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to_o the_o disciple_n 1679._o of_o simon_n magus_n who_o teach_v as_o st._n irenoeus_n inform_v we_o that_o such_o as_o be_v perfect_a among_o they_o and_o have_v that_o principle_n they_o call_v sâ—lt_v and_o light_n can_v not_o â—in_v not_o but_o that_o they_o be_v guilty_a of_o the_o great_a villainy_n but_o they_o reckon_v nothing_o in_o themselves_o sin_n because_o they_o walk_v in_o light_n and_o truth_n while_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o world_n be_v in_o darkness_n as_o they_o pretend_v in_o opposition_n to_o these_o st._n john_n show_v we_o v_o 8._o that_n if_o we_o pretend_v thus_o to_o be_v without_o sin_n we_o deceive_v ourselves_o and_o the_o truth_n be_v not_o in_o we_o but_o if_o we_o own_o and_o acknowledge_v our_o sin_n and_o hearty_o endeavour_v to_o avoid_v they_o then_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n cleanse_v we_o from_o all_o sin_n according_a to_o god_n promise_n who_o give_v his_o only_a beget_v son_n that_o whosoever_o believe_v in_o he_o may_v not_o perish_v it_o be_v plain_a from_o vers_fw-la 10._o that_o such_o as_o refuse_v to_o confess_v their_o sin_n according_a to_o st._n john_n make_v god_n a_o liar_n now_o this_o be_v literal_o true_a of_o those_o who_o deny_v that_o they_o be_v sinner_n as_o those_o heretic_n do_v but_o to_o deny_v the_o necessity_n of_o a_o particular_a enumeration_n of_o sin_n to_o a_o priest_n do_v no_o way_n impeach_v god_n truth_n and_o therefore_o the_o confession_n require_v by_o these_o word_n if_o we_o confess_v our_o sin_n be_v not_o auricular_a this_o be_v far_o manifest_v from_o the_o ancient_a father_n of_o the_o church_n not_o one_o of_o which_o understand_v these_o word_n of_o confession_n to_o a_o priest._n st._n augustine_n have_v write_v a_o comment_n on_o this_o epistle_n and_o he_o thus_o explain_v this_o place_n if_o thou_o confess_v that_o thou_o joh._n be_v a_o sinner_n the_o truth_n be_v in_o thou_o tell_v man_n what_o thou_o be_v tell_v god_n what_o thou_o be_v if_o thou_o tell_v not_o god_n what_o thou_o be_v god_n will_v damn_v what_o he_o find_v in_o thou_o if_o thou_o will_v not_o that_o he_o shall_v damn_v condemn_v thou_o occumenius_n refer_v this_o whole_a passage_n to_o the_o jew_n if_o we_o who_o say_v his_o blood_n be_v on_o we_o and_o on_o our_o child_n locum_fw-la shall_v impudent_o say_v that_o we_o have_v not_o sin_v we_o deceive_v ourselves_o but_z if_o we_o acknowledge_v and_o confess_v this_o sin_n he_o will_v forgive_v we_o which_o sufficient_o show_v that_o by_o confess_v our_o sin_n here_o be_v mean_v the_o acknowledge_v ourselves_o to_o be_v sinner_n in_o opposition_n to_o those_o who_o plead_v innocency_n and_o that_o this_o have_v no_o relation_n to_o a_o particular_a confession_n of_o sin_n to_o a_o priest._n sect._n 5._o but_o 2._o when_o god_n be_v say_v to_o be_v faithful_a and_o just_a it_o do_v not_o particular_o respect_v that_o promise_v john_n 20._o 23._o who_o sin_n you_o remit_v they_o be_v remit_v which_o be_v sufficient_o prove_v from_o this_o argument_n that_o no_o ancient_a interpreter_n have_v thus_o apply_v they_o but_o on_o the_o contrary_n have_v refer_v they_o oxon._n to_o other_o promise_n thus_o st._n cyprian_n refer_v they_o to_o that_o petition_n in_o the_o lord_n prayer_n forgive_v we_o our_o trespass_n and_o interpret_v confess_v in_o st._n john_n by_o this_o petition_n in_o the_o prayer_n to_o which_o he_o say_v forgiveness_n be_v promise_v st._n john_n therefore_o say_v that_o god_n who_o keep_v his_o promise_n be_v faithful_a to_o forgive_v sin_n because_o he_o who_o have_v teach_v we_o to_o pray_v for_o our_o sin_n have_v promise_v that_o his_o fatherly_a mercy_n and_o pardon_n shall_v follow_v the_o roman_a gloss_n say_v god_n be_v faithful_a who_o promise_v grace_n to_o the_o humble_a oecumenius_n refer_v this_o to_o isaiah_n 43._o 26._o where_o loc._n according_a to_o the_o septuagint_a translation_n the_o word_n be_v tell_v thy_o sin_n first_o that_o thou_o may_v be_v justify_v which_o be_v usher_v in_o with_o that_o promise_n v_o 25._o ay_o even_o i_o be_o he_o that_o blot_v out_o thy_o transgression_n for_o my_o own_o sake_n and_o will_v not_o remember_v thy_o sin_n lyra_n say_v god_n be_v faithful_a to_o forgive_v we_o our_o sin_n because_o he_o promise_v so_o mat._n 3._o 2._o repent_v you_o for_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n be_v at_o hand_n you_o see_v that_o the_o ancient_a interpreter_n can_v find_v other_o promise_n both_o in_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n which_o oblige_v god_n to_o forgive_v sin_n before_o auricular_a confession_n be_v pretend_v to_o be_v institute_v and_o not_o one_o of_o they_o dream_v that_o st._n john_n have_v relation_n to_o that_o promise_n beside_o which_o mr_n m._n affirm_v there_o be_v not_o another_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n how_o will_v he_o reconcile_v this_o to_o his_o profession_n of_o faith_n in_o which_o he_o promise_v never_o to_o interpret_v scripture_n but_o according_a to_o the_o unanimous_a consent_n of_o the_o father_n when_o there_o be_v not_o one_o father_n to_o vouch_v his_o sense_n of_o this_o place_n and_o several_a against_o he_o he_o 6._o but_o 3._o suppose_v that_o consequence_n follow_v from_o this_o place_n which_o he_o infer_v that_o god_n will_v not_o remit_v sin_n under_o the_o new_a testament_n without_o the_o ministry_n of_o his_o priest_n yet_o it_o will_v not_o follow_v that_o auricular_a confession_n be_v necessary_a because_o under_o the_o old_a law_n the_o sin_n of_o the_o people_n be_v not_o pardon_v without_o the_o ministry_n of_o god_n priest_n and_o yet_o it_o be_v confess_v that_o auricular_a confession_n be_v not_o then_o institute_v beside_o if_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o priest_n be_v necessary_a why_o shall_v that_o be_v understand_v rather_o of_o their_o private_a than_o public_a ministry_n and_o last_o their_o ministry_n may_v be_v necessary_a on_o other_o account_n than_o hear_v confession_n and_o pronounce_v absolution_n thus_o oecumenius_n make_v the_o forgiveness_n loc._n of_o sin_n here_o promise_v to_o be_v that_o remission_n which_o be_v obtain_v in_o baptism_n therefore_o say_v he_o god_n do_v certain_o remit_v sin_n to_o they_o that_o come_v to_o his_o holy_a baptism_n sacerdotio_fw-la st._n chrysostome_n who_o write_v his_o book_n de_fw-fr sacerdotio_fw-la purposely_o to_o magnisie_v the_o priest_n office_n interpret_v the_o promise_n in_o st._n john_n 20._o 23._o by_o the_o power_n of_o admit_v to_o baptism_n and_o the_o lord_n supper_n together_o with_o the_o priest_n intercession_n and_o prayer_n for_o sinner_n but_o he_o say_v not_o one_o word_n of_o their_o remit_v by_o a_o absolution_n or_o judicial_a sentence_n who_o soever_o know_v st._n chrisostom_n must_v own_o that_o if_o he_o have_v know_v or_o believe_v such_o a_o magnificent_a power_n in_o the_o priest_n he_o will_v never_o have_v omit_v it_o in_o book_n write_v design_o to_o magnify_v their_o office_n i_o conclude_v therefore_o that_o although_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o priest_n under_o the_o gospel_n be_v necessary_a to_o the_o pardon_n of_o the_o people_n sin_n yet_o that_o ministry_n may_v consist_v in_o the_o use_n of_o their_o direction_n prayer_n intercession_n and_o sacrament_n and_o i_o believe_v mr._n m._n will_v hardly_o be_v able_a to_o show_v any_o other_o way_n of_o absolution_n use_v by_o the_o ancient_a church_n nay_o oxon._n sy_n cyprian_n deny_v that_o priest_n proper_o forgive_v sin_n because_o all_o that_o they_o can_v do_v be_v to_o put_v man_n in_o a_o way_n to_o be_v forgive_v sect._n 7._o the_o second_o thing_n mr._n m._n intend_v for_o a_o argument_n in_o favour_n of_o confession_n be_v what_o he_o allege_v p._n 7._o that_o confession_n be_v approve_v and_o frequent_v by_o all_o the_o christian_a world_n except_o the_o people_n of_o our_o island_n and_o some_o few_o other_o that_o call_v themselves_o reform_v and_o further_a p._n 8._o that_o it_o be_v never_o hear_v of_o in_o the_o catholic_n church_n that_o 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