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A14357 M. le Hucher minister of Amyens in France compelled to fly from the pure word of holy write; strucke dumme; and made to runne away Vppon the subiect of the B. Sacrament of the altar. By F. Francis Veron of the Society of Iesus, encountring him with the Bible of Geneua only. In the presence of the Duke de Longueuille. VVith a briefe and easie meanes, by which each Catholike may, in like manner, put to flight any minister or sectarie. Sent from Sieur de la Tour one of the sayd Dukes gentlemen, to Sieur de Rotois, gentleman of the Kings game.; Adrian Hucher ministre d'Amyens, mis à l'inquisition des passages de la Bible de Genève. English Véron, François, 1575-1649.; Catcher, Edward, 1584?-1624? 1616 (1616) STC 24675.5; ESTC S107356 29,473 96

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night for respite and to thinke vppon it but the Father denied him he alleaged he was suddainly surprised the other replied that he had had all the night and morning before for his proofe of that consequence It was not neede to take pitty of the Minister for his fellow Sectaries had sufficient cōmiseration of him all of them round about me beganne to change coulour the Elders and Superintendents stood as it were astonished cōfounded You may coniecture easily whether we were ioyfull thereat or no Alas said one the poore Minister wants a Chirurgian to open him a vayne This victory was more notorious by this which followeth The conquerour exacted of the vanquisshed to subscribe to the Acts of this conference according to the accord made between them A lamentable case that the ouercome must subscribe to the actes of his owne condemnation He refused to performe his promisse The Father after many instant vrgings of him in vaine turned towards my Lord and demaunded iustice that the Minister signe according as he had promised The Minister desired fauour beseeching him often that he would not cōmaund him to subscribe after many prayers adding these wordes I know how much it stands me vppon not to signe for if I do so all will be published and the Churches you vnderstand his meaning at least his lamenting voice discouered his intention the poore congregations he should say of the pure reformation will be scandalized therat The Father hauing before desired one of ours to shutt the doore least the Minister should runne away bid him consult with his Elders and Superintendents whether it were expedient to signe the actes or no for which cause drawing them apart it was resolued that he should not signe them I will send you shortly more at large this debate which lasted three quarters of an howre In fine with the consent of the Father they graunted him this fauour that he should not subscribe but with these two conditions the first that he should subscribe the morrow after the second that he should continew the dispute By this refusall to subscribe vnto the Actes it is apparent how notable the victorie was on our parte In the third encounter our Champion gott a third victory but in an other kind will you knowe what The Minister shamefully rann away He was not willing to be laid againe a gasping as before and therfore thought it better not to inter into the listes as I will declare afterward It was giuen out that the Superintendentes had expreslie forbidd him to venture himselfe with him who before had vsed him so vnmercifully for they well saw the confusion like to follow therof to the great detriment of their Churches Your Religious minde makes me presume you take great delight in this chace I will therfore giue you the whole narration But yett before hand I wil shew you a new māner of hunting which though you be most skilfull in that sport is perchance vnknowne vnto you The fashion is speedy with little paines and most effectuall by which practise our Huntsman hath so happily seazed on his pray and by the same I assure my self that euen we whose profession is to be better at our weapon then our penne may chace out of breath any Minister soeuer and make any Sectarie see how grosllie he is abused This I haue compiled as a thing I knowe to be true and wherof I meane to serue my self on all occasions In this Conference I haue had experience of this practise for therein was held no other methode to satisfy your desire who I knowe are curious to learne this new manner of hunting you may read this which followeth the like wherof was sent vnto the Minister as a letter of defiance Read it seriously To me it seemes most efficacious and as easy Wee shall all prooue hunters of these black beastes the Ministers I meane of the pretended Religion I would to God we could so chace away not their persons but their errours that we could purge all France thereof This I now send you laid downe at large you shall shortly haue the particulars of the conference aboue mentioned in which you will see it practised A BREEFE AND EASIE meanes by vvhich each one though ignorant of deuinity may by the sole Bible either of Geneua or any other shevv apperently to any Minister hovv farre he is deceaued and to each Caluinist hovv in all and euery point of the pretended reformation he is abused ENCOVNTRING a Minister or anie other Caluinist you shall proceed in this manner You haue in the 31. article of the Cōfession of your faith these words In our dayes in which the estate of the Church was dissolued God hath raised men after an extraordinary manner to repaire of new the Church which was ruinated and desolate Thus you say your Religion comes to reforme our errours In the 5. article are these words The word which is contayned in these bookes he spake of the bookes of Holy Scripture is the rule of all truth containing all that is necessary for the seruice of God and our saluation Neither is it lawfull for men no nor for Angells to adde diminish or change VVhence it followeth that neither Antiquitie nor Customes nor Multitude nor humane wisdome nor Definitions nor Inhibitions nor Proclamations nor Decrees nor Councels nor Reuelations nor Miracles may be opposed to the said holy Scriptures but on the contrarie all thinges ar to be examined ruled and reformed by them These are the wordes of this article So that in the one and the other article mētioned togeather you say that you or your Religion or your Ministers take your choise are raised and sent from God to illuminate vs with the light of truth to shew vs our errours and that by the sole and pure word of God contained in the holy Scripture 1. First I might examine the conditions of these Reformers you thrust vpon vs. And vntill you shew me your letter patents and commission I may iustly refuse to submitt my self to be reformed by you What body politicque will allow the title of Reformour of their Lawes and Customes according to which they haue hitherto proceeded in their gouernment in one who should say he was sent from the King for that purpose but had no Commission to shew for the same Notwithstanding in curtesy I do freely admitt you to the dignity and title of a Reformer am content to be instructed by you in the truth and to be reformed in whatsoeuer I do erre I would know of you 2. According to what rules by what line doth it please you to straighten me to shew my errours and illuminate me with the truth of the Gospell You make me answeare in the 5. article aboue cited that you will do all this according to the pure word of God sett downe in Holie writt laying aside All Antiquity Customes Multitude humane VVisdome Definitions Inhibitions Proclamations Lawes Councels Reuelations Miracles I could
the same pure word This article therfore is of great consequence and with good reason to be beleeued ought to be found in the holy Scripture which if the Ministers should frame in the force of their owne braynes they deserue doubtles to be banished all honest company as men impudently bold which seeke to make the world renounce all things abouesaid for a proposition of their owne inuention and contradict themselues hauing before said they would only carry themselues as the organe of the wholy Scripture Let vs therfore set downe in one line first the article then vnder that the text cited in the margent for proofe thereof Article 5. The vvritten vvord is the rule of all truth or els as you commonly say Nothing is to be beleeued but that vvhich is in the vvritten vvord In the margent of this article you cite 4. textes for proofe of the contents 1. Text. You shall not add any thing to the vvorde vvhich I commaunde nor take any thing from the same Saith Moyses to the people of Israel Deuter. 4. Vers 2. 2. Text. That vvhich I commaund you that shall you doe neither shall you adde any thing nor diminish Deut. 12. Vers 32. Examen Heere is not any worde of the article in these passages for you neyther finde written word nor rule of all truth which are the two termes of the article wherfore this pure word doth not conteine that which the article affirmeth Lett vs weigh it more exactly 1. Moyses spake vnto the Iewes of that only which he ordained to witt of the Iudaicall law and of no other 2. he spake not of the written worde of which alone the article is but vniuersally of the word 3. Albeit he spake vnto Christians and of the only written word haue we increased the bookes of Moyses haue we added ought vnto them 4. Thinke you that the Prophets composing new Scriptures and ioyning them with the bookes of Moyses haue infringed this precept 5. if Moyses forbid to beleeue any thing but that which he ordayned we must neyther beleeue the Psalmes of Dauid nor the other Prophets nor the Ghospell for he ordained not that which these conteyne Perceaue you not how ridiculous a thing it is to alledge this text to verify by the pure word your article which sayth the written word is the rule if all truth The same article is prooued by an other passage Galat. 1. Vers 8. 3. Text. Although vve or an Angell from heauen preach othervvise then that vvhich vve haue preached vnto you be he accursed Examen In this text I neither read written word nor rule of all truth which are the two termes of the article wherefore the text hath not that which the article teacheth Nay it containes not one only word therof come to the examen 1. Is there in the text anie mention of the written word of which onlie we dispute and the article speakes of no other 2. Who knoweth not that the Apocalipse was reuealed and writt after that epistle of S. Paule and yet besides that which S. Paule euangelized it also must be beleeued Or is he which preacheth and beleeueth the Apocalipse accursed Or rather is S. Paule accursed who preached manie things afterward which are not in that epistle to the Galathians who is there of so small capacitie that in the reading of this chapter doth not see that the word otherwise is the same in sense with against The Apostle as it is manifest at the verie opening of the epistle crieth out against those which togeather with the law of Christ would ioyne Circumcision against the doctrine of the Apostles The wordes immediatlie going before make the matter more cleere I maruaile saith he to the Galat 1. Vers 6. 7.8 that leauing him who hath called you vnto the grace of Christ you are so soone transferred vnto an other Ghospell which is not another vnles there be some that trouble you will inuert the Ghospell of Christ But although we or an Angell from heauen preach to you otherwise then that which we haue preached to you be he accursed Is it not euident that S. Paul reiecteth that only which is against that which he had preached Then it is apparent also that this text makes nothing for that which the article contains to witt That the written word is the rule of all truth The last passage cited for the forsaid article is out of the Apocalipse 22. Vers 18. in these wordes 4. Texte I testifie to euerie one hearing the vvordes of the prophecie of this booke If any man shall add to these things God shall adde vppon him the plagues vvritten in this booke And if anie man shall diminish of the vvords of the booke of this prophecy God shall take avvay his part out of the booke of life and out of the holy Citty and of these things that be vvritten in this booke Neither do I reade in this passage written word of the entyre Bible of which only the Article intreats nor rule of all truth wherfore the text sayth not that the pure word of the entire Bible is the rule of all truth as the Article auerreth rather the text consents not in one only terme with the article Examine it 1. Is it not manifest that S. Iohn spake not but of the word conteyned in the Apocalipse which the Ministers will not allowe to be the rule of all truth to what purpose then for proofe of that Article That the pure word of the entire Bible is the rule of all truth do they bring out this text 2. if S. Iohn sayd that nothing must be added to that word of the Apocalipse in this sense and after this Ministerial paraphrase that nothing must be beleeued which is not therin contained then he which should beleeue the Ghospell the Epistles of S. Paul of S. Iohn and others and the old testament should be accursed Where were the Ministers witts thinke you when to proue that nothing must be bleeued but that which is in the Bible they alledged this passage 3. To adde to the Apocalipse is to thrust in somthing as part of that sacred booke doe we doe so What frantik people are your Ministers and you o Caluinists how grossely doth your Confession of fayth abuse you which treats you in such a fashion as if you had not eyes to reade nor iudgment to vnderstand the signification of one pure text How many Ministeriall glosses ar heere wanting to make these textes speake that which this article contaynes Lett vs go on Whence haue you that the bookes of the old and new Testament are holy Scripture how know you that these bookes are Canonicall By the inward persuasion of the holy Ghost so you aunsweare in the 4. article That he makes vs decerne them from other Ecclesiasticall bookes It is not then by the holy Scripture that you know this for your inward persuasion is not the written word Consequently it is false That the pure word is the rule of
but your eyes and skill to reade to see whether that be in the pure word or no. And that your Ministers preach that the Scripture is easie and that euery one there may learne his owne saluation you vnderstand I ame sure signification of English why then finde you not in the pure word that which the Ministers make you beleeue Assure your selues if you find it not it is because it is not there Confront therfore the place cited in the margent of the article with the article and you shall see how egregiously you are mocked And that you may see this more manifestly doe this following Write in one line one article or if it haue many partes one only clause of the same And if you finde any text of Scripture cited for that article or peece therof write in a second line the words of the text cited vnder the other line If you find no text cited as in many places there is not put vnder the first line a cypher for that if there were any text to authorize that article it would be cited This being donne compare the first line with the second If you find in the second line a cypher you are cleerly cosened If you find a text of Scripture see if that being precisely taken without medly of some thing els that is to say you must vnderstande this signifieth or the like containe that article proposed if it do not know that you are deceaued I my self haue paralelled these articles with the textes alledged in the margent take you but the like paines and I will assure you that in steed of the pure word you shall oft tymes finde a cypher other tymes in the text cited you shall not find one worde of the article and in breefe you shall not find there one article or entiere clause of those in Controuersy between vs. Behold how you are deluded ARTICLES OF THE CONFESSION OF FAITH OF the pretended reformed Churchs confronted with the pure word of holy writt Where it is euidently shewed that the textes of Scripture euen in the Geneua Bible cited in the margent of these articles conteine nothing of that which those articles teach against the Catholick faith which is A breefe easy meanes by which euery Caluinist may manifestlie perceaue how he is abused and wherby each Catholicke may shew the same vnto him To saue you the paines deceaued Countrymen which I wished you to take I haue heere confronted the articles of your faith controuerted with the places cited in the margēt after the fashion before sett downe and haue cited these textes according to the Geneua translation Compare them with me beginning at the 24. article In this article these clauses following are sett downe without any text cited in the margent for proof of any of them wherfore in steede of Scripture I wil giue you vnder euery clause for proofe a Cypher Article 24. 1. VVe hold that Purgatory is an Illusion Proofe o. 2. By the abuse and deceipt of Sathan Monasticall vovves vvere introduced Proofe o. 3. Out of the same vvare-hovvse proceeded Pilgrimages Proofe o. 4. Out of the same vvare-hovvse vvas brought in Auricular Confession Proofe o. 5. Out of the same vvare-hovvse sprang Indulgenees Proofe o. 6. Out of the same vvare-hovvse proceeded all other things by vvhich vve thinke to merite grace and saluation Proofe o. 7. VVe reiect all others meanes vvhich men presume to haue to reconcile themselues to God as derogatory from the death and passion of Iesus Christ. Proofe o. 8. It is lavvfull for vs to pray but only according to that forme vvhich God sett dovvne in his vvord Proofe o. In the 31. article you say The estate of the Church in our times vvas interrupted and hath failed that God hath raised some after an extraordinary manner to renevv the same being ruinated and desolate Proofe o. Behold how the Ministers and theyr Confession of faith do abuse you and how often in one only article They promise you not to instruct you but by the holy Scripture and proposing vnto you all these clauses to be beleeued they prooue none of them by any text of Scripture nor bring as much as one place of Scripture for confirmation of them Examine the articles you will finde more then a hundred clauses as well affirmatiues as negatiues for proofe wherof there is no text coated because in deed they haue it not iudge then if you be abused or no. And who I pray you can in equity accuse another vnles he produce some lawe commaunding or prohibiting some thing violated by the party accused Euery accusation commended to be truly an accusation not a calumny must be founded vpon the breach of some lawe and accompanied with it proofes These Reformers doe not only accuse but making themselues iudges doe condemne of Superstitions forgery and high treason against the deuine Maiesty the holy Fathers and vs all besides in those 8. poyntes sett downe and in diuers others which I omitt pronouncing theyr bloody sentence by which they declare both them and vs to be superstitious deceauers instruments of sathan in the promulgations of those diuelish illusions rehearsed This sentence pronounced for execution of the same they haue ouerthrowen our Monasteries prophaned our holy places and set fire on our Churches Of what crime doe they accuse vs do they condemne vs what deuine law doe they prooue to haue ben violated by vs They neyther prooue nor so much as cite any law any letter of holy write against which the holy Fathers we haue offended And yet they accuse vs they condemne vs. Shameles wretches but yet withall impudent liars They promise not to behaue themselues but only as instruments of the holy Scripture and not to propose ought but that And yet they pronounce the eight forsayd sentences without citing one sole passage of the Scripture See o you sectaries how palpably they abuse you But to see this more cleerly and withall to take away from the Ministers all meanes to circumuent you to your vtter ruine Consider with like attention that which ensueth In the 5. article they wold make you beleeue that the pure word which is conteined in the bookes of holy Scripture is the rule of all truth and that nothing must be beleeued but that which is in the pure word This article is of great consequence for reposing and grounding your selues vppon this and not vppon any other thing you reiect all the traditions of the Romane Church you giue your sentences of condemnation against vs you will not allow of neyther Antiquity nor Custome nor Multitude nor Humane wisedome nor Sentences nor Inhibitions nor Edicts nor Lawes nor Councells nor Visions nor Miracles And albeit all these make against your doctrine you make no bones thereof you scorne them all saying that you will nothing but the pure Scripture all the rest proceeds from men subiect vnto errours and that all other things must be examined ruled and reformed according to