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A18004 A discourse Wherein is plainly proued by the order of time and place, that Peter was neuer at Rome. Furthermore, that neither Peter nor the Pope is the head of Christes Church. Also an interpretation vpon the second Epistle of S. Paul to the Thessalonians, the second chapter. Seene and alowed according to the order appointed.; Discourse. Wherein is plainly proved by the order of time and place, that Peter was never at Rome. Carlile, Christopher, d. 1588? 1572 (1572) STC 4655; ESTC S107558 88,721 116

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therfore whatsoeuer the Papistes buylde of Peter * it is soone shaken downe as grounded vpon the sandes If Peter continued full seuē yeares at Antioche in Syria as the Papistes affirme then coulde not hée haue ben at Roome vntill the .iiii. yeare of the Emperour Nero which was .xxvii. yeares after Christes passion By this discourse hée could not haue ben Pope at Roome .xxv. yeares as the Papistes dreame vnlesse that hé had lyued after Nero after Galba after Otho after Vitellius Vespasianus and Titus vnto the tyme of Domitianus as manifestly appereth by their Reignes For Nero reigned .x. yeares after the .iiii. yeares which I haue specified Galba .vii. monethes Otho .iii. monethes Vitellius .viii. monethes which was a yeare a half Vespasianus .x. yeares Titus .ii. yeares So that these .xxv. yeares that Peter should haue ben resident at Rome should haue ●atended too the .ii. yeare of the Emperour Domitianus So that Peter should not haue dyed in the tyme of Nero as the Papistes reporte who affirme with one voyce that Peter was crucefied at Rome with his héeles vpward his head downward the .xxxvii. yeare after Christes passion the .xiiii. yeare of Nero whē as wée haue proued by their own reportes Chronicles Histories Authors that hée lyued .xv. yeares longer euen too the seconde yeare of the Emperour Domitian which was after the passian of Christ lii or liii yeares Hithertoo wée haue proued by the hi●tory and by argument and also by authoritie that Peter was neuer at Roome Now let vs confute their presumptions and obiections They obiect that the olde Authors saee that hée was there I answer that those olde Authors haue no staffe too stick too no scripture no sufficient authoritie not one woorde neyther out of the olde Testament nor of the newe Let vs confute Egesippus out of whom they haue all their fables whereby they woold proue Peter to haue bin at Roome First this fabulous and lying Egesippus is not hée that Eusebius maketh mention of Lib. fourth Cap. 8.22 For hée gathered his books out of the Ghospell ●ecundum Hebraeos Syros hée wrote commentaries wherin hée wrote the doctrine actes of the preaching of the Apostles in an homely simple stile inmanner of an history and did contend erfectually against Heretiques this fabulous Egesippus wrote in Greke Secondly this Author wryteth an highe stile affecteth an other kynd of phrase the other is an homely stile as Hierō noteth This suborned Egesippus wryteth fyue bookes of the destruction of Hierusalem out of Iosephus the other the actes of the church frō the passion of Christ to his own tyme which was after Christes natiuity about .145 yeares Thirdly the trew Egesippus wrote the actes of the preaching and doctrine of the Apostles out of the Ghospell secundum Hebraeos Syros this suborned Egesippus gathered his bookes out of Iosephus neyther doth Hierom nor Eusebius make mention of them Fourthly this Eusebius that wée haue maketh mention of Constantinople vnto the which the citie of Rome was equall in dignitie This was done in the tyme of the Emperoures Gratian and Theodosius in the yeare of Christ as Pantaleon noteth 383. The true Egesippus was about the yeare of Christe 146. and this Councell spoken of in the latter Egesypus was about the yere of Christ 383. so that now it is manifest that this latter Egesippus was 200. yeare and aboue after the former and therefore such a one as serued to set out fables for the mayntenance of the Pope his superstition reade more in Cornelius Gualterus vpon Egesippus and in Vilierius If a man doo well consider those fables that Egesippus writeth lib. 3. c. 2. how that Peter and Simon Magus dyd contende whyther of them should renine Nero his Cosen that was dead and how that if Peter could not doo it hée should dye for it and if Simon could not that Peter could doo it then Simon should suffer death And howe that Peter met Christ at the gates of Rome and asked of Christ Domine quo vadis And how that Christ answered I come ageyne to bée crucified and that Peter returned and was crucified with his héeles vpward It may bée easely cōsidered that hée was one of the Popes friends c. Ireneus in the first chapter of his third booke writeth that Matthewe wrote his Gospell what tyme as Peter and Paule preached the gospell at Rome founded the hurch there If Peter was at Rome at that tyme when Mathewe wrote his Gospell then dyd not hée come to Rome in the second third or fourth yeare of Claudius as the Catholiques reporte For as yit Caligula was aliue and in the third yeare of his Empyre and reigne Matthewe wrote his Gospell Neyther was Paule at Rome in the tyme of Caligula in whose third yeare Matthew wrote his Gospell euen eight yeare after Christes ascension and 41. years after his natiuitie For it was 24. years after Christes deathe before Paule came to Rome Howe could Paule preache at Rome the eyght yeare after Christes ascen●ion when as hée came not to Rome vntill the 24. yeare after Christes ascension Could hée preache at Rome before that hée was there It was the seconde yeare of Nero that Paule came to Rome as shall appeare most manifestly to them that will conferre the 28. of the Actes of the Apostles with the order of tyme with the yeares of the Emperours and with Eusebius in Chronice and Hierome in the lyues of Ecclesiasticall writers Consider whether that Ireneus can make the 3. yeare of Caligula which was the eight yeare after Christes Ascension to bée the second yeare of Nero whiche was the 24. yeare after Christes ascension Nowe if Peter came not to Rome tyll Paule was there or if hée were there with Paule at any tyme then could not Peter bée there tyll the seconde yeare of Nero so that hée was neyther at Rome in the tyme of Caligula who reygned thrée yeare nor in the tyme of Claudius who reygned 14. yeare So that by this order and playne demonstration Ireneus woordes are neyther of force neyther woorthy to bée read much lesse to bée credited Hierome writeth that Peter came to Rome the second yeare of Claudius which is no trewer then this that the same Hierome sayeth that Peter was the prince of the Apostles Was hée the Prince of the Apostles when Paule withstoode and reproued to his face Galat. 2. ver 11. whom Christ called Satan who calleth himselfe but an Elder with the reste 1. Petr. 5. who was sent by the other Apostles Actes 8 Could Peter come to Rome the second yeare of Claudius when as Hierome himselfe in the same place sayeth that first hée went to Antioche where hée was Bishop and from thence hée went and preached to the dispersed Brethren in Ponto Gallatia Cappadocia Asia and Bithinia and then went to Rome the seconde yeare of Claudius and continewed there 25.
the yeare of Christe 913. was Pope and begotte Iohn the .11 Pope of that name in adulterie 54 Iohn the eleuenth in the yeare of Christe 916. kept Theodoca an impudent Harlot This Iohn was rather a warrier then an Apostle as Platina writeth At this tyme holynes fledde from the Popes to the Emperours 55 Iohn the twelfth in the yeare of Christ 934. sonne to Sergius was deposed by Leo the sixt 56 Stephanus the eight in the yéere of Christ 937. was so wounded in a ciuile sedition that hée was ashamed to come abroade all his lyfe tyme. 57 Iohn the 13. in the yeare of Christe 964. gyuen too all mischiefe to dyce cardes games robberies sacrilege fornication and to all other euyll actes from his youth whome Volaterane called a cursed man And Platina Monstrum hominis Hée cutte out the eyes of some of his Cardinalles their tounges their fingers handes noses and members Hée was accused that hée dyd not saye his Matynes and Houres that hée dyd not communicat● in his Masse that hée dyd make Deacons in his stables that hée dyd lye with twoo Sisters that in playing at dyce hée requyred the Deuill too helpe him hée made children Bishoppes hée deflowred Maydes and straungers made Lateranense that holy Pallace a Stewes and brothall house that hée dyd deflowre Stephana his fathers concubyne the Widowe Rayner and the Widowe Anne with her Niece put out his Spirituall fathers eyes hée hunted hée warred hée burned hée brake doores and wyndowes hée dranke and pledged the Deuill with wyne Wherefore hée was deposed and Leo placed But afterwarde his noble concubines caused him too bée restored and Leo deposed Hée ordeyned that the Emperoure should alwayes after that bée crowned of the Pope of Rome A man tooke him with hys wyfe and thrust him through with his dagger Hée made sainct Dunston beyng a Necromancer Archebishoppe of Canterburie 58 Boniface the seuenth in the yeare of christ 973. stale all the Treasure of Saint Peters church and fled too Constantinople and there solde it Hée returned to Rome and with that money payed his creditoures hyred Ruffians and deposed Iohn the .15 whome they had made Pope put out his eyes thrust him in prison where hée dyed miserably 59 Iohn the 16. in the yeare of Christ .983 a priests sonne was hated booth of the clergie and of the Laytie hée gaue all too hys kyndred 60 Syluester the second in the yeare of Christ 997. studied necromancie asked of the Deuill howe long he should be Pope The Diuell aunswered tyll hée should singe Masse at Hierusalem Hée fell sicke in a certeyne place in the church of the holy crosse called Hierusalem and there hearing an horrible noyse of Diuelles as Petrus Premonstratensis reporteth dyed 61 Iohn the 18. in the yeare of christ 1001. appoynted all soule daye perswaded by Odylo an Abbot who heard a pitifull noyse in mount Ethna supposing that there were the Soules departed and that Purgatorie was in that hill of Sicilia 62 Petrus Damianus a Cardinall writeth that Benedict the 8. Pope of that name in the yeare of Christe 1008. dyd appeare after his death sitting on a blacke horse to a Bishoppe one of hys acquayntance which Bishop being astonied with such a spectacle and vision sayde Arte not thou Pope Benedict whom wée know is dead Hée aunswered Sum ille infoelix Benedictus I am that vnhappie Benedict The Bishop aunswered How is it with you O blessed Father Then aunswered the Pope I am gréeuous●ie tormented but there is remedie ynough Goe thy waye and tell my brother Iohn who is nowe Pope that hée cause too be digged vp certein treasure hidden in the ground and gyue it too the poore Hée appeared also to Pope Iohn saying I trust to bée deliuered and woold to god that Odylo that holy Abbot would praye for mée that inuented purgatorie 63 Iohn the 20. of a Laye man was made Pope without any orders in the yeare of Christ 1020. 64 Benedictus the ninth in the yeare of chryst 1032. obteyned his popeshippe by Arte Magique and dyd Sacrifice to Diuelles in woodes and mountaynes and made woomen to followe hym thyther and to loue him by a Sparrowe Hée knewe what was doone in all the world Hée solde hys Popeshippe libris mille quingentis At this tyme came in the name of the Cardinalles This Benedict as hée was coniuring in the wooddes was strangled by the Deuill and after his death was séene of an Hermite in body lyke a Beare in head and tayle lyke an Asse and béeing demaunded how chaunsed it that hée was so transformed hée answered I lyue in this state bycause when I was Pope I liued without reason without Lawe without God. 65 Syluester the thirde in the yeare of Christe 1043. solde hys popeshippe to Gregorie The Cardinalles called this Gregorie a Murtherer Then there were at that selfe same tyme thrée Popes Benedictus was in the pallace Lateranense Syluester and Gregorie and Clement the second was elected the fourth 66 Damasus the second in the yeare of Christ 1048. inuaded by violence and made himselfe Pope by force at what tyme it was lawfull for euery man to aspire by what meanes hée could Quo iure quaque iniuria 67 Victor the seconde in the yeare of Christ 1055. was poysoned drinking in the Lordes Challyce 68 Alexander the second in the yeare of Christe 1062. after hée had ●ought a great battayle commaunded that no laye man should gyue any Benefice 69 Gregorie the seuenth in the yeare of Christ 1069. forbadde any Lay man to possesse Tithes he poysoned sixe or eight Popes hée caried about with him alwayes a booke of Necromancie of the which matter reade Benno at large hée excommunicated the Emperoure and made him to stande thrée dayes without the gate of the citie in a colde winter with his wyfe and his yong Sonne barefooted from morning to night without meat or drinke And when the sayde Emperour desired most humbly at the ende of the thrée dayes aunswer was made to him on this wyse O abhominable Antichrist the Popes holynes hath no leasure too speake with you But notwithstanding on the fourth day his familiare friend and Concubine Mathilda obteyned that hée might come too the Popes presence But neyther would gyue him his crowne ageyne neyther perdon him neyther absolue him from excommunication tyll hée should confirme by writing all his decrées which hée did and notwithstanding would not restore him 70 Calixtus the second in the yeare of Christe 1119. fought a battell with Gregorie the eight Pope of that name ouercame him and did set him vppon a Camell his head too the tayle and so brought him to Rome with such despite 71 Alexander the thirde in the yeare of Christe 1158. instituted that no man should marye his brothers wyfe Hée vsed the Kinge of Englande and the Kinge of Fraunce for