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A26579 Covnterpoyson considerations touching the poynts in difference between the godly ministers and people of the Church of England, and the seduced brethren of the separation : argvments that the best assemblies of the present church of England are true visible churches : that the preachers in the best assemblies of Engl. are true ministers of Christ : Mr. Bernards book intituled The Separatists Schisme : Mr Crashawes questions propounded in his sermon preached at the crosse / examined and answered by Henry Ainsworth. Ainsworth, Henry, 1571-1622? 1642 (1642) Wing A809; ESTC R19104 173,009 159

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your labours and blesse you for them as Moses blessed the builders of the tabernacle Exod. 39.43 Your first argument therefore is to weak to vphold your church or best assemblies and the assumption of your profyllogisme is denyed The 2 argument 2. THose Churches whose true members are onely espowsed to Christ a true visible Churches Ephe. 5.30.32 2. Cor. 11.2 But the true members of our best assemblies are espowsed onely to Christ. Therefore c. Proof of the assumption They are espowsed onely to Chrisi which are indued with true sauing faith Eph. 5 30.31.32 with Iohn 15.3 4.5.7 17 20.21 But the true members of our best assemblies are indued with a true sauing faith confessed by Mr. Iohnson in Iakob pag. 7· Look also in the confirmation of the 5. argument folowing here Therefore c. Answer HEre agayn you haue gott an other starting hole whiles you plead but for the true members of your best assemblies yet neither tel you vs which are your best assemblies nor who be the true members of them that how to follow or where to finde you we cannot tel As is the way of an eagle in the aire such is the way of an adultrous woman it is hid and cannot be known But I will see if I can discouer your falsehood though I cannot find your footing First I deny that the true members of your best assemblies are espowsed onely to Christ. for as the prophet sayd of Israel lift vp your eyes ūto the high placs behold wher you haue not plaied the harlot Now whils a church doth play the harlot Christ willeth vs to plead with her that she is not his wife ney●her is he her husband Idolatrie is spirituall whordome as the Prophets testifie Psa. 106 39. Ier. 3.9 Deut. 31.16 but the true members of your best assemblies commit idolatrie in their daylie worship according to their Romish leiturgy or book of commō prayer an idol of your own inuentiō How are they thē espowsed to Christ alone Yes they are say you because they ar indued with true sauing faith I answer Faith is in the hart as it is writen with the hart man beleeueth Rom. 10.10 The hart no man knoweth but God alone as agayn it is written thou Lord onely knowest the harts of all the children of men 1 King 8 39 So then I ask you how you know that your members haue true faith your answer must needs be vnlesse you w●ll make your selfe a God you know it not but by their words and works Wel thē let vs bring these to th' trial their confession and the●r practise leauing their faith to God that knowes it The conf●ssion of the●r faith is set downe in their service book the 12. articles of the Creed But this Creed the Papists also confesse and read in their church and if it will proue your people to haue true faith it will proue theirs to haue likewise you say no more for England then for Rome Agayn the Apostle sayth there are some which professe that they know God but in works doe deny him and are abominable and disobedient and to euery good work reprobate So then words are not yenough to proue true faith But we must come to the Apostle Iames his triall shew me thy fayth out of thy works for faith without works is dead Now the works of your people are apparant to be evil they standing in communion or confusion rather with the vnclean profane and wicked whereby al Gods holy things are defiled as it is written Num. 19.22 Hag. 2.14 submitting their soules to Antichristian prelates and priests and hearing their voyce contrari● to Iohn 10 5. worshiping God in vayn after their own invented seruice book which is a high transgression of the second commandement Exo 20 And these things are general and publick the particular and more priuate in●q●ities will not easily be numbred Whereas therefore you would perswade vs your church is espowsed onely to Christ although her fornicat●ons are so manifest between her brests because she sayth she beleeveth only in Christ it is with no more colour then as if Bilhah whē she was known to lie with Reuben should haue pleaded yet am I an honest woman and espowsed to Iaacob onely for my loue and harty affection is towards him alone But the wise man teacheth vs these be but the tricks of an adultrous woman she eateth and wipeth her mouth sayth I haue done no iniquity Pro 30 20. The scriptures which your selfe allege doe also make against your chvrch Eph 5 30. We are members of Christs body of his flesh and of his bones F●rst your church can shew no covenant that was made between Christ and her at any time the gathering and planting of your church having been by the Magistrates authority not by the word of Christ winning mens soules unto his faith separating them from the vnbeleevers and taking them to communion with himselfe Secondly in saying his body the Apostle excludeth al other bodies as more plainlie appeareth in the other scripture 2 Cor. 11.2 where he prepared the church as a pure virgin for Christ which cannot be whiles she defileth her self with others as doth your church with the abominations of the Papists compāying also in the bed of loue with the Prelates whom the better son of you haue confessed to be Antichristian and their infer●our priests who work vpon mens consciences by their jurisdiction ministery doctrines canons c. being as the bridegrooms of your church not the friends of the bridegroom which stand and heare and reioyce for the bridegrooms voyce for that Christ should speak and rule vnlesse it be according to their own canons they cannot endure The other places in Iohn 15. 17. will confirme also that the true members of your best assemblies are not espowsed onely to Christ For Christ sheweth that his Father is the husbandman who caleth and bringeth vnto and planteth in him the true vine all the branches that is the particular persons of the Church But the true members of your best assemblies are as yet the branches of that false Antichristian vine your confused church of England not separated from but liuing and growing in one stock body and communion with the idolatrous and profain So that you cannot say as did the Israel of God Thou hast brought a vine out of Aegypt thou hast cast out the heathens plāted it Christ sheweth that his branches were purged of the Father by the word spoken vnto thē your members ar not yet purged or clensed by the word of Christ from their idolatries and profane communion with the ympes of Satan The word of life the word of separatiō from the serpēt his seed hath not yet sounded in the eares or at least not sunk into the harts of your people Christ branches bring forth much fruit through their abiding in him being able without him to doe nothing your
pag. 10 27 c 〈◊〉 7 51. c Apol part 6 ● 18. 〈◊〉 1. ● Lik●lyhood d 〈◊〉 1. Likelie●ood pag. 34. Act. 1.17 ● ● ●ikelie●●●d a Luk 17.26 b Psa 105 12.13 c Ge● 15. d Deut 10.22 e Gen 17.20 f Gen 36 15. c. g ver 3 c 1 h pag. 44. 1. The evil of the entrance i pag 44 Answer l Psa. 10 7● a pag 46. Answer b Zeph. 3.7 c Deut 32 5 Reu 2.14 15. f ver 20. c. g Eze 23 ● Chro. 11.15 Reu 17 1 18 2 2 The persons greeuously sinning c. 1 Syn. 2. Syn. 3. Syn. Answer a Kellison Suru●y 1 book 4 chap b Iam 5 20 c pag 263. d pag 52 Answer a Mic. 3.6 b Rev. 9. c Mat 7 16 d Ioh 10 10 e Isa. 60.1 2.3 Reu. 21 24 f Isa 50 11 g pag. 56. Answer h Psa 112.2 i vers 10 * ●sal 37. The 4 syn ‡ pag. 90. The 5. syn The 6 syn ” It would be knowne what Mr B●rn counted caled them in his book that of late he wrote against them * ●ag 78 c. 1. Error Answer ‡ Discouery Resut of Giff. Confessiō Apology Answer to Mr. Iacob c. ” Eph. 2 12 † 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Arist 3. Polit c. 1. * C●lo 2.5 ‡ Act 2 4● ” Supplic to the king anno 1604. Reason of r●ligion 6. 2. Error Answer * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ier. 4.23 Gen 1.2.3 Error Answer ‡ pag. 81 4 Error 〈…〉 * Reu 18 oftē in that book 5 Error Answer ‡ 1 Cor 1.2 Rom. 1 7. Eph 1.1 † Mat. 20.16 22 14. 6 Error Answe ” pag. 78. * 1 Cor 8 6. 12.5 ‡ 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 1 Pet 5 4 Reu 1.13 2.1 * 1 Tim 4 14 ‡ Tit. 1.5 2 Co 12 28. Act 14 23. ” 1 Tim 5 17 † Heb 13 17 1 Pet. 5.5 * Rom 12 6 7· ‡ 1 Cor. 14 34. 〈◊〉 31 24 * Art 34. ‡ Luk 17.3 ” Mat. 18.15.16.17 † 1 Cors. 4 12 13. * Treatise of Popes pard part 2. c 3 ‡ 1 Cor. 7.23 Gal 5.1 ” 1 Cor. 12 28. † Apolog of the church of Engl. 1. part c 2 divis 7. * Suruey of the new relig 1 book 3 chap. ‡ See mōng other the Discouery of the false church pag 165. forward Apology against the Oxford DD. pag. 60 c. a Necess of re●orm pag 28. 7 Error Answer b Confess 〈◊〉 3● c Rom 15 1 Phil 3 15 16. Eph 4 2 3 d Heb 10 25 e Isa. 5 20 23 f Exo. 2● 2 g Leu 4 27 28. c ver 2● 23 c i verse 3. k uerse 13. c. a vers 28. b vers 24 c ve 3 14 d Iudg 19 e Iudg. 20.13 c. f Iosh. 22.18.20 g Prou. 21.27 8 Error Answer h 1 Kin. 12 28. a pag. 74. b pag. 111. c pag 116. d pag 113. e Plea of the inn●●ēt p. 218. c. A sayer prof●ssion a pag. ●20 b pag. 121. c Plea of the innocēt pag 246· a pag. 99 b Ps. 4.4 9 Error Answer a pag. 141. b pag. 131 c pag. 142. a pag 121. b pag 139.140 c pag 141 d pag 54. c. Ma● 28.19 b 1 P●t ● 1 Act. ●0 28 c 2 Cor 6 4 c. d 1 Cor 1.2 e ● Cor. 12 f pag. 144. g pag. 145. h In his chalenge p 85. i detestion c. p. 100. a Dialogue between a Papist a protestāt in the Epistle dedicatory 10 Error Answer Aswner Answer Answer Answer Answer Answer Answ. Answ. Answ. Answ. Answ. a Qu 19. ca. 1. Decima● a populo a Act 19.15 b Acts and Monumēts Wiliā Thor in his testament Answ. c Act 17.23 d 1 Cor 10 20. e Reu 9 20 16 14. and 18.2 f Deut. 12.2.3 g Gen 21 33 h Gen 12 7 8. 13 4 c i Iude vers 14.15 1 Reason Answ. a See before p. 37.42.43 b See before p. 2.107 c Coūtry divinity in th● Epis● de dic d Ios Nich. Plea of the innocent p. 236. e Luk. 11.47.48 f Mat. 23 3● a Pag 13 102 103. b Isa. 49 4. c Mat. 23.37 d Rom 10.31 e Coūtry diuinity fol. 48. e admire f pag. 116. 2. Reason a Tit. 1 16· b Act monu edi 5. pag 11●7 1190 c ibidem pa 1184. d pag 1185 Coūtry diuinity fol. 2● f Serm. on Rom. 12. p. 65.66 a See before p. 56. b Hos. 9.8 c Answer to the admon pag. 111. c Defense of the answer to the adm pag. 621. e Seruice a● burîall a Dialog betweē a Pap a protes fol 38. b pag. 167. c Eph 1 1. d Ano 1562 art 19. e Art 17· f pag 168 3. Reason Answer a pag. 174. b 1 Cor. 3.11 c vers 6.7 d Mat 16.16 e 1 Ioh 4.2 f Mark 16 16. g Col. 2.6.7 a pag 74. c. b Ioh. 3 36 Mat 7.21 23 Rom. 2 6.8 c pag. 174. d pag 74. c. e In the Creed f Art 19 anno 1562 g Coūtry diuinity fol. 19. a Art 19. anno 1562 b ibid art 17 c Book of cōmon prayer d Art 35. anno 1562 e Consti canōs 1603 f Art 36 ano 1562 g Canōs anno 1603. their practise according h Country Devinity fol. 73 i Preface to Mr D. Fenners Coūterpoys a pag 169. b pag. 173. c Discouer Pag. 156. 2 Tim 3 16 Prov. 30.5 Psal. 19.8 12.6 Psa. 119 entyre Eph 2 20. d Pag. 174 a ibid●m b pag 173 c Psal. 119 152. d Answe to Artic 5 e Mat. 22.40 f Mat 5.12 Ioh 3.36 Rom. 1.5 b Ioh 13.14 Mat 28.20 Gal 3.10 d Heb 2.2.3 3.7.8 10.26 c. 12 25. Psa● 9.12 f Ian. 3.2 g Rom 6.23 1. Ioh 2.4.6 3.6.8.9 ● pag. 171 h See cōfer in th' Fleet with Mr. Hutch and D'Andrews 4 Reason a In the answer to Mr Raynolds preface b pag. 92. c pag. 8. d pag. 18● e pag. 191. f Refut of Giff pag 1. g Luk 16 6 Refut pag 1 a Dis p 8. b pag. 182.183 Ioh 20.19 Dis. p. 10. 2 Cor 11.24 a I●a 62 4. b pag. 185. c Luk. 2.1 a Ma 28 18 b vers 17.21.22 23. c Gal 6 12 d Gal 2 14 e Ma 11 12 f pag. 185. g Iohn Bale Cent. 1. scri Brit fol. 35 h Chr. Ranulph Ci●●er i pag 186. Rom 1. 1 Cor 1 c. k Reu 17 l pag 120. a Act. and monū edit 5 p. 1180. b ibid. pag. 1181. ibidem pag 1186. ibidem pag 1189. f pag 186 M Dering 23 Lectur on Epistle to the Hebrewes pag 186.187 a pag. 187. b pag. 182. pag. 188. a 2 Cro 14.8 9.10 c. b 2 Chr. 13 2.3 c 2 Chr. 30 6. d vers 10 e vers 11. e vers 11. f vers 12. g vers 18 19.20 h 2 Kin. 18 10.11.12 2 Chr. 34. i vers 30.31.32 Fides suadēda est non imperanda Bern. in Cantic k vers 30.31.32 l Mar 1.15 16.15 ●6 Act 2.37.38 8.36.377 Act 11.18 E●h 2.8 m Act and monum edi 5 pag. 105. a As appeareth by D Downams Serm. on 1. Tim. 3.1 2 pag. 80.81.86.87 b 2 Admon fol. 43. c pag. 190 d 2 Cor 6 1● 18. e Rom. 13 f Hab. 2.4 g Act 2.4 h Psal. 2. a Ke● Sur 8 book in the preface 2 Obi●●tio● Answer Reply b Refut p. 8. c Refut pag 29. c. Discouer p. 62. c. c Platima ● vitis pootie Damasus 1 f d Blat Vtalimus 1. i e Guil Durammus f Act. and monū edi 5 pag 1184. g Guil Durandus Ifidorus h Ioan. Laziasdus i Platiua de vit Marcus 1 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 d Pla●ina Tel●sphorus Celistus 1. e Bergomen sis f Lyb 3 decretal Grego g Volator Platina Bonif. 4. i Fasci tem h Lib Con k Pap suppl anno 1604 Reasō of religion 13. l Leu 18 2 3 c a Deut 12 30 31 b vers 32 c Reuelatiō 11 8 d Deu 5 8 9 32 33 6 14 15 25 7 25 26 12 2 3.30 c Isa 1.12.13 29 13.14 Ier 1 16. Reu. 17.2 18.3 11 12 20 a pag. 196. b pag. 71 c pag 142. a pag 26. c. b Rō 9.16 1 Questions Answer c 1 Iohn 5 16. d Rō 6 23. e Refut of Gifford Discovery Apolog. c f Prou. 22 34 33. a supra pag. 74. c. b Ioh. 8 24 Act 4.12 c Canōs ano 1603 Can 4 6 7.8 c. d In his pre befor Vrsinus Catechisme a ibidem b Remoual of imput layd on the ministers of Deuo. and Corn. p. 27 c pag 169 d pag 169 e pag 172· a 〈…〉 2 pag. 325. b 9 Argum against the ceremonies a Pro 15 4 b Rev 22.2 c Canons 1603. 2 Question Answer c Iob. 3.8 a 〈◊〉 5● 16 b 〈◊〉 11 5 c Ier 3 14 d Act. 17.22.33.34 e Gal. 4 26 f Num 23 5 26. c. a T it 1 15 b Psal. 19. a pag. 2.3 c. 3 Q●estion Answer b pag. 12 42. a pag. 44. 4. Questions Answer b pag. 3● a in you sermon p. 17. b pag. 18. c pag 32 d Sermon p 17. d supra p. 19. Consider 7. e supra pag 19. Consid. 6. f. Your Ser. pag. 17 g Supra p. 23 Consid. 2. h Yovr ser. p. 18. i Mr Sions sermon on Psa. 120. Supra pag. 19. Consid. 7. n Dan. 1.4 l Your ser. pag. 19. Supra pag. 30. Consid. 8. o pag. 20. a Ier 51 2●
articles and decrees imposed vpon you to be obserued on paine of excommunication and further penalties So Christ alone is not your foundation but his seruants also you ar to whom you obey 2. Your builders are your preaching ministers but I deny them to be Gods builders let them shew when God designed them as he did Bezaleel Aholia'● to make his sanctuary let them shew by the word their office and calling as the Apostle Paul of whome mention is made in the place you allege 1 Cor 3 10. did ●n all his Epistles Otherwise not all that offer themselues to build may be admitted for you know how it is written It is not for you and for vs to build the howse vnto our God Ezra 4.3 In most of your parish assemblies you haue but one preaching minister and so but one builder and he will be a good while in building the house and if he be taken away as many are then your church wanteth one of the 4 essent all things In many parishes there be vnpreaching ministers your church maketh them builders also though you doe not and vnto such if we were among you should we be constreyned to submit our soules The Bishops are master builders in all your churches they command and control you their inferior Priests if you build not by their line they throw down quicklie all your building and thrust the builders out of dores These are like the hornes that Zacharie saw which scattered Iudah so that a man darst not lift vp his head but your preaching ministers are not like the carpenters that came to fray them away How great a jarr there is between your builders we all doe know and long it wil be ere they agree togither to build Gods house or the work be finished for Christ to dwel in when the master workmen work all awry and when as you complained to the Parliament the walls of Sion lie euen with the ground 3. The instrument of building is the word of God as you allege Eph. 2.20 deliuered by the Prophets and Apostles and Christ himselfe But your builders vse not this instrument aright in doctrine or practise they new not here with the rough stone and knotty timber they reform not the profain rebellious people neither haue they power in their armes to cut off any one wicked man for the axe of excommunication is in the Bishops hand alone and his commissaries he hath the keyes to open shut the dores of your Church the parish priest hath perhaps a weeding hook and may suspend from the sacrament a while by vertue of his service-book but the greatest wound that he can make herewith the Bishop or his substitute will quickly heal Again you haue besides the Bible Apocripha bookes commanded by law to be read in your church also that other instrument called the seruice book and with this tool your best min●sters build vp your church and the reading hereof doth now much edifie in al your parishes though the dayes hauee been when you could say that in all the order of your seruice there was no edification but confusion And who put this instrument into your ministers hands Christ in his testament appoynted none such Your church hath also Homily books to build withall and many edifying canons and ceremonies such tools the Prel●es haue allowed for your building even the instruments of the foolish she●heard Za. 11 15.16 if you will not beleeu me beleeu your selus which heretofore haue complayned and written thus No preacher may without great danger of the law vtter all the truth comprised in the book of God It is so circumscribed and wrapt within the compasse of such statutes such penalties such iniunctions such advertisements such articles such canons such sober caueats and such manifold pamphlets that in manner it doth but peep out from behind the skreen The lawes of the land the book of common prayer the Queens iniunctions the Commissioners aduertisements the Bishops canons Linwoods provincials euery Bishops articles in his dioces my Lord of Canterburies sober ●aueats his licences to preachers and his high court of prerogatiue or graue fatherly faculties these to-gither or the worst of them as some of them be too bad may not be broken or offended against but with more danger then to offend against the bible To the subscribing subscribing agayn th● third subscribing are requ●red for these preachers others are indited are fined ar prisoned are excommunicated are banished and haue worse things threatned them And the Bible that must haue no further scope then by these it is assigned Is this to professe Gods word Is this a reformation c. Thus haue we your own confessiō what manner of instruments your church is builded with and all men may see what small cause you haue to boast of the word of God amongst you The matter of the building is people ioyned togither in the profession of the Gospell And what manner of people are ioyned togither in your church are there not all sorts of profane wicked and irreligious persons as wel as religious and men of better life and where find you in the scriptures such matter for Gods howse The texts by you alleged teach farr otherweise for the Church of Corinth were saincts by calling even called of God unto the fellowship of his sonne Iesus Christ. 1 Cor 1 2 9 and the Apostle neuer sayd to any profane or confused people ye are Gods husbandry Gods building So for the other text if you had minded eyther that which is before or after it might haue stayed you from applying it to your church For the Apostle writing to the Saincts not to the profane which were at Ephesus sayth Now y● are no more strangers and forreners but citizens with the saincts and of the how should of God and after he sheweth how in Christ all the bulding coupled togither groweth vnto an holy temple in the Lord. But neyther are your people saints by calling neyther can you say of your church of England that all the bulding of all the parishes coupled togither groweth to an holy Temple in the Lord for your self here defend not all but the best on●ly And we know well that the m●ltitudes of profane wicked persons and miscreants meer strangers and forreners are of the matter of your church and are bu●lded in and with the same if the word and sacraments doe bu●ld among you even the vilest of the● when they goe to the gibbet as pleasantly as Agag did to his death Now mind with your sel●es if God haue commanded to build his house with the fine Ceder and Sittim trees you take the thornes and briars of the wildernes or wild figtrees of the playn whether Christ who is faithfull to him that hath appoynted him even as Moses was in all his house when he shall take a view of all your work will allow of
and by all the Seers saying turne from your evill wayes c. neverthelesse they would not obey but hardened th●ir necks c. 2 Ki● 17 13 14 The next place Isa 55.11 sheweth the nature of Gods word which is effect●●ll to make better or worse as he will that sendeth it not alwayes t● conuert for Pharaoh was hardned by it not onelie by the officers f●r ●●is hono●r is to all the Saincts to haue the high acts of God in their m●●thes and a two edged sword in their hands to execute vengeance in the heathens and corrections among the people c. Psal 149 6 7.9 The fruites whereby false prophets are knowne from true Mat. 7 ●0 are not the effects of their doctrine by converting men onely for so many true prophets heretofore should haue been iudged false but the doctrine it selfe and the works of life and conuersation are the prophets fruites which also may both be good in them that haue no office at all The next place Luk. 1.76 speaketh in part●cular of Iohns extraordinary office and work wherein God imployed him and proueth your purpose no more then the other Iohn 1● 1 2. speaketh of lawfull enterers into the sheepfold by the door and of theeues that clime vp an other way What this will say for your ministers I know not vnlesse to proue them theeues for their entrance into the ministerie by the d●ore that is by Christs ordinance i● his church they cannot shew no lawfull office or calling haue they to witn●sse for them Yea they are ashamed of their office calling and entrance by the Bishops and secretly doe disclaym that to their people pretend their gifts graces and effects for proof of their ministerie 〈◊〉 many of vs that haue dealt with them doe know But what say I secr●●ly nay openly and in print they haue yeelded that th●y enter not in by Christ but by a popish and vnlawfull vocati●n The like seemeth ●o be closelie implied in these your arguments where you neither name what office your preachers haue nor how lawfullie they come by it as the reader may obserue The words of the Apostle 1 Cor. 9.1 2 4.15 shew two things 1 ● lawfull office of Apostleship 2 and Gods blessing vpon his labors in that office neither of Which can be shewed by your ministers neither proueth it yo●r proposition more then the other places For I hold with you that Gods lawfull ministers are the principall and most excellent ordinarie outward meanes for to work repentance faith c. but not the onely as you would haue it The Assumption namelie that such effects doe follow your preachers doctrine is denied You refer vs for the proof thereof to that which you wrote before and I also refer the reader to that which is before answered And here I wil add a further demonstration that true repentance can not follow your preachers doctrine in as much as they teach not true repentance neyther can teach it because their mouthes are mouzled by your church that they may not speake For thus it hath enacted Whosoeuer shall hereafter affi●me that the forme of Gods worship in the Church of England established by law and conteyned in the book of Common prayer c. is a corrupt superstitious or vnlawfull worship of God or conteyneth any thing in it that is repugnant to the scriptures let him be excommunicated ipso facto and not restored but by the Bishop of the place or Archbishop after his repentance and publick revocation of such his wicked errors Whosoeuer shall hereafter affirm that the rites and ceremonies of the church of England by law established are wicked Antichristian or superstitious or such as being commanded by lawfull authority men who are zealously and godly affected may not with any good conscience approue them vse them or as occasion requireth subscribe vnto them let him be excommunicated ipso facto and not restored vntill he repent and publickly revoke such his wicked errors Whosoeuer shall hereafter aff●rm that the gouerment of the Church of Eng. vnder his Maiestie by Archbishops Bishops Deanes Archdeacons and the rest that doe bear office in the same is Antichristian or repugnant to the word of God let him be excommunicated ipso facto and so continew vntil he repent and publickly reuoke such his wicked errors Whosoeuer shall hereafter affirm or teach that the forme and manner of making and consecrating Bishops Priests and Deacons conteyneth any thing in it that is repugnant to the word of God let him be excommunicated ipso facto not to be restored vntil he repent and publicly revoke such his wicked errors These and the like constitutions hath your representatiue church of England made for maintenance of their worship ministerie ecclesiasticall gouernment rites ceremonies c against which your forward preachers heretofore so earnestly inveighed as being corrupt vnlawfull and antichristian but now behold their mouthes are shut they may not preach repentance for the many abominations that are among you if they doe they are excommunicated ipso facto and then are they neither officers nor members of your church Wherfore your ministers are eyther fain to hold their peace and be such as the Prophet complaineth of that rise not vp in the breaches nor make vp the hedge for the howse of Israel to stand in the battel in the day of the Lord or els they preach for defence of your own inuented worship pompous clergie and laudable ceremonies and are such as the prophet blameth for hauing seen a vayne vision and spoken a lying divination saying the Lord sayth it albeit he hath not spoken What reward then can they exspect for their preaching but as the Lord there threatneth that his hand shal be vpon them they shall not be in th' assembly of his people nor written in the writing of the howse of Israel Wherefore if there be any weight or soundnes in this your argument it may be returned vpon you thus The preachers after whose publick doctrine doe ordinarilie follow impenitency and continuance in an evill ●nd idolatrous estate of life in the hearers ar not the true ministers of God But after the doctrine of the preachers of your best assemblies doe ordinarily follow and appear impenitency idolatry and other fruites of the flesh in the hearers as is proued by the answer to this and to the assumption of your 4 argument for the churches Therfore the preachers of your best assemblies are not the true Ministers of God The 2 Argument SVch Ministers as haue promise of salvation in their present standing ar true Ministers of Christ. But so haue the ministers of our best assemblies Ergo. c. Proof of the assumption Because the promise of saluation is giuen to such Ministers as 1 are faithfull and wise stewards giuing the household meat in due season Mat 24 45.46 2. build gold siluer or stubble on the foundation 1 Cor 3 12 15. 3.
also command and compell all the world to be ioyned vnto the church And thus the world and the church between whom there hath been perpetuall warr mought soon be reconciled If this be a lawfull and orderly course it is strange that Christ sent forth poor fishermen to conuert sowles by preaching and set not the princes which he could as easily have done seing he had al power in heauen in earth to make disciples by compulsion and penalty Now for the parable they allege it is apparant that the same seruant was sent to compell that was before sent to call the inuited and if this be meant of the Magistrate then kings must leaue gouerning and goe to preaching We finde in the scripture that compulsion is not alwayes by the ciuill sword but sometime by instant and earnest vrging of the word and doctrine as they that compelled the Galatians to be circumcised and he that compelled the Gentiles to Iudaize And from this word compell to vrge or gather a ciuill forced compulsion is with no more reason or colour then as if some factious rebells should take vp armes for to stablish religion and allege how it is written the kingdome of heauen suffreth violence and the violent take it by force For as force and violence here is not ciuill but spiritual so is compulsion to be taken in the parable But a throne sayth Solomon gets vp in a dronkards hand and a parable in the mouth of fools Prou. 26.9 They allege that the first conuersion of our land to the faith of Christ was by preaching of the gospell Whether this were so or not remayneth for them to proue in their next book for in this they doe it not They must I suppose take the preaching of the gospel in a large sense if they will proue it For as it is vncertayn what was the fayth of the ancient Brittaines or how they were converted so for the English Saxons which were conuerred from Paganisme Mr Bale one of their own writers saith that Austen the Roman was sent as an Apostle from Gregory 1. to conuert them to a popish fayth And by an other Chronicler we learne that Pope Gregorie 1. sent this Austen the monk into Engl. with fourty monks moe which entred the ile of Thennet on the east side of Kent with a crosse with banners displayed hauing a crucifix painted vpō every one of them singing the Letany with Orate pro nobis to al Angels Archangels Patriarches Prophets Priests Apostles Martyrs Confessors Virgins Monks Nunns Heremites and finally to all hee Saincts and shee Saincts that they might haue good luck and wel to fare in setting forth their Romish religion But howsoeuer the conuersion of English men was then which is not now to be stood vpon till we hear the testimony of the best approued histories which these men say they haue for their assertion it is sure by the scripures that the churches in Rome Corinth and many other places were conuerted by the gospell yet remayn they not true churches still But say these ministers since that time many haue from age to age been called by the same means And so say I hath there been in Rome yet is she a harlot and not Christs spowse Great numbers say they were effuectally called in K. Edwards dayes I answer the whole land was compelled by ciuill force to change their forme of seruice in part and sundry true doctrines were taught in some places which some beleued but many disobeyed and rebelled as before is shewed Neyther was that confuse popish multitude with a few conuers therein a true visible church Mr Fox describeth the estate thereof by a similitude a a new face of things began now sayth he to appear as it were in a stage new players comming in and the old being thrust out Thus vpon that old stage of the popish church came new players to weet new Bishops Priests and the masse was then at first still by law reteyned but the gospel and Epistle read in English yet were not all new players for as is ther noted the preists and clergie that yeilded to the kings lawes were suffred to keep th●ir places liuings c. After this the king appoynted the c Archbishop of Cant with other Bishops c. to make one conuenient and meet order rite and fashion of common prayer and administration of Sacraments c. who did so Then in the Parliament following it was agreed that all ministers in the realm should be bound to say and vse the mattins euensong celebrating of the Lords supper c. in such order and form as was mentioned in the sayd book and none other or otherweise But the players it seemeth played not their parts well for after complaint is made how by the cloked contempt wil full winking and stubborne disobedience of Bishops and old Popish curates the book of common prayer was long after the publishing thereof eyther not knowne at all or els very irreverently vsed through many places of the realm Yet was there no great cause why the people should so despise it for as the K. answered to the rebels of Deuonsh if the seruice in the church was good in Latin it remayneth good in English for nothing is altered but to speak with knowledge that which was spoken in ignorance Now let the reader minde what was the estate of the church in those dayes and see if the word of God will approve it But there were say these men great numbers by preaching so effectually called that in Q Maries reign many sealed the truth with their blood I acknowledge it and say also that as there haue many martyrs died heretofore in the Popish church so I doubt not but great numbers at this day are by preaching so effectually called in Rome Spayn c. that if Turks or Pagans should preuayl ouer them they would mainteyn seal Christian religion with their blood rather then submit to Mahomet For as one of your best ministers hath truely sayd God of his infinite goodnesse who c●lleth thyngs that are not as though they were even in that ministery hath giuen grace vnto his Saincts it was impossible that the man of sinne should so much adulterat the word of God but that it should be to the faithfull a gospel of salvation It is further alleged h there were sundry secret congregations all Q Maries dayes which gladly receiued the gospell offred by Q. Eliz. say thes ministers if it be sayd that they ceased to be the tru churchs of Christ becaus they ioyned became one body with such as were newly come and that not of conscience but for fear onely from idolatrie we answer that they rather that-had fallen from the Gospel in Q. Maries dayes were moued by Q Eliz proclamation to ioyne themselues vnto them that had stood faithfully all that while Here is still building
of the archangel Michael Boniface the 8. shewed like honour to the 4 Euangelists and many other memorable gests are recorded of the Fathers of the See of Rome whereof there is not a word in the Testament of Christ that he or his disciples did euer the like For they appoynted not priests apparall long gownes tippers 4. horned capps as did Pope Zacharie nor a white linen surplice at seruice time as did Pope Syluester 1. They hallowed no Temples or Churches as did P. Hyginus nor Churchyards as did P. Calistus 1 Neyther ordeyned ringing of bells to call the people to diuine seruice as did P. Sabinian They appointed no Rood-loft to part the Chancel from the church as did P. B●niface 2 nor hallowed Font to Christen in or Godfathers and Godmothers at baptisme as did P Pius 1. and Hyginus They commanded not the people to goe procession as did Pope Agapetus 1. nor appoynted any Bishoping or Confirmation of children as did P Clement 1. with a great number more of like pranks vsed in the Romish seruice which Christs Apostles knew not as their writings shew But the church of Engl. as next heir of Romes constitutions reteyneth these reliques obserueth these rites and a many moe for which the Papists doe insult and say that from their treasure house the religion now established hath learned the forme of christening Marrying Churching of women Visiting the sick Burying and sundry other lik● as the books translated out of theirs doe declare And now what sayth Gods law for all such things vnto his people I am sayth he the Lord your God After the doing of the land of Aegypt wherein ye dwel shall ye not doe and after the doing of the land of Canaan whether I will bring you shall ye not doe neyther walke in their ordinances My iudgments shall ye doe and my ordinances shall ye keep to walke in them I am the Lord your God Thus he forbad them not onely the worship of false Gods but euen the imitation of idolatrous worship rites and ordinances in his seruice wherfore he charged them againe that they should not so much as inquire or ask how the nations serued their Gods that they might doe so to the Lord their God But whatsoever he commanded them they should make heed to doe it putting nothing thereto nor taking ought therfrom Yet the Bishops and Priests of Engl. haue almost all things in their Lei●ourgie according to the doings of that spiritual Aegypt the Romish church wherein they dwelt and haue imitated her worships‘ orders ceremonies c. reteyned her ministery prelacy courts and canons th● Latine being turned into English and some grosse superfluities left ou● And in defense of this worship haue these godly ministers written Mr Bernard published their work wherein if the reader see not a so●nd proof of the things that Mr Barrow whose errors they pretend to confute reproued he must impute it to the badnes of their cause which wil scars admit of any colour from the booke of God For besides the abuse of holy scriptures alleged to iustify these popish stratagems how sound diuine or rather how fond and corrupt is the reasoning of these men from Gods example and authority vnto their own practise and power that because the Lord God gaue formes of blessing prayer and psalmes to his people as the scriptures which they cite doe shew therefore their Lords the Prelates may giue them also prescript words for blessing prayer and Psalmes c. as is to be seen in their seruice book Can we thinke that Ieroboam had so slender a reason for his goldē calues Why doe not these men also plead that God gaue a law by Moses therefore ther may a law be giuen likewise by the Bishops or th' Apostles wrote a new Testament therefore the Conuocation house may also write a Testament or Gospel bring it into the church If the Prophets practise will bear them ovt in the one I see no cause why it may not vphold them in the other Wel seing neyther Mr Gifford heretofore nor these ministers now can bring better defense for the work of their own hands wherewith they worship or rather prouoke the Lords I leaue them to consider of those lawes that euery where cry ovt against and shew the punishment of idolatrie Neyther is it needfull to keep the Reader with longer answer seing Mr Barrow in the fornamed books and Mr Greenwood in a peculiar treatise against these stinted prayers and se● worship haue proued the vnlawfulnes of them by many reasons which neyther these ministers nor any other haue yet taken away And when they write agayn let them not bring proofs for things that we deney not as that Daunds Psalmes may be sung in the church and that in our prayers we may vse or apply the words that other holy men before vsed in their prayers vpon like occasions both these we grant and practise but let them proue if they be able and their right hand can help them that their own writetnn prayers psalmes c. may be read and sung in churches church●● as Gods true worship and then also they may command the clowdes to rayn no more and may cause to cease the bottels of heauen Like to their former plea and maintenance of their seruice booke is also their answer for Catechismes as for Homilies it seemes they leaue the the defense of them to the simple priests that read them but Catechismes are vsed euen by the learned preachers therefore somewhat they say for them as that the principles of religion were taught in the churches of old Rō 2.20 6 17.2 Tim 1 13 Heb. 5.12.13 14 and 6 1.2 But these ministers are eyther simple or very deceitfull so to turne away from the question For we neuer deneyed that the grounds and heads of Christian religion should be taught to the people far be it from vs but this we say the Prophets and Apostles are not found to prescribe set words for the minister to teach or the people to answer being examined And that therefore these Bishops and Priests are very presumptuous that wil take vpon them to doe that which Christs Apostles neuer did in the churches Agayn that if those men of God had to done yet seing the writings of Prophets and Apostles are canonicall scriptures and so are no mens writings now it will by no meanes follow that if they wrote catechismes to be vsed in the Church therefore men may writ some for like vse now Yea rather why are they not content with that which is already written in the scriptures but run to erroneous catechismes of humane writers such as is that authorized catechisme in the book of common prayer commanded to be vsed in the church of England Hauing heard what these godly ministers say for their people and seruice book I exspected somewhat also for defense of their own minister and the ecclesiasticall gouernment of
more to separate from the● being maynteyned in a false vnle●se a false Church haue more priv●lige t●en ● cr●e And we consider that our separation is from the corr●●ptiō of ● false Church 2. The scr●ptures also are playn that we must separate and forsake all false Churches as well as corru●tions in a true 2. Cor. 6 17. Come out from among them and separate your s●lues saith the Lord and touch no unclean th●ng and I will receiue you Reuelation 18 4 Goe out of her my people that ye receive not of her plagues Hosea 4.15 Come not ye vnto Gilgal neither give vp to Beth●ven and many the like How rightly then doe you allege scriptures as if they taught vs separation in a Church onely and not out of it also when it is false and Idolatro●s 3. Yo●r selues are a president to vs of like practise in separating not in but out of the Church of Rome as yo● haue dealt with the mother so doe we with the daughter because like mother like daughter according to the prouerb Eze. 16.44 4. You allege th● examples of all the proph●ts yet shew you not any that ●al●ed by your r●le to se●arate in the Church and not out of it Wee are sure they called the people out of the Church of Israel when it was idolatrous a●d forbad them to come at their a●semblies Hos 2.2.3.4 4 15.17 Amos. 5.5 And how they co●ld themselues joyn with that Church from which they separated others is strange ūto us especially cōsi●erin● that Israel in that estate is noted by the pro●het Azariah to be with●ut the true God without P●●ist to teach ●nd wiht●ut law 1 Chro. 15.3 and may we thinke he separated not from that Church The Israelites th●n sacr●●iced to Divils not to G●● Deut. 3● 17. Chron. 11.15 and wil yo● s●y the prophets separated not from them 5. The like I Answer to the examples of Christ and his Apostles who as t●ey absteyned from corruptio●s in the Ie●ish Church so were they q●●re sep●r●te● from all false Churches as the Sam●ritans and other like Mat 10 5. Ioh. 4.22 Act. 2.40 199 so the●r examples also doe approue our practise 6. W●ere as you would haue noted that those Churches which Christ and h●s Ap●stles co●●unicated with were Antianosaicall as yours we ●ay ar● 〈◊〉 I 〈◊〉 t●e compar●son For ● the Iewish Church consist●d it all 〈…〉 the same Leuit 20 21.16 of a people separated not onely from heathens but also from f●lse professors heretiks and idolaters and were children of the prophets a●d couenant of God Iohn 4.9 Act 3.25 But your Church c●ns●steth ●f an vnseparated people children of Idolatrous Priests strangers from the couenant of God 2. The Iewes then had their sacrifices seruices and solemne feasts according to Moses Law Mat 8.4 Mar 14.12 Luk 9. ●O 2.21 24 and Chr●st himselfe j●st●f●ed the●r worship Ioh. 4.22 but your seruice worship and f●stival● are after Antichrists law translated out of his mass-masse-booke 3. The●r Priests were according to Moses inst●tution of Aarons line Luk 1 5. with 1 Chro. 2.1 10 their Scribes and Pharisees sate in Moses cha●re Mat 23.2 your Priests after the Popes institution your prelates fit in Antichrist chair So they wer not so much against Moses as you are aga●nst Christ and that your Church reteyneth not the foundation Christ shal through his grace anone be proued The 2. Consideration 2. OVR Church hath the essentiall notes of a true church able to beget a true sauing faith to worke the fruites of the spirit to make a man a true and perfect Christian and last of all to saue him To the which also Christ hath tied his gracious promise and blessing to the end of the world Rom 10 13 17 Mat 28 19.20 Act 20.32 2 Tim. 3.15.16 1. Tim. 4.16 Iam. 1.21 Isa 55 11. Answer THese notes which you propound 1 are not the essentiall notes of a true Church a neyther if they were are they ordinariely found in your Church 1. These are not essentiall notes because 1 One man may haue al this you speake of and no one man is or can be a Church for that consisteth of a multitude or nūber of persons it is an assembly or convocation joyntly together it is a body and euery one severally is but a member 1. Cor 12 20.27 That one man may haue all your es●entiall notes may appear in Pavls exa●ple who was able to b●get a true sauing faith to worke the fruites of the spirit and so the rest 1. Cor. 4 ●5 Gal. 3 2 5. 2. An Angel may haue all the notes you mention and no Angel is a Church For example the Angel Gabriel who was sent to giue Daniel knowledge and understanding and preached liuly of Christs death the benifits thereof Dan. 9.21.22 c 3. A wicked man may doe al that you speake of but no wicked man is a true church Iudas sent forth with the other Apostles to preach and work miracles might bring others to saluation by his doctrine though h●mselfe were a re●robate Mat. 10.5 6. c 4. A true Church is the spowse hous of Christ bringeth him forth a s●irituall seed But as God gaue the blessing of multi●lying childrē onely to lawfull maried estate yet often it commeth to passe through h●s almighty power and goodne●●e that harlots also are partakers of this ble●sing and doe bring forth children so the blessing of spirituall propagation is peculiar to the true Church yet God which brought light out of darknes causeth some children to be borne and brought vp vnto him in false Churches For example the Church of Rome the mother of whordoms and abominations of the earth hath doubtles since she was wedded to Antichrist borne and brought vp by the generall true grounds of Chrstian rel●geon taught in her many children of God and heyres of saluation This I s●ppose your selues will not deny neyther yet w●ll you say that Rome is Christ true Church Your reason then is as if Thamer should haue pleaded I am able to bear c●ildren to nourse and br●ng them vp to mans estate c. therefore I am my Father Iudah● true and lawfull wife Gen. 38 15.18 c. 2. Now if these were essent●all notes which you haue set down yet helpe they you nothing for I deny that they ar ordinarily found in your Ch●rch For though I doubt not but the doctrine of your Church hath saued many yet that is Gods extraordinary blessing not the ordinarie effects of your Church This is the thin● you should haue proued by comparing yo●r Church and min●sterie with the Lawes and promises in Gods word which because you haue not done but onely quoted some scriptures generally which men of all religions may doe likeweise I will by one or two of the script●res that your selfe here ci●e shew how vnlike you are to a true Church and Ministery In Rom. 10.3.17 th' Apostle treateth of two things 1 of calling on
Anwser THe assumption or 2 part of your argument that such are the Ministers of your best assembli●s is denyed for these reasons 1 In Ephes 4. it is sayd He that is Christ gaue but your ministers are giuen by the Bishops and for disobed●ence to them are taken away agayn from your parishes Christ never gaue such hirelings 2. The ministers mentioned in Eph. 4 are Apostl●s Propets Evangelists Pastors and Teachers Your min●sters are none of these but Priests Parsons Vicars c. whose very names besides their offices calling c. shew them to be from Antichr●st 3. Your ministers gather not the Saints but persecute and scatter them as we know by experiēce they gather or keep being gathered a cōfused idolatrous multitude svch as is in their parishes the right way of gathering a church by separation from the world they know not or will not acknowledge 4. They doe not the work of Christs ministery which is aright to dispense the word seales censures c according to the scriptures but the work of Antichrists ministery in reading the service book marying burying churching of women the like as in your Leiturgie other church books are set down 5. They edify not the body of Christ but build and fortify the tower of Babel their confused assemblies which were constituted of ignorant idolatrous papists and other profane the very body of Antichrist but the way of truth and such as walke therein are evill spoken of by your Ministers as their books sermons conferences c dayly shew For all which reasons the right conclusion of your argument should be this that the ministers of your best assemblies are the ministers of Antichrist To proue your assumption you giue vs your bare word saying they do gather the Saints from the reprobats making a manifest separatiō c. This is to proue the same by the same they doe so because they do so wheras all the world may may see they doe not so For the church of Eng. and parish assemblies thereof from which we haue departed consist of all sorts of persons the ministers stand priests by law to the whole parishes whereof all are partakers of the holy things of God every one baptized c. and can you say they are not then builded in and with your church And for separation we know your priests nor the whole parish cannot excommunicate any be they never so blasphemous wicked or licentious that power is in the Bishops courts And how few are excommunicated for their heresies blasphemies atheisme or wicked life who knoweth not but for wel doing you haue excommunicated many And further if any of your ministers should goe about to make a separation or gather any other churches or assemblies then are already by the lawes of the land established and allowed they are ipso facto excommunicated by force of the Canons of your church made in Anno 1603. Can. 9 11 1● So still the open wicked remayn edified with the rest in your church there is no such separation as you against all mens knowledge doe pretend Your argument therefore is no better then as if Ieroboams priests should thus haue pleaded Those priests that teach Iacob Gods iudgements and Israel his law that put incense before the face of God and and b●rnt offrings vpon his alter are the true priests of God Deut 33.10 But these things doe we therefore we are true priests If you say their assum●tion is false the like is sayd of yours and your works plainly proue your assumption most vntrue The 4. Argument THose ministers by whose ministery and preaching the overthrow of the kingdome of Antichrist is effected are the ministers of Christ. But such are the ministers of our best assemblies Ergo the true ministers of Christ The proposition is proued 2 Cor 10 4 5.2 Thes 2.8 Reu 14.6.7.8 18 12. 11 3 11. The assumption is manifest for that the ministers of our best assemblies haue weakned and thrown down and doe still f●ght and prevayl against the kingdom of Antichrist by the power of Christ 2. Thes 2 8 and Satan cannot cast out Satan Mark 3.23 Answer THere is no cause or person so bad but many haue store of such arguments as you bring for your ministers wherein you assume take for granted that which is most needful to be proued if we wil not beleeu your bold affirmation contrary to our knowledge and the truth of your estate your ministery hath nothing to justify or confirme it The assumption of this argument I deny for your ministers haue not throwen down Antichrists kingdo●e but sought rather to hold it vp Here in sted of due proof you tel vs it is manifest for that the ministers of your best assemblies haue weakned c the kingdome of Antichrist Thus again you prou the sa●e by the sain say that is manifest which is most obscur vnknown ūto vs to discouer your falsehood I wil briefly shew how the scriptures that you bring for your propositiō do disprou your assumptiō The weapons of our warfare sayth the Apostle 2 Cor 10 4 5. are not carnall but mighty through God to cast down holds casting down the imaginations and every high thing that is exalted against the knowledge of God c. But the weapons of your ministers warfare haue been carnal not mightie through God For against the remaynders of Antichrists kingdome among you they haue sued to Parliaments that the arm of fle●h might throw down the prelates their courts and corruptions but when the state hath not hearkned to them what haue your ministers done but submitted themselues to their spirituall Lords or at least weise ceased their warfare against them and in their sermons and writings haue turned the edge of the●r sword against vs that haue departed from Babylon And what haue they throwen down by their preaching these half hundred yeares Is there any of their Romish abuses that they haue got reformed any one of the rabble of Antichristian officers courts canons c. cast out of the Church Nay themselues now are ca●t out if they speak or write any more against them as they did in times past Doe not all their people stand still in subiection vnder that Leitourgie prelacie priesthood and popish ecclesiasticall gouernment which were set ouer them at the first They haue warred with the Antichristians as did Israel with the Canaanites when they were mixed among them and learned their works and serued their idols which were their ruine Therefore are these enemies become thornes to the sides and pricks to the eyes of your best ministers and people vexing them in the land wherin they dwel as God did threaten Num. 33 55. So when th' Apostle sayth 2 Thes 2.8 that the Lord shall consume Antichrist with the spirit of his mouth and abolish him with the brightnes of his comming may we not hereby learne that Gods spirit is not in your ministers mouthes seing they
church because a great part of his word and scriptures and of the graces of his spirit are here neuer spoken nor heard nor suffred to be vttered and contrariweise much of mans word and writing is brought in as Aprocrypha books made of old the Seruice and homily books made of late in which also there be manifest errour● l●es contradictions to the holy scriptures idolatrous and and superst●tious doctrines rites ceremonses c. taught vnto and obserued by th' priests people an idle soul-murthering ministry maynteyned Chr●sts spirituall graces giuen for teaching and building vp his church quenched with other like evils The proof of this may be seen in their communiō book whose Kalender alotteth what is to be read dayly and yerely in all their Assemblies where many chapters of the Bible are wholly and perpetually excluded many Apocrypha chapters read as holy scriptures And by the written homilies the graces and vtterance of Gods spirit are extinguished that mans erroneus writing may come in place Besides this all preaching Ministers so limitted and restreyned in their doctrine that they may not preach against any sinn by publick authority establ●shed and if they doe they are silenced excommunicated c. this indignity and dishonour Christ will not suffer at mans hands to haue his word and mans word matched together his spirit spirit truth restreyned he wil be Prophet alōe or not at al. as they that with the tr●e God and his true worship had other Gods also other worships are sayd in scripture to forsake the true God and to b● without him so they that with the true Prophet and doctor Christ and his doctrine haue other also may rightly be sayd to haue forsaken him and to be w●thout him For when men set their thresholds by the Lords and their posts by his they defile his holy name with their abominations and in vayne they worship him that teach such doctrines as be precepts of men Moreover thi● Church wanteth part and communion with Christ in that propheticall office which he hath imparted to his peo●le namely power and freedom to witnes professe practise and hold forth the word of life and all that Christ hath commanded to admonish reproue one another for sinne and transgression and eyther if they repent to forgiue them or if they repent not to follow them further vnto the church and even to excommunication for their obstinate violating Gods law That they haue not power or freedome to professe and practise the truth of the Gospel in these things appeareth by their seruile subiection to the hierarchie lawes and canons which are amongst them whereby they are restreyned from professing and practising any further truth then is by law establ●shed among them but must obey follow all that their spirituall Lords the Bishops doe inioyne them and may not speake against or reproue any of the abominatiōs that ar in their church worship Ministery ceremonies c. neyther haue power to deal according to that rule of Christ Mat. 18 15. c for any sinne be it never so horrible and manifest but must leaue it to the censure of the Prelate or hi● Commissarie who at his pleasure buyeth and selleth the sins and soules of men This bondage the people should not be in if they had and inioyned the word of God which is the truth for that truth would make them free that they should not in this sort be seruants of men But now not ha●ing power to professe much lesse to practise the truth nor to reproue the euils that reign among them not hauing the free vse of Gods word in priuate nor the right and lawfull Ministery or vse therof in publick they cannot be sayd to haue Christ for their Prophet and Therefore the Church of England is not the true Church of God EVery true Church of God hath Christ for the Priest and Sacrificer of the s●me for he onely is the high Priest of our profession and to him it was sworne thou art a Priest for euer after the order of Melchisedek Heb 3 1 5.5 6 10 9 11. c. But the Church of England hath not Christ for the Priest or sacrificer of the s●me Because the gifts and sacrifices which it offreth vnto God are not presented and offred vnto him by Christ neyther is this church reconciled reconciled vnto God by him And first the worship and seruice which they performe vnto God their prayers prayses and confe●sions which now are Christ●an mens sacrifices are not offred and sanctified by Christ because they are false and id●l●trous wherewith Christ hath no communion For ●nstead of true spir●tuall prayer and prayses the fruits of Gods spirit in his ●eo●le they read a written leiturgie translated out of the Masse book and accord●ng as they are stinted in the same they speak obser●ing also the many Popish ordinances r●tes and ceremonies commanded in the same as their holy and festivall dayes holy eues and fasting d●yes absolutiō of sinns by their priests confirmatiō of Baptisme by the●r Prelates profanation of the Sacraments by pri●ate administration and howsling with them by gossips by idolatrous signes and gestures of cro●●e kneeling c. also marying by the Priest with signe of the ring churching of womē burial of the dead read●ng curses or comminations in stead of discipline besides the sundry errours and vntruthes in that book vayn repet●tions in their prayers and the like All which being commanded and vsed dayly by law of their church without ground from Gods word which approueth none of these idolatries but condemneth them are not sanctified by Christ nor presented vnto God hi● Father For he will not offer the idol sacrifices neyther will God accept such things as by his law he teacheth all men to abhorr Secondly whereas the bodyes and sowles of men are also spiritual and li●ing sacrifices and the persons offred in the Church by the Ministe●y of the Gospel should be as the holy fl●ck as the flock of Ierusalem in their solemne feasts that so the oblation of them might be acceptable being sanctified by the holy Ghost the people offred in this church are a confuse vnsanctified m●ltitude not separated from the world as before in the first argument is shewed and many of them so wicked even by the confe●sion of their own ministers and in every honest mans conscience as they neyther deseru to be layd on Gods alter nor to be touched of any true Israelite in such respect Yet ar they by the Priests of this church offred dayly vnto God in their administration and blessed in his name Yea the precious sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ remembred and re●resented by bread and wine at his supper is prostitut●● as if it were an vnholy thing to the prophane and wicked in this church which being vnworthy receiuers are
no Bishops then doth it follow most euidently that all the English Bishops be no Bishops at al as hauing no other cōsecratiō then from them And if our English Prelates be no true Bishops then surely n●yther be they Pri●sts or Minis●ers or Deacons that be ordeyned by them and so consequently the congregation of E●g● by Mr Sutcliffs argumēt not th● tru church of Christ. This is the Catholi●s argument and plea which how Mr Bern. or his brethren will wel answer and stand also to that which they haue written against vs I cannot tel Finally against that often boasting of the work and effect of the ministery of Engl I will oppose a testimony of one of their chief mi●isters yet our professed aduersary that it cannot be thought he was partial for vs at all Mr Gifford is the man that thus hath written Som● d●e wonder how it should come to passe that among vs there should be so many which being borne since the gospell was restored in this land are so zealously addicted unto Popery which th●y neuer did know and so utter enemies to the Gospel which they hear But if they weigh the causes of this deadly mischeef they will cease wondring at that and rather wonder that there be no more For how can it b● so long as there be so many abuses in the ministery but that many shall stumble and loath the Gospell For from thence as it is manifest the cheife cause of this euill doth spring True it is that our ministery doth fight against them but yet in such sort that it doth greatly increase them Seeming and pretending to tread vpon those cockatrise eggs for to breake them and so ●o destroy utterly th● viperous generation when as indeed they sit vpon them and so hatch the bro●ds of this euill kinde and bring them forth in great plenty For behold a number cry out against popery and proclaym vtter defiance in speach but their doings are such that for euery one which they conuert to the g●spel they cause an hundred to reuolt to be hardned in their errors or to fall into flat Atheisme While many cōtrary to the professiō w●ich they made when they entred setting aside the care of sowles not esteeming nor regarding what become of them studie most how to clime high and to satisfy their ambitious desire of honour taking togither liuings couetously and greedily not caring who feed the flock so they may ●●me by the fleese Moreouer the door hath been opened also ●o let into the church 〈…〉 and swarme of such as are more like the priests of Ieroboam then minister● of the gospell not onely unlearned idols which haue mouthes and speake n●t which being weary of their occupations and couet to liue easily and to that end are entred but also riotous dicers gamesters quaffers quarrellers adulterers and such like If the matter were secret I should doe amisse to make it manifest but when it is open in the sight and view of all men who can complayn iustlie when it is spoken of Let this record of Mr G●ffords for the effect of their administration and their good quallities besides togither with Mr Bernards former doctrine for their first calling and ordination by the popish prelates shew whether it be not like that this ministery will ere long make accord with the mother church of Rome that hatched it and for whom it againe hatcheth cockatrices eggs The tenth error that we should hold is that their worship in Engl. is a false worship To proue this to be an error Mr Bern. bringeth these reasons 1. That they worship no false God I answer Neyther did Ieroboam the son of Neba● who made Israel to syn yet vsed he a false worship 1 King 12. 2. That they worship the true God with no false worship for they haue the true word preached the true sacraments and their prayers are such as ma● be warranted by the word c. I answer this is but taking for granted that which he should proue for he knowes well that we deney th●se things and by many reasons in sundry bookes none of which Mr Bern. answereth haue disproued their preaching ministring of Sacraments booke prayer c. Seing he will answer nothing before written by vs let him in his next booke prooue that the Apocrypha scriptures and homily bookes which they read in Gods worship are his true word that the sacraments which the vnpreaching priests minister to their profane parishioners by their popish leitourgie are true sacraments let him approue by Gods word the obseruation of all their holy dayes fasting dayes with their prescript peculiar seruice briefly let him shew warrant for his seruice book the making and vse thereof with all the popish contents therein These are strange incense new forgeries of their own neuer appoynted by Christ or his Apostles wherefore we doubt not to affirme their worship to be false euen an humane inuention With these things Mr Bern. medle●h not but bringeth proof for other matters which we neuer denyed and referreth vs to an after treatise which now next followeth to be answered Yet ere he leaueth us he will utter all his hart and from his inner store powreth out against vs 12. errors moe wh●ch he will not spend time he saith in con●ut●tion of they are so absurd and false being also as he thinketh con●ured by the former Though nothing need be answered where no shew of proof is made yet to satisfy the reader and shew him the vanity of this aduersary I will briefly touch them all and they be these 1 That their congregations as they stand are all and euery of them vncapable before God to chuse them ministers though they desire the meanes of saluation Al such as desire the means of saluation in what congregations soeuer haue ower and liberty from God to separate from all euill and ioyne togither in good and so to enioy Gods blessings in his ministery or any other part of the Gos●el But we hold that no false church hath power from God to chuse ministers which he hath ordeyned onely for true churches 1 Cor. 12.28 E●h 4 12 R●m 12.4 5 c. we wonder with what face any Christian can say otherweise If Mr Bern. make the error to be in holding them false churches then is it the same with the 8. error before answered and is here b●t idly of him repeated 2. That God in their best assembli●s is worshipped after a false manner An other idle repetition of that which before he made our Tenth error which there was answered 3. That baptisme is not administred into the fayth of Christ simply but into the fayth of Bishops and Church of Engl. This I think is Mr Bernards vncharitable collection not our Position Though we hold baptisme among them to be administred neyther by a true minister nor after a lawfull manner but according to their own prescript Leitourgie and to the seed of
God who took our nature of the Virgin Mary is our onely and alsufficient Sauiour For proof of this they first allege that th●y receiue this truth are the people of God and in the state of saluation they that receiue it not cannot possibly be saued Mat. 16.18 Mark 16.16 1 I●h 4.2 Col 2.7 But first none of these scriptures doe say that this one article which these ministers haue set downe in this forme of words is the onely fundamentall truth in religion Neyther doth any other scripture that I know of so speake for though Christ onely is the foundation of the Christian church and though as they secondly allege no other point of religion is necessary otherwise then as it tendeth necessarily to teach or confirme this one truth yet foloweth it not but other points also are fundamental truthes the denyall of which will abolish from Christ. Secondly they haue altered added to and omitted some of the words of these scriptures for their own aduantage For fearing that we would as indeed we mean to doe presse them with the profession of the Anabaptists Papists and other heretiks they thinke to preuent vs. And first against the Anabaptists which deny that Christ took our flesh these men haue added who took our nature of the Virgin Mary Then against the papists which hold merit of works they adioyne these words our onely and alsufficient Sauiour And this because the church of England mainteyneth the truth in these points against those fore sayd heretiks On the other hand to help themselues in their corrupt Antichristian walking and false constitution they omit and mention not th' Apostles words Col. 2. wher he sayth As ye haue receiued Christ Iesus the Lord so walke in him rooted and built in him and stablished in the faith as ye haue been taught c The discreet reader may soon espy their purpose in this cunning cariage For let the position be set downe in the scripture termes and we shall see how weake their plea will be The onely fundamentall truth in religion is this That Iesus is the Christ the sonne of the liuing God comen in the flesh in whom we must beleeue and h walke being rooted and build in him and stablished in the faith as we are taught in the new testament If now these ministers will insist vpon the three first scriptures onely and generall terms that are in them it is apparant that the Papists Anabaptists and many other miscreants doe hold and professe them absolutely absolutely But if they joyne with them Colos. 2. and compare the walking rooting building and stablishing in the faith taught by th' Apostles with the Popish church or with their own it wil be found that neyther of them hold the fo●ndation Christ aright Themselues w●ll grant it of the Pap●sts and other heretiks and for their own church it is before in this treatise proued So then to come agayn vnto their reason that they hold ●e●ch and mainteyn euery part of Gods holy truth which is fundam●ntall whereby they woul● concl●de themselues to be a true chr●ch the ar●ument is deneyed F●r first if ●t were granted that th●y h●ld ●aught and mai●teyn●d every part of fund●●ental truth which yet with them is but one article onely as we haue heard it w●ll not follow necessaryly that therefore they are a true ch●rch or that they truely professe the Christ an faith There wan● two things 1 obedience to the truth professed witho●t which men shal be damned whatsoeuer they professe 2 and a right profession of the true faith onely without err●urs adioyned that ouerthrow the same faith and obedience thereto For if a people profe●sing that onely fundamentall truth which these ministers speake of should withall professe Mahomet the prophet of the Turks or H. N. the God of the Familists or any other like abomination were this misceline profession of Christ and Belial togither a true and sound profe●sion I trow not So then these ministers must alter their plea thus that they hold teach mainteyn and obey every part of the fundamentall truth and nothing els with it that ouerthrowes the same If now they say this they doe I haue before in this treatise disproued it and here agayn will briefly disproue it thus They professe to beleeu the Communion of Saincts and that the visible church is a congregation of faithfull people Yet contrariweise they hold teach and mainteyne that their own church is a true church of Christ though it consists as wel of vnholy as holy infidels as beleeuers and innumerable wicked persons openly seen and known That this they hold mainteyn is pro●ed by their continual clamors and reprochful writings against vs that call vpon them for a separation of light from darknesse It is proued by Dr W●itgifts plea before mentioned that the children of Papists heretiks and other wicked persons are and ought to be baptised amōg the● It is further proued by the visible estate of their church knowne vnto all among them and test●fied by her dearest freinds fauourers M● Gifford speaking to his brethren ●f the Communion of Saincts in Engl. sayth Yee would euen powr out your stin●ing and r●t●en p●yson like blaspemous and venemous beasts ye would speake after this manner you that are so full of the spirit you that are Saincts and su●h like What are you Di●ils are ye of the flesh No do●ut ye are vntill God convert ye But we may se how diui●ishly men ar become wicked when a man cannot make any appearance to be godly and holy but it is reproched as though it were a shamefull thing to be lead by the spirit c. These and the like records with the continuance continuance in this confused estate plainely proue an ouerthrow of that article of the true church which is the body of Christ and the body being disanulled Christ the head cannot soundly be reteyned Agayn they professe in Engl. that the pu●e word of God is to be preached the sacraments duely administred c. also that in our doings that will of God is to be followed which we haue expresly decleared vnto vs in the word of God Yet withall they professe and practise in that church to read the Apocrypha ●criptures in which are found vntruthes and errors when many parts of the authentik scripture are neuer read among them they haue also written homilies in sted of preaching a written Le●tourg●e Letany collects c. in sted of praying which Leitoargie with all the popish contents therein must be approued and vsed by all the Priests and people and God serued by it euery day They haue also an antichristian clergie ca●led and ordeyned according to their pontifical or book of ordination which ●n their beleef hath not any thing that of it selfe is s●perstitious and vngodly c. Finally all the Romish reliques yet in England to be seen in the
and dissolute quallity onely moued thereto in a lazy speculation layd wicked sacrilegious hands on the Lords ark taken his vndefiled testimonies in their defiled mouthes disgraced defaced and defamed the glory and Maiesty of di●ine rites and mysteries c. they run like hungry companions with an eye onely to the flesh pots so sel both themselues and their people for morsel of bread and messe of pottage to the Diuill He mentioneth also accursed and simonical patrons who haue sodered simoned the walls of their houses with the very blood of sowl●s some others among you speaking of that a miserable vulgus that wo●ful● crew that racked regiment of dunsticall and vnlettered Sir Iohns which haue euen couered the land like the froggs of Aegypt leading many thow sands with themselues into the ditch and ●he same not still graced countenanced by the Prelat●s as being their creatures And others complayn that whol swarms of idle scandalous popish non-resident Ministers are tolerated euery where amongst you Your selfe Mr Crashawe in this very sermon tel in of little petty Babylons namely incurable sinns among you 1. That great sacrilege and church robbing as you call it committed by Impropriations in which case you affirme at this day almost halfe of the kingdome is wherby it comes to passe that an ignorant and vnpreaching ministery is set ouer a great part of your people which is the sourse and fountayn of all other euils in your church 2. The vngodly players enterludes so rise in the nations which you call a bellish deuise the Diuils own recreation to mock at holy things by him deliuered to the heathen from them to the Papists and from them to you And these you say bring religion and holy things vpon the stage And hypocrisie a child of hel must bear the names of two churches of God Nicholas S. Antlings Simon S. Mary●veries which churches by these miscrean●s are thus dishonoured you say not on the stage onely but euen in print To this you add ●heir continuall profannesse on their phrases and sometime Atheisme and blasphemy their continuall profanening of the Sabbath which generally in the country is their play day and oftentimes Gods diuine seruice hindred or cut shorter to make room and giue time for the Diuils seruice Many other like testimonies might I allege frō your own mouthes of exceeding impiety openly practised not by the people onely but by the Priests and Clergie and how doth your discipline heal these corruptions when by your own grant such caitiffs are graced and countenanced by the prelates when your law punisheth the conscionable ministers more then such as your selfe say of your petty Babilon of Impropriations this deep wound was once curable yenough c. but now alas how incurable it is he obserues but little that sees not And vnlesse the K. Maiesty vouchsafe to take the matter into his hands otherweise it is incurable Agayn you say of that horible abuse of the Sabbath c. that est is hath been complayned of and some haue endeuoured to heal it but it is 〈◊〉 of Babylon that will not be healed but rather it creps 〈◊〉 a 〈◊〉 though the whole state from the foot to the head and if you would yet haue more add herevnto Mr Iacobs testimony who hath so manfully stood for your church The right and true discipline ecclesiasticall sayth he in ●ch proper visible church is one mayn part of the ordinary meanes of saluation appoynted by God for euery sowl and this we in England vtterly want Now let the reader iudge whether there be not deadly corruption in your discipline which euen in a true church would soon eat out if it wer not healed the hart and life and being of a church according to your demaund But you proceed and ask vs. Q. What book of Canonicall scripture receiue we not what hold we for Canonicall that is not A. What book of Canonicall scripture receiued not the idolatrous Is●elites what held they for Canonicall that was not The like I ask for the Arians Anabaptists and sundry other heretikes of these times and shall these or any of them be therfore true churches Agayn in your own church there is read for holy scripture erroneous books and lying stories as Tobie Iudith and other Apocrypha Your Homilies citing th●̄ call them holy scripture and say the holy Ghost speaketh so in the scriptures the chiefest ministers of your church sometimes preach and take texts out of them If this be not to hold them canonicall I know not what you count canonicall Q. What sacrament that Christ ordeyned doe we want and what haue we more then Christ ordeyned A. What sacrament wanted Ieroboam the son of Nebat what had he more then God ordeyned Or the Anabaptists at this day Yet if one would stand with you he might by your Communion book proue Confirmation to be a sacrament but who ordeyned it I cannot tel vnlesse Pope Clement Agayn Mr Bradshaw a man of your own church and profession hath proued against you in print that your Crosse in baptisme ring in mariage surplice c. are sacraments in your church and not of diuine institution Q. What article of faith deny we or what hold we for an article of faith this is not A. Suppose that the Papists should ask you such a question what would you answer For all the Creeds that are in your communion book are they not with euery article neyther more nor lesse in the masse book and other popish pamphlets The Papists and you both confesse Christ in words both deny him in practise Q. What fundamentall heresie doth our doctrine maintayn A. The vnlawfull commixture of the children of God and children of the Diuell in one church and communion is a fundamentall heresie being stifly mainteyned All the scritures condemne it all wel reformed churches avoyd it nature it selfe teacheth to abhorr it yet in such profane communion your church abiderh and you wil not endure to b●●r of a separation Q. What haue we in our church that ouerthrowes the being of a church A. A popish Clergie and Laitie Q. What is necessarily required to make a church that wee doe want A. You want both matter and forme of a true church namely a people called of God separated from the world and vnited with Christ and one with another according to the rules of his eternall Testament Q. I will end as I began wherein are we deadly and incurably wounded A. The sinns before mentioned are deadly wounds of Satan the onely cure is by repentance and faith in Christ Iesus ●ut as yet you be farr from cure for loe you make questions of your diseases and will not beleeue that you are sick Herevpon you refus● all salues and medicines and will neither haue physician nor chirurgian to meddle with your sores If any Leech come with a curing tong●e and words that be leaues of the tree of