and dignity ouer all Churches in all parts of the world and neither by Councell Emperor or such Donation but by old custome and the institution of Christ And the same Church as before still continueth the true Church of Christ I hope it is no offence to agree with it in this as in other questions Chapter 4. All bookes receiued for Scripture by the Roman Church are Canonicall THus hauing by the directions sentence of Protestant writers of so late memory as this present is found out that the Roman Church is the spouse of Christ his true Church and piller of truth whose communion we must embrace followe her directions rest in her judgement liuing dying therein to haue eternal life the only and chiefest happynes which we can seeke or find And that the authority of the chiefe Bishops of that holy Apostolike See hath euer bin so soueraigne chiefe commanding and supreame as these men haue taught vs in the former Chapters we might here by D. Fields censure and aduise confine our selues and vvade no further in so many intricate controuersies of religion But to giue a finall contentment to all curiosities let vs briefly enter into a particuler-like examination of all principall Articles in question And first of Scriptures vvhose authority is either only or chiefest with Protestants D. Couell writeth in these wordes a Couell def of Hook p. 31 The Church of Rome teacheth no bad opinion to affirme that the Scriptures are holy diuine in themselues but so esteemed by vs for the authority of the Church And againe That the Scriptures are true we haue it from the Church And further thus b pag. 32. 33. supr The Church hath foure singuler offices towardes the Scripture First to be of them as it were a faithfull register Secondly to discerue and judge betweene false and adulterate and that which is true and perfect The third to publish and diuulge to proclayme as a cryer the true edict of our Lord him selfe The last is to be an Interpreter and in that following the safest rule to make an vndiuided vnity of the truth vncapable of contradiction to be a most faithfull expositor of his owne meaning And concludeth thus c page 34. supr We say that we are taught to receiue the word of God from the authority of the Church we see her judgement we heare her voice in humility subscribe vnto all this Hitherto be D. Couels wordes for the major proposition of my Syllogisme But the minor or second position that the Roman Church is the true Church of Christ is allowed and proued by Protestants before Therefore this Protestant argument must be thus concluded All bookes which the Church of Rome proposeth for Scriptures the expositions which shee deliuereth c. In humility we must subscribe vnto them receiue them as the word of God from her authority D. Doue referreth the question what bookes be Canonicall Scripture to the two Doctors S. Augustine and S. Hierome His vvordes be these d Doue perswas pag. 15. Catholikes proue them to be Canonicall out of S. Augustine We that they be Apocrypha out of S. Hierome both which Doctors are of no small authority with the Church of Rome and therefore in this we differ no more from them then S. Hierome did from S. Augustine Therefore I hope for many causes Protestants will giue place vnto vs in this question It is knowne S. Augustine in calling was aboue S. Hierome In learning D. Couell telleth you e Cou. against Burg. pag. 3. he was farre the most learned Doctor that euer was or shall be in all likely-hood Thirdly your publike Conference f Conference infr to be after cited hath answered S. Hieromes authority for Catholikes Fourthly S. Augustine speaketh in the name of the whole Church for these bookes his wordes be these g August tom 10. ser 191. We receiue the old and newe Testament in that number of bookes which the authority of the holy Catholike Church hath deliuered And in the place where he deliuereth the Canon of Scriptures as Catholikes nowe doe hee giueth these rules to him that vvould knowe vvhich bee true Scriptures his vvordes bee these h Tom. 3. lib. 2. doct Christ cap. 8. In Canonicall Scriptures let him followe the authority of the most Catholike Churches among which those be which haue deserued to haue Apostolike Sees and to receiue their Epistles And so proceeding too long to be cited concludeth by all his rules that all those bookes vvhich the Roman Church nowe receiueth there remembred by S. Augustine are Canonicall But to be briefe The Protestant Surueyor of the communion booke affirmeth plainely i Suruey of the booke of common prayer pag. 27. 28. 29. 30. 31. that the Protestants of England must approue for Canonicall these bookes with the Roman Church So likewise doe the 22. Preachers of London in their Petition k Petit. of 22. preachers except against homilies and except 4. against the com booke And D. Field is of the same opinion or must be for thus he vvriteth l Field lib. 4. c. 23. pa. 245. The ancient and true beleeuing Iewes before the comming of Christ especially such as liued in Greece and nations out of Iury commonly called Hellenists receiued those bookes for Canonicall Scripture And to vse his vvordes Hence it came to passe that the Iewes deliuered a double Canon of Scripture to the Christian Churches And speaking againe of that volume of the Hellenists he addeth m page 246. These bookes joyned in one volume were translated out of Greeke into Latin and read by them of the Latin Church in that translation And entreating of S. Augustine and the Latin Fathers especially in Africke and the third Carthaginian Councell vvhere this Canon is receiued he vvriteth thus They reckon the bookes of Scripture according as they found them in vse in the Latin Church Then D. Field hath absolutely graunted that in the Latin Church vnder vvhich England is these Scriptures vvere euer esteemed for Canonicall And being translated as he acknowledgeth out of Greeke into Latin this Gretian vvill not easily persvvade but the Greeke Church also first embraced them for he saith thus n page 245. supr The Greeke Iewes or Hellenists deliuered this Canon to the Christian Churches then first to the Greeke Church being in Greece among them and best vnderstanding those Greeke Scriptures before they vvere translated into Latin The Protestant Conference at Hampton-Court entreating of the Protestant exceptions against these Scriptures vseth these wordes o Conference pag. 60. Most of the objections made against those bookes were the old cauils of the Iewes renewed by S. Hierome in his time who was the first that gaue them the name of Apocrypha which opinion vpon Ruffinus his challendge he after a sort disclaimed the rather because a generall offence was taken at his speaches in that kinde Hitherto the censure of that publike
conference vvhereby the ground of Protestants denying these bookes by S. Hieromes opinion as D. Doue hath witnessed is vtterly ouerthrowne D. Couell answereth p Couell against Burges pag. 85. 86. 87. 88. 89. 90. 91. the objections against Burges the Puritan in particuler as Catholikes doe and sheweth that these bookes haue vvithout cause beene accused of faults by Protestants only to denie them to be Canonicall as Catholikes hold He addeth further thus They are most true and might haue there concilement of other Scriptures And againe in these vvordes q Couell supr pag. 87. If Ruffinus be not deceiued they were approued as parts of the old Testament by the Apostles For when S. Hierome write so scornefully of the history of Susanna and the song of the three children he chargeth him therein to haue robbed the treasure of the holy Ghost and diuine instrument which the Apostles deliuered to the Churches And S. Hierome who is not vsually slowe to defend himselfe leaueth that point vnanswered pretending that what he had spoken was not as his owne opinion but what the Iewes objected And for his paines in translating the booke of Iudith vvhich the Protestants denie he giueth this reason because we reade that the Councell of Nice did reckon it in the number of holy Scriptures Hitherto D. Couels vvordes And much like vnto this of Ruffinus he citeth r pag. 76. 77. from S. Augustine S. Cyprian and others temporibus Apostolorum proximis in the next age to the Apostles Objection And if any man shall object against me that ſ Art 6. Syn. Lond. 1562. the sixt Article of the English Protestant religion excepteth against these bookes and leaueth them forth of the Canon of Scriptures t Answere I answere this proueth nothing but to proue their religion to be contradictory and vnpossible to be true For the bookes of Communion and Homilies as before authorized aswell by those Articles as the statute of Queene Elizabeth and the late Protestant Canons receiue cite and practise them for Canonicall Againe that sixt Article is contradictory to it selfe in this point and so of no authority by Protestants themselues for it only approueth for Canonicall Scriptures to vse the wordes of the Article u Articul 6. supr Those Canonicall bookes of the old and newe Testament of whose authority was neuer any doubt in the Church in the name of holy Scriptures these we vnderstand And yet these Protestants doe tell vs x Willet Synops q. 1. of Script pag. 2. 3. edit anno 1594. that all Scriptures haue beene doubted off by one Church or other But to contaynemy selfe vvithin my time of limitation I vvill only cite the Bishop of Winchester he writeth thus y B. Bilson suruey of Christs sufferings pag. 664. The Scriptures themselues were not fully receiued in all places no not in Eusebius time He saith the Epistle of Iames of Iude the second of Peter the second and third of Iohn are contradicted Thè Epistle to the Hebrewes was contradicted the Churches of Syria did not receiue the second Epistle of Peter nor the second and third of Iohn nor the Epistle of Iude nor the Apocalipse the like might be said for the Churches of Arabia Will you hence conclude that these parts of Scripture were not Apostolike or that we neede not receiue them nowe because they were formerly doubted off Hitherto B. Bilsons vvordes By which it both appeareth by Protestants howe their Article doth contradict it selfe And I may conclude vvith the Protestants before that all bookes which the Roman Church receiueth for Scripture be Canonicall and most holy Whereby it is too manifest what a grounded religion that Protestancy is which hath excluded so long time so many bookes of Scripture and so many Articles of faith prayer for the dead patronage of Saints and Angels prayers vnto them and the like And yet would pretend that their religion is only founded vpon the word of God in Scripture Chapter 5. The vulgar Latin translation of Scriptures vsed by the Roman Church is best the English Protestant translations are erroneous NEXT to the Canon and Text of Scriptures let vs entreate of their translations both as they are vsed in the Roman Church and the English Protestants And first concerning the vulgar Latin allowed among Catholikes D. Doue writeth thus a Doue perswasion p. 16 We Protestants graunt it fit that for vniformity in quotations of places in schooles and pulpits one Latin text should be vsed and we can be contented for the antiquity thereof to preferre the old vulgar translation before all other Latin bookes so much we doe yeeld to the Councell of Trent And D. Couell entreating of translations of Scripture against Burges the Puritan answereth in these wordes b Couell against Burges pag. 94. We are ready to confesse whether you vnderstand the Italian or that which goeth vnder the name of S. Hierome that they were vsed anciently in the Church a thousand and three hundred yeares agoe one of them by S. Augustine preferred before all the rest the other highly commended by Beza and that of the vulgar though with Pagnin and Driëdo we thinke it was not S. Hieromes but mixt yet we can be content to say as Isodore doth of it interpretatio eius this translation is to be preferred before others Hitherto his owne wordes And if M. Couell Doue and other Protestants well consider the judgement of the Councell of Trent in this question and the preface to the Bible of Xistus quintus they shall perceiue the intent of the holy Councell being only to approue that Latin translation vsed a thousand and three hundred yeares since in the Church as D. Couell telleth vs when it was in the flourishing and best estate and so to be reuerenced by Protestants judgement before and not to reject either the Greeke in the newe or Hebrewe Text of the old Testament Touching other translations D. Couell writeth c Couel supr pag. 94. No translation whatsoeuer is authenticall Scripture And D. Doue addeth d Doue persw pag. 16. All translations haue many faultes M. Burges in his Apologie writeth thus of the approued English Protestant translation e Burges Apolog pa. 93. in D. Couels answere It is a translation which hath many omissions many additions which some-times obscureth some-times peruerteth the sence being some-time senselesse some-times contrary And D. Couell in his answere acknowledgeth so farre faults in their translation that he requireth a better to be established The 22. Preachers of London write of the translation only in the communion booke in this manner f Petit. of 22. preachers except 11. against the com booke It contayneth in it diuers corrupt translations of Scriptures by leauing out of wordes putting too of wordes peruerting the meaning of the holy Ghost The Suruey of the booke of common prayer addeth g Suruey of the booke of com prayer pag. 160. There be many grosse
Synopsis and Antilogie he reproueth d Parkes sup pag. 7. 10. 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. 24. 25. def of the 3. test sect 16. c. and disalloweth telling vs that in them he deceiueth the world belyeth Bellarmine and Catholike writers And he is as bold with his Majesty calling his sentence e Parkes sup pag. 28. that the Roman Church is our mother Church a foolish conceite and imagination And no meruaile vvhen he is as familiar vvith the holy Scriptures themselues as this Protestant writeth thus f Parkes sup defence of the 1. 2. 3. test He strangely peruerteth belyeth depraueth abuseth much abuseth falsifyeth holy Scriptures M. Ormerod hath vvritten a booke expresly against the Puritans intituling the same the picture of a Puritan condemning them of Idolatry Heresies Schisme And yet to shewe vvhat credit there is in these men and vvhat trust to their doctrine himselfe is so farre a Puritan in judgement and in the maine article vvhich cost the Bishoppe of Winchester such paines that he is not only at defiance with all Fathers g Ormero paganopapist pag. 44. but compareth the Article and beleefe of Christes descending into hell to the fable of Hercules fayned to goe thither and featch from thence Theseus Pyrithous and Cerberus the great Dogge of hell with three heades Next let vs come to M. Middleton in this manner he vvriteth h Middleton Papistomast pag. 40. The credit of men is but a sandy foundation to build vpon And hauing told S. Epiphanius i page 27. that he lost the booke of the Apostles constitutions out of his bosome which he cited haeres 45. He addeth k page 45. I must craue leaue to say of Epiphanius many assertions he counted for heresies which were not heresies many assertions he counted not heresies which are heresies And al this because he condemneth diuers Protestant points of heresie and justifieth the contrary for Catholike doctrine Againe thus of Dionisius the Arëopagite l page 49. Denis his answere is short-heeld ready to fall backe because he teacheth prayer for the dead And where S. Ambrose teacheth the doctrine of transubstantiation M. Middleton telleth vs m page 61. He is guilty of presumptuous and desporate blasphemy He scoffeth n page 64. at S. Chrysostome and teacheth him howe to speake for teaching the doctrine of prayer for the dead And againe he vseth this mocke against him for calling it an Apostolicall Tradition o page 66. Well might Chrysostome say the Apostles knewe what profite redounded to the dead by prayer for them for himselfe knewe not And thus in generall p page 133. The Fathers sometime went beyond the bondes of sobriety in the doctrine of chastity q page 134. The Fathers are not fit judges to determine either of Priests marriage or vowes of chastity And for this doctrine thus he writeth of S. Ambrose r page 135. That man hath the Apostaticall Dragon the Diuell dwelling in him And so he will send Ambrose away with his Quietus est Å¿ page 137 Chrysostome is so hotte in his amplifications that he forgets himselfe t page 138. Chrysostome in his vehemency goeth beyond measure in reprehending and the Christians of his time in their lightnesse went beyond measure in vowing u page 141. The Canons which Epiphanius citeth against Priests marriage are Apocryphall x page 143. He was to partiall affected in this matter y page 144. The ancient Fathers did erre and we dissent from them in some points of doctrine z page 156. Augustine was a most subtile disputer yet a quicke wit soonest falleth into contradiction a page 161. Neither is Hilary howesoeuer the Romish Church hath made him a Saint ouer hastily to be receiued b p. 179. 180. Ireneus Hilary and Epiphanius for defending free will are Pelagian Heretikes It is written against the Bishop of Winchester who in the beginning of this Chapter gaue such reuerence to the Fathers in these wordes by his Puritan opposite c B. Bilsons Suruey p. 84. Al this great shewe of cleauing to the Fathers judgement is but coloured in you For in other points againe we see when they speake not to your liking the case is altered You forsake the ancient and learned Fathers you contemne and dispise them d page 85. You affirme against all the Fathers e 98. You little regard the second doctrine of the Fathers Hitherto the Puritant against the Protestants nowe let vs heare the Protestants against the Puritans This Protestant Bishoppe intituleth one Treatise thus f pa. 98. supr The defendors disdaine of the Fathers Others g p. 274. 275. wrested and leudly falsifyed And againe h Prefa to the King supr They condemns all the Fathers Greeke and Latin 〈◊〉 conspiring against the truth and peruerting the Scriptures This is too much of this distasting matter they vvhich would see more particulers may finde them applyed in my particuler questions hereafter The 10. Chapter or Conclusion of the generall questions or rules in religion WHEREFORE seing vve Catholikes of England are only or principally vrged moued and sollicited by the present Protestant Doctors Diuines and Teachers of this Kingdome to forsake that religion and Church wherein we liue a thing not to be desired by them or effected by vs without instruction of the truth if we were in errour as the Bishop of Durham sufficiently preached a Serm. of the B. of Durbam 19. Mart. 1603. cit K. speach in parl before his Majesty the first day of his first Parliament we earnestly and humbly desire that those miseries vvhich we haue so long hitherto suffered as they be forgiuen by vs so they may be sufficient vnto them which nowe doe teach direct and instruct vs rather to continue our faith and religion as the most certaine secure and ready way of saluation For they haue instructed vs in their latest vvritings that the Church of Rome is the true Church of Christ where saluation is to be had wherein so many Princes Prelates Doctors and of all degrees haue beene glorious Saints The greatest agents for the Pope The crownes and fore-tops of all Popery as M. Middleton b Middleton Papistomass pag. 127. pleaseth to name S. Thomas Aquinas were most renowmed their doctrine excellent and secure That the Catholikes opinion generally receiued of the Popes spirituall preeminence was euer claymed euen from Scripture â—nd practised by the Apostolike Roman See ouer the whole Christian world from the time of S. Peter to these our dayes That all bookes vvhich that Church receiueth for Canonicall Scriptures are most true deliuered for such by the Apostles reuerenced for such in the Church and Protestants objections against them be friuoulous and confuted That the true and best translation of these holy Scriptures with the lawfull supreame and binding exposition of them together vvith Apostolicall Traditions equall in authority to those holy writings the generall Councels and Ancient Holy Learned primatiue Fathers giue absolute testimony that the present Roman Church is that company of holy ones that house-hold of faith that spouse of Christ and Church of the liuing God which is the piller and ground of truth which is so diligently take searched for whose communion we must embrace followe her directions and rest in her judgement And thus much of the first part of Protestants proofes for Catholike religion A PARIS Chez François Gueffier demeurant deuanâ— la College de Cambray M. D. C. VII THE TABLE OF THE FIRST PART OF PROTESTANT PROOFES FOR CATHOlike religion The first part entreating of the generall groundes and authorities for true religion CHAP. 1. The first Chapter teacheth by Protestants the necessity of seeking finding and following the true Church Page 7. Chap. 2. The Roman Church euer was and nowe is this true Church page 8. Chap. 3. The Bishoppe of Rome by Protestants euer was and is supreame head of the true Church page 13. Chap. 4. All those bookes which the Roman Church receiueth for Scripture and Protestants heretofore denyed for such are proued by them to be Canonicall Scriptures page 17. Chap. 5. The vulgar Latin translation of Scriptures vsed of the Roman Church is the best the English Protestant translations are erroneous page 21. Chap. 6. The truest highest authorised interpretation of Scriptures is in the Roman Church and not with Protestants page 23. Chap. 7. Traditions are of equall authority with the Scriptures and proue Catholike religion page 25. Chap. 8. The authority of generall Councels aboue all Protestant rules make for the Catholike Church page 28. Chap. 9. Likewise of the authority of Fathers page 31. Chap. 10. The conclusion of the first part page 37. THE TABLE OR ARGVMENT OF THE second part of Protestant proofes for Catholikes religion and recusancy THE particuler articles of Predestination Iustification Inherent grace Merit and reward of good deedes of keeping the Commandements Free will distinction of Precepts and Counsailes of Veniall and Mortall sinnes of Indulgences reuerence to holy Images reuerence to holy Reliques prayer to Saints and Angels publike Seruice not in the vulgar tongues Church Ceremonies Christes reall presence in the blessed Sacrament Transubstantiation Sacrifice of the Masse single life of Priests vowes of Chastity Purgatory and prayer for the Dead The number of seauen Sacraments their grace ex opere operato and an indâ—lible Character in some Sacraments All which Catholike articles are proued by the testimonies of such English Protestant Doctors and Diuines as haue written since the beginning of his Majesties raigne in England
Church is still the true Church of Christ it contayneth and continueth all thinges necessary to saluation they which liue and die therein may be saued and being the true Church by the z Articul 19. 1562. Couell defen of Hooker pag. 67. ninetenth Article of Protestant religion it must needes be as before is cited a congregation of faithfull men in the which the pure word of God is preached and the Sacraments be duly ministred according to Christes ordinance in all those thinges that of necessity are requisite to the same Then seing according to his Majesties sentence a King-speach in Parliam I acknowledge the Roman Church to be our mother Church And in the publike conference his regall resolution being this b Conference at Hampton pag. 75. That no Church ought further to seperate it selfe from the Church of Rome either in doctrine or ceremony then shee hath departed from her selfe when shee was in her flourishing and best estate and from Christ her Lord and head vvhich by the testimonies before is nothing at al in any necessary question but stil it joyneth vs to Christ both by doctrine and Sacraments in this life and with glory in heauen therefore we may not forsake it in earth Chapter 3. Wherein these Protestants teach the necessity of one supreame spirituall head and commander in the Church of Christ howe S. Peter was this chiefe among the Apostles and after him his successors the Popes of Rome IF vve examine a little further the testimonies of these men whereas some vnchristian sermons and bookes haue heretofore tearmed the Bishop of Rome to be the great Antichrist and seducer of the vvorld vve shall nowe receiue a better doctrine and more religious answere That there euer was and must be one chiefe and supreame spirituall head and commander of the Church of Christ in earth That in the time of the Apostles and among them it vvas S. Peter the first Bishop of Rome And after him the Bishops and Popes of that same Apostolike See therein succeeding in that supreame binding and commanding authority D. Field citeth and approueth this a Field pag. 138. as a generall and infallible rule Ecclesiae salus in summi Sacerdotis dignitate pendet c. The health of the Church dependeth on the dignity of the high Priest whose eminent authority if it be denyed then will be so many Schismes in the Church as there be Priests then of necessity one chief supreame high Priest must be assigned in his judgement And D. Couell entreating of this spirituall and highest Monarchicall regiment and necessity thereof writeth thus b Couell against the plea of the Innocent pag. 106. We easily see that equality doth breede factions and therefore wisemen to suppresse the seedes of dissentions haue made one aboue the rest And that no man should esteeme this as an humane ordinance either prouided by Councels as some Protestants vvould perswade or giuen or graunted by Phocas the Emperor about the yeare of our Lord 607. for Boniface then Pope his successors to vse D. Downames wordes c Downame lib. 1. pag. 4. to be head of the Catholike or vniuersall Church This Protestant authour both testifieth and proueth it to be the institution of Christ himselfe and first among his Apostles of whome he speaketh thus d Couell supr pag. 106. Because in the execution of holy thinges where the persons put in trust are but men discord and disorder vsually doe breake in the wisdome of God thought it necessary that amongst them who for their ministery were equall an inequality for order and superiority to command should be graunted that by this meanes order and vnion should both be preserued in Christes Church Which if it concerne all persons and ages in the Church of Christ as surely it doth the gouernement must not cease with the Apostles And againe hee proueth this spirituall supreamacy to bee perpetuall because novve there is more neede in these times of sinne and dissentions And yet saith he e Couell supr pag. 107. It was the principall meanes to preuent Schismes and dissentions in the primatiue Church when the graces of God were farre more aboundant and eminent then nowe they are nay if the twelue were not like to agree except there had beene one chiefe amongst them for saith Saint Hierome amongst the twelue one was therefore chosen that a chiefe being appointed occasion of dissention might be preuented c. And he disputeth thus against the Puritans f Supr pag. 107. Howe can they thinke that equality would keepe all the Pastors of the world in vnity And adjudgeth this supreame spirituall power so necessary in the Church of God that he addeth Seing that all men may easily erre and that no errours are so dangerous as those which concerne religion the Church should be in a farre worse case then the meanest common-wealth nay almost then a denne of Theeues if it were destitute of meanes either to conuince heresies or to suppresse them Novve it is no great labour to define vvho vvas this chiefe and commander among the Apostles and vvho after that time vvas novve is and must continue Among the twelue Apostles I doe not remember that any Protestant preferreth any other before Saint Peter then Saint Hierome and D. Couell assuring vs that among them one was chiefe vve may conclude it of Saint Peter And this the rather because D. Sutcliffe vvriteth thus g Sutcl subuers pag. 40. Tertullian giueth the keyes only to Peter saying that the Church is built vpon him And thus D. Sutcliffe testifieth for himselfe h Supr pag. 3. Peter preached in no place but he there ordayned Bishoppes and teachers and founded Churches vvhich in his booke against D. Kellison he i Sutcliffe against Kellison pag. 105. maketh an argument of supreamacy D. Field telleth vs from Scripture k Field p. 196 That Christ promised to build his Church vpon Saint Peter Then no Christian vvill doubt except hee vvill doubt of Christes truth and promises but it vvas so performed Concerning the supreamacie of the Church of Rome his Majesty before acknowledgeth it to be our mother Church and it was a rule Kings speach confer sup to all both in doctrine and ceremonies when it was in her flourishing and best estate D. Couell writeth thus l Couell def of Hooker The Church of Rome was the chiefe and only Church M. Ormerod m Ormer pict pap pag. 184. calleth it the eye of the West in vvhich diuision England is and the anker of piety M. Downame graunteth n Downame l. 2. Antich pag. 105. it was a note of a good Christian to cleane vnto the Roman Apostolicall Church And thus both they D. Sutcliffe o Sutcl epist dedicat of subuers and pag. 89. D. Field p Field of the Church c. and the rest doe ordinarily yeeld that it continued vntill the yeare of Christ six hundred and
and D. Field e Field supr acknowledge Heluidius was condemned of heresie and justly for denyall thereof which could not be except to denie the doctrine of true Traditions were to denie the word of God in their judgements Nowe let vs see vvhat Traditions we shall haue approued by Protestants The same Authour maketh this discourse and diuision following f Field lib. ◠cap. 19. First we receiue the number and names of the Authours of bookes diuine and Canonicall as deliuered by Tradition This Tradition we admit the number authours and integrity of the partes of these bookes we receiue as deliuered by Tradition The second kinde of Tradition which we admit is that summary comprehension of the chiefe heades of Christian doctrine contayned in the Creede of the Apostles which was deliuered to the Church as a rule of faith The third is that forme of Christian doctrine and explication of the seuerall partes thereof which the first Christians receiuing of the same Apostles that deliuered to them the Scriptures commended to posterities This may rightly be tearmed a Tradition for that we neede a playne and distinct explication of many thinges which are some-what obscurely contayned in the Scriptures g Field p. 239 The fourth kinde of Tradition is the continued practise of such thinges as neither are contayned in the Scripture expressely nor the example of such practise expressely there deliuered though the groundes reasons and causes of the necessity of such practise he there contayned h p. 239 supr The fift kinde of Traditions comprehendeth such obseruations as in particuler are not commanded in Scripture nor the necessity of them from thence concluded c. Lastly comming to Traditions touching conuersation and manners he preuenteth confuteth the vsuall objections of Protestants about this doctrine in these wordes i Field pag. 241. 242. That the Apostles deliuered many thinges of this nature to the Churches some by way of precept some by way of counsaile and aduise only some to particuler Churches and some to all some to continue but for a time and some to continue for euer we make no doubt And exemplifying that the Lordes day or Sonday is of this kinde he addeth k Field supr pag. 242. And sundry other thinges there are which doubtlesse the Apostles deliuered by Tradition but they are confounded with Ecclesiasticall Traditions as Waldensis aptly noteth that we might the more reuerence the constitutions of the Church and are dispensable by the guides of the Church Hitherto be the wordes of D. Field Then to make ashort reflexion vpon this his doctrine By his first rule of Traditions he must needes graunt vnto vs which I haue proued before at large that althose bookes which the Roman church approueth for Scripture together with the speciall doctrines of prayer for the dead to Angels c. are Traditions For not only D. Field and his rules doe so assure vs but D. Couell l Couell against Burges pag. 87. from the primatiue Church hath told vs that all which we receiue were the treasure of the holy Ghost and diuine instrument which the Apostles deliuered to the Churches Secondly we must of necessity resort to the Roman Church to knowe and learne the forme of Christian doctrine and explication of the seuerall parts thereof and the obscurities of Scriptures For he saith that the Apostles deliuered this as a Tradition to posterities And no posterity of Protestants can be of this posterity because both their priorities posterities denie Traditions Thirdly D. Field must needes seeke for or allowe of many Traditions which he remembreth not and in all equall judgement as many Articles of Catholike religion as we claime by Tradition for in his fourth fift and sixt member of Traditions he euer speaketh m Field pag. 241. 242. of them in the plurall number as thinges obseruations of this sort sundry other and the like And yet he only recounteth baptisme of Infants in the fourth n page 239. The obseruation of Lent in the fift o page 239. and Sonday or the Lordes day in the last If he will say they are confounded with Ecclesiasticall Traditions as he did that men might more reuerence the constitutions of the Church Let them at the last recant their contempt and dislike against them And this the rather because the rules vvhich he assigneth to knowe true Traditions being p Field p. 242 the authority and custome of the Church consent of Fathers or testimony of an Apostlike Church neither doe nor possibly can tell of any Traditions to aduantage Protestants which denie all Traditions So that of necessity both the Traditions and rules to knowe them doe and must belong to the Church Apostolike of Rome being in this question a rule of it selfe as he hath declared Then by the doctrine of D. Field and the Protestants before and nowe to be cited Catholikes may lawfully say with the ancient Fathers with D. Couell q Cou. against Burges pag. 139. 124. 125 and other Protestants That the signe of the Crosse is an Apostolicall constitution and Tradition With D. Couel r pa. 122. sup againe and the ancient Fathers from them that the mixture of water with wine in the Eucharist is an Apostolical Tradition With the Pastors of the Apostolike Churches three hundred Fathers and consent and custome of the Church D. Fields rules for true Traditions in the second Nicen Councell ſ Conc. Nic. 2. That reuerence of Images is an Apostolicall Tradition With S. Chrisostome S. Augustine and S. Epiphanius by D. Fields rules and M. Middletons t Middleton Papistomast pag. 137. 138 47. 45. graunt That sacrifice and prayer for the dead was an Apostolicall Tradition With the ancient Fathers so receiuing from those vvhich vvent before them by graunt also of M. Middleton u pa. 134. sup That vowes of chastity and single life in Priestes is to be obserued by Tradition With the ancient Fathers that Reliques to be reuerenced is a Tradition when M. Willet x Willet Antilog pag. 13. telleth vs that Vigilantius was condemned of heresie for denying it With his Majesty y Conference pag. 13. and the conference with the consent of Fathers Apostolike Churches c. That the particuler and personal absolution from sinne after confession is Apostolicall and a very Godly ordinance With the Protestant z Conference supr pag. 18. Bishop of Winchester antiquity so consenting That baptisme to be ministred by priuate persons in time of necessity is an holy Tradition With his Majesty and the said conference a Conference pag. 35. 36. that Bishops he diuinae ordinationis With the same Protestant conference b Conference pag. 10. 11. and antiquity not only that Confirmation is an Apostolicall Tradition But because it is so joyned by them with Baptisme and hath both a visible signe and grace by the Communion booke c Cōm booke tit Confirmation reuiued that it