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A19178 A reply to Dr. Mortons generall Defence of three nocent [sic] ceremonies viz. the surplice, crosse in baptisme, and kneeling at the receiving of the sacramentall elements of bread and wine. Ames, William, 1576-1633.; Calderwood, David, 1575-1650, attributed name. 1622 (1622) STC 559; ESTC S100126 108,813 126

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into_o the_o church_n without_o those_o condition_n and_o yet_o for_o all_o this_o our_o ceremony_n in_o this_o chief_a point_n be_v leave_v destitute_a of_o all_o defence_n if_o therefore_o all_o be_v grant_v which_o the_o defendant_n argumont_n or_o answer_n in_o this_o book_n maintain_v yet_o the_o ceremony_n will_v be_v find_v nocent_a and_o to_o be_v reject_v if_o it_o be_v but_o for_o their_o unprofitablenesse_n according_a to_o that_o of_o basil_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sect_n xvi_o the_o defendant_n here_o undertake_v to_o prove_v that_o god_n in_o the_o scripture_n have_v grant_v a_o general_a licence_n or_o authority_n to_o all_o church_n to_o ordain_v any_o ceremony_n that_o may_v be_v fit_a for_o the_o better_a serve_v of_o god_n but_o what_o if_o this_o be_v grant_v what_o be_v it_o to_o the_o purpose_n what_o make_v it_o for_o our_o ceremony_n in_o controversy_n except_o he_o can_v show_v that_o they_o be_v fit_a for_o the_o better_a serve_v of_o god_n now_o this_o 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five_o can_v be_v give_v by_o all_o this_o it_o may_v appear_v that_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o to_o appoint_v what_o she_o will_v no_o not_o of_o thing_n in_o their_o own_o nature_n indifferent_a and_o say_v they_o be_v in_o order_n or_o for_o order_n but_o only_o to_o order_v those_o thing_n which_o god_n have_v appoint_v thus_o far_o the_o proposition_n or_o first_o part_n of_o my_o syllogism_n the_o assumption_n follow_v but_o to_o appoint_v &_o use_v the_o ceremony_n as_o we_o do_v be_v not_o to_o order_v in_o comely_a manner_n any_o thing_n pertain_v to_o god_n worship_n the_o reason_n be_v because_o order_n require_v not_o the_o institution_n or_o usage_n of_o any_o new_a thing_n but_o only_o the_o right_a place_n and_o dispose_n of_o thing_n which_o be_v former_o institute_v this_o appear_v 1._o by_o the_o notation_n which_o be_v give_v of_o the_o word_n itself_o which_o both_o in_o greek_n &_o latin_n be_v take_v from_o the_o rank_v of_o soldier_n in_o certain_a bound_n &_o limit_n of_o time_n &_o place_n dicebant_fw-la enim_fw-la militibus_fw-la tribuni_fw-la hactenus_fw-la tibi_fw-la licet_fw-la hic_fw-la consist_v eô_o progrediere_fw-la huc_fw-la revertere_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d inde_fw-la ordo_fw-la scalig._n and_o 2_o by_o the_o definition_n which_o be_v give_v thereof_o by_o philosopher_n and_o divine_n tull._n off_o lib._n 1_o eadem_fw-la vis_fw-la videtur_fw-la ordinis_fw-la &_o collocationis_fw-la ordinem_fw-la definiunt_fw-la compositionem_fw-la rerum_fw-la aptis_fw-la &_o accommodatis_fw-la locis_fw-la locum_fw-la autem_fw-la actionis_fw-la opportunitatem_fw-la dicunt_fw-la esse_fw-la temporis_fw-la aug._n the_o civet_n lib._n 15_o cap._n 13_o order_n be_v the_o disposition_n which_o fit_a place_n to_o thing_n equal_a and_o unequal_a id_fw-la est_fw-la when_o thing_n be_v handsome_o rank_v some_o to_o go_v before_o and_o some_o to_o follow_v as_o p._n martyr_n expound_v it_o loc_n come_v cl_o 4_o c._n 5._o 3_o the_o same_o also_o be_v confirm_v by_o our_o divine_n who_o usual_o give_v instance_n of_o order_n do_v infist_n in_o time_n place_n and_o such_o like_a circumstance_n make_v a_o difference_n betwixt_o mystical_a ceremony_n and_o order_n many_o time_n condemn_v the_o one_o and_o allow_v the_o other_o as_o the_o divine_n of_o france_n and_o the_o low_a country_n in_o their_o observation_n on_o the_o harmony_n of_o confession_n sect._n 17_o beza_n ep._n 8._o jun._n in_o bell._n append_v tract_n de_fw-fr cultu_fw-la imaginum_fw-la c._n 7_o n._n 12_o 13_o 14._o 4_o by_o the_o context_n of_o the_o chapter_n viz._n 1_o cor._n 14._o it_o plain_o appear_v that_o order_n be_v oppose_v to_o that_o confusion_n speak_v of_o v_o 33_o and_o therefore_o import_v nothing_o but_o that_o peaceable_a proceed_n whereby_o they_o that_o shall_v speak_v speak_v one_o by_o one_o and_o the_o rest_n attend_v etc._n etc._n v._n 30_o 31._o so_o basil_n expound_v it_o show_v order_n to_o consist_v in_o sort_v 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