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thoâ—â—e_v tom_n 3._o q._n 83._o this_o 220._o art_n 1._o c._n 3._o 3._o cornelius_n à _fw-la lapide_fw-la in_o heb._n 7._o 28._o 28._o sacrificium_fw-la verum_fw-la &_o real_a veram_fw-la &_o realem_fw-la occisionem_fw-la exigit_fw-la bell._n de_fw-fr missa_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 27._o denique_fw-la vel_fw-la in_o missa_fw-la missa_fw-la ibid._n ibid._n sess._n 13._o the_o eucharist_n cap._n 4._o 4._o sess._n 13._o cap._n 2._o 2._o luke_n 11._o 27_o 28._o 28._o in_o canone_o missae_fw-la missae_fw-la ep._n 7._o ad_fw-la bohemos_n bohemos_n in_o aquin_n par_fw-fr 3._o qu._n 80._o art_n 8._o 8._o artic._n lovan_n 15._o 15._o in_o 3._o thomae_fw-la qu._n 75._o art_n 1._o 1._o contra_fw-la captiv_n babyl_n cap._n 10._o 10._o in_o 4._o sentent_fw-fr qu._n 6._o light_v f._n f._n in_o 4._o distinc._n 11._o q_o 4._o art_n 14._o 14._o in_o 4._o q._n 6._o 6._o loc._n come_v l_o 3_o c._n 3._o 3._o tom._n 3._o in_o 3._o this_fw-mi 180._o c._n 5._o 5._o traitiè_fw-fr p._n 793._o 793._o de_fw-fr euchar._n l._n 3._o c._n 23._o 23._o artic._n lovan_n 13._o 13._o repet_n 3._o c._n 3._o 3._o in_o tom._n 3._o this_fw-mi 60._o sect_n 2._o 2._o de_fw-fr eucharistia_n l._n 1._o c._n 11._o 11._o bel._n de_fw-fr euch._n l._n 1._o c._n 11._o 11._o de_fw-fr euch._n l._n 1._o c._n 11._o ad_fw-la quartam_fw-la dico_fw-la dico_fw-la de_fw-fr eucharist_n l._n 3._o c._n 19_o 19_o bellarm._n de_fw-fr eucharist_n l._n 3._o c._n 19_o 19_o 1_o place_v de_fw-fr la_fw-fr mess_n mess_n a_o popish_a book_n call_v scripture_n mistake_v p._n 276._o 276._o sum._n qu._n 80._o art_n 3._o 3._o can._n 39_o glossa_fw-la in_o can._n c._n 2._o de_fw-fr consecratione_fw-la consecratione_fw-la bell._n de_fw-fr sacramentis_fw-la in_o genere_fw-la lib._n 1._o c._n 9_o etc._n etc._n 11._o 11._o de_fw-fr invocat_n invocat_n sanct_a lib._n 1._o c._n 18._o 18._o instit._fw-la 1._o book_n book_n beatit_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 8_o sect_n ult_n ult_n quorum_fw-la meritis_fw-la precibusque_fw-la rogamus_fw-la rogamus_fw-la de_fw-fr indulgentiis_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 4._o 4._o in_o martiali_n ann._n 1493._o 1493._o in_o canone_o missae_fw-la sect_n 80._o 80._o in_o 1_o tim._n 2._o this_o 8._o p._n 467._o 467._o concord_n evang._n tom._n 1._o l._n 6._o c._n 11._o 11._o in_o amphitheatro_fw-la honoris_fw-la honoris_fw-la against_o perkins_n of_o image_n image_n de_fw-fr adoratione_n l._n 3._o this_fw-mi 3._o c._n 2._o p_o 455_o &_o 458_o 458_o see_v dallaeus_n de_fw-fr imaginibus_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la lib._n 7._o contra_fw-la celsum_fw-la arnobius_n lib._n 6._o lactant_fw-la l._n 2._o c._n 2._o eusebius_n de_fw-fr preparatione_fw-la evangelicâ_fw-la lib._n 3._o &_o lib._n 4._o in_o praefat._n praefat._n epiphanius_n haeresi_fw-la 97._o per_fw-la totum_fw-la totum_fw-la lib._n 9_o instit._fw-la mor._n c._n 6._o art_n 3._o 3._o in_o thom._n part_n 3._o qu._n 25._o art_n 3._o 3._o tom._n 3._o disp._n 6._o qu._n 11._o punct_a 6._o 6._o enchirid._n p._n 438._o 438._o de_fw-fr imag._n l._n 2._o c._n 21._o prop._n 1._o 1._o vasquez_n de_fw-fr adoratione_n adoratione_n aquila_n symmachus_n theodotion_n sic_fw-la josephus_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d philo_z 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d de_fw-fr adorat_fw-la l._n 2._o des_fw-fr 4._o c._n 2._o 2._o in_o rom._n dis_fw-fr 29._o sect_n primaâ—_n primaâ—_n see_v nullity_n c._n 3._o 3._o bel._n de_fw-fr purgat_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n ult_n ult_n in_o consut_o luther_n art_n 18._o 18._o adv_fw-la harese_n â—…_n 12._o tit_n purgat_fw-la f._n 258._o 258._o in_o locum_fw-la locum_fw-la bell._n de_fw-fr purg._n l._n 2._o c._n 9_o â—_o jam._n vero_fw-la vero_fw-la in_o purgatorio_fw-la animae_fw-la nec_fw-la mereri_fw-la nec_fw-la peccare_fw-la possunt_fw-la bel._n de_fw-fr purg._n l._n 2._o cap._n 2._o animae_fw-la in_o purgatorio_fw-la certae_fw-la sunt_fw-la de_fw-la suâ_fw-la salute_n ibid._n cap._n 4._o 4._o de_fw-fr missâ_fw-la p._n 156._o 156._o council_n trident._n ses_fw-fr 14._o de_fw-la poenitentia_fw-la cap._n 4._o 4._o ibid._n ibid._n ibid._n ibid._n in_o 3._o thom._n cue_n 90._o art_n 1._o sect_n omittimus_fw-la omittimus_fw-la in_o locum_fw-la locum_fw-la relect_a de_fw-fr poenit_fw-la part_n 6._o 6._o scotus_n &_o omnes_fw-la decretorum_fw-la interpretes_n inquit_fw-la maldon_n in_fw-la summâ_fw-la qu._n 18._o art_n 4._o cajet_fw-fr in_o joh._n 20._o 22._o bell._n de_fw-fr poenit_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 4._o 4._o luk_n 18._o 13._o mat._n 9_o 2._o act._n 2._o 38._o &_o 3._o 19_o &_o 22._o 16._o 16._o de_fw-fr poeniteutiâ_fw-la poeniteutiâ_fw-la act._n 9_o 4._o 2_o cor._n 1._o 7._o heb._n 11._o 27._o 27._o act._n 9_o 16._o &_o 14._o 22._o 2_o tim._n 3_o 12._o 12._o tho._n est._n justin_n in_o locum_fw-la locum_fw-la de_fw-fr poenit._n l._n 3._o c._n 3._o 3._o ja_n 3_o partem_fw-la thomae_fw-la qu._n 84._o art_n 3._o 3._o ja_n 3_o partem_fw-la thomae_fw-la qu._n 84._o art_n 3._o 3._o bell_n de_fw-fr indulg_n l._n 1._o c._n 13._o 13._o council_n trident._n de_fw-fr poenitentia_fw-la poenitentia_fw-la cap._n 11._o can_n 32._o 32._o de_fw-fr justificat_fw-la l._n 5._o cap._n 16._o &_o 17._o 17._o de_fw-fr justif_a l._n 5._o c_o 3_o 3_o in_o explic_a artic_a lovan_n tom._n 2_o art_n 9_o 9_o ibid._n art_n 8._o 8._o in_o 1._o secundae_fw-la tom_n 2._o this_o 214._o 214._o de_fw-fr justif._n l._n 5._o c._n 17._o 17._o ubi_fw-la supr_n supr_n lib._n 5._o cap._n 17._o 17._o de_fw-fr justif._n lib._n 5._o cap._n 19_o 19_o bell._n de_fw-fr justif._n l._n 5._o c._n 5._o sect_n quart_n quart_n job_n 9_o 2._o 2._o psal._n 130._o 2._o 2._o 1_o cor._n 4._o 4._o 4._o de_fw-fr justiff_n l._n 1._o c._n 19_o 19_o in_o manuali_fw-la de_fw-la communione_fw-la sub_fw-la utraque_fw-la specie_fw-la specie_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d orig._n contrac_fw-la elsum_fw-la lib._n 8._o 8._o quoniam_fw-la in_o plerisque_fw-la partibus_fw-la intra_fw-la candem_fw-la civitatem_fw-la &_o dioecesin_fw-la permixti_fw-la sunt_fw-la populi_fw-la diversarum_fw-la linguarum_fw-la habentes_fw-la sub_fw-la una_fw-la 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