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A66481 The judgment of the foreign reformed churches concerning the rites and offices of the Church of England shewing there is no necessity of alterations : in a letter to a member of the House of Commons. Willes, John, 1646 or 7-1700. 1690 (1690) Wing W2807; ESTC R8187 45,548 70

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necessity_n of_o they_o and_o particular_o in_o ep._n 24._o reckon_v they_o among_o the_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n that_o bound_v the_o conscience_n and_o epist_n 8._o to_o the_o bishop_n of_o london_n that_o infant_n be_v baptise_a in_o the_o public_a congregation_n with_o a_o set_a form_n of_o prayer_n that_o there_o be_v godfather_n to_o engage_v fortheir_o christian_n education_n etc._n etc._n these_o be_v plain_a and_o honest_a rite_n such_o as_o give_v no_o occasion_n to_o superstition_n and_o who_o be_v there_o that_o dare_v condemn_v they_o in_o the_o law_n of_o the_o church_n of_o geneva_n sect._n 38._o the_o name_n of_o the_o infant_n and_o godfather_n must_v be_v register_v by_o the_o minister_n this_o be_v heretofore_o enjojn_v by_o the_o archbishop_n of_o canterbury_n in_o his_o diocese_n and_o i_o have_v see_v some_o register_n in_o that_o diocese_n whereby_o it_o appear_v that_o injunction_n be_v observe_v for_o some_o time_n sect._n 39_o none_o be_v to_o be_v godfather_n but_o the_o faithful_a and_o those_o of_o our_o confession_n sect._n 40._o they_o that_o be_v suspend_v from_o the_o lord_n supper_n must_v not_o be_v godfather_n in_o the_o discipline_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n of_o france_n chap._n 11._o sect._n 7._o though_o we_o have_v no_o express_a commandment_n of_o the_o lord_n for_o godfather_n and_o godmother_n in_o baptism_n yet_o because_o the_o custom_n be_v ancient_a and_o introduce_v for_o a_o good_a end_n those_o that_o will_v not_o follow_v so_o good_a a_o example_n but_o present_v their_o infant_n themselves_o shall_v be_v earnest_o exhort_v not_o to_o be_v contentious_a but_o to_o behave_v themselves_o according_a to_o this_o ancient_a custom_n which_o be_v good_a and_o profitable_a sect._n 12_o the_o minister_n shall_v diligent_o admonish_v the_o godfather_n and_o godmother_n to_o consider_v the_o promise_n they_o have_v make_v at_o the_o celebration_n of_o baptism_n etc._n etc._n and_o to_o this_o agree_v the_o 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des_fw-fr anciens_fw-fr chietiens_n a._n d._n 1678_o and_o p._n 208._o he_o thus_o write_v l'usage_n des_fw-fr parriens_fw-la etc._n etc._n i._n e._n the_o use_n of_o godfather_n and_o godmother_n to_o present_a child_n in_o baptism_n be_v very_o ancient_a tertullian_n make_v mention_n of_o they_o in_o his_o book_n of_o baptism_n chap._n 18._o st._n austin_n in_o his_o 23d_o epistle_n the_o pretend_a deny_v the_o areopagite_n who_o tell_v we_o that_o they_o be_v of_o apostolic_a institution_n gregory_n the_o one_a in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o sacrament_n caesarius_n of_o arles_n in_o his_o 12_o homily_n the_o sixthcanon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o mets._n a._n d._n 888._o and_o indeed_o the_o subject_n of_o that_o whole_a book_n be_v to_o justify_v their_o discipline_n from_o the_o antiquity_n of_o it_o and_o agreement_n with_o the_o primitive_a church_n i_o therefore_o mention_v this_o because_o argument_n of_o this_o nature_n be_v so_o very_a much_o slight_v by_o our_o own_o 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use_v in_o the_o dutch_a rohemian_a and_o all_o the_o