time_n speak_v and_o for_o the_o delay_n occasion_v partly_o by_o the_o difficulty_n of_o the_o work_n and_o partly_o by_o other_o distraction_n &_o want_v of_o necessary_a help_n for_o dispatch_v the_o book_n itself_o unto_o those_o that_o be_v not_o unacquainted_a with_o business_n of_o this_o nature_n will_v give_v reasonable_a satisfaction_n that_o which_o thou_o here_o see_v touch_a class_n and_o synod_n be_v write_v by_o the_o author_n in_o the_o latter_a day_n of_o his_o pilgrimage_n amid_o sundry_a bodily_a weakness_n &_o other_o necessary_a employment_n there_o be_v now_o three_o year_n expire_v since_o he_o rest_v from_o this_o &_o other_o his_o labour_n have_v serve_v the_o will_n of_o god_n in_o his_o own_o age_n &_o enter_v into_o the_o joy_n of_o his_o lord_n be_v warn_v some_o time_n before_o by_o a_o messenger_n of_o death_n to_o desist_v from_o the_o pursuit_n of_o this_o work_n he_o give_v way_n that_o in_o convenient_a time_n as_o i_o be_v able_a i_o shall_v husband_n these_o his_o note_n for_o public_a use_n it_o be_v to_o have_v be_v wish_v that_o his_o own_o eye_n &_o hand_n may_v have_v prevent_v the_o charge_n of_o a_o executor_n herein_o so_o shall_v thou_o have_v have_v this_o work_n far_o more_o complete_a and_o refine_a then_o now_o can_v be_v expect_v but_o the_o almighty_a infinite_a in_o understanding_n to_o who_o belong_v the_o issue_n of_o life_n and_o death_n have_v order_v otherwise_o &_o who_o will_v say_v unto_o he_o what_o do_v thou_o according_a to_o the_o trust_n therefore_o commit_v unto_o i_o i_o do_v now_o at_o length_n set_v forth_o this_o monument_n of_o his_o godly_a &_o painful_a labour_n touch_v this_o weighty_a point_n of_o church-government_n i_o have_v forbear_v as_o much_o as_o may_v be_v to_o interpose_v my_o rude_a pencil_n in_o this_o masterpiece_n the_o liberty_n allow_v unto_o i_o for_o the_o persit_n of_o what_o be_v want_v i_o have_v use_v no_o further_o than_o be_v requisite_a for_o the_o couple_v of_o the_o part_n together_o out_o of_o several_a paper_n write_v at_o several_a time_n &_o for_o the_o fill_n up_o of_o a_o few_o gap_n special_o in_o ch._n 7._o have_v have_v the_o opportunity_n to_o meet_v with_o some_o book_n which_o the_o author_n want_v i_o have_v withal_o add_v a_o small_a supplement_n for_o answer_v unto_o what_o remain_v in_o mr_n cannes_n book_n touch_v this_o point_n according_a to_o the_o first_o edition_n the_o same_o which_o the_o author_n only_o see_v &_o follow_v in_o this_o his_o defence_n and_o thus_o i_o have_v also_o cast_v my_o mite_n into_o this_o treasury_n before_o i_o open_v it_o for_o public_a benefit_n if_o my_o coin_n be_v not_o currant_n let_v not_o that_o prejudice_n the_o rich_a supply_n that_o may_v be_v have_v out_o of_o the_o author_n store_n the_o value_n whereof_o will_v sufficient_o discover_v itself_o unto_o they_o that_o with_o understanding_n &_o unpartial_a mind_n receive_v it_o howbeit_o thou_o be_v allow_v &_o desire_v according_a to_o the_o author_n meaning_n to_o bring_v it_o to_o the_o touchstone_n of_o truth_n to_o the_o law_n &_o to_o the_o testimony_n according_a this_o word_n try_v the_o reason_n on_o both_o side_n and_o hold_v fast_o that_o which_o be_v good_a farewell_n from_o dort_n where_o a_o most_o pregnant_a &_o effectual_a testimony_n have_v be_v give_v for_o the_o needful_a authority_n of_o synod_n with_o which_o testimony_n the_o author_n have_v close_v his_o writing_n touch_v this_o subject_n where_o this_o his_o treatise_n now_o come_v to_o light_v which_o we_o hope_v may_v prove_v useful_a to_o direct_v unto_o the_o like_a remedy_n where_o the_o like_a case_n may_v require_v it_o he_o that_o have_v the_o star_n in_o his_o right_a hand_n so_o guide_v the_o beam_n of_o this_o candle_n now_o set_v upon_o the_o candlestick_n that_o it_o may_v give_v light_n unto_o all_o that_o be_v in_o the_o house_n that_o the_o dark_a corner_n of_o error_n may_v be_v further_o disclose_v &_o the_o lustre_n of_o his_o own_o ordinance_n become_v more_o apparent_a with_o this_o suit_n i_o again_o take_v leave_n request_v thou_o to_o join_v therein_o with_o he_o that_o desire_v to_o be_v thou_o in_o truth_n r._n paget_n the_o first_o part_n of_o this_o treatise_n touch_v the_o power_n of_o a_o particular_a eldership_n chap._n 1._o the_o occasion_n of_o this_o writing_n and_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n whereas_o mr_n ainsworth_n be_v desire_v by_o the_o author_n v._n author_n arrow_n ag_n separ_fw-la f._n 2._o v._n to_o set_v down_o his_o reason_n concern_v whatsoever_o he_o think_v may_v be_v a_o just_a cause_n of_o refuse_v communion_n with_o that_o particular_a congregation_n whereof_o he_o be_v a_o minister_n mr_n ainsw_n in_o his_o answer_n among_o the_o rest_n have_v 5._o have_v ibid._n pag._n 5._o these_o word_n other_o thing_n there_o be_v wherein_o you_o know_v we_o differ_v from_o you_o etc._n etc._n your_o eldership_n sit_v &_o judge_v matter_n apart_o from_o the_o congregation_n etc._n etc._n concern_v which_o particular_a the_o author_n thus_o 33._o thus_o ibid._n p._n 33._o reply_v though_o our_o eldership_n for_o the_o examination_n of_o party_n &_o witness_n and_o for_o their_o consultation_n thereabouts_o do_v sit_v apart_o as_o be_v meet_v yet_o do_v we_o not_o exclude_v or_o debar_v any_o from_o hear_v &_o see_v the_o conviction_n of_o any_o sin_n that_o be_v either_o public_a of_o itself_o or_o persist_v in_o when_o they_o desire_v the_o same_o yea_o we_o ourselves_o have_v oft_o desire_v their_o presence_n to_o behold_v the_o conviction_n admonition_n &_o rebuke_n of_o offender_n and_o further_o before_o any_o sentence_n be_v give_v for_o the_o cut_n off_o of_o any_o offender_n we_o do_v first_o propound_v the_o matter_n unto_o the_o whole_a church_n require_v their_o prayer_n advise_v and_o consent_n without_o which_o never_o yet_o any_o judgement_n of_o excommunication_n have_v be_v execute_v against_o any_o among_o we_o and_o this_o also_o be_v propound_v unto_o they_o by_o divers_a degree_n long_a &_o oft_o before_o any_o pronounce_v of_o sentence_n that_o so_o our_o brethren_n may_v have_v sufficient_a time_n both_o to_o inform_v themselves_o of_o the_o matter_n and_o to_o deliberate_v ripe_o thereof_o etc._n etc._n mr_n ainsworth_n in_o his_o next_o have_v 317._o have_v ibid_fw-la p._n 317._o say_v i_o put_v you_o in_o mind_n that_o you_o have_v not_o as_o yet_o allege_v any_o one_o word_n of_o god_n for_o your_o consistory_n etc._n etc._n the_o author_n put_v he_o in_o mind_n of_o his_o own_o allow_v the_o same_o by_o communicate_v therewith_o in_o some_o measure_n whereof_o he_o have_v be_v tell_v 32._o tell_v ibid._n p._n 32._o before_o &_o whereunto_o he_o answer_v not_o a_o word_n and_o add_v 330._o add_v ibid_fw-la p._n 330._o further_a see_v you_o have_v not_o yet_o answer_v neither_o the_o 18._o the_o exp._n of_o matt._n 18._o first_o nor_o the_o plea._n the_o christian_n plea._n last_o book_n of_o mr_n johnson_n wherein_o he_o have_v write_v against_o your_o popular_a government_n what_o mean_v you_o to_o call_v for_o more_o if_o more_o be_v requisite_a you_o may_v see_v that_o i_o promise_v you_o in_o my_o former_a 33._o former_a arrow_n ag_n sep_n p._n 33._o writing_n that_o when_o i_o shall_v receive_v any_o argument_n from_o you_o to_o prove_v your_o refusal_n of_o communion_n upon_o these_o ground_n that_o i_o will_v then_o give_v further_o answer_v unto_o you_o the_o error_n which_o you_o have_v publish_v in_o your_o animadversion_n for_o the_o maintenance_n of_o your_o popular_a order_n and_o the_o enormity_n which_o in_o that_o order_n be_v commit_v by_o you_o in_o your_o unlawful_a excommunication_n &_o censure_n be_v so_o many_o that_o they_o require_v a_o distinct_a treatise_n for_o the_o refutation_n thereof_o of_o which_o i_o purpose_v to_o say_v more_o hereafter_o as_o occasion_n be_v give_v etc._n etc._n hereupon_o and_o about_o the_o same_o time_n be_v write_v that_o which_o follow_v though_o not_o happy_o all_o that_o be_v intend_v by_o that_o which_o be_v say_v it_o may_v appear_v that_o the_o question_n be_v not_o whether_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n or_o whether_o the_o power_n of_o excommunication_n be_v in_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n or_o whether_o church-government_n ought_v to_o be_v with_o the_o people_n free_a consent_n etc._n etc._n all_o this_o may_v be_v grant_v and_o yet_o the_o point_n in_o controversy_n remain_v undecided_a but_o the_o difference_n be_v about_o the_o execution_n &_o judicial_a exercise_v of_o this_o power_n whether_o every_o offence_n to_o be_v judge_v or_o cause_n to_o be_v determine_v aught_o to_o be_v bring_v to_o the_o multitude_n or_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n and_o they_o to_o give_v their_o voice_n therein_o together_o with_o the_o officer_n of_o
and_o for_o the_o stop_n of_o the_o mouth_n of_o such_o deceiver_n as_o pretend_v they_o be_v send_v by_o the_o apostle_n vers_fw-la 24._o in_o a_o word_n that_o no_o suspicion_n may_v remain_v in_o the_o mind_n of_o the_o people_n as_o if_o paul_n in_o doctrine_n differ_v from_o the_o rest_n answ._n i._n mr_n can_v corrupt_v and_o falsify_v the_o word_n of_o mr_n cartwright_n by_o add_v unto_o they_o this_o word_n only_o though_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n go_v up_o to_o confer_v yet_o the_o word_n of_o mr_n cartw._n be_v not_o only_o they_o go_v up_o to_o confer_v as_o here_o they_o be_v allege_v again_o those_o word_n that_o follow_v which_o mr_n can_v set_v down_o in_o such_o a_o letter_n as_o if_o mr_n cartw._n have_v speak_v word_n for_o word_n in_o such_o manner_n viz._n for_o countenance_n of_o the_o truth_n in_o respect_n of_o man_n and_o for_o the_o stop_n of_o the_o mouth_n of_o such_o deceiver_n as_o pretend_v they_o be_v send_v by_o the_o apostle_n v._n 24._o these_o be_v the_o word_n of_o mr_n robinson_n 199._o robinson_n justif_n of_o sepat_o p._n 199._o verbatim_o &_o take_v out_o of_o his_o writing_n and_o therefore_o ought_v rather_o to_o have_v be_v allege_v in_o his_o name_n then_o in_o mr_n cartwright_n ii_o though_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n go_v up_o for_o such_o end_n as_o be_v here_o propound_v for_o countenance_v of_o the_o truth_n etc._n etc._n yet_o those_o end_n do_v not_o argue_v that_o therefore_o the_o synod_n at_o jerusalem_n do_v not_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a authority_n in_o give_v definitive_a sentence_n touch_v the_o controversy_n bring_v unto_o they_o see_v those_o end_n be_v more_o effectual_o and_o full_o obtain_v thereby_o for_o by_o such_o judicial_a sentence_n the_o truth_n be_v countenance_v before_o man_n and_o the_o mouth_n of_o deceyver_n more_o effectual_o stop_v and_o suspicion_n of_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o apostle_n more_o clear_o take_v away_o iii_o though_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n go_v not_o up_o to_o submit_v their_o judgement_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o apostle_n yet_o this_o hinder_v not_o their_o go_v to_o procure_v that_o the_o judgement_n of_o those_o deceyver_n which_o have_v trouble_v the_o church_n of_o antioch_n and_o likewise_o that_o the_o judgement_n of_o such_o as_o have_v be_v make_v to_o doubt_v by_o they_o may_v be_v submit_v unto_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o apostle_n or_o that_o those_o deceyver_n may_v be_v censure_v by_o the_o synod_n if_o after_o conviction_n they_o shall_v persist_v in_o their_o evil_n iv_o that_o which_o mr_n cartw._n speak_v of_o p._n and_o barn_n not_o submit_v their_o judgement_n unto_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o apostle_n as_o if_o it_o will_v have_v diminish_v the_o authority_n of_o their_o doctrine_n etc._n etc._n be_v to_o be_v understand_v as_o i_o conceive_v as_o speak_v by_o way_n of_o opposition_n to_o the_o rhemist_n and_o other_o papist_n against_o who_o he_o deal_v who_o say_v as_o well_o concern_v paul_n and_o barnabas_n as_o concern_v the_o other_o deceiver_n 15.2_o deceiver_n rhem._n on_o act._n 15.2_o that_o they_o do_v not_o stand_v stiff_o to_o their_o own_o opinion_n on_o either_o side_n but_o condescend_v to_o refer_v the_o whole_a controversy_n and_o the_o determination_n thereof_o to_o the_o apostle_n priest_n or_o ancient_n etc._n etc._n who_o hold_v from_o jerome_n that_o 133_o that_o rainol_n conf._n with_o hart._n c._n 4._o div_o 3._o p._n 133_o paul_n have_v not_o have_v security_n of_o preach_v the_o gospel_n unless_o it_o have_v be_v approve_v by_o the_o sentence_n of_o peter_n and_o of_o the_o rest_n that_o be_v with_o he_o such_o a_o submission_n may_v have_v diminish_v the_o authority_n of_o their_o doctrine_n and_o therefore_o be_v not_o to_o be_v acknowledge_v otherwise_o there_o be_v even_o in_o the_o apostle_n themselves_o a_o lawful_a submission_n unto_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n 1._o peter_n himself_o as_o junius_n well_o 5._o well_o animadv_n in_o bell._n de_fw-fr council_n l._n 2._o c._n 16._o §_o 5._o observe_v judicio_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la subjicitur_fw-la atque_fw-la ad_fw-la cam_fw-la remittitur_fw-la voce_fw-la christi_fw-la jubentis_fw-la dic_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la mat._n 18._o &_o alibi_fw-la that_o be_v he_o be_v subject_v unto_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n &_o send_v unto_o it_o by_o the_o voice_n of_o christ_n command_v tell_v the_o church_n mat._n 18._o &_o elsewhere_o d._n whitaker_n also_o 172._o also_o contro_fw-la de_fw-fr council_n qu._n 5._o c._n 3._o p._n 172._o affirm_v and_o confirm_v the_o same_o thing_n concern_v peter_n and_o why_o may_v it_o not_o be_v say_v of_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n as_o well_o as_o of_o he_o 2._o see_v paul_n and_o barnabas_n be_v certain_a that_o the_o apostle_n do_v agree_v with_o they_o in_o judgement_n and_o can_v not_o err_v in_o their_o sentence_n they_o know_v that_o the_o same_o shall_v not_o diminish_v the_o authority_n of_o their_o doctrine_n but_o rather_o magnify_v and_o illustrate_v the_o same_o i._o can._n iii_o if_o jerusalem_n lie_v northward_o 200_o mile_n from_o antioch_n as_o i_o read_v 96._o read_v itiner_n n._n test_n fol._n 96._o it_o do_v sure_o then_o he_o have_v small_a reason_n to_o bring_v this_o scripture_n as_o the_o ground_n and_o foundation_n of_o the_o classical_a assembly_n yea_o and_o to_o tell_v we_o 88_o we_o pag._n 88_o that_o it_o be_v a_o remarkable_a place_n of_o scripture_n to_o warrant_v the_o exercise_n of_o that_o power_n which_o we_o deny_v and_o a_o little_a after_o this_o one_o allegation_n be_v sufficient_a to_o evince_v the_o falsehood_n of_o their_o assertion_n answ._n i._n he_o mistake_v and_o so_o pervert_v the_o testimony_n of_o the_o author_n who_o he_o allege_v direct_o contrary_a to_o his_o express_a word_n who_o 1635._o who_o itiner_n n.t._n p._n 66._o &_o 82._o edit_n 1624._o &_o p._n 82._o &_o 101._o edit_n 1635._o in_o divers_a place_n of_o this_o book_n as_o be_v to_o be_v see_v in_o the_o several_a edition_n say_v not_o as_o it_o be_v allege_v that_o jerusalem_n lie_v northward_o from_o antioch_n but_o on_o the_o contrary_a that_o antioch_n lie_v northward_o from_o jerusalem_n so_o uncircumspect_a be_v he_o in_o his_o quotation_n ii_o suppose_v it_o have_v be_v write_v in_o his_o author_n so_o as_o he_o allege_v it_o yet_o than_o it_o be_v a_o great_a simplicity_n and_o want_n of_o judgement_n in_o he_o that_o can_v not_o of_o himself_o have_v correct_v such_o a_o manifest_a and_o palpable_a error_n have_v he_o have_v a_o very_a small_a measure_n of_o knowledge_n in_o the_o geographical_a description_n of_o the_o holy_a land_n and_o the_o country_n border_v thereupon_o without_o the_o knowledge_n whereof_o man_n can_v well_o understand_v the_o story_n of_o the_o bible_n there_o be_v so_o many_o reference_n which_o the_o h._n ghost_n have_v unto_o the_o different_a situation_n of_o several_a place_n than_o may_v he_o have_v know_v that_o jerusalem_n lie_v southward_o and_o antioch_n northward_o from_o jerusalem_n for_o 1._o the_o common_a geographer_n etc._n geographer_n cl._n ptol._n asiae_n tab_v 4._o atlas_n merc._n etc._n etc._n old_a and_o new_a of_o all_o sort_n do_v bear_v witness_v hereof_o in_o their_o map_n and_o ordinary_a description_n of_o the_o world_n and_o those_o part_n thereof_o 2._o have_v he_o go_v no_o further_o but_o look_v well_o on_o this_o story_n act._n 15._o where_o the_o messenger_n travel_v from_o antioch_n to_o jerusalem_n be_v say_v in_o their_o way_n to_o pass_v through_o phaenice_n and_o samaria_n he_o may_v have_v observe_v that_o as_o those_o country_n in_o the_o way_n lie_v northward_o from_o jerusalem_n so_o must_v antioch_n also_o from_o whence_o in_o the_o right_a way_n they_o come_v to_o those_o country_n let_v other_o be_v admonish_v hereby_o that_o they_o rash_o follow_v not_o such_o a_o guide_n that_o will_v be_v a_o great_a master_n and_o teacher_n of_o the_o church_n and_o yet_o as_o the_o wise_a man_n note_v know_v not_o the_o way_n to_o the_o city_n eccles_n 10.15_o iii_o i_o do_v willing_o grant_v that_o antioch_n be_v 200_o mile_n from_o jerusalem_n those_o 70_o dutch_a mile_n which_o this_o author_n mention_n according_a to_o common_a account_n make_v 280_o english_a mile_n 80_o more_o than_o mr_n can_n reckon_v now_o the_o further_a that_o antioch_n be_v from_o jerusalem_n the_o strong_a be_v this_o our_o argument_n from_o act._n 15._o the_o great_a pain_n they_o take_v in_o travel_n to_o come_v unto_o another_o superior_a judicatory_a out_o of_o themselves_o do_v argue_v the_o great_a necessity_n of_o synod_n and_o show_v that_o the_o fruit_n expect_v thereby_o be_v the_o more_o precious_a in_o their_o eye_n the_o deputy_n of_o the_o church_n that_o come_v to_o the_o late_a synod_n at_o dort_n from_o geneva_n zurich_n and_o berne_n travel_v further_o than_o these_o antiochian_o do_v and_o of_o old_a
than_o those_o that_o do_v so_o many_o way_n pervert_v his_o meaning_n he_o be_v not_o only_o a_o member_n of_o the_o same_o church_n but_o a_o member_n of_o the_o same_o family_n &_o live_v under_o the_o same_o roof_n with_o i_o where_o we_o have_v continual_a and_o daily_a occasion_n to_o talk_v of_o these_o thing_n and_o at_o that_o time_n when_o mr_n jacob_n publish_v his_o unsound_a writing_n touch_v this_o question_n he_o be_v afterward_o also_o a_o member_n of_o the_o same_o eldership_n and_o by_o office_n sit_v with_o we_o daily_o to_o heat_n and_o judge_v the_o cause_n of_o our_o church_n and_o so_o become_v a_o member_n of_o our_o classical_a combination_n yet_o do_v he_o never_o testify_v against_o the_o unduepower_v of_o the_o classis_fw-la or_o complain_v that_o we_o be_v not_o a_o free_a people_n though_o the_o classis_fw-la exercise_v the_o same_o authority_n then_o as_o now_o it_o do_v yea_o he_o be_v also_o for_o that_o time_n the_o scribe_n of_o our_o consistory_n the_o act_n of_o our_o eldership_n and_o church_n be_v record_v with_o his_o own_o hand_n be_v extant_a to_o show_v his_o agreement_n with_o we_o in_o the_o government_n of_o this_o church_n and_o it_o appear_v hereby_o that_o he_o be_v of_o another_o spirit_n and_o judgement_n than_o mr_n davenp_n who_o have_v publish_v so_o many_o vain_a cavil_v against_o the_o government_n and_o discipline_n of_o these_o reform_a church_n and_o this_o under_o the_o cloak_n &_o pretence_n of_o his_o agreement_n with_o mr_n parker_n yea_o and_o further_o it_o be_v apparent_a that_o the_o knowledge_n and_o experience_n which_o mr_n parker_n get_v by_o this_o his_o live_n here_o in_o communion_n with_o these_o church_n have_v be_v a_o special_a help_n unto_o he_o in_o the_o write_n of_o those_o learned_a treatise_n of_o ecclesiastical_a policy_n which_o for_o the_o substance_n and_o main_n be_v as_o a_o lively_a table_n wherein_o the_o government_n of_o these_o reform_a church_n be_v plain_o portray_v before_o our_o eye_n his_o discourse_n be_v as_o it_o be_v a_o narration_n and_o defence_n of_o their_o practice_n which_o discourse_n may_v yet_o have_v be_v more_o perfect_a have_v he_o live_v to_o finish_v the_o same_o sect_n iv_o his_o allegation_n of_o d._n ames_n examine_v io._n dav_n to_o these_o i_o may_v add_v d._n ames_n in_o that_o which_o he_o write_v in_o his_o latter_a time_n wherein_o the_o answerer_n pretend_v that_o he_o set_v down_o his_o judgement_n more_o wary_o in_o this_o matter_n 5._o casus_fw-la consc_fw-la l._n 4._o c._n 24._o q._n 4._o etc._n etc._n 25._o qu._n 5._o then_o former_o see_v his_o case_n of_o conscience_n the_o 4._o book_n where_o he_o speak_v clear_o of_o this_o power_n as_o essential_o belong_v to_o particular_a church_n answ._n thus_o instead_o of_o argument_n from_o the_o scripture_n for_o the_o confirmation_n of_o his_o cause_n mr_n d._n still_o lead_v we_o from_o one_o man_n testimony_n to_o another_o &_o thither_o i_o be_o force_v to_o follow_v he_o and_o for_o d._n ames_n 1._o i_o may_v just_o testify_v that_o i_o have_v find_v he_o waver_v in_o his_o opinion_n touch_v the_o authority_n of_o synod_n for_o through_o the_o inward_a familiarity_n which_o i_o have_v with_o he_o a_o long_a time_n for_o more_o than_o 20_o year_n together_o while_o he_o live_v in_o these_o country_n have_v oftentimes_o have_v earnest_a conference_n with_o he_o touch_v this_o question_n and_o much_o complain_v of_o the_o wrong_n do_v to_o many_o minister_n by_o that_o book_n entitle_v english_a puritanisme_n which_o he_o have_v translate_v into_o latin_a wherein_o there_o be_v such_o a_o peremptory_a restraint_n of_o all_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n unto_o particular_a congregation_n though_o he_o do_v never_o plain_o retract_v that_o which_o he_o publish_v yet_o he_o show_v himself_o divers_a time_n incline_v to_o a_o change_n of_o his_o judgement_n yea_o &_o sometime_o acknowledge_v that_o synod_n have_v power_n to_o judge_v of_o cause_n and_o by_o their_o sentence_n to_o decree_v the_o excommunication_n of_o such_o as_o have_v deserve_v the_o same_o ii_o for_o his_o writing_n d._n ames_n when_o he_o 1616._o he_o preface_n to_o mr_n par._n book_n de_fw-fr pol._n eccl._n anno_fw-la 1616._o give_v so_o great_a approbation_n of_o mr_n parker_n work_n which_o he_o write_v of_o ecclesiastical_a policy_n wherein_o he_o do_v so_o large_o maintain_v the_o power_n of_o class_n and_o synod_n may_v cause_v the_o reader_n to_o think_v that_o he_o be_v of_o the_o same_o judgement_n with_o he_o see_v he_o give_v such_o general_a allowance_n and_o commendation_n thereof_o without_o any_o exception_n about_o this_o question_n iii_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o in_o none_o of_o his_o latter_a writing_n he_o do_v use_v that_o peremptory_a phrase_n in_o limit_v synod_n or_o church_n combine_v in_o class_n or_o synod_n only_o to_o counsel_n or_o advise_v in_o such_o manner_n as_o be_v do_v in_o that_o 2._o that_o engl._n purit_fw-la c._n 2._o first_o writing_n iu._n and_o more_o particular_o in_o his_o treatise_n of_o divinity_n he_o write_v thus_o of_o particular_a church_n 27._o church_n medulla_n ss_z theol._n l._n 1._o c._n 39_o the_o 27._o that_o as_o their_o communion_n require_v the_o light_n of_o nature_n &_o equity_n of_o rule_n and_o example_n of_o scripture_n do_v teach_v they_o may_v and_o also_o ought_v frequent_o to_o enter_v into_o a_o mutual_a confederation_n and_o consociation_n among_o themselves_o in_o class_n and_o synod_n that_o they_o may_v use_v common_a consent_n and_o mutual_a help_n as_o much_o as_o commodious_o may_v be_v do_v in_o those_o thing_n especial_o which_o be_v of_o great_a moment_n now_o as_o in_o particular_a congregation_n the_o great_a act_n of_o power_n and_o jurisdiction_n which_o be_v exercise_v therein_o receive_v their_o strength_n from_o common_a consent_n and_o do_v consist_v therein_o so_o if_o in_o matter_n of_o great_a weight_n the_o common_a consent_n of_o synod_n be_v to_o be_v use_v then_o be_v a_o power_n and_o authority_n asscribe_v unto_o they_o then_o ought_v not_o particular_a church_n to_o proceed_v without_o and_o against_o the_o authority_n of_o common_a consent_n in_o synod_n and_o that_o mutual_a help_n of_o other_o church_n be_v then_o most_o effectual_a when_o there_o be_v not_o only_o advise_v but_o authority_n also_o to_o confirm_v the_o same_o though_o d.a._n add_v in_o the_o same_o place_n that_o this_o combination_n do_v neither_o constitute_v a_o new_a form_n of_o the_o church_n neither_o aught_o by_o any_o mean_n to_o destroy_v or_o impair_v that_o liberty_n &_o power_n which_o christ_n have_v leave_v unto_o his_o church_n for_o the_o direct_n &_o further_a whereof_o it_o only_o serve_v this_o we_o also_o willing_o grant_v when_o a_o particular_a congregation_n be_v hinder_v &_o stay_v from_o the_o exercise_n of_o their_o authority_n in_o a_o unlawful_a business_n in_o a_o unjust_a excommunication_n or_o election_n their_o liberty_n &_o power_n be_v not_o hereby_o destroy_v or_o take_v away_o but_o rectify_v and_o preserve_v here_o be_v to_o be_v remember_v that_o which_o mr_n par._n as_o be_v note_v before_o say_v upon_o like_a occasion_n when_o some_o object_v that_o the_o church_n of_o the_o village_n in_o the_o netherlands_o want_v the_o power_n of_o excommunication_n he_o reply_v 349._o reply_v pol._n ecc._n l._n 3._o c._n 23._o p._n 349._o imo_fw-la potestas_fw-la excommunicandi_fw-la ordinandi_fw-la &_o jurisdictionis_fw-la caeterae_fw-la illis_fw-la illibata_fw-la relinquitur_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o power_n of_o excommunication_n ordination_n and_o other_o jurisdiction_n remain_v unto_o they_o uncorrupted_a etc._n etc._n though_o they_o do_v not_o proceed_v thereunto_o but_o with_o common_a consent_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la v._o after_o this_o d._n ames_n in_o his_o disputation_n against_o bellarmine_n touch_v synod_n or_o counsel_n do_v sundry_a time_n acknowledge_v that_o they_o have_v more_o authority_n then_o only_o to_o counsel_n and_o advise_v this_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v in_o divers_a pounts_n as_o first_o in_o the_o question_n whether_o the_o great_a prelate_n only_o have_v jus_o suffragii_fw-la decisivi_fw-la the_o right_a or_o authority_n of_o a_o determine_n or_o definitive_a suffrage_n or_o whether_o the_o same_o belong_v unto_o the_o elder_n also_o or_o inferior_a officer_n to_o who_o bellarmine_n allow_v a_o consult_v voice_n but_o not_o a_o definitive_a here_o d._n ames_n according_a to_o the_o receyve_v opinion_n of_o the_o protestant_n 2._o protestant_n bellarm._n enerv_v tom._n 2._o l._n 1._o de_fw-fr conc._n c._n 2._o allow_v unto_o they_o also_o the_o right_n and_o authority_n of_o suffrage_n when_o they_o be_v depute_v and_o send_v as_o the_o delegate_n of_o their_o church_n unto_o synod_n this_o he_o oft_o repeat_v and_o although_o he_o say_v 8._o say_v ibid._n the_o 8._o that_o in_o matter_n of_o faith_n there_o be_v no_o
judgement_n belong_v unto_o man_n but_o of_o inquisition_n discretion_n &_o consultation_n and_o that_o therefore_o that_o whole_a distinction_n betwixt_o person_n define_v and_o consult_v be_v vain_a yet_o it_o be_v manifest_a and_o undeniable_a that_o in_o the_o censure_v of_o heretic_n that_o err_v in_o matter_n of_o faith_n there_o be_v a_o ecclesiastical_a judgement_n belong_v unto_o man_n and_o a_o definitive_a sentence_n to_o be_v pronounce_v against_o such_o the_o matter_n of_o faith_n be_v as_o little_a to_o be_v subject_v or_o submit_v unto_o the_o judgement_n of_o a_o particular_a congregation_n as_o unto_o the_o judgement_n of_o synod_n and_o yet_o heretic_n be_v not_o to_o be_v exempt_v from_o the_o judgement_n and_o censure_n of_o either_o of_o they_o d._n am._n himself_o in_o the_o same_o place_n do_v plain_o acknowledge_v this_o distinction_n betwixt_o consultation_n and_o definitive_a suffrage_n when_o he_o say_v ibiden_v say_v ibiden_v bene_fw-la consulere_fw-la majoris_fw-la est_fw-la virtutis_fw-la quam_fw-la ex_fw-la aliorum_fw-la consilio_fw-la bene_fw-la definire_fw-la quamvis_fw-la hoc_fw-la sit_fw-la majoris_fw-la potestatis_fw-la to_o consult_v well_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o great_a virtue_n then_o from_o other_o man_n counsel_n to_o define_v well_o although_o this_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o great_a authority_n see_v therefore_o he_o confess_v that_o to_o have_v a_o definitive_a voice_n be_v a_o matter_n of_o great_a authority_n then_o to_o counsel_n and_o advise_v and_o see_v withal_o that_o this_o power_n of_o suffrage_n and_o definitive_a voice_n belong_v unto_o the_o deputy_n of_o church_n in_o synod_n and_o that_o by_o his_o confession_n it_o be_v evident_a that_o herein_o he_o asscribe_v more_o power_n unto_o synod_n than_o he_o do_v in_o that_o book_n of_o english_a puritanisme_n again_o in_o the_o question_n whether_o a_o general_n council_n be_v above_o the_o pope_n or_o the_o pope_n above_o the_o council_n although_o d._n am._n in_o handle_v the_o same_o do_v not_o so_o full_o and_o direct_o speak_v against_o bellarmine_n as_o d._n whitaker_n d._n rainolds_n junius_n sibrandus_fw-la lubbertus_n chamierus_n and_o other_o of_o our_o divine_n which_o maintain_v that_o the_o pope_n may_v be_v just_o condemn_v depose_v and_o excommunicate_v by_o a_o general_n synod_n yet_o do_v he_o 7._o he_o ibid._n de_fw-fr conc._n c._n 7._o acknowledge_v the_o council_n or_o synod_n to_o be_v above_o the_o pope_n in_o the_o very_a proposition_n of_o the_o question_n and_o after_o take_v upon_o he_o the_o defence_n of_o the_o argument_n common_o use_v by_o protestant_a divine_n for_o the_o proof_n thereof_o will_v he_o have_v speak_v plain_o according_a to_o the_o position_n set_v down_o in_o that_o book_n of_o engl._n puritan_n &_o according_a to_o mr_n dau._n his_o opinion_n that_o limit_v all_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n unto_o a_o particular_a congregation_n only_o he_o shall_v then_o have_v say_v that_o as_o the_o pope_n have_v no_o power_n over_o a_o general_n council_n so_o neither_o have_v the_o synod_n any_o authority_n over_o the_o pope_n either_o to_o depose_v excommunicate_a or_o any_o way_n to_o censure_v he_o but_o may_v only_o counsel_v and_o advise_v he_o etc._n etc._n &_o he_o shall_v as_o well_o have_v refute_v the_o protestant_n for_o give_v too_o much_o power_n to_o the_o synod_n as_o the_o papist_n for_o give_v too_o much_o power_n to_o the_o pope_n now_o this_o he_o have_v not_o do_v but_o have_v set_v down_o his_o mind_n in_o such_o manner_n that_o neither_o the_o papist_n against_o who_o he_o dispute_v nor_o the_o protestant_n who_o receyve_v opinion_n he_o seem_v to_o maintain_v can_v easy_o observe_v any_o difference_n in_o he_o from_o our_o common_a tenant_n vi_o in_o another_o book_n after_o this_o he_o acknowledge_v 23._o acknowledge_v case_n conscience_n l._n 4._o c._n 29._o q_o 9_o the_o 23._o that_o it_o belong_v unto_o class_n and_o synod_n when_o any_o difficulty_n be_v to_o declare_v by_o common_a counsel_n and_o to_o decree_v who_o ought_v to_o be_v excommunicate_v now_o to_o decree_v a_o excommunication_n be_v a_o act_n of_o power_n whereby_o judicial_a sentence_n be_v determine_v and_o in_o all_o propriety_n of_o speech_n do_v contain_v more_o in_o it_o than_o a_o bare_a counsel_n or_o admonition_n and_o therefore_o herein_o he_o do_v apparent_o give_v unto_o synod_n more_o authority_n then_o only_o to_o counsel_n and_o advise_v and_o thus_o d._n burges_n have_v reason_n to_o understand_v this_o speech_n of_o d._n am._n which_o he_o allege_v and_o approve_v and_o agreeable_o thereunto_o profess_v that_o god_n have_v establish_v the_o use_n of_o ecclesiastical_a synod_n for_o church_n affair_n as_o well_o as_o the_o gather_n of_o church_n 206._o church_n rejoin_v p._n 206._o d._n a._n do_v either_o acknowledge_v the_o authority_n of_o synod_n in_o this_o sentence_n or_o else_o be_v too_o blame_v for_o deceyve_v his_o reader_n with_o ambiguity_n of_o speech_n vii_o in_o his_o 90.91_o his_o fresh_a suit_n ag_n cerem_fw-la p._n 90.91_o last_o book_n which_o he_o write_v immediate_o before_o his_o death_n when_o he_o speak_v of_o representative_a church_n though_o he_o dissalow_v that_o kind_n of_o synod_n or_o convocation_n which_o be_v sometime_o keep_v in_o england_n in_o respect_n of_o hierarchicall_a officer_n and_o in_o respect_n of_o their_o impose_v humane_a ceremony_n yet_o do_v he_o not_o condemn_v the_o synodall_n assembly_n of_o scotland_n before_o perth_n nor_o the_o reform_a church_n of_o france_n which_o have_v their_o association_n and_o combination_n without_o any_o hierarchy_n and_o yet_o it_o be_v undeniable_a &_o most_o certain_a that_o those_o synod_n of_o scotland_n and_o france_n have_v use_v ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n in_o censure_v of_o notorious_a offender_n and_o be_v not_o only_o for_o counsel_n and_o advise_v as_o be_v further_o manifest_v hereafter_o have_v he_o deal_v plain_o and_o answer_v his_o opposite_a full_o he_o shall_v have_v condemn_v the_o assembly_n of_o scotland_n for_o that_o jurisdiction_n which_o according_a to_o mr_n dau._n his_o opinion_n and_o that_o book_n of_o engl._n purit_fw-la they_o unjust_o usurp_v yea_o further_o he_o do_v justify_v those_o synod_n for_o when_o as_o d._n burges_n 206._o burges_n rejoin_v p._n 206._o have_v speak_v of_o such_o ecclesiastical_a synod_n as_o have_v jurisdiction_n and_o authority_n of_o censure_n as_o appear_v by_o his_o oppose_v of_o they_o unto_o other_o synod_n which_o the_o separatist_n and_o mr_n jacob_n do_v allow_v which_o have_v no_o power_n to_o control_v but_o by_o way_n of_o brotherly_a admonition_n d._n am._n in_o his_o reply_n unto_o that_o place_n confess_v that_o d._n burges_n do_v speak_v of_o 183._o of_o fresh_a suit_n p._n 183._o right_a ecclesiastical_a synod_n and_o for_o the_o other_o synod_n of_o mr_n jacob_n &_o the_o separatist_n the_o same_o that_o mr_n dau._n allow_v he_o pass_v away_o from_o they_o and_o say_v not_o a_o word_n in_o their_o defence_n which_o yet_o have_v be_v most_o pertinent_a unto_o the_o question_n viii_o as_o for_o those_o place_n in_o particular_a which_o mr_n dau._n allege_v out_o of_o d._n ames_n his_o case_n of_o conscience_n for_o the_o 4._o the_o case_n consc_fw-la l._n 4._o c._n 24._o q._n 4._o first_o of_o they_o though_o it_o be_v say_v there_o that_o the_o power_n of_o remove_v scandal_n and_o exclude_v the_o wicked_a for_o the_o right_a thereof_o and_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o first_o act_n can_v be_v separate_v from_o a_o true_a church_n because_o it_o flow_v immediate_o &_o necessary_o from_o the_o essence_n thereof_o etc._n etc._n this_o be_v not_o against_o we_o for_o 1._o when_o synod_n judge_v the_o cause_n of_o particular_a church_n they_o do_v not_o take_v away_o their_o power_n but_o only_o restrain_v and_o correct_v the_o abuse_n of_o their_o power_n the_o authority_n of_o particular_a church_n be_v not_o separate_v from_o they_o but_o the_o corruption_n or_o fault_n that_o appear_v in_o the_o exercise_n of_o their_o authority_n they_o be_v still_o permit_v to_o use_v their_o authority_n and_o judgement_n in_o censure_n election_n etc._n etc._n when_o the_o synod_n perceive_v that_o they_o do_v not_o go_v astray_o therein_o 2._o though_o there_o be_v a_o stream_n of_o authority_n flow_v immediate_o from_o the_o prime_a church_n this_o hinder_v not_o but_o help_v and_o further_v the_o authority_n of_o synod_n unto_o which_o that_o power_n by_o delegation_n be_v immediate_o derive_v and_o therefore_o as_o there_o be_v a_o fountain_n of_o authority_n spring_v out_o of_o a_o particular_a congregation_n so_o there_o be_v a_o sea_n of_o authority_n in_o the_o synod_n where_o the_o water_n of_o so_o many_o fountain_n and_o the_o authority_n of_o so_o many_o church_n do_v concur_v and_o meet_v together_o as_o for_o that_o other_o place_n case_n conscience_n l._n 4._o c._n 25._o it_o be_v answer_v hereafter_o in_o the_o allegation_n that_o be_v take_v from_o d
occasion_n of_o the_o dissension_n iv_o it_o appear_v that_o the_o primitive_a church_n at_o their_o first_o constitution_n by_o the_o apostle_n be_v not_o independent_a body_n in_o a_o special_a respect_n more_o than_o any_o in_o our_o time_n because_o they_o be_v then_o subject_a to_o the_o extraordinary_a government_n by_o apostle_n and_o evangelist_n who_o beside_o that_o which_o they_o do_v in_o ordinary_a course_n of_o judgement_n with_o the_o church_n concurrence_n as_o 1._o cor._n 5._o have_v also_o of_o themselves_o extraordinary_a authority_n and_o power_n grant_v unto_o they_o over_o all_o church_n for_o the_o correct_v of_o the_o wicked_a therein_o as_o appear_v 1._o cor._n 4.21_o 2._o cor._n 10.2_o 3_o 6_o 8_o 10._o act._n 5.9_o 10._o 3._o joh._n 10._o reas._n ix_o 77._o ix_o churc_n plea_n p._n 77._o by_o the_o title_n give_v to_o all_o particular_a congregation_n it_o appear_v evident_o that_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n be_v or_o at_o least_o ought_v to_o be_v in_o every_o one_o of_o they_o distinct_o whole_o entire_o viz._n a_o kingdom_n matt._n 3.2_o a_o family_n eph._n 2.19_o a_o body_n 1._o cor._n 12.20_o a_o queen_n psal_n 45._o etc._n etc._n for_o what_o more_o senseless_a then_o to_o say_v a_o kingdom_n or_o family_n stand_v under_o another_o political_a or_o economical_a government_n out_o of_o themselves_o a_o body_n have_v all_o part_n &_o member_n &_o yet_o may_v neither_o receive_v in_o nor_o put_v out_o without_o another_o leave_n and_o consent_n many_o such_o absurdity_n follow_v mr_n paget_n lately-devised_n tenet_n answ._n i._n that_o which_o seem_v senseless_a and_o absurd_a unto_o the_o transcendent_a understanding_n of_o mr_n can._n and_o w._n be._n be_v not_o withstand_v find_v reasonable_a in_o the_o judgement_n of_o sober_a man_n as_o for_o king_n and_o their_o kingdom_n we_o see_v in_o the_o story_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n that_o the_o three_o king-herods_n and_o the_o four_o king_n agrippa_n both_o they_o and_o their_o kingdom_n do_v stand_v under_o another_o political_a government_n under_o the_o roman_a empire_n under_o the_o authority_n of_o caesar_n to_o who_o they_o pay_v tribute_n mat._n 2._o &_o 14._o &_o act._n 12._o &_o 25._o &_o 26._o with_o luk._n 2.1_o matt._n 22.21_o john_n 19.12_o 15._o and_o in_o the_o old_a testament_n we_o read_v that_o zedekias_n king_n of_o judah_n stand_v under_o the_o political_a government_n of_o the_o king_n of_o babel_n jerem._n 27.12_o 2._o chron._n 36.13_o and_o other_o story_n show_v that_o this_o be_v no_o strange_a thing_n the_o king_n and_o kingdom_n of_o bohemia_n and_o hungary_n at_o this_o day_n stand_v under_o the_o command_n of_o the_o emperor_n as_o for_o family_n and_o their_o economical_a government_n in_o regard_n of_o that_o obedience_n which_o child_n owe_v to_o their_o parent_n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o five_o commandment_n honour_v thy_o father_n and_o thy_o mother_n exo._n 20.12_o inferior_a family_n owe_v subjection_n unto_o superior_a those_o family_n that_o descend_v from_o adam_n for_o six_o or_o seven_o generation_n together_o and_o those_o family_n that_o descend_v of_o noah_n shem_o arpacshad_fw-mi shelah_n and_o eber_n though_o in_o their_o habitation_n they_o be_v divide_v after_o the_o flood_n do_v yet_o owe_v subjection_n unto_o these_o father_n and_o grandfather_n and_o in_o matter_n of_o great_a moment_n and_o controversy_n concern_v their_o family_n as_o about_o family-worship_n marriage_n and_o the_o like_a they_o be_v bind_v to_o submit_v unto_o their_o censure_n and_o determination_n in_o the_o lord_n those_o five_o patriarch_n be_v then_o all_o alive_a in_o those_o corrupt_a time_n after_o the_o confusion_n of_o language_n gen._n 11._o as_o for_o the_o body_n of_o man_n it_o be_v not_o unreasonable_a or_o absurd_a to_o think_v that_o the_o member_n of_o any_o man_n body_n shall_v not_o be_v cut_v off_o at_o his_o own_o will_n without_o the_o consent_n and_o approbation_n of_o sundry_a experience_a and_o skilful_a surgeon_n according_a to_o the_o order_n appoint_v by_o the_o governor_n of_o this_o city_n and_o practise_v therein_o ii_o those_o scripture_n allege_v to_o show_v the_o title_n give_v to_o particular_a congregation_n do_v not_o prove_v the_o matter_n intend_v by_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n matth._n 3.2_o be_v not_o understand_v simple_o a_o particular_a congregation_n but_o the_o abundance_n of_o grace_n reveal_v and_o exhibit_v either_o unto_o particular_a person_n congregation_n or_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o god_n throughout_o the_o world_n etc._n etc._n thus_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n or_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n be_v in_o every_o several_a believer_n and_o they_o be_v all_o king_n rom._n 14.17_o rev._n 1.6_o &_o now_o according_a to_o mr_n cannes_n reason_v not_o any_o one_o of_o they_o shall_v stand_v under_o any_o other_o spiritual_a government_n under_o any_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o because_o they_o be_v king_n themselves_o and_o have_v a_o spiritual_a kingdom_n within_o they_o by_o the_o household_n of_o god_n ephes_n 2.19_o may_v be_v understand_v the_o whole_a universal_a church_n of_o god_n as_o well_o as_o a_o particular_a congregation_n and_o so_o by_o the_o one_o body_n 1._o cor._n 12.20_o and_o so_o by_o the_o queen_n psal_n 45.9_o and_o therefore_o these_o place_n prove_v nothing_o for_o the_o restraint_n and_o limitation_n of_o all_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n unto_o a_o particular_a congregation_n only_o which_o be_v the_o late-devised_n tenant_n of_o the_o brownist_n reas._n x._o the_o act_n of_o the_o apostolic_a church_n prove_v direct_o our_o assertion_n for_o it_o be_v without_o all_o contradiction_n that_o they_o elect_v their_o own_o minister_n excommunicate_v offender_n send_v messenger_n and_o perform_v all_o other_o church_n matter_n among_o themselves_o answ._n this_o reason_n take_v from_o the_o act_n of_o the_o apostolic_a church_n be_v for_o substance_n the_o same_o with_o the_o first_o three_o four_o and_o sixth_o syllogistical_a argument_n before_o and_o there_o answer_v and_o here_o by_o he_o idle_o repeat_v to_o increase_v the_o number_n of_o his_o reason_n reas._n xi_o last_o let_v it_o be_v observe_v that_o mr_n paget_n in_o this_o accord_v with_o the_o 5._o the_o bellar_n de_fw-fr eccl._n l._n 5._o c._n 5._o papist_n for_o they_o say_v as_o he_o do_v that_o particular_a church_n be_v not_o independent_a body_n but_o stand_v under_o another_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o the_o which_o thing_n our_o writer_n deny_v and_o prove_v the_o contrary_n answ._n i._n the_o accord_n of_o papist_n be_v not_o sufficient_a reason_n for_o refutation_n see_v they_o accord_n with_o we_o in_o many_o point_n of_o religion_n against_o arrian_n anabaptist_n brownist_n and_o other_o ii_o see_v the_o partiality_n of_o mr_n can_n in_o his_o eight_o reason_n before_o he_o allege_v for_o himself_o how_o the_o papist_n do_v accord_n with_o he_o to_o this_o the_o papist_n assent_n say_v he_o here_o in_o this_o place_n he_o allege_v against_o i_o their_o accord_n &_o assent_v with_o i_o present_o after_o again_o in_o the_o same_o and_o follow_a page_n he_o doubt_v not_o but_o to_o make_v it_o manifest_a that_o the_o papist_n be_v with_o he_o etc._n etc._n thus_o when_o they_o accord_v with_o he_o it_o must_v serve_v for_o the_o confirmation_n of_o his_o reason_n when_o they_o accord_v with_o i_o it_o must_v still_o serve_v for_o confirmation_n of_o his_o reason_n and_o for_o the_o condemn_v of_o i_o whether_o it_o be_v their_o assent_n or_o dissent_v it_o be_v all_o one_o to_o he_o he_o can_v ground_v his_o argument_n upon_o one_o as_o well_o as_o the_o other_o such_o be_v his_o reason_n iii_o mark_v his_o false_a allegation_n of_o bellarmine_n de_fw-fr eccl._n l._n 5._o c._n 5._o when_o as_o there_o be_v no_o such_o five_o book_n extant_a write_v by_o bellarmine_n iv_o how_o far_o we_o differ_v from_o the_o papist_n and_o popish_a hierarchy_n in_o this_o controversy_n about_o synod_n have_v be_v note_v 29.30_o note_v pag._n 29.30_o at_o first_o in_o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n and_o may_v be_v see_v at_o large_a in_o manifold_a passage_n set_v down_o before_o out_o of_o 125-132_a of_o p._n 125-132_a junius_n and_o 133-141_a and_o p._n 133-141_a d._n whitaker_n their_o dispute_n against_o bellarmine_n and_o out_o of_o 101-104_a of_o p._n 101-104_a mr_n parker_n his_o refuration_n of_o the_o hierarchy_n in_o this_o particular_a which_o to_o repeat_v in_o a_o case_n so_o clear_a be_v to_o imitate_v mr_n can_n in_o his_o needle_n and_o superfluous_a quotation_n chap._n vii_o the_o allegation_n of_o mr_n can_v examine_v after_o the_o former_a 21_o argument_n against_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n mr_n can_v fall_v to_o flatter_v himself_o &_o rejoice_v in_o himself_o to_o think_v what_o the_o reader_n will_v imagine_v when_o he_o see_v his_o manifold_a reason_n 77._o reason_n churc_n plea_n p._n 77._o
this_o opinion_n beside_o it_o be_v not_o unknown_a that_o this_o tenet_n of_o independency_n have_v be_v attend_v with_o semiseparatisme_n in_o divers_a of_o the_o better_a sort_n of_o those_o that_o have_v hold_v it_o both_o in_o mr_n jacobs_n time_n when_o orthodox_n man_n begin_v first_o to_o be_v stain_v with_o it_o &_o of_o late_a year_n also_o when_o new_a exorbitant_a oppression_n of_o the_o hierarchy_n have_v occasion_v many_o to_o witness_v their_o dislike_n of_o prelatical_a government_n whereof_o some_o eschew_v that_o rock_n of_o usurp_a episcopacy_n have_v inconsiderate_o rush_v upon_o these_o sand_n of_o popularity_n and_o independency_n and_o these_o be_v the_o point_n here_o discuss_v concern_v the_o author_n of_o this_o defence_n not_o to_o speak_v of_o his_o other_o ability_n wherewith_o he_o be_v excellent_o furnish_v unto_o every_o good_a work_n in_o the_o ministry_n whereunto_o he_o be_v call_v it_o may_v be_v observe_v how_o he_o be_v special_o fit_v unto_o the_o maintain_n of_o truth_n of_o this_o nature_n he_o be_v not_o as_o one_o of_o yesterday_o in_o regard_n of_o his_o knowledge_n study_n &_o practice_v of_o these_o point_n of_o church-government_n long_o experience_n have_v teach_v he_o in_o these_o thing_n what_o he_o say_v and_o whereof_o he_o affirm_v of_o those_o forty_o year_n &_o upward_a wherein_o he_o labour_v in_o the_o ministry_n for_o thirty_o of_o they_o &_o above_o he_o have_v be_v conversant_a in_o the_o exercise_n of_o presbyterial_a and_o classical_a government_n during_o which_o time_n his_o abode_n be_v in_o the_o same_o place_n where_o the_o ancient_a and_o chief_a opposite_n unto_o this_o discipline_n be_v seat_v he_o have_v special_a occasion_n to_o be_v acquaint_v with_o their_o course_n and_o to_o arm_v himself_o and_o other_o against_o they_o beside_o it_o may_v not_o be_v amiss_o to_o observe_v the_o correspondence_n which_o the_o author_n have_v have_v with_o divers_a of_o the_o learnede_a of_o our_o nation_n together_o with_o the_o esteem_n which_o they_o have_v have_v of_o he_o and_o his_o ability_n in_o these_o point_n of_o divine_a learning_n i_o will_v instance_n only_o in_o these_o three_o worthy_n mr_n parker_n mr_n sh._n the_o author_n of_o the_o reply_n to_o d._n down_n and_o d._n ames_n who_o name_n use_v frequent_o to_o be_v mention_v in_o writing_n of_o this_o kind_n for_o mr_n parker_n the_o familiar_a and_o love_a acquaintance_n betwixt_o he_o and_o the_o author_n be_v partly_o note_v 105._o note_v pag._n 105._o in_o the_o treatise_n itself_o and_o though_o mr_n dau._n will_v make_v his_o reader_n to_o suspect_v it_o be_v otherwise_o yet_o it_o what_o he_o have_v write_v 74.75.76_o write_v apol._n reply_n p._n 74.75.76_o to_o this_o purpose_n be_v examine_v by_o the_o rule_n and_o square_v of_o truth_n it_o will_v be_v find_v to_o be_v only_o a_o sinister_a insinuation_n ground_v upon_o unsound_a report_n the_o widow_n of_o mr_n parnell_n have_v of_o late_a year_n before_o sufficient_a witness_n protest_v solemn_o the_o foul_a untrueth_n of_o that_o that_o be_v lay_v to_o this_o our_o author_n charge_v concern_v he_o which_o charge_n while_n mr_n d._n undertake_v to_o justify_v he_o slight_o pass_v over_o the_o main_a thing_n where_o with_o the_o answerer_n as_o he_o call_v he_o have_v clear_v himself_o from_o that_o imputation_n and_o instead_o of_o due_a answer_n turn_v aside_o unto_o other_o matter_n neither_o true_a nor_o pertinent_a as_o may_v be_v manifest_v from_o undeniable_a evidence_n after_o mr_n parker_n remove_v to_o doesborough_n to_o preach_v to_o that_o garrison_n not_o to_o a_o leaguer_n as_o mr_n d._n have_v it_o where_o he_o die_v not_o about_o 3_o month_n as_o mr_n d._n say_v but_o above_o 8_o month_n at_o least_o after_o he_o go_v from_o amsterdam_n not_o in_o the_o year_n 1613._o as_o mr_n d._n be_v inform_v but_o in_o the_o y._n 1614_o from_o thence_o he_o write_v many_o love_a letter_n to_o the_o author_n wherein_o he_o do_v thankful_o acknowledge_v sundry_a kind_a office_n receive_v &_o occasional_o intreat_v the_o performance_n of_o other_o among_o the_o rest_n be_v causeless_o accuse_v touch_v some_o thing_n in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr descensu_fw-la ad_fw-la inferos_fw-la which_o he_o dedicate_v to_o our_o author_n together_o with_o the_o other_o officer_n of_o the_o same_o church_n he_o write_v thus_o i_o pray_v use_v the_o mean_n which_o convenient_o you_o can_v to_o clear_v my_o innocency_n etc._n etc._n and_o afterward_o in_o another_o letter_n i_o thank_v you_o for_o your_o pain_n in_o defend_v my_o innocency_n which_o i_o will_v keep_v if_o i_o may_v howsoever_o the_o success_n fall_v out_o for_o my_o return_n to_o amsterdam_n etc._n etc._n touch_v that_o very_a matter_n he_o write_v i_o thank_v you_o for_o the_o pain_n you_o have_v take_v for_o i_o although_o in_o vain_a at_o which_o i_o be_o not_o dismay_v nor_o any_o whir_n move_v be_v assure_v that_o it_o be_v come_v to_o pass_v by_o the_o will_n of_o the_o lord_n who_o i_o know_v will_v be_v my_o god_n as_o well_o out_o of_o amsterdam_n as_o in_o it_o etc._n etc._n whereas_o the_o second_o part_n of_o mr_n sh._n his_o reply_n be_v commit_v to_o the_o author_n trust_v for_o the_o oversee_n of_o the_o press_n and_o some_o passage_n be_v observe_v which_o he_o conceive_v to_o be_v prejudicial_a unto_o the_o due_a maintain_n of_o the_o cause_n mr_n parker_n be_v advertise_v thereof_o return_v this_o answer_n i_o have_v go_v in_o my_o eccles_n my_o de_fw-fr poâ—it_fw-fr eccles_n three_o book_n to_o the_o very_a point_n you_o doubt_v of_o and_o there_o leave_v till_o i_o have_v seem_v this_o book_n print_v i_o be_o not_o as_o yet_o resolve_v full_o about_o these_o thing_n etc._n etc._n be_v i_o be_o not_o as_o yet_o clear_o resolve_v you_o may_v not_o look_v i_o shall_v send_v you_o my_o judgement_n therein_o save_v only_o this_o that_o i_o incline_v to_o your_o opinion_n for_o aught_o i_o yet_o see_v in_o the_o specialty_n by_o you_o mention_v etc._n etc._n afterward_o have_v consider_v further_a of_o those_o particular_n he_o approve_v our_o author_n judgement_n and_o say_v in_o his_o next_o letter_n i_o very_o think_v as_o you_o write_v that_o every_o congregation_n etc._n etc._n the_o matter_n itself_o will_v be_v too_o long_o to_o rehearse_v in_o this_o place_n he_o advise_v he_o at_o the_o same_o time_n to_o qualify_v the_o word_n about_o which_o the_o difficulty_n be_v etc._n etc._n who_o choose_v rather_o to_o send_v the_o copy_n to_o mr_n p._n for_o the_o amend_v or_o alter_v of_o what_o they_o conceive_v to_o be_v amiss_o mr_n p._n return_v the_o copy_n with_o these_o word_n i_o have_v correct_v as_o i_o may_v the_o main_a point_n of_o your_o scruple_n as_o for_o the_o rest_n although_o some_o thing_n may_v be_v better_v or_o better_o set_v down_o or_o alter_v yet_o for_o aught_o i_o see_v they_o be_v not_o such_o as_o shall_v stay_v the_o print_n till_o mr_n a._n etc._n etc._n the_o liberty_n thus_o use_v about_o this_o book_n be_v grant_v by_o mr_n sh._n himself_n who_o asscribe_v so_o much_o unto_o our_o author_n judgement_n in_o these_o matter_n that_o when_o he_o send_v the_o say_a book_n to_o be_v print_v he_o write_v thus_o unto_o he_o i_o pray_v you_o peruse_v and_o ponder_v it_o add_v alter_v or_o detract_v ad_fw-la placitum_fw-la the_o author_n be_v no_o such_o man_n but_o can_v easy_o cast_v himself_o doume_n at_o yea_o under_o the_o foot_n of_o the_o prophet_n etc._n etc._n and_o the_o more_o you_o do_v therein_o the_o more_o he_o shall_v be_v and_o will_v acknowledge_v himself_o indebt_v to_o you_o etc._n etc._n in_o his_o next_o letter_n he_o say_v i_o hearty_o entreat_v you_o to_o help_v more_o than_o ordinary_a in_o correct_v not_o the_o fault_n of_o the_o workman_n with_o you_o only_o but_o my_o fault_n also_o add_v therefore_o i_o pray_v alter_v &_o detract_v therein_o etc._n etc._n what_o the_o lord_n shall_v direct_v you_o etc._n etc._n short_o after_o he_o write_v again_o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n once_o again_o i_o entreat_v you_o to_o peruse_v all_o well_o &_o add_v alter_v or_o detract_v what_o you_o see_v good_a our_o author_n have_v note_v somewhat_o in_o the_o reply_n as_o be_v say_v before_o which_o he_o judge_v to_o tend_v to_o the_o weaken_n of_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n &_o to_o the_o strengthen_n of_o mr_n jacob_n in_o his_o opposition_n against_o they_o mr_n sh._n have_v notice_n thereof_o answer_v as_o follow_v write_v of_o himself_o in_o the_o three_o person_n as_o sometime_o before_o for_o better_a security_n in_o those_o dangerous_a time_n concern_v the_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o author_n judgement_n and_o you_o i_o hope_v it_o will_v not_o begreat_a upon_o second_o thought_n advise_v i_o be_o sure_a his_o meaning_n be_v not_o to_o confirm_v
h._n ja._n against_o who_o he_o dispute_v by_o writing_n about_o the_o subject_n you_o speak_v of_o the_o author_n rest_v full_o persuade_v of_o that_o he_o have_v write_v yet_o refer_v again_o as_o he_o do_v before_o his_o do_n to_o censure_n and_o that_o by_o you_o mr_n ames_n and_o mr_n parker_n or_o either_o of_o you_o to_o alter_v etc._n etc._n so_o be_v that_o the_o adversary_n he_o answer_v afterward_o he_o explain_v himself_o more_o full_o on_o this_o manner_n have_v my_o belove_a alter_v what_o he_o deem_v untrue_a or_o insufficient_a he_o have_v do_v but_o what_o i_o desire_v and_o will_v have_v be_v well_o please_v with_o so_o he_o that_o it_o have_v not_o weaken_v the_o answer_n but_o to_o come_v to_o the_o particular_n 1._o concern_v the_o synod_n both_o their_o institution_n and_o power_n what_o it_o be_v belong_v to_o another_o question_n neither_o conceive_v i_o how_o aught_o from_o that_o assertion_n in_o the_o reply_n which_o you_o except_v against_o can_v be_v draw_v to_o prejudice_v the_o judgement_n or_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n govern_v by_o synod_n for_o i_o conceive_v not_o so_o of_o their_o synod_n that_o they_o rob_v the_o particular_a church_n whereof_o elder_n there_o sit_v to_o determine_v of_o cause_n of_o the_o power_n of_o government_n by_o their_o presbytery_n nay_o rather_o see_v their_o synod_n have_v their_o power_n by_z and_o from_o the_o deputation_n which_o the_o elder_n there_o assemble_v have_v from_o the_o particular_a church_n if_o i_o be_v not_o deceyve_v it_o will_v follow_v that_o the_o power_n of_o government_n original_o rest_v in_o they_o and_o not_o in_o the_o synod_n etc._n etc._n observe_v in_o these_o passage_n of_o mr_n sh._n be_v letter_n beside_o what_o i_o intend_v and_o mention_v before_o 1._o his_o judgement_n set_v down_o here_o more_o plain_o then_o in_o any_o place_n of_o his_o book_n touch_v the_o power_n of_o synod_n in_o the_o determine_n of_o cause_n agreeable_a unto_o that_o which_o the_o author_n maintain_v in_o this_o treatise_n consider_v what_o he_o say_v in_o his_o 203._o his_o pag._n 89._o 90._o 203._o answer_n to_o the_o objection_n allege_v out_o of_o mr_n parker_n 2._o the_o difference_n then_o acknowledge_v betwixt_o mr_n jacob_n and_o other_o nonconformist_n concern_v the_o authority_n of_o synod_n which_o mr_n d._n will_v seem_v to_o excuse_v 236._o excuse_v apol._n repl_n p._n 236._o by_o some_o word_n of_o mr_n i._n wherein_o he_o speak_v not_o direct_o touch_v this_o point_n in_o controversy_n 3._o the_o author_n care_v to_o maintain_v the_o due_a power_n of_o class_n and_o synod_n even_o in_o those_o time_n when_o there_o can_v be_v no_o suspicion_n of_o his_o own_o advantage_n or_o private_a engagement_n therein_o wherewith_o his_o opposite_n do_v unjust_o 100_o unjust_o apol._n repl_n p._n 61_o 63_o 232_o 235._o chur._n pl._n p._n 11._o 41._o 100_o upbraid_v he_o feign_v it_o to_o be_v the_o cause_n of_o his_o late_a plead_n for_o they_o moreover_o whereas_o the_o author_n have_v take_v the_o liberty_n upon_o occasion_n to_o witness_v his_o dissent_n from_o d._n ames_n touch_v certain_a particular_n in_o this_o controversy_n he_o have_v do_v no_o more_o than_o d._n a._n be_v wont_a to_o allow_v unto_o all_o ingenuous_a reader_n of_o his_o writing_n and_o in_o special_a unto_o the_o author_n when_o he_o put_v forth_o his_o first_o dispute_n against_o grevinchovius_n which_o he_o inscribe_v unto_o our_o author_n in_o his_o etc._n his_o de_fw-fr armin_n sentent_fw-fr discept_v scholast_n an._n 1613._o praef._n ad_fw-la i._n p._n exit_fw-la memet_fw-la ipso_fw-la judicium_fw-la faciens_fw-la tibi_fw-la vir_fw-la amicissime_fw-la sicut_fw-la affirmanti_fw-la facile_fw-la credo_fw-la sic_fw-la ut_fw-la postulanti_fw-la nunc_fw-la tanden_fw-mi cedam_fw-la non_fw-la aegre_fw-la quidem_fw-la adducor_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n p._n 57_o vito_n doctissimo_fw-la d.p._n hoc_fw-la quidem_fw-la recte_fw-la judicas_fw-la judiciosissime_fw-la vir_fw-la etc._n etc._n epistle_n print_v with_o it_o where_o he_o call_v he_o a_o most_o love_a most_o learned_a and_o most_o judicious_a man_n he_o write_v unto_o he_o withal_o in_o his_o private_a letter_n as_o i_o leave_v it_o to_o you_o to_o print_v i_o or_o not_o to_o print_v so_o also_o to_o blot_n out_o or_o alter_v what_o you_o see_v amiss_o to_o like_o purpose_n he_o write_v unto_o he_o concern_v his_o reply_n to_o d._n morton_n when_o his_o book_n call_v the_o marrow_n of_o divinity_n first_o come_v forth_o he_o send_v he_o a_o copy_n with_o this_o express_a condition_n that_o he_o shall_v write_v unto_o he_o his_o animadversion_n upon_o it_o and_o in_o like_a manner_n on_o the_o other_o side_n when_o the_o author_n be_v to_o publish_v his_o arrow_n against_o the_o separation_n of_o the_o brownist_n he_o send_v the_o several_a parcel_n first_o to_o d._n ames_n to_o be_v peruse_v by_o he_o who_o answer_v sometime_o on_o this_o wise_a for_o this_o part_n of_o your_o writing_n unto_o mr_n ainsw_n i_o find_v nothing_o in_o it_o but_o good_a of_o another_o part_n he_o say_v in_o it_o i_o find_v much_o good_a pain_n and_o as_o useful_a as_o the_o subject_n will_v permit_v no_o defect_n of_o any_o moment_n etc._n etc._n and_o again_o i_o have_v peruse_v all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o sheet_n and_o find_v nothing_o which_o i_o can_v mend_v etc._n etc._n your_o pain_n have_v be_v very_o great_a in_o this_o business_n i_o pray_v god_n the_o fruit_n may_v answer_v thereunto_o such_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o these_o godly_a learned_a and_o famous_a man_n touch_v the_o author_n and_o his_o sufficiency_n for_o business_n of_o this_o kind_n i_o have_v set_v down_o nothing_o here_o but_o what_o i_o have_v to_o show_v in_o black_a and_o white_a as_o the_o author_n of_o the_o preface_n to_o d._n ames_n his_o last_o book_n b._n book_n fresh_a suit_n praef_n p._n g._n 1._o b._n say_v upon_o somewhat_o the_o like_a occasion_n to_o come_v near_o unto_o the_o work_n in_o hand_n the_o occasion_n of_o this_o writing_n touch_v class_n and_o synod_n can_v but_o be_v account_v grievous_a unto_o such_o as_o have_v heart_n to_o be_v affect_v with_o the_o dissension_n of_o brethren_n but_o bitter_a root_n do_v many_o time_n yield_v sweet_a and_o wholesome_a fruit_n god_n have_v here_o also_o many_o way_n order_v for_o good_a that_o which_o in_o itself_o be_v and_o tend_v to_o evil_a i_o need_v not_o enlarge_v about_o that_o whereof_o they_o that_o be_v desirous_a may_v easy_o be_v inform_v from_o what_o have_v be_v heretofore_o publish_v in_o a_o word_n complaint_n be_v make_v by_o those_o who_o it_o least_o beseem_v these_o be_v divulge_v first_o in_o write_a copy_n and_o afterward_o in_o print_n give_v just_a occasion_n unto_o as_o public_a a_o answer_n unto_o this_o answer_n have_v be_v return_v a_o twofold_a reply_n the_o one_o call_v apologetical_a by_o he_o that_o have_v holpen_v to_o complain_v the_o other_o entitle_v the_o church_n plea_n for_o her_o right_n by_o a_o know_a schismatic_a stand_v in_o opposition_n to_o all_o the_o reform_a church_n and_o in_o his_o behalf_n who_o refuse_v to_o join_v as_o a_o member_n unto_o his_o church_n when_o he_o schism_v from_o that_o whereof_o he_o be_v a_o member_n when_o the_o complaint_n be_v frame_v these_o reply_v undertake_v to_o handle_v beside_o matter_n of_o fact_n these_o two_o point_n that_o be_v at_o the_o same_o time_n oppose_v to_o wit_n the_o due_a power_n of_o class_n and_o synod_n and_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o baptise_v infant_n who_o parent_n be_v no_o member_n of_o a_o particular_a congregation_n the_o former_a of_o these_o be_v sufficient_o maintain_v in_o the_o ensue_a treatise_n for_o the_o other_o though_o the_o author_n have_v not_o go_v so_o far_o in_o it_o as_o in_o this_o yet_o he_o have_v lay_v such_o a_o foundation_n as_o upon_o which_o it_o will_v not_o be_v difficult_a to_o build_v what_o may_v satisfy_v for_o the_o clear_n of_o that_o controversy_n whereof_o more_o hereafter_o as_o conveniency_n and_o public_a benefit_n shall_v require_v touch_v personal_a concernment_n though_o i_o acknowledge_v myself_o double_o and_o treble_o bind_v to_o vindicate_v the_o author_n reputation_n at_o who_o foot_n i_o have_v be_v bring_v up_o and_o from_o who_o i_o have_v receive_v far_o more_o than_o by_o such_o or_o better_a mean_n i_o be_o ever_o able_a to_o requite_v and_o though_o it_o be_v easy_a to_o show_v how_o his_o opposite_n have_v offend_v in_o many_o untrueth_n touch_v matter_n of_o fact_n and_o vain_a pretence_n of_o meekness_n in_o the_o midst_n of_o great_a bitterness_n etc._n etc._n yet_o i_o be_o resolve_v to_o pass_v by_o and_o to_o bury_v these_o thing_n in_o silence_n unless_o further_a cause_n be_v give_v for_o the_o publish_n of_o they_o and_o hereunto_o as_o i_o have_v be_v advise_v by_o other_o so_o i_o have_v the_o rather_o
and_o approbation_n he_o say_v it_o follow_v hence_o that_o no_o one_o church_n be_v superior_a unto_o other_o but_o all_o be_v equal_a among_o themselves_o this_o he_o declare_v by_o instance_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o though_o in_o ancient_a time_n it_o be_v of_o great_a estimation_n and_o dignity_n yet_o have_v it_o no_o special_a authority_n and_o jurisdiction_n above_o other_o church_n as_o he_o show_v by_o the_o testimony_n of_o d._n rain_n whitak_n and_o junius_n but_o he_o do_v not_o collect_v thence_o that_o many_o church_n concur_v together_o in_o synod_n do_v want_v authority_n to_o judge_v and_o to_o give_v definitive_a sentence_n in_o the_o cause_v bring_v unto_o they_o yea_o the_o contrary_n be_v manifest_a for_o whereas_o bellarmine_n pervert_v the_o testimony_n of_o the_o magdeburgenses_n who_o have_v say_v that_o the_o unity_n of_o faith_n may_v be_v preserve_v by_o the_o consociation_n of_o church_n which_o mutual_o be_v to_o help_v one_o another_o object_v 9_o object_v derom_n pon._n l._n 1._o c._n 9_o non_fw-la sit_v est_fw-la confilium_fw-la imperium_fw-la requiritur_fw-la counsel_n be_v not_o sufficient_a but_o authority_n be_v require_v mr_n parker_n in_o this_o 327._o this_o p._n 327._o same_o chapter_n allege_v allow_v and_o commend_v the_o answer_n which_o d._n whitaker_n 49_o whitaker_n derom_n pont._n cont._n 4._o cue_n 1._o p._n 49_o give_v unto_o bellarmine_n viz._n consensum_fw-la multorum_fw-la non_fw-la minus_fw-la habere_fw-la imperii_fw-la quam_fw-la unius_fw-la voluntatem_fw-la sicolim_n haeretici_fw-la per_fw-la synodos_fw-la refutati_fw-la et_fw-la alii_fw-la in_o eorum_fw-la locum_fw-la suffecti_fw-la quid_fw-la amplius_fw-la postulas_fw-la aut_fw-la quae_fw-la melior_fw-la ratio_fw-la excogitari_fw-la potest_fw-la conservandae_fw-la pacis_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o be_v the_o consent_n of_o many_o have_v no_o less_o authority_n than_o the_o will_n of_o one_o thus_o have_v heretic_n be_v refute_v of_o old_a time_n and_o other_o put_v into_o their_o place_n what_o do_v you_o require_v more_o or_o what_o better_a way_n of_o preserve_a peace_n can_v be_v think_v upon_o etc._n etc._n or_o what_o plain_a testimony_n can_v mr_n dau._n require_v for_o the_o jurisdiction_n of_o synod_n they_o do_v not_o answer_v bellarmine_n that_o counsel_n alone_o be_v sufficient_a but_o plead_v for_o authority_n and_o power_n arise_v from_o the_o consent_n of_o many_o junius_n also_o answer_v this_o objection_n of_o bellarmine_n in_o like_a manner_n and_o say_v concern_v the_o power_n of_o synod_n 74._o synod_n anim._n adv_o in_o bellarm_n contr_n 3._o l._n 1._o c._n 9_o u._n 74._o et_fw-la est_fw-la revera_fw-la imperium_fw-la christi_fw-la qui_fw-la primum_fw-la jubet_fw-la per_fw-la apostolum_n ut_fw-la spiritus_fw-la prophetarum_fw-la prophetis_fw-la subjiciantur_fw-la deinde_fw-la vero_fw-la remedium_fw-la adhibet_fw-la 1._o cor._n 11.16_o quod_fw-la si_fw-la cvi_fw-la contentiosum_fw-la esse_fw-la videtur_fw-la nos_fw-la ejusmodi_fw-la consuetudinem_fw-la non_fw-la habemus_fw-la neque_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la dei_fw-la there_o be_v indeed_o the_o power_n of_o christ_n who_o first_o command_v by_o the_o apostle_n that_o the_o spirit_n of_o the_o prophet_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o prophet_n and_o then_o add_v the_o remedy_n 1._o cor._n 11.16_o that_o if_o any_o list_n to_o be_v contentious_a we_o have_v no_o such_o custom_n nor_o the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o mr_n parker_n in_o the_o same_o place_n reason_v in_o like_a manner_n confirm_v his_o answer_n and_o enforce_v it_o say_v what_o i_o pray_v you_o can_v be_v answer_v to_o this_o last_o reason_n for_o the_o apostle_n paul_n refer_v we_o from_o the_o contention_n of_o any_o one_o church_n unto_o many_o who_o example_n if_o it_o prevail_v much_o how_o much_o more_o their_o sentence_n when_o they_o be_v assemble_v together_o in_o a_o synod_n have_v answer_v these_o allegation_n of_o mr_n dau._n we_o may_v now_o see_v what_o wrong_v he_o have_v do_v to_o mr_n parker_n in_o pervert_v his_o word_n and_o meaning_n and_o make_v he_o a_o patron_n of_o this_o erroneous_a opinion_n that_o be_v so_o prejudicial_a to_o the_o church_n of_o god_n in_o the_o government_n thereof_o by_o synod_n and_o yet_o for_o the_o further_o clear_v of_o the_o truth_n and_o vindicate_v of_o mr_n parker_n and_o for_o the_o help_n of_o the_o reader_n that_o he_o may_v better_o understand_v his_o meaning_n touch_v class_n and_o synod_n for_o many_o have_v not_o his_o book_n and_o many_o understand_v it_o not_o be_v write_v in_o latin_a i_o will_v set_v down_o his_o judgement_n more_o particular_o touch_v the_o divers_a kind_n and_o degree_n of_o consociation_n of_o church_n with_o the_o special_a question_n touch_v synod_n and_o show_v withal_o how_o he_o apply_v the_o same_o to_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n for_o the_o defence_n thereof_o in_o all_o which_o the_o jurisdiction_n of_o synod_n be_v maintain_v and_o first_o come_v to_o speak_v of_o the_o kind_n of_o conjunction_n or_o consociation_n and_o show_v 336._o show_v poli._n eccl_n l._n 3._o c._n 22._o p._n 336._o that_o some_o be_v more_o imperfect_a by_o way_n of_o communication_n &_o some_o more_o perfect_a by_o way_n of_o combination_n the_o combination_n he_o say_v be_v of_o two_o sort_n for_o some_o communicate_v among_o themselves_o by_o letter_n only_o and_o some_o both_o by_o letter_n &_o messenger_n or_o delegate_n these_o communicatory_a letter_n be_v call_v in_o old_a time_n pacificall_a &_o synodall_n letter_n and_o formatae_fw-la and_o he_o 337._o he_o p._n 337._o allege_v divers_a example_n both_o from_o the_o scripture_n and_o from_o the_o primitive_a church_n touch_v this_o kind_n of_o communication_n by_o letter_n and_o howsoever_o he_o note_v from_o the_o magdeburgenses_n that_o this_o communication_n by_o letter_n do_v not_o proceed_v from_o dominion_n and_o subjection_n etc._n etc._n yet_o this_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v touch_v the_o subjection_n of_o any_o one_o church_n to_o another_o and_o not_o of_o subjection_n to_o many_o church_n for_o so_o he_o expound_v himself_o touch_v this_o particular_a of_o communication_n by_o letter_n as_o he_o have_v often_o do_v before_o in_o general_a for_o whereas_o it_o be_v object_v if_o all_o congregation_n be_v equal_a what_o shall_v be_v do_v in_o case_n of_o schism_n and_o heresy_n when_o there_o be_v no_o synod_n nor_o christian_a magistrate_n he_o answer_v 324._o answer_v ibid._n c._n 21._o p._n 324._o the_o time_n scarce_o fall_v out_o when_o no_o synod_n can_v be_v have_v or_o if_o synod_n be_v want_v yet_o church_n may_v communicate_v together_o by_o letter_n and_o although_o there_o be_v no_o authority_n in_o one_o church_n above_o another_o yet_o many_o church_n join_v together_o either_o in_o a_o synod_n or_o by_o letter_n have_v authority_n over_o one_o church_n offend_v and_o in_o the_o next_o page_n 325._o page_n p._n 325._o again_o always_o every_o one_o church_n be_v subject_a to_o many_o church_n and_o thus_o he_o express_o avouch_v a_o jurisdiction_n of_o many_o church_n over_o one_o even_o in_o their_o communication_n by_o letter_n and_o yet_o more_o particular_o he_o apply_v this_o to_o the_o present_a practice_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n &_o high_o commend_v the_o same_o say_v 337._o say_v ibid._n c._n â—2_n p._n 337._o and_o now_o in_o the_o reform_a church_n the_o necessary_a use_n of_o eldership_n be_v acknowledge_v ubi_fw-la communicatio_fw-la per_fw-la literas_fw-la primaeva_fw-la purissime_fw-la floret_fw-la where_o the_o primitive_a communication_n by_o letter_n do_v flourish_v in_o great_a purity_n again_o mr_n parker_n proceed_v in_o describe_v the_o consociation_n of_o church_n and_o say_v 338._o say_v ibid._n p._n 338._o the_o second_o communication_n of_o church_n follow_v when_o some_o deal_n with_o other_o concern_v any_o ecclesiastical_a business_n not_o by_o letter_n only_o but_o by_o messenger_n also_o this_o consideration_n be_v of_o great_a moment_n for_o unto_o whosoever_o this_o handle_n of_o ecclesiastical_a business_n do_v belong_v to_o they_o also_o of_o necessity_n do_v belong_v the_o rest_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n this_o he_o often_o repeat_v but_o most_o full_o when_o speak_v of_o the_o authority_n of_o send_v messenger_n or_o delegate_n he_o say_v 342._o say_v p._n 342._o the_o power_n of_o send_v delegate_n in_o ecclesiastical_a affair_n be_v not_o in_o any_o one_o bishop_n but_o in_o the_o church_n itself_o and_o therefore_o all_o the_o other_o jurisdiction_n now_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o synod_n at_o jerusalem_n do_v send_v delegate_n in_o a_o ecclesiastical_a business_n act._n 15.25_o 26_o 27._o and_o therefore_o according_a to_o mr_n parker_n do_v not_o only_o consult_v &_o admonish_v but_o also_o exercise_v jurisdiction_n therein_o and_o have_v the_o power_n of_o all_o other_o jurisdiction_n thus_o the_o reform_a church_n do_v daily_o practice_v their_o class_n and_o synod_n do_v upon_o occasion_n send_v their_o deputy_n unto_o particular_a church_n to_o judge_v compound_n and_o decide_v the_o
please_v man_n to_o call_v it_o if_o mr_n dau._n do_v full_o agree_v with_o junius_n as_o he_o profess_v then_o must_v he_o acknowledge_v that_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n be_v not_o limit_v to_o a_o particular_a church_n that_o lawful_a synod_n have_v authority_n not_o only_o to_o counsel_n and_o admonish_v the_o pope_n himself_o and_o so_o other_o obstinate_a offender_n but_o also_o to_o censure_v they_o &_o to_o give_v sentence_n both_o of_o directive_n &_o coactive_a judgement_n against_o they_o as_o occasion_n require_v junius_n to_o make_v this_o more_o plain_a repeat_v it_o again_o and_o speak_v of_o the_o synod_n judge_v the_o pope_n say_v 2._o say_v n._n 2._o true_o we_o grant_v that_o he_o can_v appoint_v judge_n in_o his_o own_o cause_n because_o god_n have_v already_o appoint_v they_o by_o the_o apostle_n say_v the_o spirit_n of_o the_o prophet_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o prophet_n 1._o cor._n 14.32_o and_o that_o he_o may_v appoint_v arbiter_n but_o we_o add_v this_o withal_o that_o the_o judge_n which_o god_n have_v ordain_v may_v by_o no_o right_n be_v reject_v or_o refuse_v of_o he_o when_o bellarmine_n pretend_v that_o divers_a pope_n as_o sixtus_n the_o 3_o leo_n the_o 3_o symmachus_n and_o leo_n the_o 4_o be_v accuse_v be_v willing_a to_o have_v their_o cause_n discuss_v in_o a_o synod_n of_o bishop_n etc._n etc._n junius_n say_v 6._o say_v n._n 6._o and_o this_o aught_o so_o to_o be_v do_v of_o they_o for_o they_o be_v subject_v of_o god_n to_o a_o synod_n of_o prophet_n by_o authority_n of_o the_o word_n when_o bellar._n add_v that_o yet_o the_o bishop_n dare_v not_o judge_v they_o affirm_v also_o that_o they_o leave_v the_o whole_a judgement_n unto_o god_n junius_n answer_v 7._o answer_v n._n 7._o this_o be_v a_o fallacy_n from_o that_o which_o be_v not_o the_o cause_n as_o they_o call_v it_o for_o they_o do_v not_o therefore_o abstain_v from_o judge_v because_o they_o want_v authority_n to_o judge_v but_o partly_o because_o they_o have_v rather_o that_o the_o pope_n be_v guilty_a shall_v be_v first_o judge_v of_o themselves_o and_o their_o own_o conscience_n partly_o because_o they_o think_v it_o better_a to_o have_v their_o cause_n examine_v in_o another_o more_o full_a synod_n partly_o also_o because_o when_o they_o will_v examine_v it_o the_o matter_n be_v not_o evident_a enough_o etc._n etc._n whereas_o the_o pope_n that_o thus_o far_o submit_v their_o cause_n to_o trial_n pretend_v that_o by_o this_o fact_n they_o do_v not_o prescribe_v a_o law_n to_o their_o successor_n whereby_o they_o shall_v be_v constrain_v to_o do_v the_o same_o junius_n say_v ibiden_v say_v ibiden_v the_o impudence_n of_o these_o man_n be_v so_o much_o the_o great_a who_o after_o they_o be_v deliver_v from_o judgement_n do_v after_o this_o manner_n mock_v their_o judge_n and_o such_o as_o examine_v their_o cause_n and_o will_v have_v their_o ambitious_a licentiousness_n to_o be_v esteem_v for_o a_o lawful_a order_n asscribe_v the_o lawful_a order_n of_o judgement_n in_o their_o cause_n unto_o a_o extraordinary_a and_o voluntary_a dispensation_n as_o they_o call_v it_o but_o have_v junius_n be_v of_o my_o opposite_n mind_n he_o shall_v have_v answer_v after_o another_o manner_n &_o shall_v have_v say_v the_o bishop_n in_o the_o synod_n which_o dare_v not_o judge_v the_o cause_n of_o the_o pope_n but_o leave_v the_o whole_a judgement_n unto_o god_n do_v well_o therein_o if_o they_o have_v know_v what_o they_o do_v and_o the_o right_a ground_n thereof_o for_o they_o do_v indeed_o want_v authority_n to_o judge_v synod_n may_v advise_v and_o counsel_v but_o have_v no_o jurisdiction_n to_o give_v sentence_n in_o censure_v either_o the_o pope_n or_o any_o other_o synod_n may_v only_o direct_v particular_a church_n to_o use_v their_o power_n aright_o but_o have_v no_o power_n themselves_o to_o judge_v other_o congregation_n or_o any_o member_n thereof_o etc._n etc._n how_o far_o be_v junius_n from_o give_v such_o a_o answer_n other_o example_n and_o instance_n allege_v to_o show_v the_o power_n of_o synod_n in_o the_o judgement_n of_o cause_n be_v avouch_v clear_v and_o maintain_v by_o junius_n against_o bellarmine_n exception_n as_o appear_v in_o the_o cause_n of_o 1._o of_o ibid._n in_o c._n 19_o n._n 1._o marcellinus_n of_o the_o 3._o the_o n._n 3._o donatist_n and_o of_o 5._o of_o n._n 5._o leo._n have_v he_o think_v that_o all_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n have_v be_v shut_v up_o within_o the_o bound_n of_o a_o particular_a congregation_n he_o ought_v to_o have_v reprehend_v those_o synod_n rather_o than_o to_o have_v spend_v time_n in_o vindicate_v their_o practice_n from_o the_o cavil_v of_o adversary_n as_o in_o these_o book_n de_fw-fr conciliis_fw-la allege_v by_o mr_n dau._n junius_n have_v plain_o show_v his_o agreement_n with_o we_o so_o in_o his_o disputation_n against_o bellarmine_n de_fw-fr verbo_fw-la dei_fw-la he_o have_v likewise_o declare_v his_o consent_n with_o we_o touch_v the_o authority_n of_o synod_n he_o write_v there_o that_o 9_o that_o animadv_n in_o bell._n contr_n 1._o 〈◊〉_d verbo_fw-la dei_fw-la l._n 3._o c._n 3._o n._n 9_o there_o be_v two_o kind_n of_o judgement_n in_o the_o church_n one_o private_a which_o belong_v to_o all_o the_o faithful_a universal_o and_o several_o the_o other_o public_a depend_v upon_o a_o public_a call_n and_o authority_n the_o law_n and_o rule_n of_o both_o these_o judgement_n be_v the_o holy_a scripture_n the_o author_n and_o guide_n be_v the_o holy_a ghost_n the_o public_a judgement_n be_v either_o of_o a_o particular_a church_n or_o of_o many_o church_n meet_v together_o into_o one_o body_n or_o of_o all_o which_o body_n they_o call_v a_o synod_n a_o council_n or_o a_o assembly_n etc._n etc._n see_v the_o president_n and_o judge_n of_o the_o private_a judgement_n whereof_o the_o public_a be_v compact_v be_v the_o spirit_n of_o god_n and_o the_o scripture_n the_o law_n there_o can_v be_v no_o other_o judge_n or_o law_n appoint_v in_o the_o public_a judgement_n of_o synod_n without_o most_o heinous_a blasphemy_n against_o god_n and_o reproach_n to_o his_o church_n and_o the_o precedent_n which_o be_v give_v to_o synod_n have_v not_o the_o dominion_n and_o arbritement_n of_o the_o business_n but_o the_o procure_n of_o order_n commit_v unto_o they_o to_o determine_v matter_n by_o that_o one_o judge_n according_a to_o his_o law_n it_o be_v here_o to_o be_v observe_v that_o under_o the_o public_a judgement_n of_o the_o church_n he_o do_v in_o like_a manner_n comprehend_v the_o authority_n of_o particular_a church_n and_o of_o synod_n consist_v of_o many_o church_n he_o speak_v not_o otherwise_o of_o one_o then_o of_o the_o other_o as_o touch_v the_o kind_n of_o power_n that_o they_o have_v he_o do_v not_o attribute_v jurisdiction_n to_o one_o &_o counsel_n to_o the_o other_o he_o note_v both_o to_o depend_v upon_o a_o public_a call_n and_o authority_n for_o a_o ground_n of_o their_o proceed_n and_o though_o in_o both_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n be_v the_o principal_a judge_n yet_o as_o he_o 3.5.28_o he_o ibid._n in_o c._n 5._o n._n 3.5.28_o afterward_o note_n more_o plain_o he_o acknowledge_v a_o ministerial_a judgement_n commit_v to_o they_o for_o the_o denounce_v of_o his_o judgement_n against_o such_o as_o be_v guilty_a according_a to_o his_o word_n afterward_o junius_n 3._o junius_n ibid._n in_o c._n 6._o n._n 3._o show_v how_o unlike_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n be_v to_o the_o nicene_n council_n where_o the_o arian_n bishop_n be_v present_a be_v hear_v convict_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o god_n word_n and_o be_v convict_v be_v condemn_v though_o he_o avouch_v the_o bishop_n of_o trent_n to_o have_v be_v the_o enemy_n of_o the_o gospel_n yet_o he_o say_v 4._o say_v n._n 4._o otherwise_o as_o for_o lawful_a bishop_n or_o elder_n and_o deacon_n lawful_o call_v into_o a_o synod_n &_o hold_v the_o same_o lawful_o we_o acknowledge_v all_o these_o thing_n when_o bellarmine_n allege_v basilius_n emperor_n who_o speak_v of_o the_o judgement_n of_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n in_o a_o synod_n say_v to_o try_v and_o search_v out_o these_o thing_n it_o belong_v unto_o patriarch_n bishop_n and_o priest_n who_o have_v a_o office_n of_o government_n allot_v unto_o they_o who_o have_v the_o power_n of_o sanctify_v of_o lose_v and_o bind_v who_o have_v obtain_v the_o key_n of_o the_o church_n and_o not_o unto_o we_o which_o be_v to_o be_v feed_v which_o stand_v in_o need_n to_o be_v sanctify_v to_o be_v bind_v or_o loose_v from_o bind_v junius_n answer_v 9_o answer_v ibid._n in_o c._n 7._o n._n 9_o we_o allow_v this_o testimony_n of_o basilius_n touch_v the_o lawful_a order_n of_o synod_n as_o before_o herein_o we_o have_v the_o express_a confession_n of_o junius_n touch_v the_o authority_n and_o jurisdiction_n of_o synod_n in_o the_o use_n of_o the_o
be_v pronounce_v by_o they_o 1._o they_o sleid._n comment_fw-fr lib._n 1._o he_o appeal_v from_o the_o pope_n to_o a_o council_n or_o synod_n the_o complete_a form_n of_o his_o appeal_v be_v record_v 1545._o record_v tom._n 1._o f._n 231._o edit_n 1545._o among_o his_o work_n wherein_o he_o do_v plain_o acknowledge_v the_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n of_o synod_n both_o by_o the_o whole_a drift_n and_o substance_n thereof_o and_o when_o he_o say_v that_o a_o sacred_a council_n be_v lawful_o assemble_v in_o the_o holy_a ghost_n represent_v the_o holy_a catholic_n church_n be_v in_o cause_n concern_v the_o faith_n above_o the_o pope_n etc._n etc._n this_o his_o appeal_v be_v repeat_v and_o further_o urge_v in_o the_o year_n 1520_o when_o the_o pope_n have_v condemn_v and_o excommunicate_v he_o among_o other_o reason_n which_o he_o use_v to_o reinforce_v his_o appeal_v he_o allege_v this_o 2._o this_o tom._n 2._o f._n 52._o sleid._n comm_n l._n 2._o that_o the_o pope_n most_o wicked_o prefer_v his_o own_o tyranny_n above_o the_o power_n of_o the_o council_n etc._n etc._n and_o therefore_o he_o beseech_v the_o emperor_n and_o other_o magistrate_n that_o for_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n and_o for_o the_o maintain_n of_o the_o liberty_n of_o a_o council_n they_o will_v admit_v of_o his_o appeal_v and_o repress_v the_o other_o tyranny_n etc._n etc._n in_o the_o year_n 1539_o he_o write_v a_o book_n in_o the_o german_a tongue_n de_fw-fr conciliis_fw-la concern_v counsel_n or_o synod_n where_o though_o he_o inveigh_v severe_o and_o not_o without_o cause_n against_o the_o pope_n for_o his_o frustrate_v the_o desire_n of_o those_o that_o seek_v a_o general_n council_n &_o admit_v of_o none_o but_o where_o he_o may_v sway_v all_o by_o his_o own_o authority_n and_o command_n yet_o he_o do_v full_o approve_v of_o that_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n which_o have_v be_v former_o exercise_v in_o synod_n &_o counsel_n lawful_o assemble_v and_o right_o order_v a_o council_n say_v 1562._o say_v oper._n german_n tom._n 7._o f._n 260._o edit_n 1562._o he_o be_v nothing_o else_o but_o a_o consistory_n a_o court_n of_o justice_n a_o imperial_a chamber_n or_o the_o like_a where_o the_o judge_n have_v hear_v the_o party_n pronounce_v sentence_n but_o with_o this_o condition_n that_o it_o be_v according_a to_o law_n etc._n etc._n thus_o a_o council_n condemn_v a_o heretic_n not_o according_a to_o their_o own_o opinion_n but_o according_a to_o the_o royal_a law_n that_o be_v according_a to_o the_o holy_a scripture_n as_o they_o profess_v which_o be_v the_o law_n of_o the_o holy_a church_n speak_v of_o the_o right_n and_o power_n of_o counsel_n have_v show_v 12._o show_v ibid._n f._n 257._o etc._n etc._n sleid._n comm_n l._n 12._o that_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a for_o they_o to_o make_v new_a article_n of_o faith_n to_o command_v any_o new_a work_n to_o bind_v man_n conscience_n to_o new_a ceremony_n nor_o to_o intermeddle_v with_o civil_a government_n he_o declare_v withal_o that_o it_o be_v their_o duty_n to_o condemn_v new_a doctrine_n contrary_a to_o the_o scripture_n and_o to_o censure_v the_o person_n to_o remove_v and_o condemn_v new_a ceremony_n that_o be_v superstitious_a or_o unprofitable_a for_o the_o church_n and_o to_o examine_v and_o judge_v of_o those_o thing_n that_o be_v controvert_v as_o it_o be_v prescribe_v in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n moreover_o demand_v what_o the_o office_n or_o work_n of_o a_o council_n be_v he_o answer_v 260._o answer_v ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la f._n 260._o anathematisamus_n we_o pronounce_v anathema_n so_o be_v their_o office_n call_v anathematisat_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la the_o holy_a church_n condemn_v or_o excommunicate_v so_o far_o be_v luther_n from_o deny_v the_o authority_n of_o synod_n that_o he_o allow_v they_o the_o power_n of_o pronounce_v this_o heavy_a sentence_n of_o anathema_n or_o excommunication_n to_o proceed_v unto_o his_o other_o witness_n there_o be_v nothing_o in_o the_o word_n allege_v out_o of_o chemnitius_n and_o polycarpus_n lyserus_n who_o be_v the_o author_n of_o that_o part_n of_o the_o harmony_n quote_v under_o the_o name_n of_o chemnitius_n that_o by_o any_o just_a consequence_n can_v be_v oppose_v unto_o our_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n touch_v election_n excommunication_n examination_n of_o sentence_n etc._n etc._n only_o observe_v how_o mr_n can_v here_o abuse_v his_o author_n and_o his_o reader_n by_o his_o imperfect_a allegation_n set_v down_o this_o testimony_n of_o chemnitius_n in_o such_o manner_n as_o if_o that_o which_o be_v say_v with_o a_o express_a condition_n have_v be_v utter_v simple_o and_o absolute_o without_o any_o such_o restraint_n chemnitius_n say_v indeed_o that_o election_n or_o call_n do_v belong_v unto_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o how_o that_o mr_n can_n leave_v out_o as_o unfit_a for_o his_o purpose_n which_o his_o author_n add_v immediate_o in_o the_o same_o period_n say_v that_o it_o belong_v unto_o the_o whole_a church_n certo_fw-la quodam_fw-la modo_fw-la in_o such_o wise_a that_o both_o the_o presbytery_n and_o the_o people_n have_v each_o their_o own_o share_n in_o the_o choice_n or_o call_n chemnitius_n in_o that_o 7._o that_o exam._n conc._n trid._n par_fw-fr 2._o de_fw-la sacram_fw-la ord._n can._n 7._o learned_a discourse_n touch_v the_o call_n of_o minister_n intend_v principal_o to_o prove_v against_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n that_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n and_o of_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n be_v requisite_a in_o election_n but_o withal_o he_o give_v as_o full_a and_o plain_a testimony_n for_o the_o judgement_n examination_n and_o approbation_n of_o the_o presbytery_n under_o which_o he_o comprehend_v the_o minister_n of_o other_o congregation_n call_v bishop_n and_o clerk_n in_o the_o place_n allege_v by_o he_o and_o this_o kind_n of_o election_n he_o show_v to_o be_v agreeable_a unto_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o apostolic_a primitive_a ancient_a and_o their_o own_o modern_a church_n beside_o chemnitius_n do_v sufficient_o declare_v his_o judgement_n touch_v the_o authority_n of_o synod_n which_o be_v our_o main_a question_n in_o divers_a pregnant_a passage_n of_o that_o book_n which_o he_o write_v against_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n he_o praef_n he_o exam._n conc._n try_v par_fw-fr 1._o praef_n allege_v &_o commend_v the_o word_n of_o augustine_n say_v that_o most_o wholesome_a be_v the_o authority_n of_o counsel_n in_o the_o church_n while_o they_o judge_v according_a to_o the_o rule_n and_o square_v of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n etc._n etc._n he_o say_v 2._o say_v ibid._n exam._n decret_a 1._o &_o 2._o that_o many_o have_v often_o wish_v and_o long_o wait_v for_o a_o true_a lawful_a free_a and_o christian_a council_n as_o the_o right_a medicine_n for_o the_o cure_n of_o those_o manifold_a error_n and_o abuse_n that_o be_v creep_v into_o the_o church_n he_o do_v frequent_o allege_v and_o approve_v the_o act_n of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n exercise_v in_o former_a synod_n throughout_o that_o whole_a book_n he_o say_v indeed_o in_o one_o of_o the_o place_n cite_v by_o mr_n can_v praef_n can_v ibid._n praef_n that_o the_o decree_n of_o counsel_n be_v to_o be_v examine_v by_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o scripture_n but_o this_o do_v no_o more_o impair_v that_o authority_n of_o synod_n which_o we_o asscribe_v unto_o they_o than_o it_o do_v the_o power_n of_o all_o church-act_n and_o sentence_n whatsoever_o concern_v which_o chemnitius_n 2._o chemnitius_n exam._n par_fw-fr 1._o de_fw-fr bon_fw-fr open_fw-mi qu._n 2._o say_v the_o same_o thing_n and_o mr_n can_n can_v deny_v but_o that_o they_o be_v to_o be_v examine_v and_o try_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n though_o they_o be_v make_v in_o such_o manner_n as_o he_o himself_o 95._o himself_o ch._n pl._n p._n 95._o require_v there_o be_v another_o allegation_n of_o chemnitius_n touch_v the_o distinction_n betwixt_o power_n and_o the_o administration_n of_o it_o which_o mr_n can_v have_v take_v at_o all_o adventure_n as_o it_o seem_v from_o mr_n parker_n or_o rather_o from_o the_o scribe_n or_o printer_n that_o cause_v that_o quotation_n exam._n c._n 6._o to_o stand_v so_o defective_o 26._o defective_o pol._n eccl_n l._n 3._o p._n 26._o in_o his_o book_n and_o as_o he_o be_v thus_o brief_a and_o obscure_a in_o the_o quotation_n so_o he_o be_v as_o spare_v in_o the_o application_n of_o this_o testimony_n unto_o his_o purpose_n bid_v we_o only_o observe_v what_o be_v attribute_v to_o the_o congregation_n what_o to_o the_o guide_v thereof_o to_o the_o first_o power_n to_o the_o latter_a the_o administration_n of_o it_o for_o the_o thing_n itself_o we_o grant_v that_o there_o be_v such_o a_o distinction_n allege_v out_o of_o luther_n and_o explain_v by_o chemnitius_n teach_v 10._o teach_v exam._n conc._n trid._n par_fw-fr 2._o de_fw-la sacram_fw-la in_o gen_fw-la can._n 10._o that_o christ_n have_v deliver_v and_o commend_v the_o key_n that_o be_v the_o
he_o call_v those_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o basile_n 1218._o basile_n p._n 1218._o catholic_n or_o universal_a truth_n whereby_o it_o be_v enact_v 1._o that_o the_o power_n of_o a_o general_n council_n represent_v the_o whole_a church_n be_v above_o the_o pope_n and_o every_o other_o person_n 2._o that_o the_o pope_n can_v dissolve_v a_o general_n council_n without_o their_o consent_n etc._n etc._n 3._o that_o he_o that_o do_v obstinate_o oppose_v the_o foresay_a truth_n be_v to_o be_v account_v a_o heretic_n he_o relate_v &_o commend_v the_o speech_n of_o etc._n of_o p._n 1010._o etc._n etc._n marsilius_n patavinus_n etc._n patavinus_n p._n 1232_o etc._n etc._n petrus_n de_fw-it alliaco_fw-it and_o divers_a other_o show_v the_o power_n of_o counsel_n in_o judge_v and_o censure_v the_o pope_n the_o necessity_n of_o they_o both_o provincial_n and_o general_n for_o the_o correct_v of_o abuse_n and_o amend_v of_o all_o sort_n of_o person_n and_o thing_n with_o great_a authority_n he_o approve_v and_o defend_v 1341._o defend_v p._n 1341._o the_o renown_a italian_a martyr_n hieronimus_fw-la savanorola_fw-it for_o seek_v that_o a_o general_n council_n may_v be_v call_v for_o reformation_n of_o the_o clergy_n and_o degenerate_a estate_n of_o the_o church_n etc._n etc._n beside_o this_o he_o be_v in_o his_o time_n a_o principal_a favourer_n &_o maintainer_n of_o the_o discipline_n in_o the_o french_a church_n where_o the_o cause_n of_o particular_a congregation_n be_v judge_v and_o determine_v by_o synod_n can_v therefore_o be_v no_o favourer_n of_o the_o brownist_n opinion_n which_o count_v such_o government_n to_o be_v a_o miserable_a bondage_n and_o slavery_n of_o the_o church_n tilenus_n that_o be_v also_o call_v to_o be_v one_o of_o their_o jury_n against_o i_o do_v most_o express_o give_v his_o verdict_n on_o my_o side_n against_o the_o brownist_n he_o teach_v 1._o teach_v syntag._n disp_n theol._n par_fw-fr 2._o disp_n â—0_n thes_n 1._o that_o the_o fourfold_a power_n of_o the_o church_n be_v to_o be_v exercise_v not_o only_o in_o presbytery_n but_o also_o in_o counsel_n or_o synod_n that_o 4._o that_o thes_n 4._o synod_n according_a to_o the_o power_n grant_v of_o god_n unto_o his_o church_n may_v take_v knowledge_n of_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n and_o by_o their_o judgement_n confer_v together_o according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n may_v define_v etc._n etc._n &_o 19_o &_o th._n 19_o give_v ministerial_a sentence_n etc._n etc._n and_o further_o he_o say_v 38._o say_v th._n 38._o as_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v hope_v for_o that_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n militant_a on_o earth_n shall_v be_v free_a from_o divers_a disease_n so_o we_o may_v not_o think_v that_o it_o can_v want_v this_o remedy_n of_o synod_n which_o we_o therefore_o affirm_v to_o be_v not_o only_o lawful_a but_o also_o necessary_a bastingius_n show_v how_o excommunication_n pertain_v to_o the_o whole_a church_n say_v nothing_o but_o that_o which_o be_v practise_v both_o in_o our_o and_o other_o reform_a church_n of_o these_o country_n especial_o if_o it_o be_v mark_v how_o he_o explain_v himself_o in_o the_o leaf_n follow_v where_o he_o add_v that_o 85._o that_o expos_fw-la catech._n qu._n 85._o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n and_o excommunication_n itself_o ought_v to_o be_v administer_v by_o they_o who_o be_v ordain_v thereunto_o of_o the_o church_n such_o as_o be_v minister_n of_o the_o word_n and_o elder_n the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n consent_v thereunto_o yet_o with_o this_o correction_n that_o the_o multitude_n of_o the_o people_n do_v not_o rule_v the_o action_n but_o provide_v as_o watchman_n that_o nothing_o be_v do_v by_o a_o few_o as_o they_o listen_v themselves_o beside_o he_o be_v a_o member_n &_o minister_n of_o these_o church_n and_o regent_n of_o a_o college_n in_o leyden_n there_o be_v no_o reason_n from_o these_o his_o word_n to_o conclude_v against_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n in_o judge_v the_o cause_n of_o particular_a congregation_n if_o they_o either_o can_v not_o agree_v among_o themselves_o or_o shall_v agree_v in_o evil_n for_o than_o he_o shall_v have_v condemn_v his_o own_o estate_n and_o practice_n which_o yet_o can_v be_v infer_v from_o this_o his_o testimony_n vrfinus_n also_o though_o he_o teach_v that_o the_o unrepentant_a be_v to_o be_v excommunicate_v by_o the_o common_a consent_n of_o the_o church_n etc._n etc._n yet_o do_v he_o not_o thereby_o deny_v or_o exclude_v the_o power_n of_o synod_n in_o judge_v of_o that_o which_o be_v do_v in_o particular_a congregation_n but_o do_v plain_o give_v testimony_n with_o i_o for_o 686._o for_o tom._n 2._o admo_fw-la chr._n de_fw-fr lib._n concord_n c._n 12._o col_fw-fr 686._o have_v show_v the_o condition_n and_o necessity_n of_o synod_n he_o say_v of_o they_o this_o remedy_n for_o the_o heal_n of_o the_o wound_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o to_o be_v neglect_v which_o the_o holy_a ghost_n have_v show_v unto_o we_o by_o the_o counsel_n and_o example_n of_o the_o apostle_n which_o all_o reason_n of_o divine_a and_o humane_a right_n require_v which_o be_v lawful_o use_v experience_n have_v prove_v to_o be_v most_o wholesome_a for_o the_o church_n in_o many_o most_o grievous_a confusion_n of_o opinion_n neither_o be_v this_o his_o private_a opinion_n but_o 478_o but_o ibid._n tit._n &_o col._n 478_o write_v in_o the_o name_n of_o other_o divine_n &_o minister_n in_o the_o jurisdiction_n of_o prince_n casimir_n and_o approve_v by_o they_o piscator_fw-la say_v excommunication_n be_v a_o decree_n of_o the_o church_n &_o therefore_o aught_o to_o be_v do_v of_o the_o church_n 3._o church_n in_o 1._o cor._n 5._o obs_n 1._o art_n 3._o or_o of_o the_o eldership_n judge_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n we_o grant_v as_o much_o or_o more_o in_o the_o practice_n of_o our_o church_n while_o the_o eldership_n never_o exercise_v such_o power_n alone_o without_o the_o knowledge_n and_o consent_n of_o the_o church_n by_o propound_v the_o same_o divers_a time_n unto_o they_o but_o it_o be_v a_o pervert_n of_o this_o testimony_n to_o gather_v from_o hence_o that_o the_o action_n of_o the_o church_n or_o eldership_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o the_o judgement_n of_o synod_n if_o they_o be_v complain_v of_o for_o wrong_n and_o that_o piscator_fw-la allow_v the_o authority_n of_o synod_n 6._o synod_n in_o act._n 15._o obser_n in_o v._o 6._o to_o judge_v the_o controversy_n of_o religion_n and_o to_o 72._o to_o thes_n theol._n vol._n 1._o loc._n 23._o de_fw-fr eccl._n the_o 68_o &_o 72._o make_v decree_n by_o gather_v of_o voice_n in_o order_n it_o be_v evident_a from_o other_o of_o his_o writing_n calvine_n require_v the_o 15._o the_o instit_fw-la l._n 4._o c._n 1._o sec_fw-la 15._o cognition_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n before_o any_o be_v excommunicate_a require_v no_o more_o than_o be_v hold_v and_o practise_v by_o we_o and_o this_o be_v no_o impeachment_n to_o he_o and_o our_o opinion_n with_o he_o that_o in_o case_n of_o doubt_n or_o controversy_n 13._o controversy_n ibid._n c._n 9_o sec_fw-la 13._o there_o be_v no_o better_a nor_o more_o certain_a remedy_n then_o that_o a_o synod_n of_o true_a bishop_n meet_v together_o where_o the_o controversy_n may_v be_v discuss_v for_o such_o a_o definition_n shall_v have_v much_o more_o weight_n where_o the_o pastor_n of_o church_n in_o common_a do_v agree_v together_o etc._n etc._n and_o this_o he_o there_o confirm_v both_o by_o scripture_n and_o sundry_a example_n of_o ancient_a church_n show_v that_o from_o the_o beginning_n it_o be_v the_o ordinary_a way_n of_o preserve_a unity_n in_o the_o church_n so_o often_o as_o satan_n begin_v to_o attempt_v any_o thing_n beside_o this_o not_o to_o speak_v of_o other_o testimony_n afford_v by_o calvine_n to_o this_o purpose_n when_o as_o mr_n can_v 94._o can_v ch._n pl._n p._n 94._o afterward_o note_v the_o assertion_n of_o divers_a plead_n for_o the_o hierarchy_n of_o bishop_n and_o oppugn_v ecclesiastical_a government_n by_o class_n and_o synod_n as_o a_o weed_n of_o late_a growth_n say_v that_o at_o geneva_n subject_v of_o church_n first_o begin_v and_o before_o calvine_n come_v there_o every_o congregation_n be_v free_a in_o itself_o if_o these_o assertion_n be_v true_a and_o that_o none_o be_v able_a to_o disprove_v they_o as_o mr_n can_v there_o suppose_v how_o come_v it_o that_o he_o thus_o pervert_v mr_n calvine_v testimony_n against_o his_o profession_n and_o practice_v let_v the_o reader_n observe_v that_o if_o these_o assetion_n be_v sound_a mr_n can_n may_v as_o well_o have_v write_v a_o book_n to_o prove_v the_o miserable_a bondage_n and_o slavery_n of_o the_o church_n at_o geneva_n procure_v by_o the_o tyrannical_a government_n and_o corrupt_a doctrine_n of_o mr_n calvine_n as_o he_o write_v the_o like_a title_n of_o a_o unjust_a complaint_n upon_o the_o like_a ground_n against_o i_o paraeus_n
congregation_n let_v we_o see_v what_o his_o own_o witness_n say_v d._n whitaker_n that_o be_v next_o allege_v by_o he_o do_v by_o many_o argument_n show_v the_o profit_n and_o necessity_n of_o synod_n and_o to_o this_o end_n he_o cit_v many_o 56._o many_o deconc_fw-fr qu._n 1._o c._n 3._o p._n 15.16_o &_o q._n 2._o c._n 3._o p._n 55_o 56._o place_n of_o scripture_n both_o from_o the_o old_a &_o new_a testament_n he_o allege_v at_o large_a etc._n large_a p._n 17._o etc._n etc._n 7_o or_o 8_o cause_n for_o which_o they_o be_v profitable_a and_o of_o great_a use_n and_o fruit_n he_o speak_v also_o of_o such_o synod_n as_o be_v not_o only_o for_o discuss_v and_o conclude_v of_o matter_n by_o way_n of_o counsel_n and_o advise_v but_o of_o those_o that_o have_v power_n to_o 21._o to_o p._n 21._o judge_v and_o condemn_v obstinate_a offender_n by_o a_o public_a judgement_n and_o as_o occasion_n require_v to_o anathematise_v or_o exclude_v from_o the_o fellowship_n of_o the_o church_n he_o maintain_v that_o those_o which_o be_v lawful_o call_v unto_o synod_n have_v authority_n of_o decide_v and_o determine_v controversy_n by_o etc._n by_o ibid._n q._n 3._o c._n 3._o p._n 95.96_o etc._n etc._n definitive_a sentence_n or_o suffrage_n he_o say_v that_o 470._o that_o depontif_n rom._n qu._n 4._o p._n 470._o appeal_n be_v of_o divine_a and_o natural_a right_n and_o can_v be_v deny_v in_o controversy_n about_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n and_o person_n and_o thus_o by_o the_o testimony_n of_o their_o own_o witness_n my_o adversary_n do_v offend_v both_o against_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n in_o deny_v appeal_n and_o in_o not_o allow_v the_o action_n and_o judgement_n of_o a_o particular_a congregation_n to_o be_v judicial_o examine_v by_o a_o synod_n or_o classis_fw-la the_o several_a testimony_n of_o d._n whitaker_n to_o this_o purpose_n be_v allege_v 133-141_a allege_v p._n 39_o &_o 133-141_a before_o and_o apply_v at_o large_a to_o declare_v his_o judgement_n in_o this_o controversy_n though_o d._n whit._n do_v 178._o do_v deconc_fw-fr q._n 5._o p._n 178._o grant_v as_o be_v here_o allege_a against_o i_o that_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n be_v in_o the_o church_n principal_o primary_o and_o essential_o etc._n etc._n he_o do_v not_o hereby_o contradict_v himself_o or_o deny_v the_o power_n of_o synod_n where_o minister_n do_v judge_n by_o virtue_n of_o their_o call_n and_o deputation_n from_o many_o church_n the_o authority_n of_o church_n be_v manifest_v in_o they_o and_o by_o their_o service_n therein_o the_o like_a testimony_n allege_v from_o saravia_n and_o schola_fw-la parisienfis_n be_v 170._o be_v p._n 170._o before_o answer_v yea_o the_o school_n of_o paris_n do_v sufficient_o 2._o sufficient_o schol._n paris_n p._n 1_o 2._o explain_v this_o matter_n by_o a_o fit_a similitude_n show_v that_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n be_v in_o the_o church_n primary_o and_o instrumental_o in_o the_o minister_n as_o the_o power_n of_o see_v be_v in_o man_n principal_o but_o instrumental_o in_o the_o eye_n as_o man_n see_v by_o his_o eye_n so_o the_o church_n exercise_v ecclesiastical_a authority_n by_o the_o minister_n and_o ruler_n thereof_o and_o so_o judge_v of_o all_o crime_n and_o offence_n the_o testimony_n of_o bell_n next_o allege_v be_v in_o like_a manner_n to_o be_v understand_v whereas_o from_o 4._o from_o regim_fw-la of_o chur._n ch_z 2._o sect_n 4._o he_o they_o object_v that_o excommunication_n precise_o and_o chief_o pertain_v to_o the_o church_n and_o that_o she_o have_v authority_n to_o commit_v the_o execution_n thereof_o to_o some_o special_a person_n for_o that_o purpose_n and_o choose_v for_o that_o end_n this_o do_v no_o way_n condemn_v but_o rather_o illustrate_v our_o practice_n agreeable_a thereunto_o and_o that_o the_o meaning_n of_o this_o author_n be_v not_o repugnant_a unto_o we_o it_o appear_v more_o plain_o by_o another_o of_o his_o writing_n etc._n writing_n bell_n motiv_o l._n 2._o c._n 4._o concl_n 3._o etc._n etc._n where_o he_o evident_o declare_v his_o mind_n that_o synod_n have_v power_n to_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a authority_n and_o to_o proceed_v judicial_o with_o delinquent_n even_o to_o depose_v &_o excommunicate_v though_o it_o be_v the_o pope_n himself_o upon_o due_a conviction_n and_o to_o this_o end_n he_o allege_v the_o confession_n of_o many_o popish_a writer_n and_o far_o more_o true_o and_o upright_o then_o mr_n can_n have_v do_v in_o this_o controversy_n as_o for_o d._n willet_n if_o he_o speak_v but_o to_o the_o same_o effect_n with_o bell_n as_o they_o say_v than_o the_o same_o answer_n may_v serve_v but_o for_o the_o place_n allege_v synop_n count_v 4._o qu._n 4._o p._n 2._o i_o find_v no_o such_o matter_n there_o they_o allege_v p._n 2._o when_o as_o there_o be_v no_o second_o part_n of_o that_o question_n but_o in_o the_o same_o book_n he_o give_v plain_a evidence_n against_o they_o he_o acknowledge_v synod_n to_o be_v 105._o be_v synop_n papi_n cont_n 3._o qu._n 1_o p._n 105._o a_o wholesome_a mean_n for_o the_o repress_v and_o reform_v both_o of_o error_n in_o religion_n and_o corruption_n in_o manner_n he_o allege_v the_o consent_n of_o antiquity_n to_o prove_v that_o our_o opinion_n be_v ground_v upon_o truth_n and_o scripture_n namely_o that_o those_o which_o be_v lawful_o call_v unto_o synod_n 109.110_o synod_n qu._n 3._o p._n 109.110_o have_v determine_v voice_n and_o power_n to_o give_v sentence_n and_o give_v instance_n in_o the_o council_n of_o antioch_n where_o paulus_n samosatenus_fw-la be_v condemn_v and_o cut_v off_o as_o a_o enemy_n to_o the_o truth_n etc._n etc._n he_o avouch_v that_o 123._o that_o qu._n 7._o p._n 123._o they_o have_v authority_n to_o judge_v examine_v suspend_v punish_v and_o depose_v etc._n etc._n and_o thus_o d._n willet_n full_o accord_v with_o we_o in_o this_o point_n that_o there_o be_v a_o superior_a power_n to_o judge_v the_o cause_n of_o particular_a congregation_n d._n tailor_n next_o allege_v afford_v they_o no_o help_n whereas_o he_o say_v that_o 712._o that_o com._n on_o tit._n 3.10_o p._n 712._o excommunication_n be_v the_o common_a action_n of_o the_o church_n and_o not_o of_o any_o private_a person_n or_o person_n we_o also_o affirm_v the_o same_o thing_n our_o profession_n and_o practice_v always_o have_v be_v never_o to_o excommunicate_v any_o without_o common_a consent_n of_o our_o church_n but_o have_v we_o do_v unjust_o at_o any_o time_n therein_o we_o may_v just_o have_v be_v subject_a to_o the_o censure_n of_o a_o synod_n or_o classis_fw-la and_o yet_o then_o also_o the_o minister_n and_o deputy_n assemble_v in_o the_o name_n of_o many_o church_n can_v with_o no_o reason_n be_v account_v private_a person_n and_o though_o we_o think_v ourselves_o bind_v to_o ask_v counsel_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la according_a to_o the_o order_n of_o these_o church_n before_o we_o proceed_v to_o cut_v off_o any_o member_n of_o the_o church_n by_o excommunication_n this_o prove_v no_o deprivation_n but_o a_o direction_n of_o our_o power_n now_o whether_o i_o have_v just_a cause_n to_o blush_v for_o deny_v to_o the_o church_n of_o god_n that_o due_a power_n which_o the_o learned_a of_o all_o profession_n do_v grant_v unto_o she_o as_o mr_n can_n and_o will._n bdoe_v without_o blush_a 86._o blush_a ch._n pl._n p._n 86._o charge_n i_o let_v the_o judicious_a &_o impartial_a reader_n judge_v sect_n v._o touch_v the_o testimony_n of_o english_a nonconformist_n under_o the_o title_n of_o this_o kind_n of_o witness_n they_o allege_v against_o i_o the_o replyer_n to_o d._n downame_n mr_n parker_n the_o author_n of_o the_o english_a puritanisme_n d._n ames_n mr_n baines_n mr_n bates_n mr_n fenner_n mr_n udall_n the_o english_a church_n at_o frank_n ford_n and_o mr_n hooker_n these_o be_v etc._n be_v ch._n pl._n p._n 86_o etc._n etc._n here_o produce_v and_o in_o another_o 23._o another_o p._n 23._o place_n unto_o which_o he_o refer_v we_o for_o the_o same_o purpose_n he_o cite_v also_o the_o protestation_n of_o the_o king_n supremacic_n d._n fulke_o and_o our_o countryman_n in_o new-england_n for_o answer_v hereunto_o first_o concern_v some_o of_o these_o that_o seem_v to_o be_v of_o mr_n cannes_n mind_n in_o deny_v the_o authority_n of_o synod_n in_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n observe_v how_o idle_o and_o superfluous_o he_o allege_v they_o against_o i_o when_o as_o he_o know_v that_o i_o myself_o do_v acknowledge_v and_o note_v so_o much_o before_o as_o namely_o the_o judgement_n of_o 74._o of_o answ_n to_o w._n b._n p._n 74._o mr_n hooker_n 27_o hooker_n ib._n p._n 27_o d._n ames_n and_o the_o author_n of_o the_o book_n entitle_v english_a puritanisme_n by_o who_o also_o the_o protestation_n of_o k._n supremacy_n be_v say_v to_o be_v write_v these_o i_o have_v confess_v to_o be_v opposite_a unto_o i_o in_o this_o
controversy_n &_o have_v long_o since_o profess_v unto_o they_o how_o much_o i_o have_v dislike_v their_o opinion_n in_o this_o point_n second_o though_o these_o witness_n have_v testify_v their_o particular_a judgement_n yet_o do_v they_o never_o deny_v but_o that_o they_o differ_v herein_o from_o many_o other_o godly_a minister_n in_o england_n which_o desire_v a_o reformation_n of_o the_o church_n as_o well_o as_o they_o when_o as_o i_o expostulate_v with_o d._n ames_n long_o since_o touch_v the_o publish_n of_o that_o treatise_n of_o english_a puritanisme_n and_o complain_v of_o wrong_n do_v unto_o many_o silence_a minister_n who_o do_v not_o hold_v such_o opinion_n as_o be_v contain_v in_o that_o book_n his_o excuse_n be_v that_o they_o do_v not_o assirme_v those_o to_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o all_o but_o only_o of_o the_o rigide_a sort_n of_o those_o that_o be_v call_v puritan_n and_o that_o so_o much_o be_v specify_v in_o the_o title_n of_o that_o book_n and_o again_o in_o the_o preface_n of_o that_o book_n those_o opinion_n be_v say_v to_o be_v the_o worst_a that_o the_o worst_a of_o they_o hold_v and_o the_o person_n that_o do_v hold_v those_o peculiar_a opinion_n be_v there_o again_o distinguish_v from_o other_o by_o the_o title_n and_o name_n of_o rigid_a presbyterian_o now_o though_o these_o expression_n be_v not_o without_o some_o offence_n yet_o from_o hence_o it_o may_v appear_v that_o the_o author_n and_o publisher_n thereof_o be_v far_o from_o that_o slanderous_a disposition_n of_o mr_n can_n in_o charge_v those_o of_o different_a opinion_n to_o have_v change_v and_o alter_v their_o judgement_n when_o as_o he_o say_v 86._o say_v chu_n pl._n p._n 86._o time_n be_v when_o mr_n paget_n do_v esteem_v they_o to_o be_v a_o multitude_n of_o godly_a and_o learned_a minister_n and_o be_v or_o at_o least_o make_v show_v he_o be_v of_o their_o judgement_n and_o practice_n a_o unconscionable_a insinuation_n against_o i_o and_o afterward_o again_o he_o say_v 88_o say_v ib._n p._n 88_o mr_n paget_n have_v leave_v the_o way_n of_o non-conformitie_n yea_o and_o show_v himself_o to_o it_o a_o great_a adversary_n etc._n etc._n a_o gross_a slander_n whereas_o mr_n can_n say_v further_o touch_v the_o protestation_n of_o k._n supremacic_n that_o this_o book_n be_v 23._o be_v p._n 23._o set_v out_o under_o the_o name_n of_o all_o the_o unconformable_a minister_n in_o the_o realm_n this_o be_v a_o notable_a falsehood_n for_o neither_o be_v the_o word_n all_o use_v in_o the_o title_n of_o that_o protestation_n make_v in_o the_o name_n of_o afflict_a minister_n indefinite_o neither_o can_v it_o ever_o be_v prove_v that_o all_o those_o minister_n do_v ever_o consent_v unto_o that_o opinion_n there_o specify_v and_o allege_v by_o he_o viz._n we_o confine_v and_o bind_v all_o ecclesiastical_a power_n within_o the_o limit_n only_o of_o one_o particular_a congregation_n etc._n etc._n three_o as_o for_o mr_n bradshaw_n that_o write_v the_o forename_a protestation_n &_o that_o book_n of_o english_a puritanisme_n if_o he_o be_v such_o a_o one_o as_o mr_n can_n report_v he_o to_o be_v now_o after_o his_o death_n than_o be_v his_o testimony_n and_o his_o writing_n the_o less_o to_o be_v regard_v for_o he_o say_v of_o he_o that_o 217._o that_o necess_n of_o separ_fw-la p._n 217._o his_o proof_n be_v always_o beggarly_a i_o say_v or_o if_n and_o may_v be_v soes_z and_o do_v not_o in_o all_o his_o writing_n either_o direct_o or_o by_o sound_a consequence_n from_o the_o scripture_n confirm_v any_o one_o thing_n whereof_o he_o speak_v he_o accuse_v he_o there_o also_o of_o great_a hypocrisy_n in_o plead_v for_o many_o evil_n of_o which_o his_o judgement_n be_v well_o know_v to_o be_v whole_o otherwise_o and_o in_o the_o same_o place_n upon_o a_o if_o and_o a_o may_v be_v so_o which_o he_o have_v immediate_o condemn_v in_o other_o upon_o a_o report_n which_o he_o judge_v probable_a enough_o he_o compare_v he_o to_o baalam_n ass_n etc._n etc._n what_o mean_v mr_n can_n to_o allege_v such_o witness_n against_o i_o who_o he_o himself_o though_o indeed_o very_o unworthy_o have_v so_o describe_v as_o if_o they_o be_v not_o worthy_a to_o have_v any_o credit_n give_v unto_o they_o touch_v d._n ames_n &_o his_o judgement_n in_o this_o controversy_n somewhat_o different_o express_v in_o his_o several_a writing_n i_o have_v speak_v at_o large_a 106-111_a large_a p._n 106-111_a before_o in_o answer_n to_o mr_n dau._n his_o allegation_n as_o for_o mr_n hooker_n his_o argument_n 88_o argument_n ch._n pl._n p._n 88_o annex_v to_o his_o testimony_n be_v of_o no_o force_n against_o we_o see_v he_o conclude_v beside_o the_o question_n which_o be_v not_o of_o every_o particular_a church_n but_o of_o such_o as_o stand_v already_o in_o combination_n with_o a_o classis_fw-la concern_v the_o church_n in_o new-england_n mr_n can_v say_v 23._o say_v ib._n p._n 23._o this_o may_v not_o be_v forget_v whereas_o there_o be_v many_o hundred_o of_o our_o countryman_n in_o new-england_n they_o have_v not_o erect_v there_o any_o classical_a government_n but_o every_o particular_a church_n exercise_v she_o own_o i_o say_v within_o herself_o whole_o which_o be_v a_o sure_a argument_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o foreward_n professor_n in_o england_n approve_v not_o of_o this_o kind_n of_o government_n here_o plead_v for_o although_o he_o will_v feign_v have_v his_o reader_n to_o think_v so_o hereunto_o i_o answer_v 1._o what_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n in_o new-england_n be_v and_o whether_o they_o refuse_v the_o help_n of_o class_n and_o synod_n for_o the_o judgement_n and_o determination_n of_o their_o controversy_n according_a to_o the_o order_n of_o reform_a church_n here_o in_o europe_n i_o know_v not_o neither_o can_v i_o receive_v the_o testimony_n of_o mr_n can_n &_o his_o bare_a word_n for_o a_o sufficient_a evidence_n herein_o without_o some_o more_o authentic_a witness_n divers_a book_n have_v be_v publish_v touch_v the_o nature_n of_o that_o soil_n the_o fruit_n of_o the_o country_n &_o the_o manner_n of_o the_o wild_a people_n but_o touch_v the_o ecclesiastical_a government_n and_o discipline_n there_o practise_v i_o have_v as_o yet_o see_v no_o monument_n thereof_o it_o be_v probable_a enough_o that_o those_o separatist_n which_o have_v be_v of_o mr_n robinson_n company_n here_o at_o leyden_n in_o their_o plantation_n will_v observe_v their_o old_a order_n as_o near_o as_o they_o can_v and_o for_o some_o particular_a person_n beside_o i_o have_v hear_v of_o their_o inclination_n that_o way_n but_o that_o there_o shall_v be_v a_o general_a agreement_n &_o resolution_n against_o classical_a combination_n i_o hear_v not_o and_o ought_v therefore_o to_o suspend_v my_o judgement_n for_o the_o present_a touch_v their_o practice_n 11._o suppose_v every_o particular_a congregation_n in_o new-england_n be_v independent_a and_o subject_a to_o no_o other_o ecclesiastical_a government_n out_o of_o itself_o yet_o be_v this_o no_o sure_a argument_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o forward_a professor_n in_o england_n as_o mr_n can_n call_v they_o be_v general_o of_o the_o same_o opinion_n also_o see_v these_o in_o england_n may_v be_v ignorant_a of_o that_o which_o be_v do_v so_o far_o of_o yea_o so_o far_o as_o i_o can_v hear_v even_o such_o as_o have_v be_v diligent_a to_o inquire_v can_v yet_o get_v any_o certain_a information_n what_o order_n of_o government_n be_v resolve_v upon_o in_o new-england_n as_o for_o mr_n bates_n i_o can_v say_v nothing_o touch_v his_o assent_n or_o dissent_v in_o this_o point_n see_v i_o have_v not_o see_v his_o writing_n allege_v against_o we_o for_o the_o rest_n they_o be_v all_o notable_o abuse_v for_o the_o author_n of_o the_o reply_n unto_o d._n downame_n though_o he_o affirm_v that_o the_o administration_n of_o all_o church-matter_n at_o first_o be_v in_o every_o congregation_n the_o right_a in_o the_o church_n the_o execution_n in_o the_o presbytery_n thereof_o this_o do_v neither_o exclude_v the_o classis_fw-la in_o censure_v of_o the_o presbytery_n if_o they_o abuse_v their_o power_n nor_o hinder_v the_o presbytery_n from_o seek_v the_o help_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la in_o the_o exercise_n of_o their_o power_n in_o matter_n of_o doubt_n and_o difficulty_n the_o testimony_n out_o of_o the_o century_n d._n whitgift_n thomas_n bell_n there_o 104_o there_o repl._n par_fw-fr 2._o l._n 2._o p._n 104_o allege_v by_o the_o replyer_n be_v answer_v already_o in_o the_o several_a place_n which_o mr_n can_v have_v assign_v unto_o they_o in_o his_o writing_n where_o it_o have_v be_v show_v that_o in_o this_o controversy_n they_o be_v impertinent_a &_o do_v not_o prove_v any_o thing_n against_o we_o beside_o mr_n can_n have_v the_o less_o cause_n to_o allege_v this_o place_n in_o the_o foresay_a reply_n see_v the_o author_n in_o the_o very_a next_o page_n do_v approve_v
of_o that_o order_n which_o for_o election_n of_o church-officer_n be_v practise_v at_o geneva_n say_v 105._o say_v ibid._n p._n 105._o that_o it_o be_v religious_o and_o prudent_o observe_v mr_n can_n may_v there_o have_v see_v himself_o condemn_v under_o the_o name_n of_o morellius_n even_o by_o this_o reply_a also_o as_o well_o as_o by_o beza_n see_v it_o be_v as_o true_a of_o he_o as_o of_o the_o other_o that_o which_o be_v there_o say_v that_o he_o have_v presume_v by_o word_n and_o writing_n to_o reprehend_v that_o order_n etc._n etc._n our_o course_n be_v in_o substance_n the_o same_o and_o oppose_v by_o mr_n c._n in_o like_a manner_n as_o they_o be_v by_o morellius_n again_o in_o the_o 106._o the_o p._n 106._o next_o page_n the_o say_a author_n do_v express_o reject_v and_o detest_v that_o popular_a government_n practise_v among_o the_o brownist_n and_o plead_v for_o by_o mr_n can_n when_o have_v say_v that_o the_o people_n consent_n be_v not_o to_o be_v neglect_v in_o cause_n of_o great_a moment_n according_a to_o that_o which_o we_o teach_v and_o practice_v he_o add_v withal_o notwithstanding_o a_o mere_a democracie_n wherein_o all_o matter_n be_v handle_v of_o all_o aequato_fw-la jure_fw-la by_o a_o equal_a right_n we_o do_v no_o less_o detest_v than_o that_o usurp_a monarchy_n of_o lordly_a prelate_n which_o other_o reform_a church_n have_v abolish_v and_o afterward_o 113._o afterward_o p._n 113._o when_o he_o allow_v a_o pre-eminence_n for_o order_n sake_n unto_o some_o one_o to_o be_v the_o mouth_n of_o the_o rest_n in_o execute_v that_o which_o be_v by_o the_o whole_a presbytery_n decree_v and_o then_o explain_v that_o one_o to_o be_v the_o precedent_n of_o the_o presbyter_n that_o be_v to_o say_v in_o each_o congregation_n the_o pastor_n and_o in_o a_o synod_n or_o assembly_n of_o the_o pastor_n and_o presbyter_n of_o many_o church_n that_o one_o which_o with_o the_o consent_n and_o choice_n of_o his_o brethren_n moderate_v the_o action_n there_o be_v no_o reason_n why_o we_o shall_v not_o hence_o conclude_v his_o approbation_n of_o synod_n such_o as_o be_v and_o have_v be_v celebrate_v in_o well_o order_v church_n even_o such_o as_o do_v not_o only_o advise_v but_o also_o decree_v what_o be_v meet_v as_o he_o have_v say_v of_o the_o presbytery_n in_o general_n as_o for_o the_o other_o place_n allege_v out_o of_o this_o author_n i_o refer_v the_o reader_n unto_o that_o which_o i_o have_v say_v 116.117_o say_v p._n 116.117_o before_o touch_v the_o same_o in_o my_o answer_n to_o mr_n davenport_n mr_n parker_n next_o allege_v speak_v down_o right_a in_o this_o thing_n say_v mr_n can_n the_o word_n cite_v out_o of_o mr_n parker_n be_v these_o all_o ecclesiastical_a power_n be_v always_o in_o the_o whole_a congregation_n from_o hence_o it_o flow_v as_o from_o the_o fountain_n and_o to_o the_o same_o it_o return_v as_o to_o the_o sea_n for_o answer_v hereunto_o 1._o this_o testimony_n here_o allege_v by_o mr_n c._n be_v not_o only_o cite_v amiss_o viz._n pol._n eccl._n l._n 3._o c._n 6._o instead_o of_o c._n 8._o p._n 28._o and_o some_o word_n also_o unjust_o add_v by_o he_o unto_o the_o testimony_n to_o make_v it_o seem_v more_o full_a for_o his_o purpose_n but_o be_v take_v as_o he_o set_v it_o down_o it_o do_v not_o infringe_v the_o authority_n of_o class_n and_o synod_n for_o though_o all_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n be_v say_v to_o flow_v from_o the_o church_n as_o from_o a_o fountain_n this_o hinder_v not_o but_o rather_o show_v how_o power_n may_v be_v and_o be_v derive_v unto_o class_n when_o particular_a church_n as_o fountain_n do_v by_o deputation_n and_o delegation_n send_v forth_o a_o stream_n of_o authority_n and_o power_n in_o classical_a and_o synodall_n assembly_n in_o such_o manner_n as_o mr_n parker_n himself_o do_v afterward_o etc._n afterward_o pol._n eccl_n l._n 3_o c._n 13._o etc._n etc._n 23_o 24_o 25_o etc._n etc._n often_o show_v unto_o his_o reader_n ii_o for_o the_o downright_a speech_n of_o mr_n parker_n wherein_o mr_n can_n glori_v i_o desire_v the_o reader_n that_o understand_v to_o review_v those_o passage_n which_o i_o have_v 89-105_a have_v p._n 89-105_a before_o note_v at_o large_a out_o of_o mr_n parker_n book_n &_o they_o that_o be_v able_a to_o look_v upon_o those_o place_n in_o the_o book_n itself_o and_o then_o to_o judge_v whether_o mr_n can_v be_v not_o either_o very_o blind_a in_o allege_v the_o testimony_n of_o learned_a man_n when_o he_o know_v not_o what_o they_o say_v or_o else_o very_o impudent_a and_o dishonest_a in_o corrupt_v and_o pervert_v their_o testimony_n contrary_a to_o their_o meaning_n as_o for_o mr_n baines_n he_o be_v confuse_o allege_v viz._n diocese_n trial_n conclus_fw-la 4._o for_o whereas_o in_o that_o book_n there_o be_v often_o mention_v of_o conclus_fw-la 4._o who_o can_v tell_v what_o place_n he_o mean_n the_o truth_n be_v that_o none_o of_o those_o four_o conclusion_n in_o any_o part_n of_o his_o book_n do_v by_o any_o word_n impeach_v the_o authority_n of_o class_n or_o synod_n but_o on_o the_o contrary_a in_o that_o his_o writing_n he_o give_v plain_a and_o evident_a testimony_n of_o his_o agreement_n with_o we_o as_o i_o have_v 111-116_a have_v p._n 111-116_a already_o sufficient_o declare_v come_v we_o now_o to_o the_o testimony_n 23._o testimony_n chu_n pl._n p._n 23._o allege_v in_o the_o name_n of_o d._n fulke_o who_o mr_n can_v praise_v to_o be_v a_o man_n famous_a and_o of_o rare_a learning_n they_o object_n unto_o i_o that_o he_o say_v 84._o say_v learned_a discourse_n of_o eccl._n gou._n p._n 84._o there_o aught_o to_o be_v in_o every_o church_n a_o eldership_n which_o ought_v to_o have_v the_o hear_n examination_n and_o determine_v of_o all_o matter_n pertain_v to_o the_o discipline_n &_o government_n of_o that_o congregation_n hereunto_o i_o answer_v that_o such_o authority_n be_v to_o be_v exercise_v by_o the_o eldership_n yet_o so_o as_o that_o the_o judgement_n and_o consent_n of_o the_o congregation_n in_o weighty_a matter_n be_v not_o exclude_v and_o so_o also_o that_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la or_o synod_n be_v not_o refuse_v or_o deny_v this_o author_n will_v have_v the_o eldership_n to_o determine_v all_o matter_n if_o they_o be_v able_a to_o do_v it_o &_o so_o he_o expound_v himself_o show_v afterward_o that_o there_o be_v divers_a matter_n which_o the_o eldership_n be_v not_o able_a by_o themselves_o to_o finish_v without_o help_n of_o a_o synod_n and_o because_o mr_n can_n in_o the_o margin_n of_o his_o book_n set_v his_o mark_n over_o against_o this_o place_n desire_v we_o to_o note_v this_o so_o i_o desire_v both_o he_o and_o other_o to_o note_v well_o what_o this_o author_n write_v concern_v the_o authoriy_n necessity_n and_o use_v of_o synod_n i_o be_o glad_a to_o hear_v mr_n c._n to_o give_v so_o great_a commendation_n unto_o this_o indeed_o learned_a author_n who_o be_v so_o pregnant_a a_o witness_n for_o i_o and_o for_o synod_n against_o the_o brownist_n this_o be_v that_o which_o he_o 82.83_o he_o ibid._n p._n 82.83_o say_v see_v our_o saviour_n christ_n promise_v his_o presence_n and_o authority_n to_o every_o church_n indifferent_o matt._n 18.19.20_o none_o may_v challenge_v any_o such_o prerogative_n afore_o other_o but_o as_o the_o church_n be_v limit_v out_o for_o order_n and_o conveniency_n so_o be_v every_o one_o of_o they_o of_o like_a authority_n in_o itself_o but_o because_o they_o make_v all_o but_o one_o church_n and_o one_o body_n of_o christ_n therefore_o there_o be_v but_o one_o authority_n in_o they_o to_o determine_v of_o matter_n concern_v they_o all_o by_o which_o there_o appear_v to_o be_v a_o double_a authority_n of_o the_o pastor_n one_o with_o the_o several_a congregation_n in_o which_o he_o be_v pastor_n the_o other_o with_o the_o whole_a synod_n or_o assembly_n whereof_o he_o be_v a_o member_n and_o both_o these_o authority_n we_o find_v sufficient_o authorise_v in_o the_o scripture_n etc._n etc._n again_o 112._o again_o ibid._n p._n 111._o 112._o there_o be_v a_o double_a authority_n of_o the_o pastor_n the_o one_o join_v with_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n whereof_o he_o be_v pastor_n the_o other_o with_o the_o synod_n or_o holy_a assembly_n whereof_o he_o be_v a_o member_n there_o arise_v oftentimes_o in_o the_o church_n divers_a controversy_n which_o can_v otherwise_o be_v express_v pertain_v to_o the_o state_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n then_o by_o a_o general_a assembly_n of_o all_o the_o pastor_n of_o that_o church_n which_o be_v call_v a_o synod_n or_o general_n council_n also_o there_o be_v divers_a case_n wherein_o the_o several_a church_n be_v drive_v to_o pray_v the_o aid_n of_o the_o synod_n where_o matter_n can_v be_v determine_v among_o themselves_o for_o this_o cause_n the_o holy_a ghost_n
that_o etc._n that_o ibid._n p._n 109_o 110_o etc._n etc._n book_n and_o approve_v by_o these_o minister_n be_v most_o of_o they_o and_o general_o the_o very_a same_o that_o be_v observe_v in_o the_o class_n and_o synod_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n in_o these_o unite_a province_n of_o the_o netherlands_o where_o we_o live_v and_o where_o our_o english_a church_n be_v combine_v with_o they_o in_o the_o same_o ecclesiastical_a government_n the_o agreement_n and_o consent_n of_o these_o man_n in_o their_o desire_n of_o class_n and_o synod_n according_a to_o the_o order_n and_o practice_v observe_v also_o in_o scotland_n &_o at_o geneva_n be_v therefore_o by_o the_o recorder_n thereof_o note_v &_o style_v over_o the_o head_n of_o many_o page_n in_o that_o book_n english_a genevate_a for_o reformation_n and_o again_o english_a scottize_v for_o discipline_n by_o practice_n even_o these_o reproach_n do_v just_o serve_v for_o the_o reproof_n of_o mr_n can_n who_o deny_v that_o which_o other_o opposite_n do_v willing_o acknowledge_v three_o the_o very_a brownist_n themselves_o be_v wont_a of_o old_a to_o acknowledge_v that_o the_o not-conforming_a minister_n in_o england_n do_v stand_v for_o class_n and_o synod_n though_o with_o great_a scorn_n &_o reproach_n they_o speak_v of_o synod_n yet_o that_o very_a scorn_n and_o reproach_n be_v a_o witness_n against_o mr_n can._n and_o w._n b._n to_o show_v the_o consent_n of_o former_a time_n with_o i_o hen._n barow_n speak_v of_o the_o censure_n of_o evil_a and_o condemn_v both_o conformist_n and_o nonconformist_n together_o he_o say_v 165._o say_v h._n bar._n discov_n of_o false_a chur._n p._n 165._o yea_o all_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o land_n both_o pontifical_a and_o reformist_n agree_v in_o this_o point_n &_o conclude_v that_o the_o lay_v people_n as_o they_o term_v they_o ought_v not_o to_o intermeddle_v either_o with_o the_o depose_n their_o minister_n or_o reproof_n of_o his_o doctrine_n the_o one_o sort_n say_v he_o send_v they_o to_o their_o lord_n these_o bishop_n the_o other_o refer_v they_o over_o for_o these_o and_o many_o other_o case_n under_o hand_n to_o a_o provincial_n or_o classical_a synod_n or_o permanent_a council_n of_o priest_n etc._n etc._n among_o who_o all_o these_o affair_n must_v be_v debate_v and_o after_o they_o be_v agree_v upon_o the_o point_n than_o their_o decree_n to_o be_v bring_v forth_o solemn_o publish_v and_o pronounce_v to_o the_o people_n who_o must_v attend_v upon_o wait_v and_o receive_v these_o oracle_n as_o most_o holy_a and_o canonical_a they_o have_v no_o remedy_n if_o they_o also_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o truth_n but_o to_o appeal_v to_o a_o council_n etc._n etc._n and_o this_o he_o call_v a_o devilish_a forgery_n etc._n etc._n after_o that_o to_o like_a purpose_n he_o say_v 169._o say_v ibid._n p._n 169._o these_o priest_n they_o will_v not_o only_o not_o submit_v their_o person_n and_o doctrine_n to_o the_o censure_n of_o the_o church_n where_o they_o administer_v for_o they_o must_v have_v a_o jury_n of_o clerk_n a_o classis_fw-la of_o priest_n to_o go_v upon_o they_o but_o they_o bind_v their_o poor_a church_n to_o their_o lip_n &_o build_v it_o upon_o themselves_o and_o with_o their_o blaze_a light_n strike_v all_o the_o rest_n of_o their_o hearer_n &_o follower_n stark_o blind_a again_o 170._o again_o p._n 169_o 170._o by_o their_o prophetical_a conventicle_n and_o classical_a synod_n they_o assume_v into_o their_o own_o hand_n the_o key_n of_o all_o knowledge_n and_o shut_v up_o the_o scripture_n yea_o all_o god_n grace_n even_o the_o holy_a ghost_n itself_o among_o themselves_o in_o these_o their_o school_n of_o prophet_n as_o also_o into_o their_o class_n of_o select_a priest_n the_o sceptre_n of_o christ_n and_o absolute_a government_n of_o all_o church_n to_o who_o it_o be_v leave_v but_o to_o receive_v and_o execute_v the_o reverend_a decree_n of_o this_o famous_a classis_fw-la of_o priest_n in_o another_o place_n have_v tell_v how_o the_o pontifical_n have_v open_v their_o mouth_n unto_o accurse_a blasphemy_n than_o he_o return_v unto_o the_o reformist_n and_o speak_v on_o this_o wise_a 190._o wise_a p._n 189_o 190._o the_o pharisee_n of_o these_o time_n i_o mean_v these_o your_o great_a learned_a preacher_n your_o good_a man_n that_o sigh_v and_o groan_v for_o reformation_n but_o their_o hand_n with_o the_o sluggard_n deny_v to_o work_v these_o counterfeit_n will_v raise_v up_o a_o second_o error_n even_o as_o a_o second_o beast_n by_o so_o much_o more_o dangerous_a by_o how_o much_o it_o have_v more_o show_n of_o the_o truth_n these_o man_n instead_o of_o this_o gross_a antichristian_a government_n which_o be_v now_o manifest_a and_o odious_a unto_o all_o man_n will_v bring_v in_o a_o new_a adulterate_a forge_a government_n in_o show_n or_o rather_o in_o despite_n of_o christ_n bless_a government_n which_o they_o in_o the_o pride_n rashness_n ignorance_n and_o sensuality_n of_o their_o fleshly_a heart_n most_o miserable_o innovate_v corrupt_a and_o pervert_v etc._n etc._n the_o thing_n itself_o they_o innovate_v and_o corrupt_v in_o that_o they_o add_v new_a devise_n of_o their_o own_o as_o their_o pastoral_a suspension_n from_o their_o sacrament_n their_o set_a continue_a synod_n their_o select_a class_n of_o minister_n their_o settle_a supreme_a council_n etc._n etc._n that_o which_o mr_n johnson_n and_o other_o with_o he_o do_v require_v be_v more_o general_a and_o ambiguous_a viz._n 64._o viz._n apol._n of_o brown_n pet._n 3_o pos_fw-la 9_o p._n 64._o that_o the_o church_n be_v not_o govern_v by_o popish_a canon_n court_n class_n custom_n or_o any_o humane_a invention_n but_o by_o the_o law_n and_o rule_n which_o christ_n have_v appoint_v in_o his_o testament_n but_o that_o which_o h._n barow_n write_v be_v more_o plain_a and_o more_o particular_o apply_v to_o the_o minister_n of_o england_n who_o he_o call_v the_o reformist_n of_o they_o he_o say_v 191._o say_v discov_n p._n 191._o their_o permanent_a synod_n &_o counsel_n also_o which_o they_o will_v erect_v not_o here_o to_o speak_v of_o their_o new_a dutch_a class_n for_o therein_o be_v a_o secret_a shall_v only_o consist_v of_o priest_n or_o minister_n as_o they_o term_v they_o people_n of_o the_o church_n be_v shut_v out_o &_o neither_o be_v make_v acquaint_v with_o the_o matter_n debate_v there_o neither_o have_v free_a voice_n in_o those_o synod_n and_o counsel_n but_o must_v receive_v and_o obey_v without_o contradiction_n whatsoever_o those_o learned_a priest_n shall_v decree_v these_o synod_n and_o counsel_n shall_v have_v absolute_a power_n over_o all_o church_n doctrine_n &_o minister_n to_o erect_v ratify_v or_o abrogate_v to_o excommunicate_v or_o depose_v at_o their_o pleasure_n their_o decree_n be_v most_o holy_a without_o controlment_n unless_o it_o be_v by_o the_o prince_n or_o the_o high_a court_n of_o parliament_n not_o here_o to_o speak_v of_o their_o solemn_a order_n observe_v in_o these_o council_n and_o synod_n as_o their_o choice_n by_o suffrage_n among_o themselves_o of_o their_o archisynagogon_n or_o rector_n chori_n their_o precedent_n as_o they_o call_v he_o propounder_n or_o moderator_n of_o their_o council_n about_o which_o their_o predecessor_n have_v have_v no_o small_a stir_n until_o their_o holy_a father_n the_o pope_n put_v a_o end_n to_o the_o strife_n by_o get_v the_o chair_n this_o stuff_n they_o will_v bring_v in_o again_o under_o colour_n of_o reformation_n these_o and_o many_o more_o their_o leaven_a corrupt_a writing_n of_o discipline_n and_o their_o supplication_n unto_o the_o parliament_n declare_v etc._n etc._n again_o he_o say_v 193_o say_v ib._n p._n 193_o these_o reformist_n howsoever_o for_o fashion_n sake_n they_o give_v the_o people_n a_o little_a liberty_n to_o sweeten_v their_o mouth_n and_o make_v they_o believe_v that_o they_o shall_v choose_v their_o own_o minister_n for_o further_a right_n in_o the_o censure_a their_o minister_n or_o in_o the_o order_n the_o affair_n of_o their_o church_n they_o allow_v not_o as_o have_v be_v say_v yet_o even_o in_o this_o pretend_a choice_n do_v they_o cozen_v &_o beguile_v they_o also_o leave_v they_o nothing_o but_o the_o smoky_a windy_a title_n of_o election_n only_o enjoin_v they_o to_o choose_v some_o university_n clerk_n one_o of_o these_o college_n bird_n of_o their_o own_o brood_n or_o else_o come_v a_o synod_n in_o the_o neck_n of_o they_o &_o annihilate_v the_o election_n whatsoever_o it_o be_v they_o have_v also_o a_o trick_n to_o stop_v it_o before_o it_o come_v so_o far_o namely_o in_o the_o ordination_n which_o must_v forsooth_o need_v be_v do_v by_o other_o priest_n for_o the_o church_n that_o choose_v he_o have_v no_o power_n to_o ordain_v he_o and_o this_o make_v the_o mother_n church_n of_o geneva_n and_o the_o dutch_a class_n i_o dare_v not_o say_v the_o secret_a class_n in_o england_n to_o make_v minister_n for_o we_o in_o
christ_n from_o have_v a_o key_n of_o power_n in_o the_o judgement_n of_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n have_v he_o prove_v that_o the_o title_n of_o the_o church_n belong_v only_o to_o a_o particular_a congregation_n in_o the_o full_a assembly_n thereof_o and_o not_o at_o all_o unto_o a_o synod_n than_o have_v it_o be_v something_o to_o the_o purpose_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n nothing_o and_o that_o the_o mind_n of_o augustine_n be_v otherwise_o it_o appear_v by_o the_o great_a approbation_n which_o he_o 3._o he_o epist_n ad_fw-la januar._n ep._n 118._o de_fw-fr bapt._n cont_n don._n l._n 2._o c._n 3._o give_v unto_o the_o use_n and_o authority_n of_o synod_n as_o be_v most_o wholesome_a in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n d._n whitaker_n 497_o whitaker_n depont_n rom._n q._n 4._o p._n 484._o &_o 497_o allege_v often_o the_o presence_n of_o augustine_n at_o divers_a synod_n and_o it_o be_v record_v in_o the_o act_n of_o the_o three_o council_n of_o carthage_n where_o augustine_n be_v both_o present_a and_o subscribe_v with_o the_o rest_n unto_o the_o decree_n which_o be_v then_o agree_v upon_o 867._o upon_o magdeb._n cent._n 4._o c._n 9_o co_fw-la 866_o 867._o that_o there_o shall_v be_v keep_v a_o yearly_a synod_n unto_o which_o they_o be_v to_o repair_v out_o of_o divers_a province_n that_o those_o which_o have_v controversy_n with_o other_o be_v call_v unto_o the_o yearly_a synod_n do_v refuse_v to_o come_v shall_v be_v hold_v guilty_a and_o be_v exclude_v from_o the_o communion_n or_o excommunicate_v and_o it_o be_v etc._n be_v ib._n col._n 870_o etc._n etc._n note_v further_a that_o the_o like_a decree_n be_v make_v at_o another_o synod_n hold_v at_o hippo_n the_o place_n where_o augustine_n live_v and_o that_o the_o same_o decree_n be_v again_o confirm_v by_o another_o synod_n at_o carthage_n hence_o it_o appear_v that_o augustine_n as_o well_o as_o other_o in_o his_o time_n do_v hold_v that_o the_o cause_n of_o particular_a congregation_n be_v to_o be_v judge_v &_o decide_v by_o another_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o after_o augustine_n he_o allege_v chrysostome_n who_o name_n be_v also_o abuse_v for_o confirmation_n of_o this_o opinion_n for_o i._o chrysostome_n in_o the_o place_n allege_v viz._n de_fw-fr sacerd_v l._n 3._o c._n 4._o speak_v of_o no_o such_o matter_n as_o he_o pretend_v in_o that_o whole_a three_o book_n i_o find_v no_o one_o word_n against_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n and_o for_o the_o four_o chapter_n which_o mr_n c._n allege_v there_o be_v in_o the_o best_a edition_n of_o chrysostome_n no_o such_o chapter_n they_o be_v not_o at_o all_o distinguish_v into_o any_o chapter_n and_o where_o there_o be_v a_o division_n of_o chapter_n find_v yet_o there_o be_v no_o such_o matter_n to_o be_v find_v in_o that_o four_o chapter_n mr_n can_n it_o seem_v never_o read_v the_o author_n he_o allege_v for_o will_v he_o then_o have_v so_o false_o cite_v they_o ii_o chrysostome_n be_v plain_a for_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n for_o speak_v of_o the_o honour_n due_a unto_o the_o deputy_n or_o messenger_n of_o the_o church_n in_o synod_n he_o say_v the_o apostle_n 8.24_o apostle_n in_o 2._o cor._n 8.24_o make_v his_o speech_n more_o terrible_a say_v in_o the_o sight_n of_o the_o church_n he_o say_v it_o for_o the_o glory_n of_o the_o church_n for_o their_o honour_n for_o if_o you_o honour_v they_o you_o shall_v honour_v the_o church_n which_o send_v they_o etc._n etc._n and_o then_o he_o conclude_v this_o shall_v be_v no_o small_a matter_n for_o great_a be_v the_o power_n of_o a_o synod_n that_o be_v of_o the_o church_n iii_o when_o as_o a_o wrongful_a sentence_n have_v be_v give_v against_o chrysostome_n be_v unjust_o procure_v by_o theophilus_n bishop_n of_o alexandria_n he_o then_o innocent_n then_o tom._n 5._o epist_n ad_fw-la innocent_n appeal_v unto_o a_o synod_n of_o many_o bishop_n both_o before_o and_o after_o the_o sentence_n be_v pronounce_v the_o sum_n of_o his_o defence_n afterward_o be_v this_o that_o he_o be_v willing_a to_o be_v judge_v by_o a_o synod_n and_o he_o complain_v that_o his_o adversary_n deal_v with_o he_o contrary_a to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n in_o those_o canon_n it_o have_v be_v oft_o decree_v that_o there_o shall_v be_v liberty_n of_o appeal_n unto_o synod_n iv_o when_o bellarmine_n plead_v for_o the_o pope_n authority_n allege_v the_o request_n of_o chrysostome_n unto_o innocentius_n bishop_n of_o rome_n desire_v he_o to_o write_v for_o he_o that_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v unjust_o do_v against_o he_o may_v not_o prevail_v etc._n etc._n chamierus_n expound_v the_o word_n of_o chrysostome_n 23_o chrysostome_n panstra_fw-la cath._n tom._n 2._o l._n 13._o c._n 23_o distinguish_v betwixt_o admonition_n and_o give_v of_o sentence_n and_o show_v that_o chrysostome_n desire_v a_o admonition_n shall_v be_v give_v by_o innocentius_n but_o that_o he_o expect_v sentence_n from_o a_o synod_n chamier_n say_v this_o be_v confirm_v to_o be_v his_o meaning_n because_o he_o appeal_v to_o the_o synod_n etc._n etc._n and_o hereby_o he_o express_o and_o distinct_o confess_v that_o synod_n have_v jurisdiction_n to_o give_v sentence_n and_o not_o only_o a_o liberty_n of_o admonish_v v._o when_o after_o this_o chrysostome_n 14._o chrysostome_n socr._n hist_o eccl._n l._n 6._o c._n 14._o have_v be_v both_o depose_v from_o his_o place_n and_o banish_v out_o of_o the_o city_n be_v yet_o call_v back_o by_o the_o emperor_n from_o his_o banishment_n and_o be_v by_o the_o people_n desire_v to_o enter_v upon_o his_o ministry_n again_o he_o profess_v he_o may_v not_o do_v it_o until_o his_o cause_n be_v further_o examine_v &_o he_o prove_v innocent_a by_o great_a judge_n or_o in_o a_o great_a judicatory_a 16._o judicatory_a edit_fw-la gr_n r._n steph._n l._n 6._o c._n 16._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d wherein_o he_o acknowledge_v a_o power_n of_o synod_n not_o only_o above_o a_o particular_a congregation_n but_o also_o of_o one_o synod_n above_o another_o as_o of_o a_o general_n synod_n above_o a_o nationall_n or_o provincial_n etc._n etc._n vi_o the_o mind_n of_o chrysostome_n touch_v church-government_n may_v further_o be_v know_v to_o we_o by_o this_o that_o he_o 18._o he_o in_o matt._n 18._o will_v have_v those_o word_n tell_v the_o church_n to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o precedent_n or_o governor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o again_o speak_v of_o priest_n or_o bishop_n the_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n he_o thus_o describe_v their_o special_a power_n basil_n power_n de_n sacerd_v l._n 3._o col._n 508._o edit_fw-la basil_n it_o be_v grant_v unto_o they_o to_o dispense_v the_o thing_n that_o be_v in_o heaven_n power_n be_v give_v unto_o they_o which_o god_n will_v not_o have_v to_o be_v give_v either_o unto_o angel_n or_o archangel_n for_o it_o be_v not_o say_v unto_o they_o whatsoever_o you_o bind_v on_o earth_n shall_v be_v bind_v in_o heaven_n and_o whatsoever_o you_o lose_v on_o earth_n shall_v be_v loose_v in_o heaven_n earthly_a prince_n have_v also_o the_o power_n of_o bind_v but_o of_o the_o body_n only_o but_o that_o bind_v by_o the_o priest_n whereof_o i_o speak_v remain_v unto_o the_o soul_n &_o come_v up_o to_o the_o heaven_n so_o that_o whatsoever_o the_o priest_n do_v below_o that_o god_n ratify_v above_o &_o the_o lord_n confirm_v the_o sentence_n of_o his_o servant_n what_o else_o can_v you_o say_v this_o to_o be_v but_o that_o all_o power_n of_o heavenly_a thing_n be_v grant_v unto_o they_o of_o god_n for_o the_o say_v who_o sin_n you_o retain_v they_o be_v retain_v what_o power_n i_o pray_v you_o can_v be_v great_a than_o this_o one_o the_o next_o pervert_v witness_n be_v basil_n touch_v who_o observe_v i._o their_o threefold_a false_a allegation_n in_o cite_v three_o several_a book_n of_o he_o viz._n constit_fw-la monach._n l._n 4._o 14._o &_o 6.2_o &_o 7._o c._n 35._o whereas_o basil_n write_v only_o one_o book_n with_o such_o a_o title_n and_o as_o for_o the_o 4_o 6_o t_z &_o 7_o here_o mention_v by_o mr_n c._n there_o be_v none_o such_o what_o gross_a deal_n be_v this_o ii_o suppose_v it_o be_v the_o printer_n fault_n that_o these_o book_n be_v thus_o misalledge_v and_o that_o it_o be_v but_o mr_n cannes_n oversight_n to_o let_v they_o pass_v without_o correction_n yet_o even_o for_o that_o one_o book_n of_o monastical_a constitution_n which_o basil_n do_v write_v therein_o also_o be_v nothing_o to_o be_v find_v against_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n nor_o any_o such_o matter_n as_o mr_n c._n pretend_v it_o be_v a_o great_a forgery_n and_o abuse_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n thus_o to_o pretend_v the_o veil_n of_o their_o authority_n for_o cover_v of_o error_n when_o as_o the_o place_n pretend_v have_v not_o a_o word_n sound_v to_o such_o purpose_n iii_o that_o basil_n allow_v
the_o authority_n of_o synod_n for_o the_o judgement_n of_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n it_o appear_v both_o by_o the_o praise_n which_o he_o 78._o he_o basil_n magn._fw-la epi._n 60._o &_o 78._o give_v unto_o the_o nicene_n synod_n &_o that_o for_o the_o censure_v of_o heretic_n which_o be_v a_o act_n of_o jurisdiction_n and_o not_o of_o admonition_n or_o counsel_n only_o and_o again_o in_o that_o he_o complain_v unto_o his_o great_a friend_n nazianzen_n touch_v the_o intermission_n of_o synodall_n assembly_n and_o say_v 33._o say_v ep._n 33._o if_o we_o have_v yearly_a meet_v often_o together_o both_o according_a to_o the_o ancient_a canon_n and_o according_a to_o that_o care_n and_o solicitude_n which_o we_o owe_v unto_o the_o church_n certain_o we_o have_v never_o open_v a_o door_n unto_o slanderer_n and_o again_o write_v unto_o athanasius_n touch_v such_o meeting_n he_o call_v they_o 48._o they_o eâ—_n 48._o the_o way_n of_o help_n for_o trouble_a church_n thus_o also_o do_v the_o centurist_n 522_o centurist_n cent._n 4._o c._n 7._o col_fw-fr 522_o understand_v he_o and_o allege_v his_o testimony_n to_o show_v the_o consociation_n of_o many_o church_n in_o synod_n in_o that_o age_n the_o author_n next_o object_v be_v also_o misalledged_a the_o letter_n of_o reference_n in_o the_o line_n lead_v we_o unto_o a_o book_n in_o the_o margin_n which_o be_v not_o write_v by_o socrates_n and_o what_o place_n he_o therefore_o intend_v in_o socrates_n he_o must_v tell_v we_o another_o time_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n let_v it_o be_v remember_v that_o this_o ecclesiastical_a historiographer_n do_v plain_o and_o plentiful_o record_v against_o my_o opposite_n that_o the_o cause_n and_o controversy_n arise_v in_o particular_a church_n be_v judge_v by_o another_o superior_a ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o to_o wit_n by_o the_o authority_n of_o many_o church_n concur_v by_o their_o deputy_n in_o synod_n this_o he_o show_v in_o the_o 5_o the_o hist_o ecc._n l._n 1._o c._n 5_o condemnation_n of_o arius_n by_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a in_o the_o 24._o the_o l._n 2._o c._n 24._o deprivation_n of_o photinus_n by_o the_o synod_n of_o siâ—mium_n in_o the_o 33._o the_o l._n 7._o c._n 33._o deposition_n of_o nestorius_n by_o the_o council_n hold_v at_o ephesus_n and_o in_o many_o other_o the_o like_a instance_n if_o happy_o he_o intend_v those_o place_n misapply_v unto_o basil_n in_o the_o former_a quotation_n he_o be_v not_o thereby_o excuse_v see_v in_o the_o first_o place_n viz._n l._n 4._o c._n 14._o there_o be_v nothing_o at_o all_o speak_v of_o this_o matter_n and_o in_o the_o two_o latter_a viz._n l._n 6._o 2._o &_o 7._o 35._o socrates_n again_o declare_v the_o authority_n of_o synod_n in_o those_o time_n isidorus_n it_o seem_v must_v own_v the_o quotation_n lib._n de_fw-la offic._n which_v by_o the_o marginal_a note_n be_v assign_v to_o socrates_n he_o have_v write_v two_o book_n concern_v ecclesiastical_a office_n these_o mr_n can_v cite_v at_o large_a without_o specify_v either_o book_n or_o chapter_n but_o in_o those_o book_n of_o isidorus_n as_o there_o be_v many_o thing_n which_o mr_n c._n will_v not_o be_v bind_v to_o approve_v so_o there_o be_v nothing_o that_o with_o any_o show_n of_o reason_n can_v be_v apply_v against_o the_o authority_n of_o class_n and_o synod_n on_o the_o contrary_a we_o may_v just_o infer_v that_o he_o do_v not_o there_o restrain_v all_o ecclesiastical_a power_n unto_o a_o particular_a congregation_n as_o from_o many_o other_o so_o especial_o from_o these_o his_o word_n 6_o word_n de_fw-fr offi._n ecc._n l._n 2._o c._n 6_o moreover_o that_o a_o bishop_n be_v not_o ordain_v of_o one_o but_o of_o all_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o province_n this_o be_v acknowledge_v to_o be_v appoint_v because_o of_o heresy_n lest_o by_o the_o tyrannical_a authority_n of_o some_o one_o ordain_v they_o shall_v attempt_v any_o thing_n against_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n therefore_o they_o all_o concur_v he_o be_v confirm_v and_o no_o less_o than_o three_o be_v present_a the_o rest_n consent_v by_o the_o testimony_n of_o their_o letter_n again_o for_o other_o of_o his_o writing_n to_o show_v his_o judgement_n in_o this_o point_n this_o isidorus_n be_v etc._n be_v cus_n de_fw-fr conc._n cath._n l._n 2._o c._n 3._o etc._n etc._n say_v to_o have_v make_v a_o collection_n of_o all_o the_o synod_n that_o be_v before_o his_o time_n which_o book_n be_v 147._o be_v council_n tom._n 2._o p._n 146_o 147._o allege_v in_o a_o synodall_n epistle_n of_o the_o council_n of_o basil_n to_o prove_v the_o authority_n of_o counsel_n above_o the_o pope_n for_o his_o practice_n he_o be_v 513._o be_v magdeb._n cent._n â—_o col_fw-fr 261-287_a &_o 513._o record_v to_o have_v be_v precedent_n of_o a_o synod_n at_o sevill_n in_o spain_n be_v he_o be_v bishop_n and_o as_o some_o relate_v of_o two_o other_o at_o toledo_n wherein_o appear_v divers_a act_n of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n in_o the_o exercise_n whereof_o he_o join_v with_o other_o after_o the_o manner_n of_o synodall_n proceed_n bernard_n be_v in_o like_a manner_n misalledge_v through_o want_n of_o attention_n &_o diligence_n not_o only_o by_o a_o wrong_a note_n of_o reference_n but_o by_o a_o defective_a mention_n of_o his_o writing_n ad_fw-la eugen._n for_o bernard_n have_v write_v 5_o book_n of_o consideration_n ad_fw-la eugen._n and_o beside_o they_o more_o than_o 30_o epistle_n ad_fw-la eugen._n he_o do_v not_o specify_v which_o of_o these_o book_n or_o which_o of_o these_o epistle_n he_o mean_v but_o whether_o we_o consider_v those_o book_n or_o epistle_n we_o find_v bernard_n in_o extremity_n opposite_a to_o mr_n can_v give_v power_n not_o only_o unto_o synod_n as_o the_o ancient_a father_n before_o mention_v but_o even_o to_o the_o pope_n himself_o to_o judge_v the_o cause_n of_o all_o church_n for_o live_v in_o a_o time_n of_o great_a blindenes_n and_o height_n of_o popery_n when_o the_o smoke_n of_o the_o bottomless_a pit_n have_v darken_v the_o sun_n and_o the_o air_n he_o be_v lead_v aside_o through_o ignorance_n to_o exalt_v antichrist_n and_o write_v unto_o pope_n eugenius_n that_o have_v be_v his_o disciple_n he_o give_v he_o these_o most_o ambitious_a title_n and_o 8._o and_o de_fw-fr consi_fw-la ad_fw-la eugen._n l._n 2._o c._n 8._o call_v he_o the_o great_a priest_n the_o supreme_a high_a priest_n the_o prince_n of_o bishop_n the_o heir_n of_o the_o apostle_n abel_n in_o primacy_n noah_n in_o government_n abraham_n in_o patriarkship_n melchisedek_n in_o order_n aaron_z in_o dignity_n moses_n in_o authority_n samuel_n in_o judgement_n peter_n in_o power_n christ_n in_o unction_n etc._n etc._n the_o only_a pastor_n of_o all_o flock_n and_o of_o all_o pastor_n themselves_o etc._n etc._n the_o vicar_n of_o christ_n etc._n etc._n and_o though_o otherwise_o he_o give_v many_o lively_a testimony_n of_o a_o godly_a mind_n that_o be_v in_o he_o yet_o not_o without_o cause_n be_v he_o 425.426_o he_o whit._fw-la de_fw-la pont._n rom._n q._n 4._o p._n 425.426_o tax_v for_o blasphemy_n in_o these_o unrighteous_a title_n give_v to_o the_o man_n of_o sin_n more_o particular_o in_o his_o first_o epistle_n which_o he_o write_v unto_o eugenius_n after_o he_o be_v create_v pope_n upon_o occasion_n of_o the_o controversy_n that_o be_v betwixt_o the_o archbishop_n of_o york_n &_o the_o archbishop_n of_o canterbury_n he_o put_v this_o pope_n in_o mind_n that_o he_o 237._o he_o bernar._n ad_fw-la eugen._n epist_n 237._o have_v authority_n to_o judge_v the_o controversy_n that_o arise_v in_o other_o church_n and_o wish_v he_o to_o use_v the_o same_o and_o to_o give_v unto_o they_o according_a to_o their_o work_n that_o they_o may_v know_v there_o be_v a_o prophet_n in_o israel_n and_o write_v again_o 238_o again_o ep._n 238_o of_o the_o same_o matter_n he_o call_v the_o archbishop_n of_o york_n that_o idol_n of_o york_n in_o regard_n of_o his_o intrusion_n he_o may_v better_o have_v entitle_v eugenius_n the_o idol_n of_o rome_n &_o provoke_v the_o pope_n as_o have_v the_o fullnes_n of_o power_n to_o cast_v his_o dart_n to_o give_v peremptory_a sentence_n of_o deposition_n against_o the_o arch_n b._n and_o as_o the_o phrase_n of_o bernard_n be_v to_o lighten_v or_o strike_v with_o the_o thunderbolt_n of_o his_o power_n the_o like_a exercise_n of_o power_n over_o those_o in_o other_o congregation_n be_v often_o elsewhere_o 190._o elsewhere_o ad_fw-la innoc_n epist_n 189_o &_o 190._o allow_v by_o he_o and_o hereby_o it_o may_v appear_v how_o gross_o mr_n can_n have_v allege_v these_o ancient_a writer_n quite_o contrary_a to_o their_o meaning_n and_o bernard_n in_o special_a that_o subject_n congregation_n not_o only_o to_o counsel_n and_o synod_n as_o the_o father_n before_o allege_v have_v just_o do_v but_o do_v unjust_o subject_v they_o to_o one_o person_n even_o to_o the_o
yield_v consider_v as_o they_o also_o allege_v that_o the_o benefit_n to_o be_v expect_v from_o deal_v in_o these_o matter_n will_v be_v but_o of_o a_o narrow_a extent_n reach_v only_o to_o the_o satisfaction_n of_o a_o few_o and_o little_o concern_v the_o main_a cause_n that_o the_o author_n good_a name_n and_o bless_a remembrance_n be_v so_o deep_o engrave_v in_o the_o heart_n of_o those_o that_o be_v acquaint_v with_o his_o way_n and_o writing_n that_o no_o envy_n nor_o obloquy_n shall_v ever_o be_v able_a to_o raze_v it_o out_o again_o they_o that_o will_v but_o compare_v the_o answer_n and_o reply_v together_o and_o distinguish_v betwixt_o plain_a deal_n and_o groundless_a surmise_n evidence_n of_o truth_n and_o uncharitable_a insinuation_n shall_v hardly_o need_v any_o further_a help_n for_o their_o satisfaction_n special_o if_o they_o be_v mindful_a of_o the_o rule_n 1._o tim._n 5.19_o from_o which_o these_o opposite_n have_v too_o too_o frequent_o swarve_v and_o in_o which_o respect_n mr_n d._n have_v just_a cause_n to_o entreat_v his_o reader_n end_n reader_n apol._n repl_n praef_n near_o the_o end_n to_o suspend_v his_o censure_n concern_v what_o he_o have_v say_v etc._n etc._n moreover_o that_o plausible_a and_o colourable_a name_n of_o the_o church_n use_v by_o the_o replyer_n when_o they_o speak_v of_o a_o few_o dissent_v from_o the_o author_n be_v now_o further_o manifest_v to_o be_v inconsistent_a with_o those_o passage_n whereunto_o in_o such_o sort_n it_o be_v apply_v forasmuch_o as_o they_o that_o then_o complain_v do_v now_o quiet_o enjoy_v themselves_o and_o communion_n with_o the_o church_n in_o the_o continue_a observation_n of_o the_o same_o order_n that_o be_v practise_v before_o except_o only_o w._n b._n the_o foreman_n of_o the_o complaynant_n now_o a_o profess_a arminian_n and_o of_o those_o that_o once_o join_v with_o he_o some_o before_o other_o since_o the_o author_n death_n have_v plain_o signify_v their_o better_a respect_n unto_o he_o and_o give_v free_a and_o full_a testimony_n of_o his_o well_a deserve_n even_o of_o that_o church_n both_o for_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n to_o return_v unto_o his_o defence_n here_o publish_v the_o great_a part_n of_o it_o be_v in_o way_n of_o answer_n to_o mr_n c._n who_o have_v be_v the_o forward_a and_o large_a in_o this_o part_n of_o the_o plea_n touch_v class_n and_o synod_n it_o seem_v also_o that_o he_o have_v not_o be_v a_o little_a confident_a of_o his_o pain_n about_o this_o work_n by_o the_o reiterated_a edition_n and_o sundry_a shape_n into_o which_o this_o his_o writing_n touch_v independent_a government_n have_v be_v cast_v the_o 1635._o the_o print_a in_o the_o year_n 1635._o first_o edition_n which_o the_o author_n here_o deal_v with_o be_v second_v with_o another_o into_o which_o he_o have_v take_v only_o that_o which_o concern_v this_o controversy_n adorn_v it_o with_o this_o new_a and_o fair_a title_n 1641._o title_n in_o the_o y._n 1641._o zion_n prerogative_n royal_a and_o this_o have_v be_v answer_v 1641._o answer_v disput_fw-la theol._n de_fw-fr union_n ecclesiarum_fw-la carumque_fw-la regimine_fw-la in_o classibus_fw-la &_o synodis_fw-la par_fw-fr post_fw-la ultraj_n 1641._o by_o the_o famous_a and_o true_o excellent_a divine_a of_o these_o country_n d._n voctius_n a_o three_o edition_n it_o seem_v have_v be_v put_v forth_o with_o some_o addition_n against_o the_o presbytery_n of_o particular_a church_n under_o another_o title_n viz._n the_o presbyterial_a government_n examine_v and_o this_o also_o have_v be_v examine_v and_o answer_v by_o the_o author_n of_o the_o 1641._o the_o edinb_n 1641._o assertion_n of_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n of_o scotland_n etc._n etc._n in_o the_o postscript_n thereunto_o annex_v thus_o the_o same_o writing_n have_v meet_v with_o several_a refutation_n whereof_o though_o this_o be_v the_o last_o in_o birth_n yet_o it_o be_v the_o first_o in_o conception_n and_o here_o the_o author_n as_o he_o take_v more_o time_n so_o he_o have_v more_o close_o follow_v his_o opposite_a &_o be_v better_o acquaint_v with_o his_o condition_n and_o course_n have_v more_o near_o apply_v his_o answer_n unto_o he_o for_o further_a conviction_n however_o 3._o however_o august_n de_fw-fr trin._n l._n 1._o c._n 3._o it_o may_v be_v profitable_a to_o behold_v several_a learned_a man_n avouch_v and_o plead_v for_o the_o same_o truth_n and_o many_o blow_n may_v beat_v down_o a_o error_n that_o can_v not_o be_v fell_v at_o once_o but_o it_o may_v seem_v strange_a that_o mr_n cannes_n writing_n be_v such_o as_o the_o several_a refuter_n have_v observe_v they_o to_o be_v shall_v yet_o have_v the_o honour_n of_o three_o several_a refutation_n etc._n see_v afterw_o p._n 145_o 146._o etc._n etc._n who_o ever_o see_v such_o gross_a logical_a mistake_n in_o one_o that_o make_v such_o a_o flourish_n with_o syllogistical_a reason_n who_o ever_o see_v in_o a_o serious_a writing_n such_o abundance_n of_o quotation_n so_o general_o pervert_v or_o so_o little_a to_o the_o purpose_n he_o vain_o allege_v above_o a_o 100_o testimony_n of_o author_n old_a and_o new_a to_o prove_v that_o which_o be_v never_o deny_v by_o those_o who_o he_o oppose_v and_o yet_o on_o the_o other_o side_n who_o so_o confident_a of_o his_o own_o cause_n amid_o such_o barrenes_n of_o proof_n where_o there_o be_v need_n of_o it_o either_o from_o scripture_n or_o approve_a author_n let_v those_o that_o seem_v to_o hold_v with_o he_o in_o this_o controversy_n judge_v whether_o mr_n c._n be_v not_o in_o these_o respect_v a_o disputer_n one_o of_o a_o thousand_o as_o his_o phrase_n be_v 15._o be_v ch._n pl._n p._n 15._o elsewhere_o to_o another_o purpose_n how_o come_v it_o then_o to_o pass_v that_o they_o that_o have_v be_v induce_v to_o write_v in_o defence_n of_o presbyterial_a and_o classical_a government_n have_v have_v no_o other_o matter_n to_o work_v upon_o but_o what_o be_v afford_v by_o mr_n c._n or_o that_o the_o cause_n of_o independency_n which_o make_v so_o great_a a_o noise_n among_o some_o yield_v yet_o so_o little_a to_o be_v see_v for_o the_o maintenance_n of_o it_o may_v not_o we_o just_o doubt_v concern_v other_o that_o seem_v to_o favour_v this_o way_n that_o their_o judgement_n be_v not_o settle_v in_o this_o point_n by_o how_o much_o they_o be_v so_o slow_a to_o profess_v what_o they_o hold_v and_o upon_o what_o ground_n if_o they_o agree_v with_o mr_n d._n and_o mr_n c._n and_o their_o ground_n &_o pretence_n be_v the_o same_o with_o they_o they_o may_v here_o receive_v satisfaction_n but_o some_o happy_o will_v think_v the_o author_n have_v be_v needless_o curious_a in_o note_v the_o manifold_a gross_a fayling_n of_o mr_n c._n both_o in_o his_o reason_n and_o quotation_n for_o answer_v hereunto_o beside_o that_o for_o the_o most_o part_n they_o be_v such_o as_o in_o this_o through_o kind_n of_o refute_v use_v by_o the_o author_n can_v not_o be_v pass_v over_o with_o silence_n it_o appear_v that_o mr_n c._n stand_v in_o need_n of_o be_v tell_v of_o these_o fault_n for_o in_o his_o latter_a edition_n of_o the_o same_o thing_n i_o find_v not_o any_o of_o these_o foul_a mistake_v amend_v herein_o only_o he_o have_v somewhat_o correct_v himself_o that_o what_o he_o have_v before_o 76._o before_o chur._n plea_n p._n 74_o 76._o asscribe_v to_o mr_n paget_n now_o he_o attribute_n it_o 21._o it_o zion_n prer_n roy_fw-fr p._n 16_o 21._o to_o the_o presbyterian_a governor_n and_o such_o as_o stand_v for_o presbyterial_a government_n hereby_o acknowledge_v that_o what_o he_o have_v before_o call_v 71._o call_v ch._n pl._n p._n 71._o mr_n paget_n new_a doctrine_n 77._o doctrine_n ibid._n p._n 77._o mr_n paget_n lately-devised_n tenet_n 81._o tenet_n ibid._n p._n 81._o mr_n paget_n new_a opinion_n be_v neither_o his_o device_n nor_o sole_a opinion_n but_o common_a with_o he_o to_o at_o least_o all_o that_o allow_v of_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n of_o scotland_n from_o who_o that_o mr_n c._n might_n profess_v his_o dissent_n he_o have_v put_v in_o the_o word_n presbytery_n and_o presbyterian_a with_o classis_fw-la and_o classical_a see_v the_o presbytery_n in_o scotland_n be_v in_o effect_n the_o same_o with_o the_o classis_fw-la and_o classical_a see_v the_o presbytery_n in_o sctoland_n be_v in_o effect_n the_o same_o with_o the_o class_n in_o these_o country_n for_o the_o publish_n of_o this_o treatise_n i_o have_v more_o need_n to_o plead_v excuse_n for_o not_o set_v it_o forth_o before_o according_a to_o their_o judgement_n who_o have_v frequent_o call_v upon_o i_o and_o encourage_v i_o unto_o the_o finish_n of_o this_o task_n rather_o then_o to_o provide_v against_o their_o displeasure_n who_o be_v apt_a to_o censure_v as_o unseasonable_a what_o in_o this_o kind_n be_v unwelcome_a unto_o they_o but_o for_o the_o seasonablenes_n of_o it_o let_v the_o