baptized and to voyde the Churche at the communion of those that were possessed with foule spirites or were not throughly taught their Catechisme and to kéepe backe the laye people and such other seruile offices If nowe they disdayne to be of the number of these purgantes and will not become ministers of the worde and Sacramentes nor with the Bishops be perficientes nor with the Priestes be illuminantes then Dionisius cleane renounceth these Seniors that would be tantuÌ„ dominantes and will haue none such in his eccl Hierarchie And therefore if I might counsell such an excellent learned man as is Danaeus he should neuer bring in Dionysius for these Elders But eyther race his name out of his booke or else how so euer an other haue at his perill counterfeited the name of Dionysius the Areopagite mentioned Act. 17. let not vs cuunterfeite any thing in his name but alleage his wordes rightly as he vttered them For he is wrong inough of himselfe But right or wrong sithe we shall neuer wring any thing out of him that may make so much as a shadowe for these gouerning and not teaching Ecclesiasticall Elders let vs nowe go to be better resolued of that
themselues and whosoâ—uer of their familiars or neighboures or by other meanes they haue ioyned to them which haue giuen their name to Christe that diligentlie and freelie they admonishe them And when anie shall proudly contemne their admonitions they shoulde declare the contemners of the admonition vnto the Churche which they haue among themselues either of the companie of their neighbourhoode or otherwise of familiarity or to conclude by reason of kinred or family Which Church if they shall continue to contemne shall declare the matter to the common Ministers of the whole Church that they also in the name of the whol church may warne theÌ„ And if they shal go on to contemne the word of the Lord they shal also excommunicate them or else the selfe same Church in which they are peculiarly known and familier shall then not admit them to the holy communion vntill the Lord shall restore vnto vs a iust policy in the Church and a true censure But howsoeuer all thinges are yet mixed together and perturbed notwithstanding if the Ministers of the Worde will with a good fidelity imploy themselues in their office they shall easilie restore the moste part of the Christian Censure without any disturbance or cutting in sunder of the Church which a faythfull Minister of Christe will by no meanes bring in who knoweth that to him all power is giuen in the Church to aedification not to destruction and that it is more appertaining to his office from euery place to gather them togither vnto the kingdome of God yea the blinde the deafe the weak than to driue them out of it Of the true moderation of the ecclesiasticall censure S. Augustine wrot many thinges against the Donatistes But the cheefest place of this matter is in his thirde booke against the Epistle of Permenian Wherein this man of God moste prudently gaue charge of the correction and excommunication of the euill persons that seeme to be in the Church This place cheefelie at this time were of vs with singuler deligence to bee reade and throughly weighed Thus writeth also Bucer on thiâ— matter where he complayneth most of the lacke of this Discipline and where hee somewhat agréeth with Caluine in alleaging this reason That when Christ spake those words there was no face of a Church that professed his name And yet doth he so litle gather hereupon this vnnecessary consequence that Christe alluded to any Seniory among the Iewes to be reuiued among the Christians when they shoulde haue Discipline in the Church that hee acknowledgeth by the name of the Church nothing else but as the name importeth the whole congregation Neither yet that the whole congregation shoulde excommunicate otherwise than not to permitte the man to receiue the Communion but the common Ministers of the church onely to denounce the excommunication And leaste we shoulde vnderstand thereby any Seniorie not teaching the worde he declareth withall that they be the onely Ministers of the Worde and that to them and to their office the exercise of the power of binding and losing is â—omâ—itted though the power in generall by the churches But Caluin sayth that in the name of the Church the Lord did speak as though it were of the vsuall and receiued manner if he so did then he spake of the present state either of the true Church among those few that professed his name or of the Iewes Synagoue But Caluin saith after that it was not the counsell of Christ to send his disciples to the Synagogue But to allude vnto the old order of the church and not to the present order had not beene to speake according to the vsuall and receiued manner why shoulde we not therefore rather thinkâ— that Christ spake of such order as should be afterward vsed in the Church among the Christians eyther for such states and times as the church was in or to continue then of such order as eyther in the olde time had bene or at that present was in the Synagogue among the Iewes But now if wee should graunt to Caluine and to our Brethren that Christe alluded in these wordes vnto the assembly of Elders that was among the Iewes is this ynough also to inferre that the Law or rule that Christe prescribeth must stretch to the establishment and continuance of the same order or to the erection and Institution of a like order as that was whereunto in these wordes he alluded if this be a good argument let vs see the force of it euen in the present example whereof Caluin himselfe giueth an instance There is no doubt saith he but that Christe alludeth vnto the order of the church euen as also in other places he fitteth his speach vnto the knowne custome when hee biddeth that the gift which we will offer shoulde bee left at the Altar Math. 5. d. 23. There is no doubt but that hee woulde teach vs out of the present and legall forme of the worship of God that wee can not orderly pray nor offer any thing to God so long as we are at strife with our Brethren These words are indéede apparant to be an allusion of these tearmes Altar gift and offering to the present and legall forme nor can be vnderstoode otherwise as the word church may whith is more properly vsed among vs christians than euer it was among the Iewes Whereas the wordes Altar gift and offering were more proper to the Iewes than vnto vs. But doth it followe that because Christe in setting downe this rule of reconciliation alludeth for the plainer vnderstanding of the people to such speeches of Altar gift and offering as were then more vsually receiued and knowne among theÌ„ that therefore he ment withal to establish and cary away in his rule the same maner of Gods worship at an Alter by a gift and offering as was then vsed receiued known among them If it do not in this present instance that Caluine himselfe bringeth in as it is most clear it doth not can Caluine then or any of our learned Br. or al the world infer that if Christ did allude in the term of Church to an Eldershippe or consistory among the Iewes in prescribing his rule of Reconciliation or excommunication that therefore hee continued or renued or constituted the same or the like order among the Christians Or if he looked vpon their Discipline that therefore he ordeined the like to continue for euer did Christe establish euery thing that he onelie speak of or but looked vpon But saith Caluine It should haue bene absurd to haue propounded the iudgement to the church which as yet was no church Although this againe be not altogether so that there was no church yet what if ther had bin none theÌ„ had Christ in these wordes no further respect but to the present time if he had not how shall any perpetual rule be grounded hereon And if he respected a perpetuall order of his church why shoulde we rather vnderstande it
was burned by the Romanes and they sate in Hamih But it was not lawfull De Capite agere to deale with matters of life and death except in Gazith As it is Deut. 17. And thou shalt doâ— according to the worde of the mouth that they shall shewe vnto thee out of that place And againe Thou shalt arise and go vp to that place At the last al these Iudges also were againe killed of the Romanes And these thinges verelie haue the Thalmudists who chalenge to themselues an assured knowledge of these thinges whereof Petrus Galatinus is the Authour But vnto those thinges which they haue written hauing founde them out as it were with their eyes we adioyne these thinges out of the holie Treasuries of the newe and olde Testament and besides out of the Monuments of Iosephus by the which wee shall lay foorth the institution confirmation right and power of this Councel First of al therfore it appeareth that this tribunal or iudgment seate was ordeined of God that from the iudgement of the iudges they should come to the council of the seniors and of the preestes as it is written 17. Deut. For Moses speaketh there by the praescription of God vnto the people But if so bee thou shalt perceiue a difficult and doubtful iudgement to be before thee betweene bloude and bloud cause and cause Lepry and not Lepry and thou shalt see the Iudgements of the iudges within thy gates To vâ—ry arise and goe vp vnto the place which the Lorde thy God shall choose that thou mightest there call vpon his name And thou shalt come to the priestes of the Leuiticall stocke and to him that shal be Iudge for that time and thou shalt aske it of them Who shall shewe vnto thee the trueth of the Iudgement And thou shalt do whatsâ—euer they shall say that rule the place which the Lord shall choose and they shall teach thee his Lawe and thou shalt follow their sentence Neither shalt thou swarue from it to the right hande nor to the left And whatsoâ—uer shal be proude refusing to obey the Preestes commaundement which at that time ministreth vnto the Lorde his God that man by the decree of the Iudge shall dye Out of these it appeareth that this Iudgement was committed to the king to the preestes and to the Elders of the people For they were the cheefe that ruled the place that the Lorde had chosen Iosephus therefore doth so rehearse this lawe that he maketh cheefe mention of the senate For then he wrot But if the Iudges want knowledge to pronounce of the matters brought before them let them sende the whole cause into the holie City and the Bishop and the Prophet and the Senate shall pronounce that that seemeth vnto them But afterward Moses nameth the Iudges them selues whome we haue spoken of preests saying in the 19. chapter If a lying witnesse shall stande against a man accusing him of trespasse they shall both of them stande before the Lorde and before the preestes and before the Iudges that shall bee in those dayes But Iosephus citeth it of the preestes themselues in his second booke to Appion when as he wrote The Preestes were ordeined of Moses the viewers of all thinges the Iudges of the controuersies the punishers of the condemned Moreouer Moses him-selfe in the counsell tooke knowledge or hearing of his cause that gathered stickes on the sabboth Leuit. 15. For so saith Philo. 3. De vita Mosu They tooke the man brought him to the Prince about whome in the Counsell sat the Preestes but all the multitude was present on the Sabboth day to heare them But Moses not knowing what punishment the maÌ„ deserued asked counsel of God who answered that he should be stoned to death By this it appeareth that all the parties that sat in this Sanedrin except the Kings and the Princes persons were Teachers of the Lawe and and word of God Yea in al the other inferior Seniories they were noble men that onely were ioyned to the Teachers But as Moses ordeined this tribunall so afterward Iosaphat King of Iuda ordeined as he also confirmed the iudgements in the cities For thus it is written in the seconde of Paral. He appointed also in Ierusalem Leuites and Preestes and Patriarches out of Israel that they should iudge the cause of the Lord to the inhabiters thereof and commanded them saying thus shal ye do in the feare of the Lord faithfully and with a perfect heart Euery cause that shall come vnto you of your Brethren which dwell in their cities betweene kindred kindred wheresoeuer the Question of the Lawe of the ceremonies of the iustification in the Greek translation it is of the precept commandement iustifications and iudgements He declared vnto them that they should not offend against the L. And leaste wrath should come vpon you and vpon your Brethren Doing thus therefore yee shall not sinne But Anainas your B. shal gouern in those things which pertain to God Zabadias the sonne of Israel which is Capten in the tribe of Iuda shall bee ouer those workes which pertaine to the offices of the king The Masters in Greeke the Scribes The Leuites shall be before them Into this counsell therefore as it appeareth there entred the king with the Princes of the people and the 70. seniors of the people and the Bishop with the princes of the preestes the scribes that is the doctors of the Lawe as is easy to see out of the Gospels where the iudgement made on Christ is treated vpon Wherefore Ioseph of Arimathia a senator or noble decurion the same man being a partaker of the councell for it is written that he gaue not his assent with the other to the condemnation of Christ. But I call them the Princes of the Preestes which in 24. formes of the Preestes euery one of them ruled in euery one of their turnes but the Scribes I call them that were the doctors of the Lawe whome Iosephus called Propheâ—s Afterward the Councell in the transmigration of Babilon being destroyed when the Iewes being returned into their countrie the residue of their institutions were restored the power of Iudging in the Councel was also giuen vnto the preestes Which thing Ezechiel cap. 44. did fore-warne by the commaundement of Goâ— saying The Preestes shall teach my people what difference there is betweene holy and prophane and they shal Iudge vnto them betweene impure and pure and they shall endeuour them-selues that they may iudge about the iudgement of bloud and they shall iustify my iustifications and iudge my iudgements and they shall keepe my lawes and my preceps in all my feast dayes that is they shall take notice of causes of religion and of capitall matters that is of life and death and they shall iustify men that is absolue them and iudge men that is condemne them euen as I haue prescribed in the Lawe to be done where I
receaued c. And afterward comming to the Ministers he saith the Ministers of excommunication were the Priestes and the churche approuing it Deut. 27. the Leuites shall pronounce and say vnto all the men of Israel with a high voyce accursed is the man that maketh a graâ—en and â— moultâ—n Image the abhomination of the Lorde the worke of the artificers and setteth it in a secrete place And all the people shall aunswere Amen In the seconde booke of Esdras chap. 13. Eliasis the preest separateth the straungers from Israell And likewise for the other Key of losing The key absoluing is a power ordeyned of God and committed to the Preestes and Prophetes of pronouncing to sinners beeing penitent the remission of sinnes for the Womans and Abrahams seede and the sonne of Dauid that is for the Messias c. The author and the Ministers are these Eyther God him-selfe immediatly hath denounced the forgiuenesse of sinnes as Genesis 3. When hee setteth foorthe the promise of the VVomans seede hee doth nothing else buâ— thaâ—â—ee mought absolue Adam and Eue from their sinne c. Or else by the Patriarkes So Genesis 30. God sayth â—o Abimelech of Abraham c. Or else by the Prophetes The seconde of Kings 12. Nathan said to Dauid the Lord hath translated thy sinne c. or else by the Preesâ—â— which offering sacrificeâ— expiatory for the people for their sinns afterward blessed them which what was it â—â—so 〈◊〉 a denunciation of the forgiuenes of their sinnes Leui. 4.5.6 9. Leuit. 19. And the Priest shall pray for him and for his sinne and it shall bee forgiuen him and his sinne remitted and Num. 6. Speake to Aaron to his sonnes thus shall ye blesse the children of Israel say vnto themâ— the Lord blesse thee and keepe thee the Lord shew his face vnto thee and haue mercie vpon thee This waâ— the state of Excommunication and absolution in the old Testament denounced by the â—outh of the Minister of the worde For to whom the Absoluing belonged the Excommunicating belonged also The steps whereof sayth Aretius are in the newe Testament Ioh. 9.12 16. For although that Discipline was administred then of wicked men notwithstanding it is for an argument of the antiquitie And in the olde time the Institution was honest and profitable This corruption Christe corrected when he drewe backe this Discipline to his Church Math. 16.18 Ioh. 20. The Apostles also vsed it laudably as it is 1. Cor. 5.1 Tim. 5. Whereby also it appeareth that 〈◊〉 the wicked Iewes vsed it in Christes time Christe reducing into his church the olde Instituâ—ion of God for Excommunicating and absoluing he committed this spirituall censure to such onely as were spirituall Ministers of the Worde Howsoeuer the other that were not Ministers did allowe and approoue the same And this sentence Math. 18. Being ouer ruled by the other before Math. 16. 〈◊〉 Iohn 20. comming after and put in practise by these examples 1. Cor. 5. And 1 Tim. 5. â—here S. Paul being a Minister of the Worde pronounceth the sentence and the Iudgement If the vse of the other Apostles bee to be leueled by these examples it is cleare that in the Apostles times though the Church 〈◊〉 thereunto the action was 〈◊〉 by such onely as were Ministers of the Worde of God What the practise was of Excommunication in the Primitiue church succéeding the Apostles partly appeareth by that we hâ—â—e cited out of Tertullian saying There are also exhortations chasticementes and the Diuine censure For iudgement is there giuen with great wâ—ight as among those which are certayne that God beholdeth them And it is the cheefe fore-iudgement of the iudgment to come if any shall so offend If any be banished from the communicating of prayer and of the meeting together and of all the holy partaking euery of the approoued Elders haue the Gouernment Here is Excommunication mentioned and the Gouernment to appertayne to euery of the approoued Elders But in adding withall the publique prayers and Exhortations that he â—nneâ—eth to the gouernmeÌ„t of these Elders it is apparant that he meant none other but such as were Ministers of the Worde Which we haue also shewed yet more playâ—â— in his booke De Coronae militis where after he hath spoken of Baptisme receiued Sub antistitis vnder the Bishops and Prelates speaking of the Lordes supper he sayth Nec de aliorum manu quam Praesidentium sumimus Neyther receiue we it at the handes of any other than of the gouernors So that he maketh these Seniors and Gouernours to bee all one with the prelates and Ministers of the Worde and sacraments Eusebius lib. 5. cap. 24. telleth howe Victor Bishop of Rome Excommunicated the Churches of the East For keeping their manner of celebrating Easter day Wherein although he greatly abused this power of binding yet if he had rightly with discretion vsed it within his boundes Irenaeus nor any other did reprooue him but only for his rash ouer-reaching himselfe in the same For sayth Eusebius Irenaeus also writing with the other Bishops of Fraunce ouer whome hee had the gouernment for he was Archbishop of Lions Anno Domini 169. doth in-deede confirme it that the Mystery of the Lordes resurrection shoulde bee celebrated on the sunday Notwithstanding hee reprooueth Victor that hee did not well to cut off from the Vnity of the body so many and so great Churches of God that kept the custome deliuered to them of the auncient time And to shew this better that when he vsed this power better he was not misliked for the vse thereof Eusebius sayth afterward in the last chap. of the fift booke But howe can they lay a slaunder vnto Victor concerning this sith they knewe that Victor expelled from the communion of the Church Theodorus the tanner which was the prince Father of this their impiety which durst first at Rome auouche that Christ was but onely a man For if Victor as they say did so beleeue how did he cast out of the Church Theodorus the inuentor of this blasphemy So that Eusebius approueth this doing of Victor for his Excommunication of this heretike I heere passe ouer all the Canons and decrees mentioned in the councelles in the names of the Apostles and of diuers auncient Bishops because their credite may be called in question though diuers of them mentioning the Excommunications made onelie by Bishops and sacerdotall preestes be no doubt of great antiquity Onely I note that which Eusebius recordeth of the Emperor Philip. Of this man saith he It is reported vnto vs that he was a Christian. And on Easter day to wit euen in the Vigilles when he woulde haue beene present amongest them and communicated in the mysteries hee was of the Bishop of the place not suffered before he had confessed his sinnes and stoode among the penitent persons Neither by any meanes coulde hee haue leaue to receiue the mysteries
pitie But say they he was carryed first to the Bishop whom he chose if hee might for his purpose such one as had bin a priest of his owne order cared least what ministers serue in his diocoese From the disdayning of poore sir Iohn our brethren mount vp againe to another slaunder of the Bishop burdening him also not onely with the popish priesthood and so to be one for the popish priestes purpose as a fauorer of popery but also to be carelesse what ministers serue in his diocoese But till they name and proue any to haue then bene or yet to be suche euill Bishops this againe may go for so a foule slaunder that it deserueth for answere a due rewarde of so great an obloquie But to come downe againe from the Bishops to olde sir Iohn lacke Latine that was carryed about on his mare or in a carte if hée was so poore to bée carryed thus baselye aboute howe is it sayd that hée had not seene some of his benefices in a dozen yeare before and that hée was carryed from shire to shire one benefice beinge distante from another 100. mile mumbling vp his articles in his morrow masse voyce in euery Church where he had liuing It might haue beene that this olde popish priest sir Iohn lacke latine might haue serued some smale cure or perhaps in some odde corner haue got a benefice but if hee had so many it is not likely that he was but a sir Iohn lacke latine if not rather had he had withall grace and truth that he had latine inough and siluer ynough also if not too much so that hée néeded not to be carryed about on his mare or in a carte for the matter There is no probability in this tale But what liuinges soeuer he had or hauing liuinges how beastly soeuer he spared his money and rode thether on his widge beaste when hee came there if he mumbled vp his articles in his morrowe masse voice meaning heereby that he did it also in such a beastely sorte that the people did not vnderstand him or that he did it not in the best reuerent hartie maner he could but that he shewed himself to doe it against the hart and for fashion sake only to saue his liuing and so returned if he came such a beaste thither as very a beast as he came this was no sufficient satisfaction to the intendement and godly meaning of the lawe And therefore if anye godly disposed persons were iustly offended at his mockery and manifest eluding of the godly meaning of this act cryed out vpon him for a counterfeite or but orderly coÌ„playned on his misdemeanor they might most easily haue had him punished the matter amended euen with the losse of all his liuinges for so apparant mocking of the statute But now howsoeuer this old sir Iohn lacke latine shifted since our brethren here cite this act of parliament anno 13. And withall doe so greatly commend the godly meaning of the sayd parliament and pitie that the authority of the same statute was abused and would haue the priestes made by the popish Priesthood and with good reason to haue bin seuerelye looked vnto in the full accoÌ„plishment of that which the said statute of so godly meaning did enact sith I hope our Bre. also meane as they speake may it please them to consider with me or with their pillow a little better of this godlye meaning of the act of the words therof then tell me whether that some if not all of their owne selues might not haue bin shrewdly touched yet may be by their manifest breach thereof And for to begin with the entendment godly meaning of the act to repeate the wordes againe marke them better The words are these That the churches of the Queenes Maiesties dominions may be serued with Pastors of sound religion beit enacted by the authority of this present parliament that euery person vnder the degree of a B. which doth or shall pretend to be a Priest or minister of gods holy word sacrameÌ„ts by reason of any other forme of institution consecration or ordering than the forme set foorth by parliament in the time of the late king of most worthy mermory king Edward the 6. or now vsed in the raigne of our most gracious soueraigne Lady c. Doe these words and the godly meaning of them reache onely to the popish Priesthood do they not plainely reache also to any fourme of institution consecration or ordering of any other neuer so much reformed churches beyond the seaâ—â— or in this realme other than the forme set foorth by Parliament in the raignes of king Edward of our now most gratious soueraigne Lady Queene Elizabeth so that the forme of institution consecration or ordering ministers Priestes or Elders which our brethren doe pretend and vrge in this learned discourse the forme that they haue prescribed in their new boke of coÌ„mon prayer these words godly meaning of the statute comprehend theÌ„ And what now if any protestation were ordeined in any reformed churches beyond the seas according to their formes of institution consecrating or ordering or according to that our brethren desire yet read not the articles nor were depriued will our brethren crie out how pitifully that authority was abused which was by the same statute committed to the B. by the negligence of the Bishops and bribery of their officers And although that braunche touche not so much these our Bre. now bicause it saith which doth or shal preteÌ„d to be a Priest or Minister of gods holy word sacraments by reason of any other institution consecratioÌ„ or ordering sith our Bre. as I take it do not pretend to haue bin ordered or made ministers by anye other forme but onely that they should or would bée made ministers by another that is by the forme following the Geneua order set out in their communion booke so that withall it haue the additions of this learned discourse and be in a Synod so escape the danger of the statutes words yet therin they both do much discredite themselues in holding by that ordeyning which they desire to leaue writing against it yet retaining it calling theÌ„selues faithful ministers are made ministers by the very same forme of a B. ordeining them which they condemne to be an vnfaithfull forme of ordeining ministers or rather no ordeining at al except Antichristian being done by the authority of one man besides that they manifestly oppose themselues to the godly meaning of the statute But how soeuer for that point of the Statute ordeined as is aforesaid they will flee for holding their Benefices from the meaninge thereof which neuerthelesse they confesse to be godly to the wordes of the statute that they pretend not to haue bin ordeined by another forme that is allowed in the statute notwithstanding in that part of the statute that
Scriptures so also it maye reade these two volumes hee speaketh of Iesus the sonne of Syrach and the booke of wisdome to the aedification of the people not to confirme the authoritye of Ecclesiastical opinions or decrees Or are they offended that yet thus much should be giuen to the apocryphall Scriptures that they should bee read at all in the Churche for a dification in example of life and instruction of manners but to be vtterlye neglected or defaced as some haue not spared to bestowe very grosse speeches on all the apocriphall Scripture but bicause this againe is not so much for the distinction of Canonicall and Apocriphall bookes as for the estimation of them I thinke they meane not of anye grosse or palpable error in these words If they doe by the grace of god wee shall the eaâ—â—ier cleare them by the testimonie of manye whome our brethren I hope wil not burden with so grosse speeches Especially when the whole Frenche Churche in their confession goeth as far foorth héerein as we doe where hauing reckoned vp the whole Canonicall Scripture of the olde Testament and the newe agreeing in all the particuler bookes with vs in the fourth article they saye These bookes wee acknowledge to bee canonicall that is wee haue them as the squire and rule of our Fayth and that not onely by the common consent of the church but also much more by the testimonye and inwarde perswasions of the the holye ghoste by whose suggestion we are taught to discerne them from other Ecclesiasticall bookes which as they may be profitable neuerthelesse they are not of that sort that any article of the faith may be established out of them To whome accordeth the confession of the churches of Bâ—lgia or the lowe Countries Who after their lyke enumeratioÌ„ of the canonicall bookes in the fiue and sixe articles saye on this wise These onelye bookes wee receaue as holy and canonicall vppon which our fayth may staye bee confirmed and established c. Moreouer wee make a difference betweene these holy bookes and those which they call appocrypha that it to wit because the appocryphall may indeede be read inthe church and it is laweful also so farre foorth to take instructions out of them as far as they agree with the canonicall bookes Howbeit they haue not that authoritye and force that any opinion of the fayth and christian Religion can bee certainelye builded on their testimonye So farre is it off that they can infringe or diminishe the authoritye of others And if after these I maye alleage any priuate mans confession I commend the Reuerende Zanchius Who in his confession chap. 1. Aphorisme 4. after the like particular rehersall that our Articles make of the bookes canonicall and not Canonicall in the olde Testament he sayth Thus much of the olde But out of the newe Testament wee except none For although there bee some of them of which it was doubted in the olde tyme notwithstanding euen they also were afterwarde no whit lesse acknowledged than were the other to bee the writinges of the apostles vnto whose iudgement we also subscribe Of the former sorte are the Gospels after Matthew Marke Luke Iohn the actes of the apostles the Epistles of Paule the former of Peter the former of Iohn Of the later sorte are the Epistle to the Hebrues the Epistle of Iames the later of Peter the seconde and thirde of Iohn the Epistle of Iude the Apocalypse For although they maye seeme after a kinde of sorte to bee of a certayne greater authoritye of the which it was neuer doubted than those of which sometymes it was doubted notwithstanding wee beleue as well the one as the other euen as the certaine word of God As for the Apocryphall bookes that are conteyned in the Bybles volume wee giue them the firste place after the Canonicall And therefore wee vse onelye the Canonicall bookes to prooue the opinions or decrees of Fayth and with the Fathers wee teache that they are to bee vsed as for the other wee thinke that they haue no small authoritye to confirme afterwarde those thinges that already are prooued Thus writeth Zanchius agreeing with our articles And heereto also he quoteth Hierome in Praef. in Salo. Cyp. in Symb. pag. 377. conc Load cap. 59. But what neede I labour thus to cléere our Article herevpon when the Geneua Bible it selfe hath as much as this comes too saying the bookes that followe in order after the Prophetes vnto the newe Testament are called Apocrypha that is bookes which were not receaued by a common consent to be read and expounded publikelye in the Churche neyther yet serued to prooue any poynte of Christian Religion saue in as much as they had the consent of other scriptures called canonicall to confirme the same or rather whereon they were grounded but as bookes proceeding from godlye men were receaued to be read for the aduauncement and furtherance of the knowledge of the historie and for the instruction of Godly maners Is not this as muche héere as is in anye thing conteyned in these wordes of our bookes article for the vse and credite of the Apocriphall bookes and wherein then for these wordes doeth lye suche grosse and palpable errour as they burthen this article withall for nothing remayneth nowe therein not examined but the enumeration of the bookes themselues which are counted of vs for Canonicall which for Apocryphall And doe not these Articles keepe the same accompte both for the number and for the Bookes of both sortes that all these aforesayde and the verye Geneua translation doth except they will take aduauntaâ—e heerein that where the Geneua calleth Ezra and Nehemiah as Zanchius calleth them the two former of Esdras our article reteyneth still the vsuall calling of them the firste booke of Esdras the seconde booke of Esdras because it treateth also muche of Esdras But I trust that our Bretheren will not in anye wise accounte of that for a grosse and palpable or anye Errour at all considering howe ordinarilye it hath gone by these names and in Ieromes preface hee saythe Neyther let it mooue anye bodye that one booke is of vs set foorth nor let him bee delighted in the dreames of the third and fourth booke Bicause also among the Hebrues the speeches of Esdras and Nehemiah are straightened into one Volume c. As the bookes matter we keepe iust reckoning if their offence be bicause wee counte none Appocryphall in the newe Testament what do wee otherwise than Zanchius doth Than the Geneua Testament doth yea than the Frenche the Heluetian and the Dutch reformed Churches doe and therefore where these grosse errours and palpable shoulde bee in this article they are so grosse and palpable that we can yet neyther see nor feele them When our bretheren can shewe and prooue them I for my parte will by Gods assistance wilfullye defende no knowne errour Now since we cannot find this let vs come to their
at Cabellinum especially in the Counsell that he held at Mentz where the Counsell craueth his ayde and confirmation of such Articles as they had agréed vpon so that he iudge them worthy to be confirmed beséeching him to cause that to be amended that is found to be worthy of amendment Which Counsell also giueth God thanks that he had giuen vnto his Church a Gouernour godly and deuout in his seruice who in his time opening the fountaine of godly wisedome doth continually feede the sheepe of Christ with holy foode instructeth them with diuine knowledge c. And in his Edicts set out not only to the Layty but to the Cleargy he writeth thus Charles by the grace of God King and Gouernour of the Kingdome of Fraunce c. Wherefore I thought good to moue you O yee Pastors of Christes Churches ye leaders of his flocke and cleere lights of the world that ye would trauaile with vigilant care and diligent admonition to guide Gods people through the Pastures of eternall life c. Therefore they are with earnest zeale to be admonished and exhorted yea to be compelled to keepe themselues in a sure faith reasonable continuance within and vnder the rules of the Fathers In the which worke and trauell wit ye right well that our industrie shall workâ— with you For the which cause we haue also addressed vnto you our messengers which by our authoritie shall with you amend and correct those things that are to be amended and therefore we haue also added such Canonicall constitutions as to vs were thought to be most necessarie Let none iudge this to be presumption that we take vpon vs to amend that which is amisse to cut off that which is superfluous For we reade in the bookes of the Kings how the holy King Iosias trauelled in going about the circuits of his Kingdome correcting and admonishing his people to reduce the whole Kingdome vnto the true religion and seruice of God I speake not this to make my selfe equall to him in holinesse but bycause we ought alwayes to follow the examples of the holy Kings and so much as we can we are bound of necessitie to bring the people to follow a vertuous life to the prayse and glory of our Lord Iesus Christ. And so he entreth into his rules exhortatioÌ„s to the B. and Priests how they should guide their Diocesses and Churches both by reading and preaching and the Bishops to sende foorth the Priests to preach It belongeth saith he vnto your office O ye Pastors guides of Gods churches to sende foorth through out your Dioceses Priests to preach vnto the people and to see that they preach rightly and honestly that ye do not suffer new things that are not canonicall but forged of their owne minde not according to the holy scriptures to be preached vnto the people yea you your own selues preach the things that are true and honest and that lead vnto euerlasting life And instruct ye other that they doe the same c. Yea Alcuinus in his preface of his treatise on the trinitie which he being his Chaplaine dedicated vnto this French king being then also made Emperour maketh the Prince to haue so farre authoritie aboue all other ciuill persons in Ecclesiast matters that he calleth him also a Preacher and sayth that he hath as it were a priestly office in these thinges And least sayth he I should seeme not to helpe and further your preaching of the faith I haue directed and dedicated vnto you this booke thinking no gift so conuenient and worthy to be presented vnto you seeing that all knowe this most plainely that the Prince of the people ought of necessitie to know all things and to preach the things that please God Neither doth it pertaine to any man to know better or mo things than it doth to an Emperour whose doctrin ought to profite all the subiects c. All the faithfull haue great cause to reioyce of your godlines seeing that you haue a Priestly power as it is meete so to be in the preaching of Gods worde a perfect knowledge in the Catholike faith and a most holy deuotion to mens saluation This authoritie and interest euen in the chiefest Eccl. matters doth that famous Alcuinus a countriman of our owne acknowledge vnto the Christian Prince And the like doth this Emperours sonne Lewes take vppon him and it was yéelded vnto him both in the Councell that he called at Aquisgraue in Germanie and afterwarde in Italy at Ticinum where hee giuing in charge to the Bishops and Councel to consult among other matters concerning the conuersation of the Bishops the Priestes and other Eccl. persons of their doctrine and preaching to the people of writing out of bookes c. He concludeth I am very much desirous to knowe and couet to reforme them according to Gods will and your holy aduise in such sort that neither I bee founde reproueable in the sight of God neither you nor the people incurre the wrathfull indignation of God for these things How this may be searched found out brought to perfection that I committe to be treated on by you and so to be declared vnto me The lesser matters which in generall touch all but that touch some in speciall and neede reformation I will that yee make enquirie also of them and make relation thereof vnto me Whereby we sée that these Princeâ— had the chiefe authoritie in those Councelles and both made Ecclesiasticall lawes them selues with the Bishops aduise and counsell and also all the Bishops decrées and determinations depended on the Princes ratifying This then was the order and not that onely which our Brethren here say we read to be obserued by the Christian Kings of France And euen as much do we read to be obserued by the Christian kings of Spayne by whose authoritie the first second third Councell at Brachara were called and many pointes for doctrine and discipline disposed After whom Richaredus commaunded a Councel to be assembled and holden at Toledo where the king sitting among the Bishops deâ—lareth vnto them how he called them together that he might by the common consultation in the Synode repayre and make a newe forme of Eccl. discipline which had bin long time hindred by Arianisme The which impedimeÌ„t sayth he it hath pleased God to put away by my meanes whereupon he exhorteth them to giue God thankes for his so doing and admonisheth them before they enter into the consultation to fast and pray to God that he would vouchsafe to open vnto them a true order of discipline And so after a thrée dayes fast appointed vnto them the Synode beginning to enter into consultation the king commeth in with his Queene and nobles and sitteth amongest them and causeth the confession of his faith which he had written and subscribed with his and the Quéenes hands to be publikely reade before them
but both hinder and ouerthrow their brethrens building yea they contrary and hinder their owne building And most fainâ— would we haue them leaue this straunge manner of building but not vtterly to leaue all manner of building but to ioyne with vs whome they confesse to be their brethren that we build on the rocke also and for al materiall parts and substance of the building they say they agrée with vs. And we builded and builded well before they began or were able to lay a stone or temper morter to this building Thus did not any of these Hammonits Arabies or those of Asshod or Sanballat who being no â—rethren minded not the the building should go foreward at al but cleane to ouerthrow it for al that they pretended building with them And if we might liken any aliens from the common weale of Israel to these our brethren in this dooing Doe not they themselues play the like partes For whereas wée before they came in and troubled vs were building of the Church as well as we coulde they mocke at our building as at a wall that a foxe could destroy Yea and I would wish our brethren take good héed that they may not be iustly charged with some spice of sedition for they may rightly be challenged for contempt of good lawes and procedings though we burden them not like to that accusation of Sanballat For he burdened the Iewes wrongfully and as the Iewes were free in building the temple from those accusations wherwith he fasly charged them of sedition and contempt of good lawes because they had sufficient authority of the Prince so to do in like manner haue we the Princes establishment for this our manner of building which our brethren impugne And therfore they ought to think better héereof least they be iustly charged with that wherwith the Iewes were falsly burdened Whether wee or our brethren imitate those false Prophetes that discouraged the Prince Nehemias from proceeding in his former and lawfull building of the temple we are sory that our brethren should rip it vp they draw so neere that euill practise Vndermining we vse not neither God be praised néede we vse it we go simply and plainely to worke Vndermining is more proper to them that when the walles are builded would cast them downe againe as our brethren by all policies endeauour to ouertourne all the regiment that we haue builded As for theirs which they haue not builded and are but yet laying the plotforme of it we may well stop it but properlie we cannot be saide to vndermine it Reuiling is not our practise would God our brethren vsed it no more then we do reconcilement might be made much the sooner But Leonem ex vnguibus this very Preface doth foretell what we shall expecte in the Learned discourse Some of them indéede haue bene displaced but by their owne demerits and importunity and with griefe to those that haue bene driuen to displace them neither can it be otherwise except we shoulde yéelde vnto them in the matter and authorise them against our selues Their grieuous afflicting we haue already aunswered They are displaced with as much forbearance lenity and as much labouring to winne them as may be Other affliction except vpon great occasions geuen further by them selues they suffer none Neither do we deny some among them although not many to be learned yea in some respects some among them to be godly also Yet neither their learning at leastwise that they haue here shewed is answerable to their vauÌ„t of A learned discourse But their godlines by their leaue in this dealing may be much ameÌ„ded If our brethreÌ„ be so godly learned a ministery where learned they this point of godlinesse not onely to wrest al these examples contrarie to their consciences and the apparant places against vs their brethren to reuile vs as these enemies of the church of God but to hale againste vs these testimonies also of the Prophets that we afflict and plague the Churche with that plague whereby the Priestes may mourne What and would they so faine bring vs in the compasse of such plaguers that they will now â—cknowledge themselues to bee included in the name of Priestes whiche name although néedlesly they shun so much as though it signified a sacriâ—â—cer But indéede if any make the Priests and ministers of the church to â—ourne these doings of our brethren are no small cause thereof and if â—hey impute the cause of the mourning to the lacke of the peoples offeâ—ing who go more about to decrease that little which is employed to the â—riests and Ministers maintenance then our brethren do Although God â—e praised for it we haue not yet bene subiect to that dreadfull spiritual faâ—ine which the Prophet threatned Amos 8.11.12 13. Behold the daies â—ome saith the Lord God that I will send a famine in the land not a famine of â—read nor a thirst for water but of hearing the word of the Lorde And thâ—y shall wander from sea to sea and from the North euen to the East shall they runne to fro to seeke the word of the Lord and shâ—ll not find it In that day sâ—all the farre virgines and the young men perish for thirst This was a feareful threate indéede from the which GOD most gratiously hath preserued vs and hath giuen vs such abundant measure of this spirituall foode of his holie word that I am afraide wee are rather glutted and become so wanton and disdainefull that if we cannot haue it deâ—iuered vnto vs in such manner as our owne lustes desire it and at these and those persons handes onely which is a signe of no great Famine that we may rather feare least for this vnthankefulnesse and all our other abuses of this foode it shaâ—l be taken cleane from vs. And if we haue had any scarsitie in some places by any persons default Let our brethren also take héede here-unto that they haue not much more augmented the cause by these vnnecessarie contentions both driuing away others and making manie to suspect the foode it selfe and by with-drawing themselues through their contempt of the Lawes established from deliuering this foode vnto the people But wee are rather contented to repell these apparant sclanders from our selues than to exasperate our Brethren by laying the same before their owne faces to sée howe here they blemish themselues in séeking thus to deface and discredite vs. But since they say they doe this for the reconciling of vs being Brethren at variance let vs construe it to the best Better are the wounds of a friend then the kisses of a flatterer God graunt that those meanes which they haue here deuised or any other may prooue indéede such a certaine peaceable and reasonable way following that wee may leaue this striuing with our selues and vnite our forces for a couragious setting vpon the common aduersarie Which is that whereas both by bookes
alreadie written and by treatises lately and nowe published it may appeare we seeke that which at the least in the iudgement of all true Christians hath no small probabilitie as wee iudge necessitie of trueth out of the Scriptures it may please her most excellent Maiestie and their honors to appoint on both sides the best learned most godly and moderate men to debate al differences of waight betweene them and vs. So that first vppon sufficient consideration the Questions to be debated be without all ambiguitiâ— set downe the reasons of both sides without all outgoings shortly and plainely deliuered in writing ech to other that after vpon sufficient examination the reasons of both be continually confirmed and resolued till either by the euidence of trueth one partie yeelde vnto the other or the follie and madnesse of those which gaine-say it doe in equal iudgement become manifest in regarde of the contradictions and absurdities where-to they shall be driuen by the force of Gods worde It may appeare we graunt that our brethren haue both alreadie writâ—en bookes now lately published treatises but with what authoritie they could so doe that is another question if it be lawfull authoritie to do it both against lawe and authoritie we may shortly haue other vpon like ensample set out worse matters yea neuer so ill doctrine or matters neuer so much against the state For although they pretende their bookes and treatises to be neuer so good yet ought they not to be published but by good meanes also least if the good meanes be neglected ill thinges in like manner may be published But by what ill meanes soeuer they set out their bookes and treatises yet for the matter of them it may say they appeare we seeke that which at the least in the iudgement of all true Christians hath no small probabilitie as we iudge necessitie of trueth out of the Scriptures Fancie might make a man bowlt branne and thinke it is flower And euen so doe our brethren imagine in this necessitie But when we shall come to the examining of these bookes and treatises yea euen of this their learned discourse compiled in the name of all the faithfull ministers and of all their desires and of all that they say they seeke for we shall finde necessitie of trueth out of the Scriptures in no one thing of all their posâ—tions in controuersie except they vnderstande it so out of the Scriptures that is to say cleane without al scriptures or any necessarie consequence of scriptures And although probability ought not to carrie away the matter yet vpon better suruey thereof we shall finde not so much as any good probability that is grounded on the Scriptures but onely on the méere interpretations and sayings of some the chiefest persons in estimation on their side if at the least they agrée with them and are not caried away by their owne fancies as in the perusing of this learned discourse shall God willing appeare In the meane season sée héere how peremptorie our brethren are in their owne iudgement That which they seeke for is of no probability but as we iudge necessity say they yet they confesse that in the iudgement of all true Christians it is but of probability though saye they it hath no small probability So that they graunt at the least héereby that many if not al true Christians iudge that that which they seeke for hath no necessity of truth out of the Scriptures but hold themselues contented onely with probability For be it small or not small it is but probability of truth out of the Scriptures that they grounde themselues vpon yet think this hindereth not but that they still be al true Christians So that â—hey count them no true Christians in whose iudgement the thinges that our brethren seeke for haue not at the least great probability of trueth out of the Scriptures But if they can allow them to be al true Christians in whose iudgement these things stand but on the vncertainty of probability I trust we shal not léese our Christendome euer a whit the more â—or this but be true Christians yea their selues haue graunted vs euen in â—his Preface that we are their brethren and that we agrée in the substaÌ„ce of religion with them and therfore of necessity if they be true Christians we be true Christians also and yet we openly and constantly anow that the most and greatest of the things that they seeke for haue not at the least any probability of truth out of the Scriptures in our iudgements yea in my iudgement not one of them al any good probability but we al confesse they haue no necessity This therefore was too vnaduisedly and too peremptorily spoken and vpon too great a confidence in their cause as to hazard the truth of our Christianity for not iudging these things to bee at least probable But let the necessity or probability be tried in the debating and weighing of them let vs now sée how they woulde haue them debated and weighed It may please say they her most excellent Maiestie and their honors to appoint on both sides the best learned most godlie and moderate men to debate all differences of weight betweene them and vs. This is a good beginning that they will yéelde to her most excellent Maiestie and their honours yet at the least thus much if they woulde stande to this but when it shall come to the debating wayghing or determining they giue her Maiestie and their honours no authoritie at al. Yea they haue their selues alreadie debated weighed iudged determined and prescribed these thinges and that for necessitie in their iudgements before they come to this conference as shal also appeare by these their learned discourses and is it likely they will yéelde and reuoke this their principles set foorth in print and diuulged to all the worlde by our reasoning afterwarde with them howesoeuer by reasoning we should euict them Had it not béene better not to haue vaunted thus before hande on such necessitie and prescription But they say The best learned most godlie and moderate men on both sides should be appointed to debate al differences of weight betweene them and vs. For their partes they so glorie both of their learning and godlines that they giue this booke two titles in the one for godlinesse and moderatenesse A declaration of the desires of the faithfull ministers not prescribing but moderatly desiring in the other for their learning A learned discourse of Ecclesiasticall gouernment Thus haue they set foorth themselues for these vertues But thankes be to God that they graunt yet some of our side to be also both learned godly and moderate men What the learning is of many God be praysed on our side let the learned iudge Moderation is more easily discerned as the Apostle saieth Phil. 4.5 Let your moderate or patient minde be knowen to all men But since our brethren