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A54177	The new witnesses proved old hereticks, or, Information to the ignorant in which the doctrines of John Reeve and Lodowick Muggleton, which they stile, mysteries never before known, revealed, or heard of from the foundation of the world, are proved to be mostly ancient whimsies, blasphemies and heresies, from the evidence of Scripture, reason and several historians : also an account of some discoourse betwixt L.M. and my self, by which his blasphemous, ignorant and unsavory spirit is clearly and truly manifested, in love to the immortal souls of those few, who are concern'd in the belief of his impostures / by a living true witness to that one eternal way of God, revealed in the light of righteousness W.P.	Penn, William, 1644-1718.	1672 (1672)	Wing P1326; ESTC R15258	38,470	64

his Eternal Spirit yet without a Body Face or Tongue or a Majestical Person like unto Earthly Monarchs he could not possibly have spoken distinct words nor his Glory have been perfect D.L.G. p. 106. Animadversion VIII If that which is requisit to define or render God truly such be singly attributed to the eternal Spirit without the mention of a Body then is the Eternal Spirit the Invisible God as they themselves prove If the Eternal Spirit be nothing else then Crowns of Immortal Glory and that it is the Invisible God whose Power created all things and if all Wisdom Glory and Power proceed ONLY from this Invisible Eternal Spirit as they say then not unto a Body but unto that who ALONE has all Power Wisdom and Glory is the Godhead to be ascribed but that is unto the Invisible Spirit And if the Eternal Spirit be thus qualified how possibly can its Glory be ecclipst for want of a Body Face or Tongue Is the Eternal Spirit Crowns of Immortal Imperfect Glory And how can all Glory alone be given unto the Spirit whose Glory is imperfect without a Body He should have said From the Spirit and Body Alone proceedeth all Glory c. But this Confusion is like the rest Contradiction IX Moreover You may know That those Men called Independents Anabaptists Presbyterians are the Literal Apostolical Jews D.L.G. p. 191. Furthermore Those Anabaptist Independent Presbyterian Men which hold it Lawful to Persecute Men in their Persons and Estates upon a Spiritual account I say from the Eternal Spirit That they are for the most part the Off-spring of those Bloody-minded Jews that Crucified the Lord of Glory upon the account of Blasphemy D.L.G. p. 192. Animadversion IX That Exception should have been made before for if those that are called Independants Presbyterians and Anabaptists are Apostolical Jews and yet such as are for Persecution for Conscience are of their Race that put Christ to Death then they are not of the Apostolical but Mosaical Jews But how can they make that hold together The Apostolical Jew is one not outward in the Letter but in the Heart and in the Spirit if so either they are Independents Presbyterians or Anabaptists or else those three Opinions are come to be of theirs since at the Distance they stand they cannot be under the same Covenant and Circumcision But to be short By their declaring them whilst not their Followers Apostolical Jews we may conclude That Reeve and Muggleton count themselves none of them but Men of another Dispensation and therefore not of the Circumcision in Heart which is not according to the Letter but the Spirit beyond which Dispensation all other Pretensions are Imaginations and vain Exaltations Contradiction X. It is not thy Natural or Allegorical Whimsies that can blind the Elect nor pacifie the Judge of Life and Death within thee D.L.G. p. 168. And now I desire no other Witness to bear Record in the Consciences of Men to this Epistle whether it be Truth or no but the Everlasting Jehovah or Eternal Spiritual Jesus himself D.L.G. p. 208. Again If every man have the Spirit of Christ living in his Conscience as many men vainly imagine What then is become of the Spiritual Body of that Jesus that ascended into the Throne of his Glory in the visible sight of Men and Angels D. L.G p. 68. Animadversion X. If the Judge of Life and Death be in man then Christ unto whom all Judgment is committed is in man to justifie or condemn him therefore Christ or his Spirit or both are in man and consequently it is no Impediment to nor Denial of Christ's Ascension with a Glorified Body Neither is it vain to believe that the Spirit of Christ lives in the Consciences of Men. Observe their Folly The Judge of Life and Death is within thee again It is vain to Imagine that the Spirit of Christ lives in mens Consciences Thus they say and unsay almost in a Breath But above all That the Everlasting Jehovah and Eternal Spiritual Jesus should be in mens Consciences the true Witness and yet not be in Men Who can understand this strange Riddle Contradiction XI But you may say Did God the third day arise from the Dead by his own Power or by the Power of his Deputy Elias To which I answer He by his own Decree and Spiritual Compact with Elias and by that Spirit of Faith in his Innocent Body the which Faith dyed in his pure Body and quickened immediately and brought forth that Natural Innocent Body out of the Grave a pure Spiritual Body T.S.T. p. 32 33. Therefore whosoever saith that any other Body ascended into Glory but that very same Body of Flesh and Bones that suffered Death upon the Cross he is an Antichrist and in utter Spiritual Darkness D.L.G. p. 15. Animadversion XI If the Body dyed a Natural Body and was brought forth a Spiritual Body then unless that Spiritual Body lay'd down it self and resum'd its Natural Body as at the first it could not be the very same Body of Flesh Blood and Bone that Dyed which Ascended but it must have been a Spiritual Body In short If Natural and Spiritual be not all one as say they else-where in these Contradictions then was it no more the same Body then Natural is Spiritual and Mortal Immortal upon their own Principles and consequently Reeve and Muggleton are the Antichrists and in utter Darkness As for the three-fold Answer he gives to the Objection it is wretchedly Blaphemous 1. God's Decree 2. His Compact with Elias 3. His own Spirit of Faith To the first I reply What did the Decree avail when the Power was in another and when he that made it was dead To the second I return That God's rising lay on the side of Elias's Honesty in performing Obligation keeping Covenant and not in any other thing 3. As to that Spirit of Faith they confess it dy'd if so how did the Faith raise him Besides In whom should God have Faith in Himself He was dead In Elias He could not exercise it when in the Grave Again He that believes injoyes not fully and has Confidence in one Greater then Himself but God wants nothing and can have no Object for Faith and therefore no Faith O the Unparalell'd Sottish ●olly and Raveing Conceits of these men Contradiction XII So likewise I positively affirm against all Gainsayers under Heaven That I John Reeve am the Last Commissionated Prophet that ever shall declare Divine Secrets according to the Foundation of Truth until the Lord Jesus Christ appear on his Throne of Glory D.L.G. p. 119. A True Interpretation of all the chief Texts and Mysterious Sayings and Visions opened of the whole Book of the Revelation of St. John wherein is unfolded and plainly declared those Wonderful Deep Mysteries and Visions interpreted concerning the True God the Alpha and Omega with variety of other Heavenly Secrets which hath never been opened nor revealed to any man since the

shall not be your Ruin How long would I have gathered you and ye would not But now God commands all to Repent God is no Respecter of Persons but they that fear him in every Age shall be accepted c. with many more they make him but to Complement with Wicked Men and speak them fair in words meaning nothing less in his Heart having Pre-ordained them to eternal Wrath. Fifthly This Principle would defile his eternally inherent Holiness by making him as well the Father of Sin as of Destruction for men are either Damned for something or for nothing if for nothing that were most Wicked in these Predestinarians account then for something and what is that Sin very well and how came they to this sin they committed it and how came they to do so they would do it why could they have avoided it by no means where 's the Difference then betwixt being Damn'd for not doing what they could not and doing nothing The Predestination was not that all Evil Men that wilfully withstood Mercy should be Damned for they were ordained never to receive it but that such a Number consisting of such and such particular Persons should Vnalterably and Vnavoidably be Damned only to Glorifie God Sixthly But this would stain the Glory of the Almighty in that neither in himself nor from the Redemption and Salvation of the souls of men his Glory is great enough unless it be compleated in the Eternal Destruction of far the greatest part of Mankind Seventhly This destroyes all Good Works for may all say Neither can my Good nor Evil Works make one Hair white or black add or diminish in reference to God's unalterable Decree and therefore will I give my self unto the Liberty of the Flesh and enjoy the Pleasures of this Life whilst I can have them Eighthly It destroyes all Government since who cares how desperate he is or what Injury he does who conceiting to himself his Post is pitcht his State set and that unchangeably but breaking all Laws takes his Revenge on what would bring him to condign Punishment for his Exorbitancies To conclude and come somewhat closer to the Persons concerned What signifies their coming to call them to repent that cannot be saved if they do Or to warn such to repent that cannot be damned What signifies their Commission or their Cursing or Blessing For can they bless him to Life that is ordained before-hand to be damned Or can they curse him to Death who is pre-ordained to Eternal Life If therefore Men are pre-ordained to Salvation or Damnation to what purpose should any fear their Curse or prize their Blessing since neither can alter or change the Condition of any Person and what more contrary to the Mind of the Merciful God who is willing that all should come unto the Knowledge of the Truth and be saved That Antiquity both knew and abhorr'd this Opinion is Manifest Josephus in his 18th Book of Antiquities and 2d Chap. also Epiphanius in his Preface to his first Book of Heresie again Eusebius in his 5th Book chap. 13. and Socrates in his 1st Book and chap. 17. and you will be fully informed of the Abettors of this dangerous and Wicked Opinion namely a Sect of the Pharisees also Florinus Blastus against whom Ireneus Bishop of Lyons in France wrote two Epistles and a Book call'd Ogdous wherein he tells Florinus That when himself was a Child and with Famous Christian Polycarpus who conversed with John that conversed with Christ he remembred him to be busie about the Emperors Court and further tells him that had the Apostle John but lived to have heard that Damnable Doctrine which makes God the Author of Evil he would have said Good God unto what times half Thou reserved me and tells him that in Publishing so Wicked an Opinion he had declared that which all the Hereticks before had never durst to pronunce plainly with much more to this purpose against him the Sect called Manichees from one Manes held and promoted this Opinion of Fatal destiny who Muggleton-like is reported to have called himself Christ and the Comforter and published the Work of one Buddas in his own Name calling It a New Dispensation All which Reader I assure thee Histories do inform Us to have been known in the 2d 3 4 5 and 600. Years after Christ which is above a 1000. Years since In which Time many were the Impudent Spirits that assum'd to themselves as great Authority as Muggleton in Reeve's Absence doth at this time namely Simon Magus who had so far possess'd the Romans with his Sorcery of his pretended Divinity calling himself to the Samaritans the Father to the Jews the Son to the Gentiles the Holy Spirit as the Heathens erected a Statue or Image of him in the time of Claudius at Rome having this Inscription Simoni Deo Sancto to the Holy God Simon Next One Helen a Woman that accompanied him whom he called the Principle Vnderstanding much like Muggleton's Daughter who Reeve said should be the Chiefest of Women Eusebius in his 2d Book and 12 13 and 14 Chap. after this One Menander said to have been a Sorcerer and the Disciple of Simon went up and down deluding Silly Credulous People by affirming to them he was the great Power of God come down from Heaven and that all were to believe in him and be baptised in his manner or they could not be saved but those that did should never dye read Eusebius in his 3d Book Chap. 23. Ireneus Book 1. Chap. 21. Epiphan haeres 22. Again Carpocrates is reported to have like Reeves and Muggelton patch'd his Opinion who was so vain Glorious as to affirm he knew all things out of Simon Menander Nicholas from whence came the Nicolaitans in the Revelations Saturninus Basilides c. and see Epiphan Haeres 27. also Augustin of Heresies Again We find that Eusebius tells us of one Montanus whereof Montanists or Catafrygians are called taught in Phrygia that he was the Holy Ghost as may be seen in the 5th Book of Eusebius 13 14 15 16 17 Chapters Also that one Buddas affirm'd that he was born of a Virgin as true as Muggletons being the Last Witness of God This Buddas writ a Book and in his swelling Pride styl'd it Mysteries much like the Whimsies of Reeve and Muggleton in their Transcendent Spiritual Treatise next he wrote a Book called the Gospel of the Nature of Reeve and Muggleton's Divine Looking Glass His End was to break his Neck 'T is to be fear'd that a worse will be miserable Muggletons even Torment of Spirit as Reeve is said to have left the World in To conclude Noetus the Ring-Leader of that great Mystery never revealed till within these 20. years sayes Reeve and Muggleton namely the Godheads being a Man and so absolutely Flesh and Blood as that when the Body dyed the Godhead ceased and lay under Death's Power three dayes and three Nights He through the height of