pitie But say they he was carryed first to the Bishop whom he chose if hee might for his purpose such one as had bin a priest of his owne order cared least what ministers serue in his diocoese From the disdayning of poore sir Iohn our brethren mount vp againe to another slaunder of the Bishop burdening him also not onely with the popish priesthood and so to be one for the popish priestes purpose as a fauorer of popery but also to be carelesse what ministers serue in his diocoese But till they name and proue any to haue then bene or yet to be suche euill Bishops this againe may go for so a foule slaunder that it deserueth for answere a due rewarde of so great an obloquie But to come downe againe from the Bishops to olde sir Iohn lacke Latine that was carryed about on his mare or in a carte if hée was so poore to bée carryed thus baselye aboute howe is it sayd that hée had not seene some of his benefices in a dozen yeare before and that hée was carryed from shire to shire one benefice beinge distante from another 100. mile mumbling vp his articles in his morrow masse voyce in euery Church where he had liuing It might haue beene that this olde popish priest sir Iohn lacke latine might haue serued some smale cure or perhaps in some odde corner haue got a benefice but if hee had so many it is not likely that he was but a sir Iohn lacke latine if not rather had he had withall grace and truth that he had latine inough and siluer ynough also if not too much so that hée néeded not to be carryed about on his mare or in a carte for the matter There is no probability in this tale But what liuinges soeuer he had or hauing liuinges how beastly soeuer he spared his money and rode thether on his widge beaste when hee came there if he mumbled vp his articles in his morrowe masse voice meaning heereby that he did it also in such a beastely sorte that the people did not vnderstand him or that he did it not in the best reuerent hartie maner he could but that he shewed himself to doe it against the hart and for fashion sake only to saue his liuing and so returned if he came such a beaste thither as very a beast as he came this was no sufficient satisfaction to the intendement and godly meaning of the lawe And therefore if anye godly disposed persons were iustly offended at his mockery and manifest eluding of the godly meaning of this act cryed out vpon him for a counterfeite or but orderly coÌ„playned on his misdemeanor they might most easily haue had him punished the matter amended euen with the losse of all his liuinges for so apparant mocking of the statute But now howsoeuer this old sir Iohn lacke latine shifted since our brethren here cite this act of parliament anno 13. And withall doe so greatly commend the godly meaning of the sayd parliament and pitie that the authority of the same statute was abused and would haue the priestes made by the popish Priesthood and with good reason to haue bin seuerelye looked vnto in the full accoÌ„plishment of that which the said statute of so godly meaning did enact sith I hope our Bre. also meane as they speake may it please them to consider with me or with their pillow a little better of this godlye meaning of the act of the words therof then tell me whether that some if not all of their owne selues might not haue bin shrewdly touched yet may be by their manifest breach thereof And for to begin with the entendment godly meaning of the act to repeate the wordes againe marke them better The words are these That the churches of the Queenes Maiesties dominions may be serued with Pastors of sound religion beit enacted by the authority of this present parliament that euery person vnder the degree of a B. which doth or shall pretend to be a Priest or minister of gods holy word sacrameÌ„ts by reason of any other forme of institution consecration or ordering than the forme set foorth by parliament in the time of the late king of most worthy mermory king Edward the 6. or now vsed in the raigne of our most gracious soueraigne Lady c. Doe these words and the godly meaning of them reache onely to the popish Priesthood do they not plainely reache also to any fourme of institution consecration or ordering of any other neuer so much reformed churches beyond the seaâ—â— or in this realme other than the forme set foorth by Parliament in the raignes of king Edward of our now most gratious soueraigne Lady Queene Elizabeth so that the forme of institution consecration or ordering ministers Priestes or Elders which our brethren doe pretend and vrge in this learned discourse the forme that they haue prescribed in their new boke of coÌ„mon prayer these words godly meaning of the statute comprehend theÌ„ And what now if any protestation were ordeined in any reformed churches beyond the seas according to their formes of institution consecrating or ordering or according to that our brethren desire yet read not the articles nor were depriued will our brethren crie out how pitifully that authority was abused which was by the same statute committed to the B. by the negligence of the Bishops and bribery of their officers And although that braunche touche not so much these our Bre. now bicause it saith which doth or shal preteÌ„d to be a Priest or Minister of gods holy word sacraments by reason of any other institution consecratioÌ„ or ordering sith our Bre. as I take it do not pretend to haue bin ordered or made ministers by anye other forme but onely that they should or would bée made ministers by another that is by the forme following the Geneua order set out in their communion booke so that withall it haue the additions of this learned discourse and be in a Synod so escape the danger of the statutes words yet therin they both do much discredite themselues in holding by that ordeyning which they desire to leaue writing against it yet retaining it calling theÌ„selues faithful ministers are made ministers by the very same forme of a B. ordeining them which they condemne to be an vnfaithfull forme of ordeining ministers or rather no ordeining at al except Antichristian being done by the authority of one man besides that they manifestly oppose themselues to the godly meaning of the statute But how soeuer for that point of the Statute ordeined as is aforesaid they will flee for holding their Benefices from the meaninge thereof which neuerthelesse they confesse to be godly to the wordes of the statute that they pretend not to haue bin ordeined by another forme that is allowed in the statute notwithstanding in that part of the statute that
denie the habilitie of many of our brethren to be able to interpret the scriptures in the deliuerie of the doctrine thereof to be equall either with the Bishops or with any other For it is not the accesse of the Bishops dignitie that maketh the person a better interpretor then he was before he was called to the dignitie it sufficeth if being in the dignitie he imploie himselfe in his former faithfulnesse And would God our brethren also would restraine their emulation to this comparison to be equall or better in interpreting and in the deliuerie of the scripture then the Bishops as Ierome contended with Augustine And though Augustine were a Bishop Ierome but a Prieste which Ierome confesseth and yet euer sharplie threatned the conflict with Augustine if he were prouoked thereunto Neuerthe-lesse Augustine reuerently aunswereth Quanquam c For although according to the tearmes of honour which the vse of the Church hath now obtained the office of a Bishop be greater then the office of a Priest or elder notwithstanding Augustin is in many things lesse then Ierome yea correction is not to be fled from or disdained though it come from any that is the lesser And in this behalfe of interpreting the scripture Cyprian honored Tertullian and diuerse Bishops specially Alexander Theoctistus reuerenced Origen And yet these men for all their giftes in interpreting the Scriptures and deliuery of doctrine being farre superiour to the most part of the Bishops did not therefore encroch further into any superiority or equallity of authority and dignity with the Bishops Let our brethren interprete the Scriptures and deliuer the doctrine sincerelie and therein excel the Bishops as they may easily do both by cause of the Bishops great age and great imploying in the gouernment and iurisdiction of the Church As Augustine modestly confesseth of himselfe vnto Ierome saying Nam neque in me c. For I neither see in my selfe so much knowledge of the diuine scriptures yea or that now there can be as I see there is in you And if I haue any facultie in this matter I imploy it as I may to the people of God But to apply my selfe more diligentlie to my studies then for the furniture of the thinges that the people heare I cannot by any meanes for the Ecclesiasticall businesse So that héerin the inferior as these our brethren may haue more opportunity in interpreting and deliuery of the Scripture And I warrant then the Bishops will not refuse them euer a whit for their so doing but helpe encourage and defend them Which although any Bishop fore-slowed or enuied to doe yet ought not any of our brethren hauing such equal giftes with the Bishops in the interpreting of the scriptures and deliuerye of doctrine and withal being lawfully called by the Bishops into the ministery to exauthorate and withdrawe themselues from the ministery for these controuersies of equall gouernment with the Bishops But sée how captiously our brethren deale in citing the testimony ofthe Arch. for where he saith It is not to be denied but that there is an equallity of al ministers of Gods word quoad ministeriuÌ„ touching the ministery for they haue all like power to preach the word to minister the sacraments that is to say the word preached or the sacraments ministred is as effectuall in one in respect of the ministery as it is in an other But quoad ordinem politiam towching order and gouernment there hath alwayes bene and must be degrees and superiority amongst them These words do our brethren drawe to this obiection that they are not comparable in learning to the Arch-bishops and Bishops at leaste say they let their owne opinion that in interpreting the Scriptures deliuery of doctrine we are equall with them perswade them But who seeth not that these words of the Arch-bishop do not inferre an equallity of the giftes in the ministers as hauing these giftes equally but an equalitie of their ministery in the hability to haue them and doo distinguishâ— onely betweene the power of order and of iurisdiction And therefore this is but haled to aunswere the obiection of this comparison betwéen the learning of the Arch-bishops and Bishops and the learning of our brethren in the interpreting the scriptures and deliuery of doctrine to be equall But our brethren saie Who if they could straine their consciences to subscribe to the Archbishops articles they would gladly receaue them to be the Embassadors of Iesus Christ. These words againe are somewhat intricate so that wee might misse our brethrens meaning while they neither plainly expresse who they are that would gladly receaue nor whome nor what neither yet to whome these wordes to be the Embassadors of Iesus Christ are referred whether to them selues or to the Arch-bishops and Bishops But I coniecture their meaning to be this that if these our brethren could straine their coÌ„sciences to subscribe to the Arch-bishops articles they would gladly receaue those articles that they might thereby haue liberty to preach and so to be the Embassadors of Iesus Christ. If our brethrâ—n héere meane by the Arch-bishops articles the articles where-upon it was by the Arch-bishops and bishops of both prouinces the whole Cleargie in the conuocation holden at London c. 1562. Put forth by the Queenes authority some of which articles our brethren afterwarde in this learned discourse pag. 135. do roughly challenge for diuerse grosse and palpable errors how truly or falslie and with what gâ—â—d conscience they burden them therewith I reserue to the examination of the proper place But bicause they séeme not so much to meane those articles for then they should straine their consciences apparantly to farre in calling those articles the Arch-bishops articles which were the articles not onely of Arch-bishops but also of the bishops and of the whole Cleargie and sett forth by her Maiesties authority therfore I rather take it that our brethren meane by the Arch-bishops articles The Articles where-unto all such as are admitted to preach reade cathechyse minister the sacrameÌ„ts or execute anie other Eccl. function do agree and consent testifie the same by the subscription of their hands viz. 1. That her Maiestie vnder God hath and ought to haue the soueraigntie and rule ouer all manner of persons within her realmes dominions and countries of what state either Ecclesiasticall or temporall soeuer they be and that none other forraine power prelate state or potentate hath or ought to hâ—ue any iurisdiction power superiority preeminence or authority Ecclesiasticall or spirituall within her Maiesties said realmes dominions or countries 2. That the booke of common prayer and of ordering Bish. Priests Deacons contayneth in it nothing contrary to the word of God that the same may lawfully be vsed And that I my self who do subscribe wil vse the forme of the said booke prescribed in publike prayer and administration of the Sacraments and none other 3.
That I allowe the booke of Articles of religion agreed vpon by the Arch. and Bi. of both prouinces and the whole Cleargy in the conuocation holden at London in the yeere of our L. God 1562. set foorth by her Maiesties authority and do beleeue al the articles therein contained to be agreable to the word of God In witnesse where-of I haue subscribed my name If now these articles be the articles whereof our brethren say If they would straine their consciences to subscribe to the Arch. articles they woulde gladly receaue them to be the Embassadours of Iesus Christe These forée articles indéed the Arch-bishop hath set downe wherof the third comprehendeth the articles set out 1562. But what mattet is there of any of all these 3. articles that our brethren without straining of their consciences may not subscribe vnto First wil they not subscribe vnto the for-most of these 3. articles which is the summe and content of An acte restoring to the crown the auncient iurisdiction ouer the state Eccl. spirituall and abolishing all forrayne power repugnant to the same Anno 1. Eliz. cap. 1. But I thinke our brethren will not deny to subscribe to this article As concerning the second article for the booke of common prayer of ordering Bishops Priestes and Deacons these two pointes are 〈◊〉 wise enacted and authorized by like authority The one in an Acte for the vniformitie of common prayer and seruice in the church and the administration of the Sacraments Anno Eliza. 1. cap. 2. The other An acte declaring the manner of making and consecrating the Arch-bishops Bishops of this realme to be good lawful and perfect compriâ—ing therin also the ordering and consecrating of Priests ministers of Gods holy word and Sacraments and of Deacons Anno Elizab. 8. cap. 1. To all which enactings and authorizings by these our high courts of ParliameÌ„t we being the true church of God and our brethren subiects in our state although they ought to haue no small respect least they straine their coÌ„sciences in refusing to subscribe there-to and with all in renouncing their charge and office of the Embassie of Iesus Christ being so vrgent important a function Yet if they could shewe anie greater or but equivalent reasons whereas héere they shew none at al for their refusall of subscribing to these Articles then might their refusal carry at least some shewe of probability But till they shall so doe I sée not but that while they pretend the straining of their consciences if they should receaue this article they straine their consciences a great deale more if they do it indéede on conscience in that they refuse their subscription Hath the whole corporation of the realme trow ye and al the church of England and all the states thereof no conscience or no knowledge what they did Or did they contrary to their knowledge straine their consciences in the enacting and establishing these things which conteinâ— al that is comprised in this article Yea and all thinges conteined in the third article also concerning the booke of Articles agreed vpon by the Arch-bishops and Bishops of both prouinces and the whole Cleargie in the conuocation holden at London 1562. and set foorth by her Maiesties authoritie and also expresly ratified and commaunded to bee subscribed vnto and openly reade and assented vnto Anno Elizab xiâ— ca. 12. What a preiudice then is this refusall of these our brethren what a slaunder what a touche to the consciences of al these estates and person 〈◊〉 when our brethren refuse that of pretence on conscience to subscribe to all these thinges which vpon so mature deliberation both her Ma. all the estrates of the realme Eccl. Temp. haue lawfully decréeed established and authorised If our brethren haue any parts among these either represented or included I see not how they also haue not so far foorth authorized that which here they refuse to subscribe vnto For if they seclude themselues from being any parts authorising the acts autorized in Parliament conuocation they do not onely seclude them-selues from vs their brethren which I hope are as faithful ministers as they haue as gâ—od consciences also but froÌ„ the whole body of the Realme church of Eng. the haue most cléerly in al these acts aforesaid enacted and authorised all the points coÌ„teyned in these 3. art therfore they may indéed be better called in my opinion the art of the whole church realm of Eng. than the Arch. articles And when such points as are contayned in any of these art were thus by Act of Parlia enacted likewise in the reigne of K. Ed. 6. of blessed memory did the godly reuereÌ„d Preachers ministers refuse to subscribe to that which the whole church realm had so decréed authorised No the forme of their frée plaine subscription is apparant in these words Liber qui nuper c. The booke which is of late set forth by the authority of the King and of the Parl. of the Church of Engl. appointing a manner and forme of praying administring the Sacraments in the church of EnglaÌ„d Likewise also that booke set forth by the same authority of the ordination of the ministers of the church are godly repugne in nothing to the wholsom doctrine of the Gospell but they well agree and they do cheefly furder the same in very many things Therefore they are of al the faithfull members of the Church of Eng. and most of al of the ministers of the word with all readinesse of mindes and thankesgiuing to be receaued to bee approued and to be commended vnto the people of God Thus did the godly learned preachers faithful ministers theÌ„ subscribe more expresly furder then is now required of these our brethren bicause we would beare with our brethren the more sith they pretend such scruple and strayning of their consciences But I aduise them in the feare of God to beware of such preteÌ„ces on coÌ„scieÌ„ce With what coÌ„scieÌ„ce can they now not look back but turn back from the plough of God whereunto they haue bene lawfully called haue already laid to their hand now cast it quyte vp into the hedge and clean forsake it yea disclaime the most honor Embassy of Iesus C. vtterly suppresse the declaring the matter of their message because they cannot be suffered to declare it after their manner And yet crie out of such poore ministers as would faine preach if they could these can wel inough if they would but except they may as they lift they wil not Are these the parts of good faithfull Embas. and especially Embassadors of Iesus Christ Do they not feare to strain their consciences in these dealings and pretend feare of straining their conscience in subscribing to these articles but what strains of coÌ„scieÌ„ce make they to spare no reproches be they neuer so vntrue against their brethreÌ„ no not sparing
or house of God ought to be directed in all thinges according to the order prescribed by the housholder himselfe Which principle is true within the boundes thereof that is to say in all thinges that he hath prescribed But if he haue not prescribed all thinges appertayning to the externall gouernment of his Church or house then are those thinges which are not prescribed by the housholder himselfe not to be so vrged as that they ought necessarily this way or that way to be alwayes directed The Apostle Hebr. 8. verse 5. saith out of Exod. 25. verse 40. Moses was warned by God when he was about to finish the Tabernacle See sayde he that thou make all thinges according to the paterne shewed to thee in the mount But the Apostle proceeding in the ninth Chapter verse 11. applying this first Tabernacle to the second which he calleth a greater and more perfect Tabernacle not made with handes that is not of this building meaning the naturall bodie of Christe referreth not this to the mysticall bodie which is the Church or house of God and much lesse to the externall forme of regiment in all matters ecclesiasticall or belonging to the Churches gouernment No not when before chap. 3. verse 1. c. he speaketh both of Christ himselfe and of his house or Church also Therefore sayeth he holy brethren partakers of the heauenly vocation consider the Apostle and high Priest of our profession Christ Iesus who was faithfull to him that hath appointeâ— him euen as Moses was in all his house For this man was counted woorthie of more glorie thâ—n Moses in asmuch as he that hath builded the house hath more honour than the house For euery house is builded of some man and hee that hath built all thinges is God Nowe Moses verelie was faithfull in all his house as a seruant for a witnesse of the thinges which should be spoken after but Christe is as the sonne ouer his owne house whose house wee are if we holde fast the confidence and the reioysing of the hope vnto the ende Here againe we sée that this faithfulnesse in all his house as Moses was faithful is not to be reckoned as though he went about to shewe vs that all pointes of the externall regiment of the house or Churche of Christe haue a prescribed order by which they ought to bee directed in all thinges but that in the inwarde and spirituall regiment thereof we should acknowledge Iesus Christ the sonne of God to be the Lord and owner of this house and to consider him as the Apostle and high Priest of our profession that is of our Christian faith and religion and to confirme our faith in him that wee are his house or Church if wee holde fast not this or that externall forme of Ecclesiastical gouernment but the confidence and reioysing of hope vnto the ende And thus farre foorth and not furder we admit this second principle or proposition And this is necessarie to be obserued because this principle is here set downe in such captious order as insinuating that Christ had prescribed an order in all thinges in his house or Church according to the prescription whereof all thinges ought to be directed In which sense it is no principle but a question betwéene vs which wâ— denie and our brethren affirme but as yet they haue not prooued it The thirde saye they is a manifest trueth beleeued of all them that acknoweledge the Scripture of God to bee a perpetuall rule of all our life and able to make the man of God perfect prepared to all good workes Here againe another caption is to be taken héede of in this their thirde principle which order is not to bee learned else-where but in his holie woorde For if they meane it of the order that in his holie worde he hath prescribed true it is that order is not to be learned any where else as anie necessarie prescription otherwise then as an exposition of the same order for our more cleare and fuller learning thereof And so alwayes kéeping the foundation the godlie fathers and expositors may builde there-on and the godlie gouernours of the Church may beautifie and adorne the same so that all be doone to Gods glorie and to the true edifying of the Church And so this third proposition is a manifest trueth beleeued of all them that acknowledge the scripture of God to be a perfect rule of all our life and able to make the man of God perfect prepared to all good workes But it followeth not héere-upon that all generall or particuler orders in the externall gouernement of the Church are not else-where to bee learned but in Gods holie woorde except they meane by Gods holie worde such as are inclusiuely comprehended and not expresselie specified in his holie worde For they their selues haue not all their orders expressely mentioned and in all thinges prescribed in Gods holy worde For example their owne communion booke entituled The forme of Common prayers administration of the Sacramentes c. They dare not auowe that all thinges therein conteyned haue not beene learned else-where but in his holie worde and are there to be founde eyther in plaine woordes or necessarie implication but because they thinke that they are not contrarie they dare auouch thus farre to call them Agreeable to Gods worde And yet as though the agreeablenesse also might be called in question they adde héere-to And the vse of the reformed Churches And as their owne booke of Common prayers vseth all these helpes to saue all vpright for feare they might be chalenged in this poynt euen so this booke which our bretheren commende vnto vs to be A learned discourse of Ecclesiasticall gouernment prooued by the worde of God wee shall finde in the discourse thereof that the learned discoursers learned not all the orders prescribed there-in out of Gods holie worde but somewhat else-where Except they will likewise say it is agreeable or not contrarie to Gods holie worde Wherein also we shall God willing sée how they faile But if that answer may thus serue them I sée not whie it may not as well serue vs if we haue no other gouernement established but such as is agreeable and not contrarie to the holie word of God although it be not in his holie word expresselie prescribed Neither dooth this text of S. Paule 2. Tim. 3.17 anie more infringe euerie order in the churches gouernement that it maye not be learned else-where but in Gods holie worde then it dooth infringe euerie other order in the ciuill policie or administration of euerie mans morall behauiour that their orders also are not to be learned else-where but in Gods holie word Bicause thiâ— is a manifest truth beleeued of all them that acknowledge the scripture of God to be a perfect rule of all our life and able to make the man of God perfect prepared to all good workes But it sufficeth for such orders as
be vnder the Ecclesiasticall gouernment of Bishops and Arch-bishops And if they stand not thus to displace the superiour and the old standard to restore an inferiour and to set vp a new reuiued fresh and young Senior would so greatly blemish the bewtifull order of this supposed Ecclesiasticall regiment that as it is said at the second building of the Temple Esra cap. 3. ver 12. that many of the Priestes and Leuites and the chiefe of the Fathers auncient meÌ„ which had seene the firste house when the foundation of this house was laid wâ—pt with a loude voice So those that marke the bewtifull order of the Ecclesiasticall regiment in the Primitiue and pure Church indéede and the most bewtifull order of the Ecclesiasticall regiment that our brethren say the church is now restored vnto or rather vnder a name of restoring is not restored at all in those things for whiche they so contende that they rather hinder the course of the Gospell and decrease not encrease the kingdome of Christe deface his glorye make his Churche euill spoken of rende the vnitie thereof breake the broosed reede and quenche the smoaking flaxe and yet set all the house on fire and call this right reforming and restoring It woulde so little moue anye that seriouslye considereth it to embrace the state and order thereof as most bewtifull that if he did not detest it with the common aduersaries as most deformed yet loued he neuer so well the church yea the more he loued it it would make his eyes not for ioy but for gréefe of the sight to water their plants and his hearte throbbe yea bléede to behold now the moste bewtifull bryde of Iesus Christe howe her beawtie is vaded howe her ornamentes are spoyled howe her bodye is haled and almoste euen pulled in péeces what by her aduersaries what by our brethren her owne children and all vnder pretence of reforming and restoring her all is peace and encrease and glorie and embracing and bewtifull and blessed and prospered for the order and state of the Churche with them and wee that are the Churche of God also our state for sooth is a disordred state we labour long and we reape little profit by our labour Well yet thankes be to God if our state haue such ill lucke that our neighbours haue better and that this moste bewtifull regiment of the Church is restored at least among our neighbours Our neighbours This is a good hearing Aliquod bonum propter vicinum bonum And if they be so neare vs let vs know them that we may receaue some neighborlie comfort and refreshing by them Who are these our neighbors where this state thus happily is restored Do ye aske who they are Euen all the Churches that are rightlye restored Nay for Gods sake my Maisters say not so for then name me almost anie one reformed Church that in one point or other of order offices discipline rites and ceremonies differeth not one from another And which then among all these are these our neighbours which haue restored that regiment and are rightly reformed The Scottish reformed Churches are our néerest neighbours but is their gouernment and orders and making officers and administration of Sacramentes and booke of common Prayers all one with these our Learned discoursers and with the booke of common Prayers by our brethren now lastlie set forth Or rather is there not euen in the booke of common Prayer by them-selues compiled betwéene the written booke and that that is printed at Midleborough and that at London and that at Scotland aboue a hundreth yea 200. yea 300. differences one from an other and all in a booke little bigger then an Almanack but a matter wherin shoulde be greatest agréement of vniformity Nay doe our brethren héere at home agrée among them-selues in these matters of reformation Or if all bee now agreed may we set downe our rest vppon it and resolue our selues that these Learned discourses haue héere restored the onely very true whole perfect and right reformation of that moste bewtifull order of Ecclesiasticall regiment that was appointed and approoued by God himselfe exercised in the Primitiue and pure Church instituted and ordained to continue for euer O my Maisters take heede what yee saye least heereafter ye say had I wist Ye knowe whose saying that is Well well will perhaps our brethren saye some of our neighbors haue it wee name none leaste yee should say wee preiudice any good neighbour of ours as hauing not rightly reformed their Churches For though in all points that most bewtifull order of Ecclesiasticall regimeÌ„t be not restored yet is their state farre better than the disordered state of ours wherein we haue so long laboured with so little profite and contrariwise which GOD so many wayes doth blesse and prosper in our neighbours handes that if not the most yet the bewtifull order of Ecclesiasticall Regiment which they haue Yea the onelie experience of the daily encrease and glorie of the kingdome of Christe and suppression of the tyrannie of Sathan might be a sufficient perswasion for vs. Experientia est Magistra Stultorum as our brethren themselues doâ— afterwards pag. xlviij tell vs. When the Asse that caried Salte falling downe in the water and his salte melting awaie gâ—â— vp agayne discharged of his burden His fellowe Asse being loden with spoonges sawe that and hee fell downe likewise in the water to trie the like experience But his spoonges kept him downe his experience drowned him Non omnia conueniunt omnibus Experience is not alwayes good vppon examples Legibus non exemplis iudicatur Had our neighbours restored it in verye déede yet are not wee bounde to followe their example No not the example of the Primitiue Church it selfe and much lesse those that follow their example For wee séeke not nowe what we may doo or what might bee a sufficient perswasion vnto vs if we would but whetâ—er by any lawe or commaundement of Christe or anye of his Apostles wee be tied and bounde thereto yea or no. Thiâ— is the very point that wee demurr vpon If God haue so prosperously blessed them that would or haue happilie imitated that supposed old order of Ecclesiasticall Regiment God bee blessed for it We reioyce of it and congratulate with them which soeuer of our neighbours they be But neither they nor their imitation prâ—scribe vnto vs nor their experience would fitte vs. Diuerse féete haue diuerse lastes The shooe that will serue one may wring another Neither yet is our state inferiour to theirs or lesse blessed and prospered of the Lord nor hath had lesse encrease glory of the Lords kingdome nor is lesse bewtifull if we looke not with an euill eie and a male-contenteâ— minde on our owne state as he saith Fertilior seges est alienis semper in aruis Vicinumque pecus grandius vber habet There groweth alwayes greater stoare of corne within my Neighbours fieldes The greater
other debility doth so weaken him that he cannot so lowde so cleane reddily reade as a childe or a woman may do But the holy auncient Fathers did not therfore contemne the office of Readers No they considered the person whome for their calling and office they represented and permitted neither childe woman nor any man neuer so prompt a Reader in such publike and autentike manner to reade these thinges but onely those men that were lawfullye called and authorized thereunto and did greatly reuerence and estéeme this office of Readers although they were not yet made Pastors but were Readers only And shall we now contemne them condemne them when these Readers are Pastors also and say that such a Pastor reading doeth the thinges which a childe of ten yeeres olde may do as well as he And yet it followes not if there were some such Pastors whome a childe didde excell that if any such vpoÌ„ some especiall consideration were born withall we shall neuer lacke vnlearned Pastors ignorant and vngodly people simonicall and sacrilegious Patrones c. Whereas mée thinkes and I speake it bonafide and I hope bona cum venia that rather of the twaine if these our brethrens deuises should take place we should haue more coÌ„teÌ„pt of learning and greater number of vnlearned Pastors and so more ignorant and vngodly and contentious people more simonicall and sacrilegious patrones if any patrones at all should be allowed more slow forwardnesse of the building of Gods church beside other many moe new superstitious fantasies which for shortnes we omit to speake of than eyther now there is or euer was or euer would be by any direct occasion of reading a prescript number of psalmes and chapters of the Scriptures with other appointed formes of prayer as now we haue But our brethren supposing they haue héere so full confuted this publike reading of prescribed formes of prayer psalmes and chapters that wee our selues would séeke to haue it yet for a while at least to be tollerated they would cut of this also and say What though some say formall reading might be borne withall for â— time vntill the Church might be prouided of sufficient pastors which yet is not graunted shall it therfore continue alwayes to the perpetuall decay of knowledge and hurte of the Church of God Who are those some that so say that formall reading might bee borne withal for a time vntil c And what is héere meant by formal reading If it be a comelie and reuerent forme of reading a prescript number of Psalmes Chapters of the Scriptures with other appointed formes of prayer before mentioned Why shoulde anie saie it might bee borne withall for a time vntill the Church might be prouided of sufficient pastors as though the reading of these thinges should no longer be suffered but that afterward those that shoulde be thought to be sufficient pastors should haue no appointed formes of Prayer at all nor any number at all of Psalmes or chapters of the scriptures prescribed vnto them but that euery sufficient pastor might be free to vary in his formes of prayer and number of Psalmes and chapters of the scripture at his pleasure What sufficiency shall be appointed for such Pastors is not here set downe For my part I thinke there is no sufficiency in a Pastor to be counted a sufficient priuiledge so clearely to acquite him but that although he may now and then leaue out or adde or alter some part of the prescribed and appointed forme vpon occasion at his discretion yet were it not conuenient were he neuer so sufficient learned that there shoulde be no forme at all appointed For wee must not onely consider the sufficiency of the Pastor but withall the sufficiency or insufficiency of the people and the order and comlinesse of the Church Which is best obserued especially in these licentious and perillous times full of errors and corruptions not when wee are moste at libertye but when Orders appointed doe restraiue vs. But these our Brethren the Learned discoursers reiecte all suche formes of prayer and say What though some saye formall reading might be borne withall for a time vntill the Church might be prouided of sufficient Pastors which is not yet granted No is who are they that haue of late set forth this Pamphlet intituled A booke of the forme of common prayer and ministration of the sacramentes c. agreable to Gods word and the vse of the reformed Churches Is not formal reading and numbers of Psalmes and chapters of the scripture héere prescribed And if this booke of the forme of common prayer be agreable to Gods word and the vse of the reformed Churches howe is this our brethrens Learned Discourse which they call a breefe and playne declaration concerning the desires of all those faithful ministers that haue and doe seeke for the reformation of the Church of Englande agreeable to Gods word and to the vse of the reformed Churches and how do these our Brethren heere affirme that if this formall reading shoulde continue alwayes it shoulde redounde to the perpetuall decay of knowledge and hurt of the Church of God which as Bucer sayth is to the great encrease of knowledge and manifolde benefite of the Churche of God God What greater discouragement is there vnto Studentes then to see the rewardes of learning bestowed as commonly vpon the ignoraunt as vpon the Learned What encouragement is it to idlenesse and slouthfulnesse in them that be already in that vocation to beâ—old them that take no paine to liue in wealth and ease without punishment of their negligence And with what necessary consequence doth this hang vpon the continuance of an appointed forme of prayer Psalmes and Chapters May not the rewardes of learning be bestowed vpon Studentes and yet formall reading of these thinges still continue yea may not Students imploy their time more continually in their studies and haue the more leasure to study better about the expositioÌ„ of the Scriptures when the publike forme of prayer is already appointed and prescribed vnto them True it is that this is a great discouragement vnto Studentes to see the rewardes of Learning as commonlye bestowed vpon the ignoraunt as vpon the learned But woulde not euill Patrones doe so more then they doe except the superior authority of the Bishoppes did not restraine them and if it were so that all were equall and the bestowing of the rewardes of Learning lay in the election of the vnlearned and vulgar people woulde not the same discouragement as commonlye or more commonly fall out then And is this the waye to encourage Studentes vnder pretence that the rewardes of learning are not so well bestowed to spoyle and pull downe Bishoprikes Colleages Cathedrall Churches Glebes and Tythes c. And to take all this cleane away both from the vnlearned and learned too And are these men nowe so carefull of the greate discouragement of
the people This being finished the Bishop assembled into a higher place by steps to preache the Gospell of Christe The people in the meane while with a song conceiued called vpon the grace of the holy ghoste which of those steppes begunne to be called the Graduell But heere the Bishop did reade the Gospel before with great authority and then interpreted the same at the ende of the holy sermon he recited the Creede that they called the Apostles or else the Nicene or that which secondly was made Moreouer hee inuited the whole Church vnto mercie that euery man according to their abilities shoulde put somewhat into the poore-mens boxe That portion of the holy sermon they called the offertory And Pontius Paulinus teacheth that a table was wont to beset in the Church for the refection of the poore which also they called the Lordes Table and placed of the Lorde In this manner I say with these ceremonies and rites did the auncient exercise their prayers and sounde doctrine How beit this custome was not by all pointes common to all For some began the holy assembly not with the psalmes but with the crying together Kyrieâ—leison They that so did had not in vse either the Angels hymne or the collects or the Graduels verse To this agayne other sung the Alleluiah of the Hebrues as in another place Ierome sheweth Among some the bishop himselfe without all these thinges both beginneth with the sacred sermon and publique prayers added thereunto and dismisseth the assembly But no Church was compelled to sweare into the rites and ordinances of another so bee that the prayers and the holye sermons were entire and exercised holily and alwayes the best beeing contented with most few employed the cheefest partes to doctrine and to prayers Moreouer in the mysticall supper this rite was obserued well neere of all Churches The preest came foorth into the assembly The mysticall table stoode in the sight of the people furnished with bread and Wine He standing at this table blessed the people saying The lorde bee with you the people answered and with thy spirit Then he stirring vp the people vnto the most high matters and preparing the mindes of euery one of them cried Lift vp your hearts the people aunswered wee haue them lifted vp vnto the Lorde For Cyprian in his sermon of the Lords prayer saith Therefore the priest also making a praeface before the prayer prepareth the mindes of the brethren saying Lift vp your hearts while the people aunswereth VVe haue â—hem lift vp vnto the Lorde That they might be admonished how they ought to thinke on nothing but on the Lorde Thus saith Cyprian After this the preest moouing them to thanksgiuing saith Let vs giue thankes vnto the Lorde our God The people answered it is meet right we should so doe here sayd the preest It is very meete and iust right and healthfull that we should at all times euery where giue thaÌ„ks vnto thee O L. the Lord the holy father almighty eternall God through Iesus Christ our Lord For almoste all these thinges doth Aug. also in his book De bono Perseuerantiae mention cap. 13 saying That therefore which is said in the sacraments of the faithfull that we should haue our heartes lift vp to the Lord it is the gift of the Lord. Of which gift they are of the Prieste admonished to giue thanks to our God vnto whome after this speech this is said And they aunswere It is meete and iust c. But after these words the priest sayde who the day before he suffered tooke the breade gaue thanks brake it and gaue it to his Disciples saying take eate this is my body which is giuen for you and the residue which are read in the Gospell These things with great religion being accomplished the Lords prayer was sayd Which also Ierome testifieth in his 3. book against the Pelagians But also it is vulgarly receiued that the apostles did coÌ„secrate .i. celebrate the mistical supper at the praiers only of the L. praier after the L. praier the people receiued the holy mysteries by the communion of the sacraments of the body and bloud of the Lorde they grewe together into one mysticall bodye wherof Christ is the head To conclude al these things being orderly accomplished after this manner the assembly was dismissed Thus writeth Bullinger not to confirme but to confute the Popish Masse thereby And is not here a plain prescribed form of the diuine seruice both for the maner of their publike prayers and of the administration of the holy communion yea almost euen the very selfe same forme of order wordes that our book prescribeth vnto vs and although some Churches differed yet euery Church kept alwaies some one certain form or other which euery Minister might not alter at his pleasure But because after these times corruptions began to alter these ancient and holy prescribed forms of publike praier and of the sacraments Let vs nowe come euen to our dayes What Church reformed is there now where they haue not some forme of publike prayers prescribed ordinary among them and yet if there were nothing else but our Brethrens owne booke set out called the book of the form of common prayers administration of the sacraments c agreeable to Gods word and the vse of the reformed Churches It is inough sufficiently to prooue this point that there ought to be a prescribed ordinary form of diuine seruice and publike praiers not that the pastor shuld be the only maker and conceiuer of the publike prayers and the people only to approoue them and say Amen to such prayers as the pastor at that instant maketh or conceiueth Which conceptions of our brethren if they were suffered great inconuenience might grow thereon For either the people which perhaps vnderstood not his tearmes and phrases should rather stand marking and weying his words if they did so much as mark them and houer in suspence of any asâ—ent til they vnderstood the full drift of them than haue themselues any deuotion al the meane time vnto God so much as in hart silence to ioin with him till it come to the parts of closing vp their Amen vnto that wherein their harts were not in ful assent before ioyned vnto him Which when they haue marked attentiuely vnderstoode yea finally assented with their Amen neuer so frankly may rather in the end be called an aâ—sent vnto him then any publike or priuate praier vnto God with him So that that which they say here of publike praier as it pertaineth to the pastor to conceiue publike prayers so it is the duty of the whole church in the name of the whole church to ioyne in heart with the pastor in the same prayers that they knowing and vnderstanding what he hath praied may in the end geue their coÌ„sent by answering Amen This I say bangeth not together for any praier
till our Brethren haue somewhat more to alleage to debarre it than hetherto they haue brought foorth or till they can infringe those proues that we sée it sufficiently warranted by yea til they can shew with what good reason and authoritie their selues being without authoritie can set out a booke prescribing formes of coÌ„mon prayer yet the whol estate of the church of England can not so do I trust that may suffice for that point which we haue alreadie spoken thereon And as for long prescribed formes of praier they haue as long prescribed formes as our booke prescribeth in any part of the coÌ„mon prayer to be vsed yea by many oddes far longer Haue we any of al our publ prayers prescribed in our communion booke that is but a quarter so long as some of the prayers are that they haue prescribed in their book of coÌ„mon prayer being some of them aboue 200. lines a péece And howe can our Breth then for very shame find fault with our long prescribed forme of prayer Neither is this true that preaching is kept out by long prescribed formes of prayer All the formes of prayer that are prescribed in any part of our ordinarie diuine seruice may be soberly and with decent pawses vttered foorth either for the ministers or for the peoples part in the space of little more than one houre yea the lessons and all the rest of the diuine seruice within one houre a halfe eueÌ„ where the seruice is longest in saying though also much and solemne â—inging doe protract it And yet are prouisions of purpose made for contracting some partes therof at the ministers discretion for the longer continuance of the sermons or of the reading of the Homilies so that this is but a picked quarell and yet not true They coÌ„plaine further that these prayers are so pronounced by the minister that a great nuÌ„ber some not the worst disposed people thinke it pertaineth not to theÌ„ to giue eare or consent of mind vnto theÌ„ What kind of pronouncing this so pronouÌ„ced shuld be our Breth pronounce it not And therfore till the abuse be playner pronounced of our Breth we can neither denownce what fault it is nor finde in whom it lies whether in the pronouncer or in the hearer nor howe to helpe it that wee might renounce it till we knowe better what they meane If they mean that the mâ—nister so pronounceth the prayers that they can not bee vnderstoode â—hey make that to be another fault seuered and excepted from this saying afterwarde wee speake not heere of such insensible readers whose voyce eyther cannot be heard or else can non be vnderstoode But then the fault is in the pronouncer of the prayers not in the prayers so pronounced And if the minister do not his diligence so to pronounce them as he ought to do yet must they do their diligence so to marke them as well as they may For howsoeuer he pronounce them yet cannot they rightly thinke that the prayers pertaine not to them Which if they do though our Brethren say they be some not of the worst disposed in which words whoÌ„ they aime at is as darkly pronounced as the other I am sure they be not of the best disposed and indéede too badde disposed that so thinke And not onely the ministers that so pronounce but also those not of the worst disposed that so think the one for his pronouncing if hee pronounce not well that which is good and the other for his lewde opinion in thinking those good prayers pertaine not to him are both faultie and punishable And I pray God none of our Brethren their selues being I graunt not of the worste disposed thinke it pertayneth not to them to giue eare or consent vnto them For what can wee thinke that they thinke better of them that thus write against them and would haue theÌ„ cleane taken away Though here for fashion sake they finde such fault that they are not so pronounced as they should be which is indéede to allowe them if they were well pronounced Wheras their drift is quite contrarie that they should neither so nor so be pronounced at all Their next complaint is this We will not here speake of such insensible readers whose voyce eyther can not be heard or else cannot be vnderstood whereof there be great numbers Of this they say they will not here speake And why will they not here speake of it I hope it be not because they like it Or do they reserue it to another place Or do they count it so trifling a thing that it is not worth the speaking of Or doe they count it a fault and would conceale it or not haue it looked vnto and punished Or do they speake it Rhetorically they will not speake of it but they doe And good reason too that they or any other wheresoeuer such vnsensible readers are both lawefully may dutifully should both speake and complaine of them If they will speake and complaine as they ought to do not by the way of publike defamation for that eueÌ„ where the matter is true is sclanderous but by orderly presentment and humble petition vnto those that haue authoritie to ouersee that no such insensible readers be permitted Neither doth any lawe now in force allowe of them And therefore I doe the hardlier beléeue that which is here auouched there be great numbers of theÌ„ But if any such here and there be especially if it be by sicknesse or any such accidentall infirmitie growing on them as froÌ„ which euen the best of our Brethr. are not frée yea be it that such an ignorant Pastor were in some odde corner crept in as could not sensibly read the publike prayers yet what letteth this why there might not be prouision made vppon orderly complaint and proofe before the ordinarie to place other sensible readers that both can be heard and vnderstoode and the people deuoutly moued to ioyne in prayers with them Nor yet say our Brethren they will speake of the vnfitte place prescribed for the ministers standing at prayer in the East end of the house while the simple people shall stande often times 40. or 50. yeardes off in the west ende This complaint for the standing of the Minister in the most fitte and conuenient place of the Church néede the lesse indéede to be spoken of by our Brethren since other hauing authoritie thereunto haue before them both spoken considered thereupon And where vpon view it hath béene founde that the Minister stoode not in a fitte place another fitter place hath by authoritie beene appointed for him As it is apparant in most places sâ—ue where the Ministers voice may be heard and vnderstood easily inough oâ— those that list to listen thereunto except any be thicker of hearing and those may drawe néerer if they please or by the licence of the parish so farre as the decencie of their calling doth permitte And it were fitter of the
thinges wée haue the lesse néede to stande longer in aunswering of them Let vs come therefore to that which they will speake vpon But wee speake say they of this that a great multitude thinke they haue well serued God if they haue beene present at coÌ„mon prayers or any part of them as they were wont to thinke in poperie although they be neuer so vainly occupied in the Church some in walking some in talking in gathering of money not only for the poore but for other contributions c. And they that thinke they do best are occupied in their priuate prayes or in reading of bookes while their minister pronounceth publike prayers To be vainely occupied in the Church some in walking some in talking is we graunt a fault Neither is it by any lawe or order allowed that the people should so behaue themselues in the time of the common prayers If any breake the lawes and orders in that behalfe they are to sustaine the punishment of the lawe and officers are appointed to looke vnto them and present them But how then shall those of our Brethren be holden excused that to auoyde walking and talking in the time of common prayers will not come at all to heare them confirming by their contemptuous absence the Popish recusantes besides the great offence vnto their Brethren Contributions and collections for the poore and for other Ecclesiasticall orders be such thinges as were done in the primitiue Churche at the time of their Ecclesiasticall assemblies as may appeare Act. 2. ver 42. Act. 4. ver 35. Act. 6. ver 2. Act. 11. ver 29. 1. Cor. 16. ver 2. whereupon sayth Caluine vpoÌ„ one of the Sabboths c. that is vpon that day wherin they made the holy assemblies c. Moreouer the holy asseÌ„bly where the coÌ„munion of the Saints is celebrated might adde a spurre vnto theÌ„ Vpon the first day of the weeke sayth the Geneua note which the scripture calleth the Lordes day others sunday they accustomed not onely in the Church but at home also according to euery mans zeale to lay vp some peece of money towardes the reliefe of the poore Bretheren And of the like matter Paule writeth 2. Cor. 9. c. Which order S. Paule sayth that he vsed in the Churches of Galatia Macedonia Achaia and other places To the which accordeth the order of celebrating the communion that we heard before out of Iustine that so soone as euer the communion is ministred the collection is made for the poore and then followe other prayers and thankesgiuings So that these collections and contributions for the poore c. may be still done in the Churche well inough if they be made betwéene whiles at such times as the publike prayer is stayed although many good exhortations and sentences exciting the people thereunto may not amisse be read euen in the very time of making the collection or they may giue themselues to their seuerall prayers all that while And if any for their gathering of money for the poore or other contributions disturbe the aedification of the people in the common prayer and celebration of the diuine seruice they may be well reproued and put backe or complayned vpon and punished These disturbances being thus remooued if nowe a great multitude haue beene present at common prayers or at so great part therof as they could conueniently come vnto I see not why our Breth should make this their most especiall point to speake on and to finde fault withall that they should thinke they haue well serued God But to thinke this say they is as they were wont to thinke in Poperie Our Breth thinke too hardly I dare not say rashly vncharitably of their Brethren to thinke that they thinke so as did the Papistes in the blindenesse of Popery For the Papistes stoode altogether on their intention and of their opus operatum the worke wrought though they could not tell what they did or sayd and yet they thought all to be done so well and sufficiently that they did thinke it meritorious before God Whereas no Protestant doth or can so thinke And all that is set foorth in the diuine seruice common prayer is to the cleane contrarie Which being good and the true seruice of God why may not our Breth so recoÌ„fort theÌ„selues when they haue orderly ioyned themselues in deuout calling vpon God at common prayer and reuerent hearing of his word that they may well and saâ—ely thinke without any thinking of the merite of their worke wrought but as becommeth humble Christians though of themselues all vnworthie to approch before God saue that they wholely relie on his acceptation in and for Iesus Christes sake that they haue well and truely serued God and though they deserue it not yet that God will both accept it and rewarde it As concerning priuate prayers on which our Brethren heere againe doe speake wee haue spoken also before sufficiently till that bée aunswered And as for reading of bookes if it be the reading of the same prayers that the Minister publikely pronounceth the same aunswere serueth or if it be the same Chapters that he readeth or to turne their books when the Minister citeth anie text or storie out of the scriptures in his sermon homilie or exhortation Which is a point that our Brethren do allow and call vpon the people to doe and therefore I sée not why our Brethr. should so strictly at the time of the publike prayers and diuine seruice prohibite all priuate praying or priuate reading and that without exception of any suche persons as perchance be deafe or harde of hearing and for order sake would come to the Church that no suche person may priuately praye nor reade doing the same without preiudice or offence to others Thus as preaching is neglected vpon colour of publike prayers so publike prayers by priuate exercises are made altogether vnprofitable to a great number For who knoweth the right vse of publike prayer but they that are taught by the worde of God Let vs therefore establishe publike preaching and publike prayers will followe of necessitie But if wee continue to vpholde formall prayers that preaching be neglected it will come to passe that neither shall bee regarded We allowe not that preaching should be neglected vppon colour of publike prayers For both may in their orders be continued But sithe we haue not the one so ordinarie because it can not so ordinarily bee had shall we therefore haue no ordinarie of the other which wee may easilier haue and in no case wee may discontinue Did not the Iewes continue the ordinary courses and times of their publike praiers and readings of the lawe of the Psalmes of the Prophetes though they had not thâ— like ordinarie courses and times of preaching and of interpreting the same among them Neither are publike prayers though there bee no sermon so they be vsed as is
forth laborers into his haruest And is not publike praier as effectuall hereunto where 2. or 3. yea the whole congregation is gathered together in the name of Christe to beg this amoÌ„g other things of our heauenly father by their publike and formal praier as wel as priuate But say our brethren preaching is neglected Not by publike formal prayers say wee but by some other meanes But if we contniue say they to vpholde it that preaching bee neglected it will come to passe that neither shal be regarded Indéede if we should continue or vphold it to that purpose then it might so come to passe that neither of them shold be regarded And may we not say as much on the other side that if we shold continue to vpholde preaching that publike formal praier be neglected theÌ„ it might also come to passe that neither praier nor preaching shall bee regarded And our Brethren are more earnest heere to haue the publike and formall praiers neglected than are wee to haue preaching neglected So that their selues go nerer then wee doe to haue neither of them both regarded As for vs wee hope that either of these both the publike preaching and the publike praiers which they in scorne call formall prayers may be stil coÌ„tinued vpholden regarded established without any neglect or preiudice yea rather with mutuall help and establishment the one of the other And I like better of that our brethr said before that as we are taught by the worde of God the right vse of publike prayer so by publike praier when wee are taught it the establishment of the worde of God which is taught is the better continued vpholden And if praier discontinue bee neglected the neglect of preaching will followe of like necessitie As when Moses heauy hands fell down the Amalekites preuailed against the Israelites And therfore we may rather conclude that if we continue to vphold publike formal praier that publike preaching shall more formally proceede and be the lesse neglected both praier preaching be more and better regarded But our brethren wil confute our forme of publike praier by this instance For what did thrust out preaching from the Romish Churche but long prescript formes of reading of singing of praying so that their ordinarie was ynough and too much to occupy the whole day though there were no sermon VVhereas contrariwise there woulde be no ordinarie publike praier without preaching This instaunce non facit ad idem it serueth to prooue a cleane contrarie matter Haue our Brethren in such contempt and despight our ordinarie and prescript forme of publike praier that they can alleadge against it no â—itter example than the long prescript formes of reading of singing of praying in the Romish Churche True it is in-déede they did thrust out preaching beeing such an euill reading singing and praying as besides the length thereof their forme was so fraught poysoned with false doctrin errors lies Idolatries superstitions blasphemies c. that for very shame they durst not shewe their faces but were masked in a language vnknowen to the vulgare people although euen that also the stuffe being no better might be some benefite with the moâ—e danger For as their trecheries might be the harder espied so the lesse be learned Which corruptioÌ„s ignorance so traÌ„sformed their reading their singing their praying that as they had béen far better not read nor song so deserued they not the name of anie true priuate or publike prayer at all but were farre worse then the Pharisees vaine lippe labour So that these readings singings and prayings beeing cleane contrary to the worde of God no meruell though they thrust out preaching For what fellowship is there of light with darkenesse 2. Cor 6.14 And shall now those formall prayers that were indeede no true forme of prayers at all but had a forme and name of that they were not bee brought for an instance against our formall publike prayers that in all pointes are agreeable to the proportion of faith to the rule of life to the acceptable will of God and to the greate edifying of all the Congregation and cleane voyde of all false doctrine errours lies Idolatries blasphemies and superstitions either of the papists or of any others Is this a charitable or a true exemplification If our Brethren say they doe not resemble our Publike prayers to theirs for any of these pointes but onely for the long prescript formes of reading of singing and of praying So that their ordinary was ynough and too much to occupy the whole day And is the onely length then the onely cause wherefore the prescript formes of reading of singing of praying in the Romish Church should be compared vnto ours or ours to theirs but this length as they haue oftentimes before complained on it so haue we sufficiently answered that as ours are most free from all their other dangerous corruptions so are they nothing like in length to theirs as all the world may soone see by conference of them If their ordinarie was inough and too much to occupy the whole day Who séeth not that neither the reading of the Lessons and other exhortations and sentences nowe prescribed nor the saying or singing of the hymnes or Psalms nor the praying and making any supplications or thanksgiuings in our ordinarie publike prayers wil hold vs passing two or thrée houres of the whole day at the moste accounting both the morning and the euening prayer But so often as they complaine vpon the long prescript formes of reading of singing and of praying and therein compare our Churches to the Romish Church May wee remember our Brethren of their owne long prescript formes of readinâ— of singing and of praying are not the confessions that they reade in their prescribed forme of prayer a greate deale longer then ours are Their first confession to be 〈◊〉 being aboue thirteene-score lines besides their Chapters Our Ordinarie hauing but two where as they say in their booke of Common prayer Page 22. vpon the dayes appointed for the preaching of the worde when a conuenient number of the Congregation are come together that they may make fruit of their presence till the assemblie bee full one appointed by the Elderishppe shall reade some chapters of the Cannonicall bookes of Scripture singing Psalmes betwene at his discretion And this reading to bee in order as the bookes and chapters followe that from time to time the holie scriptures may be read through In these words they prescribe so indefinite a number of chapters to be read and of psalmes to be sung that we may easily coniecture they doe or may doe at their liking occupy more time than all our prescribed reading or singing néede to doe And as for their Prayers as wee haue shewed already and they are easily to sée some one or two of them beeing as much as 20. of ours besides the prayers that they leaue vnto
to him as yet they haue not hetherto done nor at this present doe And by his grace wée shal not need to feare that they will euer giue any like occasion of such inconuenience for the time to come heereafter But our brethren to terrifie vs with this terrible example as those that are already growne into the danger of the Romish Church abuses do apply their example saying For is not this opinion alreadie growne into a great many mens heades that the Seruice maie not giue place to a Sermon no though the time bee not sufficient for both And are there not manye that had muche rather heere a chaunted Mattens and Euensonge than a godlye and learned Sermon yea they frequent the one refuse the other These things me thinkes are spoken a little too captiously if they will pardon my too playnnesse on the other side in this tearme that the seruice meaning the diuine seruice or publike prayer should giue place vnto a Sermon For the time and occasion of daunger may bee suche that there may be more néede of publike prayer to those that are already grounded in faith which at other times before they hearde out of the worde than of hearing a Sermon at that instant But if there be no such necessitie to imploy the time wholly in Prayer as the Apostles did when Herod had caught Peter and put him in prison Act. 12. ver 5. and when the Israelites in their afflictions did so often cry vpon God to send them helpers I do not think that this opinion is growne into a great many mens heades meaning the Protestants that the Seruice may not giue place to a sermon though the time be not sufficient for both For although they do well zealously to loue the diuine seruice deuoutly to make their publike prayers vnto God religiously to heare his holy word which also at the same time is publikly reade vnto them yet if they may haue withall a godly learned sermon there are no good Protestants but they would wish with all their hartes if the streightnesse of the time as our brethren héere say be not sufficient for both that some part of the seruice shoulde bee lefte off and giue place to the preaching and hearing of the godlye Sermon And there are such prouisoes in the booke of common prayer already prouided for that purpose yea though there were no other Sermon but an Homilie But our brethren not content with this that the diuine seruice should be cut the shorter to the ende that the Sermon might be the longer would haue the diuine seruice to giue place to the sermon that is to say the one comming in the place of the other the diuine Seruice shoulde bee thrust cleane out of place that all the place and all the time might be taken vp of the sermon If they meane not so then will our prouisoes sufficiently serue the turne and the Sermon shall haue place and time inough and welcome whensoeuer it commeth yea the seruice also will giue some place and yet not be turned out of place For howsoeuer it may fall out at some odd times in which also the whole seruice giues the whole place and resignes vp all the time yet ordinarily there is time and place so sufficient for both that the one néede not shoulder out the other And a sober Preacher will modestly tarry his due time and let the publike prayer and diuine seruice procéede on a Gods name till it come to his conuenient opportunity to preach As S. Paule and Barnabas accustomed to do Which appeareth Act. 13. ver 14.15 c VVhen they departed from Perga they came to Antiochia a citie of Pisidia and went into the synagogue on the Saboth day and sat downe And after the lecture of the Lawe and the Prophetes the Rulers of the synagogue sent vntothem saying Ye men brethren if ye haue any word of exhortation for the people say on Then Paule stoode vp and beckened with his hande and said Men of Israell and yee that feare the lord hearken c. By which it appeareth not onely that they had an ordinary forme of the diuine seruice and publike prayer and a reading of the lawe and the Prophetes although ordinarilye they had no sermon and yet were ready to heare one whensoeuer any such fatherly men came among them which appeared vnto them to haue the gifte of God to expounde his word vnto them and to giue them some comfortable exhortation therupon yet as they stinted not this ordinary exercise of the diuine seruice though no such extraordinary Preachers came vnto them so when they admitted them and desired them as glad of them yet they made not their diuine seruice to giue place to them ceased their ordinary publike prayers or the lectures of the Law and the Prophetes But after these things done then they offered them license to preach and requested them to giue them exhortations And euen as they vsed this moderation order in the hearing of the diuine seruice of the Sermons so S. Paule tarieth while their publike prayers and their Lessons out of the law and the Prophets were ended and then he satisfieth their request and so entreth into his sermon And if all our brethren Preachers would marhe and follow this example all good men would like better of their modesty And perhaps the rashnesse vndiscretion of some to cut of all the diuine seruice and ordinary forme of publike prayers and so to bring the same into contempt to haue themselues heard in the Pulpit might bréede such an opinion in many mens heades Although this opinion also mighte bee growne into a great many mens heades on other occasions that the seruice may not giue place to a sermō no though the time be not sufficiēt for both But is their infirmity be it a wrong or right opinion a sufficient reason to take the publike prayers and the diuine seruice cleane away or that there should be no forme therof at all or being rightly vsed with a moderate time y◠time also sometime abridged to giue the more place vnto the sermon may that be truly said to thrust out preaching As for chaunting of the Mattens and Euensong if to chante bee that which in latine is Cantare in English our proper worde is to sing and the Psalmes and Hymnes and other ioyfull or dolefull ditties as our brethren their selues do vse may be sung and Mattens and Euensong are but the vsuall tearmes of the matutine or morning euening ordinary publik diuine seruice thē is it not vnlawful to heare euē a chanted Mattens and Euensong so that the chaunting or singing of them take not away the edifying by them Especially when no other kynde of matter is sung or chaunted but such as our brethren cannot deny if their owne senses be not enchaunted but may be chaunted well inough As for the Lessons they are
from the popish seruice saying So that which was woont to be saide of the Masse Missa non mâ—rdeâ— the Masse was a gentle beast and did byte no man and therefore was so well beloued of many may rightly bee verified of our ordinarye seruice For therefore a great number can so well away with it because it doth not sharply reproue them of their sinnes nor disclose the secrets of their heartes but that they may continue still in all kynd of voluptuousnesse and all other kinds of wickednesse Our Brethren beginne now more apparantly to open their stomacks against the booke of common prayer and the ordinary celebration of the diuine seruice that so expresly compare it to the Popish Masse whiche so expresly is contrary to it All the world may sée this procéedeth more of the ouerflowing of choler from the gaule than from the deliberation of iudgement in the braine If they say they compare it not vnto the Masse for any such Iohlatry superstition or any errour contayned therein wher with the Masse was farced If they do not and yet will campare it thereunto as resembling the same it appeareth not for any goodwil they beare it but for that they can fynd no such corruption in it nor can lay the leaste suspition of any such Idolatrie superstition or error to the charge of it But this notwithstanding they will compare it thus So that which was wont to be said of the Masse Missa non mordet the Masse was a gentle best and did byte no man and therefore was so well beloued of many may rightly be verified of our ordinary seruice What I pray you my brethren may rightly be verefied of our ordinarye seruice whiche was woonte to bee saide of the Masse What that it was a gentle beast did byte no man Now surely this is somewhat too beastly a tearme and too vngentle and byting a resemblance to bestow vpon the true Seruice of God Proue it false then spare it not If it be true for shame let not men and wise men and learned men and men that pretend loue of Gods truth afford so beastly a tearme on Gods seruice And how then may this be rightly verified yea and how may this be verefied that our brethren héere say of the Masse the Masse was a gentle beast and did bite no man Do they speake this in the Masses commendation or doe they thinke this a sufficient proofe héereof that they say héere it was wonte to be said Missa non mordet the masse did byte no man No did Yes that with a most perilous and venimous tooth which many felte that were bitten and stinged with it But put case it did not or could not or it would not would God that had béene the worst fault in it that it was a gentle beast and did byte no man Is that of it selfe so great faulte to bee gentle and to byte no man What do our brethren like of or delight in byting indéede it might so bée thought by these sayings but especially by all the tenor of this and of all their discourses both in writing in the pulpit For they byte often and that sore not so much their aduersaries as their brethren yea both the Eccl. ciuill Magist nor spare to byte any yea they fall to byting one another as though it were good byting a necessary thing Not remembring that S. Paule warned the Galath héereof Gal. 5.15 If ye byte deuoure one another-take ye heed least ye be consumed one of another But our Brethren speake not héere of byting one another but of the masses not byting of a man And would they haue the masse if it did not byte men to fall a byting of them If they had spoken of no barking it had béene somewhat to the purpose For the masse did byte and yet not barke and therefore indéede it was a perilous a shrewd byting beast and not a gentle beast that byte no man True it is there may come no small if not more danger euen by that that byteth not but séemeth gentle when it is abused to palliate greater vices As the Syreneâ— swéete song as the flatterers false toong as the Harlots smyling bewty and embracements as the Hypocrites shéeps clothing fasting praying almes c. and yet the harlot of Babilon besides that she was arayed in purple and Scarlet and bedeckt with golde and pretious stones pearles and had a cup of gold in her hande full of abhominations filthinesse of her fornication yet was she drunken with the blood of the Saincts and with the blood of the Martyrs of Iesus Apoc. 17.4 6. and therefore she was a curst and shrewd queane and not very gentle but coulde both byte mens flesh and drinke mens bloud And the beast on which she sate signifying the state of Rome which chiefly beareth vp the Popish Idolatry as it was also a sâ—â—rlet coloured beaste full of names of blasphemy and had seuen â—eades and ten hornes so this beast likewise could both byte and fight too I graunt the Papists allured and deceaued many with their iolly enticements that they decked their Masse withall besides their other baites attendant on her of hospitalite bowntie almes c and at this day as in times passe the monkes and friers so the Iesuites now do more hurt by their counterfet shew of holinesse learning humility faire speeches and all their pollicies to allure the people to them as the Angell of darkenes transfiguring himselfe like an Angell of light than if he should shew him selfe like a Diuel in a horrible figure And therfore the day of the L. should not come till that generall defection should firste come till the man of sinne should be disclosed euen the sonne of perdition which is an aduersary exalteeh himselfe aboue all that is called God or that is worshipped so that he doth sit as God in the tâ—mple of God shewing himselfe that he is God 2. Thes. 5.2.2 4. But when the mystery of iniquity and the wicked man shal be reuealed whom the Lorde shall consume with the spirit of his mouth and shall abolishe with the brightnesse of his comming ver 7. and 8. then shall this aduersarye shews himselfe as he is an open aduersary and this gentle beast the Masse and all her friends for her will tooth and nayle both byte and fight And I saw the beast saith S. Iohn Apo. 19.19 the Kings of the earth their warriers gathered together to make battell against him that sat on the Horse against his souldiers The Masse therefore was not a gentle beast no more than are his cruell and tigerlike Masse-mongers that for the maintenaunce of the Masse as the mother of all their Idolatry make these vnmerciful massacres and manslaughters The Masse was called an vnbloudy sacrifice but manye mens bloud was and still is sacrificed to maintaine
because it doth not sharply reproue them of their sinnes what sharpnes héerein our eager mooded brethren can best away withall or how they expound sharpnesse I am neither so sharpe set to examine nor so sharp witted for to finde Let themselues declare it But this I am sure and it is open to all that our ordinary seruice doth reproue mens sinnes in such sort of sharpenesse as the Scripture doth when it layeth before them euen the very words them-selues of the Scripture besides the admonitions ther in contayned that are plentifully and directly gathered out of the scripture And in this wise as Gods word doth it doth disclose the secretes of their hearts and lay them open both to God and to their own consciences If any contemne it or marke it not or are not mooued by it or continue still in their wickednesse the fault is their owne not to be imputed to our ordinary seruice of God but to their ordinary seruice of the Diuell And so the wicked meaning the reprobate will continue still in their voluptuousnes and all other kinde of wickednesse notwithstanding al the preaching in the world But how may our brethren rightly verifie this that a great number can so well away with our ordinary seruice c. that they may continue still in all kynde of voluptuousnesse and all other kind of wickednesse As though our booke of common prayer and ordinary seruice of the lord did teach them and foster them vp in all mischief The heathen raysed such foule slaunders on the diuine seruice of the christians in the primitiue Ch. and will our own Brethr. now breake forth into such reuiling of our their brethrens diuine seruice What could the papists our professed aduersaries haue said worse yea the most obstinate recusant of them all howe mightily do our brethren confirme them in their disloyalty But neither the Papists on the one side nor these our malcontented brethren on the other side are able or euer by Gods grace shal be to proue any one spark of anye kind of voluptuousnes or any inkling of any other kinde of wickednes to be mainteined either because or by meanes meaning directly for indirectly what may they not also accuse of our ordinary seruice prescribed forme of publike prayer But that on the cleane contrary it is an vtter enemy tendeth to the abolishment of al voluptuousnes wickednes if it be duly vsed as it should Now when our brethr haue thus bitterly defaced our ordinary seruice of the L. they return to the commeÌ„datioÌ„ of preaching Whereas by preaching their conscience is gawled their wickednes hypocrisie discouered their damnation threatned they are called to repeÌ„taÌ„ce forsaking of their pleasant sins to holines innoceÌ„cy of life And may not all this and more too be likewise said to be effected of good euen by the ministery of our ordinary seruice of the Lord if it be set foorth as it ought to be and men would heare it as they ought to doo May it not gaule a sinners conscience that hath so gauled alreadye the recusant aduersaries that they cannot in any wise abide to heare it any more yea much worse than all the preaching in the world as most contrary of al other things to all their popish blinde erroneous superstitious and Idolatrous seruice And whosoeuer shall marke the same with reuerence attention as in dutie he is bound to do shall finde our ordinary seruice of the Lorde not onely full of sound doctrine for faith godly precepts for life and excéeding swéete consolation of the spirit but he shall well féele haue he any feeling of his sin that his conscience also shall be gawled to vse our brethrens tearme to consider how godly and religious a forme of Diuine seruice it is and how vnreligiously it is neglected And withall it layeth open vnto the markers of it their sinnes before them and toucheth them with remorse thereof So that both thereby as our brethren héere speake of preaching we may likewise saye their wickednesse and hipocrysie is discouered their damnation threatned and they are called to repentaunce and forsaking of their pleasant sinnes and to holinesse and innocency of life so our ordinary seruice of the Lord besides our publike prayers which also are very effectual to mooue vs heereunto is so little to be opposed vnto preaching that it may better bee called a fruitefull kynde of preaching Not that we deny but that preaching vnderstood in his proper kynde and being well vsed worketh these effects also but we affirme this and the experience is appparant that these effects may be and oftentimes are brought to passe among vs euen by the reuerent ministerye and deuoute hearing and communicating with the Minister in the publike confessions in the publike prayers in the publike admonitions and exhortations in the publike setting forth of the appointed parts of Scripture in the publike administration and participation of the Sacraments al which are conteyned in our ordinary seruice of the Lord. I graunt wee cannot auowe all this to be done in all them that hearâ— the ordinarie seruice no more can our Brethren aâ—owe all this to bée done in all those that heare the preaching But say our Brethren So that if there be any sparke of the feare of God in them hearing preaching so often as they vse to heare seruice they will fal downe on their faces worship God acknowledging the great power of God in his Ministers 1. Cor. 14.15 This exception so that was well added and with the like exception we dare say as much of our ordinary seruice For Prayers haue as effectuall promises in their kindes to those that feare God and honour him and call vpon him as preaching hath So that if there bee anye sparke of the feare of God in them meaning true sparkes as Christ speaketh for faith As much as is a graine of of mustard seed Mat. 17.20 hearing our ordinarye seruice of the Lord especially hearing the seruice so often as we do although they heare not preaching so often because they cannot conueniently so often haue it as they conueniently may the ordinary seruice yet will they as much if not more than any euen of our brethren themselues vse to do at any preaching fall downe on their faces that is prostrat and bow down both their soules and also their bodies by inward deiection of their mindes before the Lord and by lowly bowing of their knées vnto the Lorde before his congregation as a reuerent token of their vnfained humility and so worship God as do the other faithfull Christians assembled in his name to call vpon him and to glorifie him acknowledging the great power of God in his Ministers 1. Cor. 14.25 and no small power of God in his Minist is declared to the penitent euen in the very fronte of all our ordinarye diuine seruice of the Lorde where the Minister
but to praye that all ordinarye formes of prayer shoulde bee altogether expelled that preaching may occupy all the time and place thereof Wee will not neither dare wee praye that ours or any other ordinary formes of praier shoulde in all places be in steede of preaching but that preaching shoulde rather be more often than it is and that in all places if it would please God that all places mighte be so furnished If not yet in as many places as may be But to wish all ordinarye formes of prayer to be in all places or in any place wholly displaced to place preaching God forbid it should so be or we should so with it Surely in my opinion and vnder correction this is eyther a very greate ouershot in our brethren or else it sauoureth of some woorse purpose than I would gladly surmise our brethren went about Although they not onely héerein go about to ouerthrowe all the ordinary formes of prayer that are already with vs established by all the estats and highest authority of the Church of Englande or any other that wée can make if there be any defect herein but also their own ordinary forms both that in Scotlande and that of Geneua and that of Middleborough and that which now last of all they haue renewed in London and to the which their selues haue prefixed this title A booke of the forme of cōmon prayers administration of the sacraments c. agreable to Gods word and to the vse of the reformed Churches All this booke and these their owne ordinary formes of prayers are héere prayed for by these our brethren the Learned Discoursers to be as wel as ours extinguished Yea they make no exception of the Lords owne Prayer which also is a prescribed ordinary forme of prayer But against this prayer of theirs which we pray and hope God will neither graunt nor heare we haue already at large sufficiently séene good euidence and warrant for ordinary formes of prayer in Gods Church The second thing that we haue to obserue is this that althoughe wee make it the dutie of the Pastor to pray in the name of the whole congregation yet do we not so meane but that the whole congregation with one heart and with one voice may praise God with singing of Psalmes all at once For this custome hath continued in the Church from the beginning that the congregation haue praysed God with Psalmes singing altogether If the whole cōgregation with one hart with one voice may praise God with singing of Psalms al at once or altogether then may the whole congregation with one heart with one voice al at once or altogether make their prayers to God For wheron do the Psalmes consist but euen of those parts that S. Paule 1. Tim. 2. v. 1. speaketh of to witt Deprecatiōs petitions intercessions thankesgiuinings All which if they may of all the whole congregation al at once or altogether be sung why maye they not as well of them be saide as sung if they be said distinctly and without confusion Singing I grant doth wel where it may be had where they haue tunable voices and sufficient skill to keepe their notes in tune and order But is singing more fit for prayer than is saying I am glad to heare our Brethren to fauour singing of prayers But can they not do but they must ouer-do all the whole Congregation can not sing so wel all at once or altogether or perhaps manye of them not at all except they shoulde sing a blacke sanctus But they may all at once a great deale more easily say those prayers or some psalmes that they cannot sing not onely if they can reade but if they can follow the Minister that saith the same before them And yet they be not put either to the singing or saying of all or of halfe a quarter but of some fewe and short and easy and those that they are acquainted well withall which if they can sing it is well and a good hearing But looke what they can sing that I thinke they can as easily say and as orderly too if they be so disposed But how do our brethren proue they should thus sing altogether For say they this custome hath continued in the Church from the beginning Yea and is this then a good plea with our brethren of such a custome as hath continued from the beginning Then I thinke they will bethinke them-selues a little better for the continuing superiority of one priest or Elder aboue his fellowe priests or Elders Which also hath continued in the Church from the beginning as we haue at large before declared And haue we not séene this custome also that the whole Congregatiō as wel saying as singing and that oftner saying than singing made altogether at once as with one heart so with one voice their prayers and thankesgiuings vnto God Of which continuance we haue séene the custome both in the olde testament and in the newe euen from the begining As for that our Bre make it the duty of the pastor to pray in the name of the whole congregation we deny it not that this is his duety but this debarreth not but that the whole Congregation also may now and then ioyne with the pastor with one heart and with one voyce and so well as sing so likewise may they pray altogether at once if not in their owne names but in the name of Iesus Christ yet in their owne voices and for their own selues as wel as the minister also to pray for them and in their names Which debarre of the whole congregation so to do more than debarring them of singing is too nice and precise a Scruple in our brethren without warrant either of commandement or of custome continued in the Church from the beginning for the same And these three partes of a pastors duety to preache to Minister the sacraments and to pray are so necessarily required of him in the worde of God as no man may rightly execute the office of a pastor but he that performeth all these eche one in their due time And to this part of praier may be referred the blessing of Mariages not of necessity but of ancient vse of the Church To all these three partes of a Pastors duty we assent in this manner For the first that it is his duty to preach either distinguishing of the māner of the preaching or the necessity of the duety as we haue before declared And likewise for the other two wee graunt them as necessary as our brethren doe require them and as partes of his duety Howbeit as our Brethren here at length do confesse not alwayes either these two and much lesse all these three to bee necessarily executed and performed all at once but each one in their due time So that although preaching in the sense as our Brethren vnderstand distinct from teaching want vpon any necessary or conuenient
the liuing because though the bodies only be there lodged as in a house yet their soules sléeps not but are liuing The Germanes call it Gottes acker of ager dei the aker or field of God And we terme it the Churchyearde as the measure of yearth pertaining to the Church deriued of the old worde kyrke-gerth yet vsed in the North as the yearth that is dedicated vnto the Lord not vnaptly fetched from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And what place fitter all superstition being disclaimed than is this ground if not of the Churche yet of this Churchyeard for our burials But as our Brethr. finde fault with this distinction of places so they finde fault with this distinctioÌ„ of our maner of burying the dead that we burie some with more pompe as singing ringing c. some with lesse If our Brethren take pompe in the better sense would they haue all persons buried with like pompe Or if in the worst sense would they haue no pompe nor solemnitie vsed at al at any persons burial but what this pompe should be except that they mention only singing ringing I can not certainly tel For they suppresse the residue with an c. but that singing or ringing is vtterly or then vnlawfull or any to be buried with more solemnitie than other according to the decencie of their state calling me thinks our Brethr. herein should not be so hard to condemne the distinction of that also as in it selfe meerely superstitious We read in the old Testament of great distinction about the buriall of the dead euen of the holy Patriarkes Who were all buried in such solemne place maner as Abraham buried his wife Gen. 23. And was himselfe buried Gen. 25 and as Isaac was buried and Rachel Iacobs wife Gen. 35. and as Iacob Ioseph Gen. 50. and diuerse others that were buried more solemnly than other were Neither was the greater pompe of their funerall estéemed of the holy fathers before the coÌ„ming of christ a superstitious but a decent an honorable thing Neither was it any such figure of Christes more honorable buriall as Zegedinus thinketh that it should cease after the buriall of Christ and that we should now be buried all alike no it rather argueth as Selnecserus therein thinketh much better in my opinion that a Christian man according to his higher estate or to the excellencie of his life in his calling may haue without superstition a more honorable buriall And as it appeareth how Stephen was buried Act. 8. with greater mourning than were the common sort of Christians in those daies As for the offence which our Brethren take with burying towards the East I thinke it not a matter so worthy as to haue bin once noted in their Learned Disc. Indéede it is a common order among Christians so to burie the dead as wel to differ from Turkes Iewes as also making no necessitie of the matter nor matter of religion to be the more signe that they haue the better hope of the resurrection in laying the corps of the dead Christians in such maner as though they respected the reddier lifting vp of them selues when they shall all be raysed to life againe to beholde the coÌ„ming of our Sauiour Christe which to vs warde asâ—ended in the Easte Not to tie him to descende here or there or that they doubted but that whersoeuer they be howsoeuer they lie or shal be coÌ„sumed he will at the glorious appearance of his coÌ„ming gather theÌ„ all vnto him as he saith Luc. 13.29 Then shall many come from the East from the West froÌ„ the North and from the South shal sit at the table in the kingdome of God And I take that our auncestors in these west parts in so laying the dead had this especiall respect If any did it superstitiously or made any matter of religion in so doing I excuse him not and thinke so it be done without offence or contempt of the common order that they may vse it otherwise without anie daunger or impediment for any thing I know to the contrarie As for the other things meÌ„tioned here by our Brethr. as they were proper to the aduersaries of the Gospell so God be praised they are remooued Neither doth our prescribed forme of Buriall allow them or giue any the least occasion to any of all those heresies errors or superstitions But now to auoide all occasion oâ— heresies errors and superstitions what forme of buriall would our Brethren haue Forsooth they say It is thought good to the best right reformed churches to bury their dead reuerently without any ceremonies of praying or preaching at them Here is a short manner indéede of burying the dead and agréeth herein with the booke of the Forme of Common prayer which our Brethren haue of late set out Wherein vpon the title of buriall they say The corps is reuerently to be brought to the graue accompanied with the neighbours in comely manner without any further ceremonie And this is all that they say there of the forme of buriall But if this be the forme of the best and right reformed Churches what shall we then say to goe no further than euen to the Church of Geneua it selfe to the booke called The forme of prayers and ministration of the sacramentes c. vsed in the English congregation at Geneua and approued by the famous and godly learned man Iohn Caluine Which booke on the title of buriall pag. 88. sayth on this wise The corps is reuerently brought to the graue accompanied with the congregation without any further ceremonies which being buried the minister goeth to the Churche if it be not farre off and maketh some comfortable exhortation to the people touching death and resurrection Here is yet a Sermon to be preached at least wise some comfortable exhortation to be made by the Minister at the buriall of the dead though not at the very place for neither doe we so tie it to the place of buriall The dead may be buried in the Church-yeard or any other place assigned thereunto and the sermon be in the Churche and neuerthelesse be well saide to be at the buriall because it is made for that especiall purpose and for that commonlye the congregation is not dismissed all in a doombe and silent action but that some wordes of consolation are vttered by the Minister ere they depart Bucer in his Epitome Ecel Argentinae cap. 27. saith on this wise We teach concerning those whom the Lord in the confession of his name hath receaued to himselfe out of this life that they are withal feare of God and honestly to be committed to the earth and there the people out of the worde of God to be admonished of the heauie iudgement of God against sinne and also of the redemption of Christe who hath redeemed vs from death and of the aeternall life which he hath purchased to all his faithfull After which men are to be exhorted
wordes that the Prayer booke speaketh of his cheefe office which indéede it doth but so that it debarreth from him in the other inferior matters all authority quite and cleane and leaues him onely to bare Councell where Caluine giueth him and them both Councell and authoritie in common and likewise our Brethren heere say that the pastors are ioyned also in gouernment with them Which saying of our brethren is yet far better then his abridging abasing or rather annihilating of the Pastors authority in the gouernment of the Church and giuing all to these not teaching Elders and onely counsell to the pastors Howbeit the sayde bookes of Common Prayer doe after ward cleane againe contrary themselues saying in the title of Elders whose office standeth in gouerning with the rest of the Minist in consulting admonishing correcting ordring al things pertaining to the comely directiō of the congregation they differ from the Ministers in that they preach not the word nor minister the sacraments In which wordes they giue the Pastors not only counsell but authority and as doe our Brethren héere ioine them in Gouernment both together Which though of the twaine it be the better yet to ioyne these Elders not teaching in equall and ioynt authoritie of Ecclesiasticall Gouernment with the Pastors neyther is it conuenient nor oure Brethren haue prooued it nor wee learne it by anye playne wordes or necessary consequence out of this testimonie 1. Timothy 5.17 And as for the third point which shoulde rather haue béene the first or second that the name of Elder comprehendeth both sortes of Elders for such Elders as our Brethren héere pleade they can not prooue it at leastwise as yet they haue not Notwithstanding taking Elders as wée haue sayde before though this place of Saint Paule doe not inferre it and so we learne it not also out of this testimony yet in other places wee learne it plaine ynough and freely graunt in the church two sortes of Elders Now although this may suffice to aunswere our Brethrens testimonyes out of S. Paule to Timothy that wee can not learne by any inferrence of this place there were such Elders then as our Brethren gather that there were yet on this occasion to procéede a little further herein either for our Brethrens fuller satisfaction at least wise for the plainer opening of the matter to any indifferent or not to much forestalled iudgement it is the more probable by all likelihood that S. Paul in this place meant not any such gouerning Elders as medled not with teaching because the text it selfe if we peruse that that goeth before and that commeth after speaketh of such Elders as either our Brethren them selues vnderstande for Elders in age not in office as ver 1. rebuking not an Elder or if in office of such onely as medled with teaching so well as with gouernment As immediately after his proofe of this testimony S. Paule procéedeth saying against an Elder admit no accusation except vnder 2. or 3. witnesses Which our breth confesse is spoken of an Elder medling with teaching as we haue before at large declared And as for all the auncient fathers at least those which I haue red gather in their Commentaries thereupon no other kind of Elder then such as medled with teaching in their Gouernment Chrisostome Homil. 15. writing vpon this place sayth on this wise The Elders that gouerne well are worthy of double honour moste of all they that labor in th◠word and doctrine For sayth the Scripture Thou shalt not moosle the mouthe of the Oxe that treadeth out th◠corne and the VVorke-man is worthie his rewarde Hee calleth in this place obedience and the yeelding of necessary things honor For that which followeth Thou shalt not moosle the mouth of the Oxe that treadeth out the Corne and the VVorke-man is worthie his reward signifieth this And therefore when hee commaunded Widowes to bee nourished with honour it shoulde bee referred to their necessary liuing that it may serue to suffice them that are widowes indeeede And agayne Honor the Widdowes that is those that are in poore estate For howe much the poorer shee is the more shee is a Widdow Hee setteth downe the testimony of the Lawe and addeth the testimony of Christe and both of them agree together For the Lawe sayth Thou shalt not moosle the Oxes mouth that treadeth out the Corne. Thou seest howe hee woulde haue the Doctor to labor Truely there is no other labour to bee compared thereunto Hee addeth the Testimonye of Christe For hee that is hired is worthy his rewarde let vs not therefore looke onely to the rewarde But let vs nowe also heare the precept He that is hired saith he is worthy his reward If any therfore shall bee dainty or remis he indeed is not worthy Except any shal be the oxe treading out the Corne and bearing the yoke he shall draw against the cold and against the thrones nor depart till he haue done he is not worthy It behoueth therefore that the doctors haue their liuing abundantly ministred vnto them least they faint or be weakened or be occupied in the least matters and depriue them-selues and others of the great that they may labor the matters that are spiritual hauing no regard to the seculer things Such kinde of persons were the Leuites which had no care to the things seculer in such sorte as had the laity For the caring for the Leuites was permitted to them to witte to the Laity and by lawe were appointed for them reuenewes tenths Golde first fruites vowes or offerings and many other things but these thinges were by the lawe worthily permitted to them that only sought the thinges present and earthly I may boldely say therefore that the prelates or gouernors of the Church ought to haue nothing but their liuing and their apparelling that they shoulde not bee drawen with lusting after these things But what is that he saith with double honor think we that it is spoken of double for that it is stretched to the widdowes and to the Deacons or ministers or else is it put of double that is to say of grace let vs not therefore look onely to that that he sayd he is worthy of double honor but let vs much more mark that which hee added they that gouern well But what is it to gouern well Harken to Christe saying the good pastor layeth his life for his sheepe To gouern wel therfore is this to spare none of them for their gouernment sake Chiefly saith he they which labor in the word doctrine Wher now are they that say there is no need of the word and doctrine sith with such study Paul admonisheth Timothy saying meditate these things in these things be thou And again Intend to reading and consolation for doing this thou shalt both saue thy self and them that hear thee And these he commandeth cheefly of all to be honored he addeth the cause saying for they sustain much
Magistrates for we will not speake of Sergius Paulus Proconsull of Cyprus because he was but a Liefetenant of the Romane Emperour this authoritie was proper vnto the Synode If Donatistes Anabaptistes or Papistes had repeted this reason I would lesse haue marueiled For this argument is the common refuge of all these three most pernitious Heretikes and enemies to the authoritie of the ciuill Christian Magistrate When the Emperours made lawes against the Donatistes and they vsed this reason against the Emperours Saint Augustine aunswereth them thus Non inuenitur c. There is not founde an example in the Euangelicall and Apostolicall writinges that any thing was craued of the Kinges of the earth for the Church against the enemies of the Church who denieth that it is not founde But as yet that prophecie was not fulfilled And nowe ye kinges vnderstande and bee yee learned that iudge the earth serue the Lorde in feare For as yet that was fulfilled which is sayde a little before in the same psalme Wherefore did the Gentiles fret and the people imagine vaine thinges The Kinges of the earth and the Princes came together in one against the Lorde and against his Christe or his annointed Neuerthelesse if the factes forepassed in the propheticall bookes were figures of thinges to come in that King which is called Nabuchodonozor eyther of the times was figured both that which the Church had vnder the Apostles and that it nowe hath In the time therefore of the Apostles and martyrs that was fulfilled which was figured when the King whome wee haue mentioned did compell the Godly and the iust to worship Images and commaunded them that refused to bee casâ— into the flambes But now is that fulfilled which a little after was figured in the same King when as hee beeing conuerted to honour the true God decreed in his kingdome that whosoeuer blasphemed the God of Sydrak Misak and Abednago shoulde suffer due punishmentes The former time therefore of that King did signify the former times of the infidell Kings which the Christians suffered for the wicked But the later time of that king did signify the times of the later Kinges that are nowe faythfull which the wicked suffer for the Christians Thus sayth S. Augustine against the Donatistes that vsed this argument against the Lawes and decrees of the Emperors that in the Apostles times there were no Christian Princes that Christ appointed not Princes but Preachers to meddle in matters of Religion and at this day the Papistes and Anabaptistes furbish ouer a fresh the same arguments and will our Brethren nowe gather vp once again the off-scourings of these their rotten reasons to furnish their Learned Discourse of their Pastors and Elders in their assemblies and Synodes against the lawfull authoritie in Ecclesiasticall matters of the ciuil Christian Magistrate But wee haue scene this reason before sufficiently confuted by Gellius Snecanus a principall fauorite of our Brethren to whose further confutations I remit them Who confuteth also this exception of Paulus Sergius which namely heere our Brethren put backe and will not admitte But their reason is ouer weake Because hee was but a liefetenant of the Romayne Emperour For if he were the Emperors Lifetenant he represented to them where he was liefetenant the cheef authoritie of the Emperour himselfe euen as much as Pilato Festus or Felix did in Iurie And if the people did obey him before hee was a Christian did his Christianitie among those people that were conuerâ—ed likewise ouer whome he still gouerned diminish his authoritie but what meane they heereby doe they reiect all argumentes for proofe of the authoritie of the ciuill Christian Magistrate if they bee not as meere Monarkes as was the Emperor what an aduantage were this giuen to the Anabaptists and what a number of Snecanus examples were hereby defeated And yet doth not this argument holde that because this authoritie was proper to the Synode before there were any Christian Magistrates and â—o the Synode then decreed all such caeremonial constitutions without yea agaynst the consent of the ciuill magistrate because as they say there were not then any Christian Magistrates that yet it so remayneth still proper to the Synode to decree all such caeremonial constitutions without yea against the Ciuill Magistrate being now become a Christian Magistrate But they can-not doe so nowe the state of the Prince being the principall partie ouer them and agreeing in faith with them as they could do them or rather could do them otherwise So that all the case is cleane altered by this so great an alteration And nowe if they will not haue the ciuill Christian Magistrate to decree any such caeremonial constitutions without and against the Pastors consent is it meete the Pastors shoulde on the other side decree any such constitutions without and against the consent of the ciuil Christian Magistrate what an arrogancie were this in them and what an iniurie offered to the ciuil Christian Magistrate But as they can shewe no such Caeremoniall Constitution in force among vs made by our gracious souereigne against or without the consent of sufficient store of our Learned Bishops and Pastors so they can shewe none made by our Learned Bishops and Pastors whereby the Church of England must bee gouerned without the consent of our moste Christian soueraigne and cheefe Magistrate No God forbid that euer we should contend with so godly a Prince And would God our Brethren would not so farre presume herein hauing such a blessed Prince of her Maiestie as they and wee haue to contend thus to get vnto them selues the only or cheefe authoritie to call Synodes to decree caeremoniall constitutions to prescribe lawes to frame modilles and to lay plot-fourmes of Ecclesiasticall regiment and Christian Discipline to set foorth newe bookes of Common Prayer of the diuine seruice and administring Sacraments of ordeining Ministers of making new maners of marying of Excommunicating the offenders by new gouernors of burying the dead without all accustomed orders of altering parishes of deposing B. of making al Past. to be equall of bringing in new officers of disposing al the Clergies liuings yea of limitting the authority of the ciuil Christian magistrate and commending al these things vnto the subiects in the title of Learned Discourses and faithfull ministers and to do all this and many thinges mo besides those that yet wee see not so plainly opened both without and against the consent and authoritie of their moste dread and Christian Soueraigne yea verilie to her greate greefe and no small daunger both of her royall estate and person But as though all were cleare and safe our Brethren still go on against the ciuil Christian Magistrates authoritie saying Which authoritie we knowe to bee graunted to the Church by our Sauiour Christe practized by his Apostles continued by their successors three hundred yeres before there was any Chrisâ—ian Emperors
vniformely in all those diuerse places where such persons be But againe if they shall consider this better what certaine order can here be set downe that shal be meete for the diuersities of these persons when they still by the grace of God are growing vp and ware dayly and hourely of riper age and riper and alwayes going forwarde and comming on to Christe as to the goale and marke set before them What And shall then these Ouerseers and Elders make the orders most fitte to the Pastors doe nothing else but still come together and daily and hourely change their orders Or shall these persons weare their coate still of one assize Or if some come on forwarder than othersome so that they can not kéepe a iumpe and meete proportion to euerie one shall we haue no certaine orders at all for feare these Ouerseers and Elders should misse in some Sée what a childishe reason if I may be so bolde to returne the terme this is of our Brethren that tell vs of childish bables to take away all vniformitie of ceremoniall constitutions and all for the difference of some diuerse persons And yet wee denie not but that as there are diuersities of persons there may well bee diuerse and seuerall orders appointed for them howebeit to be kept vniformely by those diuerse degrées of persons for whome they are made For we doe not in such manner as our Bretheren vntruely reporte of vs feede olde men and sucking infantes all with one kinde of meate nor cloath all ages in a roabe of one assyze but such and such ceremonies are appointed to such and such degrées of persons and not all to all alike although some of those ceremonies be of that nature that they may as well stretch to all as some one kinde of meate may bee fedde on euen of olde men and of young also as well as of sucking infantes and of sucking infantes as well as of olde and young men May not all the people in a parish come to some one Church in some one place at some one time appoynted and there all of them knéeling on their knées at least so manie as bée able saye altogether some one appoynted forme of prayer or confession or thankesgiuing may they not all at least as manie as canne sing together some one certaine number of Psalmes or hymnes May not all infantes by some one publike forme prescribed thereof be Baptized alike And some one like publique forme be appointed for all the communicantes to receaue the Lordes supper after one manner May not one forme of marrying bee appointed to bee vsed through out all the whole Lande and Realme of Englande If there can bee no one ceremoniall lawe or constitution made of these thinges howe haue our Brethren abused vs that haue sette out a booke of common prayer wherein manie of these some one ordinaunces béeing all of them indéed but ceremoniall constitutions and decrees are sette downe and prescribed to be in generally and vniformally vsed of all the Churches in the Realme so farre as their authoritie stretcheth to prescribe them For if they prescribe them not why doe they set them out if they regarde not who vse them and who vse them not I sée not therefore but that euen by their owne example and much better hauing vtter warraunt some ceremoniall constitutions may bee well decreed for an ordinarie publique and generall order to bee vniformely kept of all Churches a like in a whole Realme so farre as other necessitie or some particular occasion doth restrayne them The same doctrine although not the same partes of doctrine is to be euerie where but ceremonies euen as they bee ceremonies doe admitte varietie as time persons and occasions serue to bee diuerse Yea Christian libertie in them sometimes is necessarie to bee testified because there are manie so simple that they knowe not the difference betweene those thinges that are necessarie in the Churche and those that are not of necessitie There bee that thinke a Crosse or Foont as they call it is as necessarie in Baptisme as water and that kneeling at the Communion is more necessarie than preaching of the Lordes deathe that a surplusse in Common prayer is more necessarie than a deuoute mynde and great occasions offered to the ignoraunt so to thinke when they see them that preache moste diligentlie praye moste feruentlie and minister the Sacramentes most reuerentlie according to Christes institution to bee displaced of all ministerie for a Crosse or a Foont or a Surplusse or some suche other tryfle There is great difference betweene Doctrine and Ceremonies but if our Bretherens former reasons shoulde holde to respect the diuersities of the people they might alter the vnitie of the doctryne too But the same partes of doctrine they saye are not to bee euerie where This is spoken somewhat too obscurely For the doctrine and all the partes thereof are indéede to be euerie where though I graunt not all to be taught euerie where to the same persons at the same time and so may the vse of the same ceremonies also vpon occasion be altered or left off But ceremonies they say euen as they be ceremonies doe admitte varietie This I graunt likewise and yet againe euen as they bee ceremonies they as well admitte vniformitie and in some cases especially may much better admitte vniformitie euen as they bee ceremonies than varietie and much néerer is it to the nature of any ordinaunce and decree bee it ceremoniall or otherwise to admitte vniformitie than varietie For else it could bee no certaine decree When as the varietie which it admitteth commeth vnto them in that respect as extraordinarie times persons and occasions serue to bee diuerse or as necessitie it selfe that hath no lawe enforceth the breaking of the ceremonies all which is but accidentall to them and no preiudice to the ordinarie and generall vse of the same ceremonies vniformitie Yea say they Christian libertie in them sometimes is necessarie to be testified because there are many so simple that they knowe not the difference betweene those thinges that are necessarie in the Church and those that are not necessarie This we graunt likewise that sometimes in ceremonies the christian libertie is necessary to be testified Yea rather at all times the christian libertie is to be testified And when wâ—â— vse ceremonies most vniformally then is the best vse withall of this restification of the christian libertie And therefore it yet followeth not that vpon such testification made we must neuer kéepe any one order or vniformitie of any ceremonie at all And yet besides we graunt this also euen for the testification of the Christian libertie by omitting sometimes or altering some ceremonie or some part thereof and euen for this cause also that our Brethren here alleage Yea although there were not many so simple that they knowe not the difference betweene those thinges that are necessarie in
ministers Of subscribers with limitation Of Dissembâ—eâ—s Of secret lamenters of their open subscribing The practise of Arius the Priscillianistes Preface Bridges Our bretherens aunswere to the 2. later ob vnder shewe of pâ—rspicuity is very intricate Our bretherens distinction of matter and manner Our Bretherens our agreemeÌ„t in the SubstaÌ„ce of Religion Our difference concerning gouernment Oâ—r bretherens vrging thâ— alteration of The state Our Brethrens preteÌ„ce of remooving Ignonoraunce Poperie Rebellion VVhether this alteration would not be occasioÌ„ of more ignortnce in the ministery The feare of more breeding Pop. by this alteration This alteration more inclinable to sedition Our bretherens aunswer for the manner VVho call the matter to the manner of a tumultuous reasoning we or they The ornaments of wit memory and vtterance The manner of reasoning that our brethreÌ„ set downe The moste part of these matters haue beene already decided by this maÌ„ner Whether our brethreÌ„ would staÌ„â—e to this manner What is heere assigned to her Ma. their honours The communicating thereof to the people These matters alreadiâ— determined ratified All that was graunted to her Ma. and their H. was but onelie for maÌ„ners sake and resolues to nothing The momeÌ„t of the gouernment pretended Our bretherens desires preiudicial to her Maiesties chiefest authoritie Preface Bridges Our bretherenâ— 3. obiection not satisfied of preiudice to the state eâ—tablished Our bretherens confident opinion of recouering fauour and exercise of their ministerie How our brethren became ministers Our bretherens offer to be tyed to haue speciall regard to the peace of the church and publike orders The epiloge of the preface exhorting to praier for these thinges The title of our bretherens booke Page 1. The vaunt of learning in the discourse The proofe by the word of God The learned discourse Page 1. 1. Tim. â— 15 The definition of the Church 2. Tim. 3.17 Bridges Three principles or propositions whereon all this learned discourse is grounded First that the Church is Gods house 1. Tim. 3.17 The Church the piller of â—he truth 2. that all things shold be directed by the housholders prescribed order Howe farre this rule holdeth Hebr. 8.5 Hebr. 9.11 Hebr. 3.1 The captious setting downe of the 2. principle The 3. principle That the scripture teacheth all the Churches gouernment The caption of this third principle The forme of common prayer by our bretheren prescribed Agreable to Gods worde though not prescribed The learned discourse Page 2. What ministers are apointed in the church Bridges The issue of these three principles Our bretherens foundâ—â—ion and the fouÌ„dation that â— Cor. 13.11 It sufficeth not to build on Christ but also to take heede howe we bâ—ild on him Diligence and reuerence in searching the scriptures Vrging of things read in the scripture as necessarie to saluatâ—oÌ„ that are not necessarie Our bretherens to hard a censure of tâ—e greatest paâ—te of Christes church Our bretheren heerin are of Harrisons opinion against â—artwright The learned discourse Page 2. Ephâ—s 4.11 1. Cor. 12.28 Bridges Thâ— gifâ—â— offices meÌ„tâ—oneâ— Ephes. 4.11 Pastor and teacher The Apostles neither words nor scope set downe a perpetuall forme of externall gouernement in thâ— church 1. Cor. 12.28 Gouernors Neither in this place the example sets downe any perpetuall order of the churches externall gouernment The examples scoâ—e The learned discourse Page 2. and 3. Bridges The confusednesâ—e of our bretherens wordâ— The distribution of offices in regions cities and townes for orders sake and for verie necessitie Paule and Barnabasses ordeâ—ning elders Titus limited to the region of Creta Titus office and authoritie in his limited region The giftes c. what office the elders had that Titus ordeined The proofe in Titus of Episcopall and Archiepiscopall iurisdictioÌ„ The learned discourse Page 3. Bridges The diuerse giftes mentioned in these places The leaâ—ned discourse Page 3.4 5 6 Matt. 28.19 Mark 16.25 Acts. 1.25 Acts. 1â— â—â— Acts. 13.2 Acts. 8.5 Act. 8.14 Act. 21.8 â— Tim. â— 5 Bridges What gifts and offices were temporall what perpetuall Moe ordinarie gifts then our brethren mention The giftâ— of rulinâ— The learned discourse Page 7. 8 VVhat offices remainâ— in the church Bridges Our Bretherens Terrarchie of 4. Persons their dissent from those our other Bretheren which make à Pentarchy of 5. or a Tritarchie of 3. A greater Mysterye in contending for this Cater-gouernment of these 4. cornered Persons then the contention was before against the 4. cornerd caps The necessitie that they make of this Tetrarchie Mens following the deuises of their owne braine No warrant of this Tetrarchie in Gods word Tetrarchy The exercise of the primitiue church The bringing in of all kinde of fals doctrin The beginning of the mysterie of iniquitie The pure Church When Gods ordinance was changed Archb. B. â—boue all these Teâ—rarkes Archb. The office of Archb. B. the readiest way to represse Antichrists pride and tyranny The breach of the Arch. and B. offices authorities was the readiest way to Antichristes pride and tyrannie The Archb. office a better stop against antichrist then thâ—se Tetrarkes The euil officers not the office of Archb. B. brought in false doctrine The state of the refor Churches The Tetrarchy commended The restoring Eccl. gouernmeÌ„t in the reformed Churches The bewtiful state of our neighbours refoâ—med Churches The state of the ref Churches Our bretheâ—ens defacing of our estate The state of the Primitiue churches governement not restored Resoning the office of gouernours Arch. Bi. not to bee displaced by restoring the state of the Primit church VVho deface the bewty of the reformed Churches The state of our neighbors No reformed Churches but in some points of gouer diffâ—r one froÌ„ another Differences eueÌ„ in their booke of common prayer Our neighbours experience no necessary paterne to vs. The demur of this question Emulation of our neighbours state Our owne â—stâ—te Our vnthaÌ„kfulnesse for our estate The harde-state of our neighbours Churches The defacing of our state Oâ—r bretherens disordered speeâ—hes of our disordered state Tâ—e vpbraiding of our labors Our coÌ„forte of our labours The cause of our labours hinderance The Christian prince repelled What would indeede make the state disordered Our bretherens conclusion cleane excludeth the Prince and geueth the directioÌ„ of al Eccl. matters to their 4. Tetrarckâ— The Christian prince excluded The learned discourse Page 8. Bridges The obiection why the treatise of the Christian princes supremacy is not first coÌ„sidered Our bretheren foresaâ—â— the obiect in their Preface The Christian prince repelled The tardie comming of this obiection The CaptioÌ„ of these wordes Eccles goverâ—ement The Princes supr gouernmeÌ„t The Papists selaunder of her Ma. The princes supreame gouernmeÌ„t ouer al Ecc. persons in al Ecclesi matters VVhat belongeth to the Eccl. persons and what to the Prince Good reasoÌ„ that al Protestants should think that the Princes supremacie should bee first treated on Christian princes haue a supreame authority in
owne assertions Ye say héere The Ministery is deuided into two functions that is Pastors and Doctors or Teachers And when yee made this requeste in the Page precedent ye said This order we thought good to obserue in describing the Ministery of the Church as by which both the distinction and communication of al offices and seruices in the Church might most plainely appeare Did yee meane these 2. onelie whome heere onelie ye call Ministers Or did ye meane all your 4. Offices for the which ye request this immunity If ye did how are now these 2. only ministers as indéede yee say heere the truer of the twaine and better than your Counterpoyson that saith Christe hath expreslye in his woorde sette downe sufficient ordinary Ministers of Exhorters Teachers Elders Deacons c. But nowe as you héerein do counter your Counterpoyson deuiding the Ministery into two functions Pastors and Doctors which I would not haue forgotten nor contraried any more héereafter being a difference not of methode but of matter So I pray yee withall remember this that the forme of the Scottish election deuides not the Ministers into two distincte offices or officers but makes them both all one And this also is an other difference of matter or substance not of methode Besides that the order of the Churche of England vsed at Geneua maketh first the election and office of Ministers whom they make to be al one with Pastors and after them the election and office of Elders then of Deacons And when al these 3. are at large set down thē they say We are not ignorant that the Scriptures make mention of a fourth kind of Ministers left to the Church of Christe which also are very profitable where time and place doth permit But for lack of opportunity in this our dispersion and exile we can-not wel haue the vse thereof And would to God it were not neglected where better occasion serueth These Ministers are called Teachers or Doctors Whose office is to instructe and teach the faithfull in sounde doctrine Prouiding with all diligence that the purity of the Gospell be not corrupted either through ignorance or euil opinions Notwithstanding considering the present state of things we comprehend vnder this title such meanes as God hath in his church that it should not be left desolate nor yet his doctrine decay for default of Ministers thereof Therefore to tearme it by a worde more vsuall in these our dayes we may cal it the order of Schooles Wherin the highest degree and most annexed to the Ministery and gouernment of the Church is the exposition of Gods worde which is contayned in the olde and newe Testaments But because men can-not so well profite in that knowledge except they be first instructed in the tongues and humaine Sciences for now God worketh not commonly by miracles it is necessary that seede be sowne for the time to come to the entent that the Church bee not left baren and waste to our posterity And that Scholes also be erected and Colledges maintayned with iust and sufficient stipendes wherein youth may bee trayned in the knowledge and feare of God that in their ripe age they may proue worthy members of our Lord Iesus Christ whether it be to rule in ciuil policie or to serue in the spiritual Ministery or else to liue in godly reuerence subiectiō By this order of the English Congregation in Geneua many thinges are different not in methode but in matter and substance from the plat forme of Ecclesiasticall gouernment that these our Learned discoursers now set downe Firste héere is but three offices as of necessitie vrged Ministers Elders and Deacons Secondlye the Ministers that haue the first place are the Pastors and not Doctors according to the forme of the new communion booke to the Counterpoyson but contrary to these Discoursers and to the Frutefull Sermon vpon 1. Cor. 12. Thirdly they giue these Doctors the fourthe place and call them a fourth kinde of ministery But they vrge them not but say it is very profitable where time and place doeth permitte Fourthly they referre these Doctors to the Schooles and Colleges and call them the order of schooles Fiftlie they tie them not only to teaching of Diuinity and to the function of the spirituall Ministery but also to bee professors of morall ciuil and politike professions Howbeit they make the chiefest and highest degree in these orders of Schooles and most annexed to the Ministerye and gouernement of the Church to be the expositors of Gods worde which we cal Doctors or professors of Diuinity And belike these our Learned discoursers miss-understanding these words make them the chiefeste and highest office in the Churches gouernement All these differences are in substaunce and matter not in methode onely But our Learned Discoursers héere do not onely in these materiall things differ from the English congregation in Geneua and from the Scottish but from thēselues also For if the office of teaching be the chiefe and principall office that is in the Church how then is this true that followeth héere The Ministery is deuided into 2. functions they that exercise the first are called Pastors the other are called Doctors or Teachers Should they not rather haue said they that exercise the firste are called Doctors or Teachers and the other Pastors Except wee shall haue another quirk◠founde out betweene these words office and function or betwéene these wordes first chiefe and principall For if ye will say ye meane by the word first the first place not the dignitie ye neyther giue the Pastor the first place and ye call the Teachers office to whome yee giue the first place the chief and principal office that is in the Church But what Do ye meane the Doctor shal ouer-rule al the residue No God wot For when it comes to the gouernment in Ecclesiasticall matters except it bee for an Ergo in the Schooles I am afrayed Maister Doctor were as good come last as first or left cleane out or but permitted in time and place as the Geneua Scottish forme do say for any great gouernment that shal be allowed him But let him shift for his share of gouernment as he can he is in place alreadie and admitted first and now let vs heare what shal be his office The office of a Doctor is to teach as the very name doth declare but yet euery Teacher is not ment thereby for it appertaineth to Pastors also to teach yet this later is distinct from the former Sith the office of a Doctor is to teach as the very name doeth declare I maruell that not long ago the very name of Doctor was so hissed out both of the Schooles and of the Church by some of these our chiefest reformers that it coulde not bee named but in disdaine reproch And now the very name of Doctor is not onely admitted but thus aduanced that it is named the firste the chiefe
the Trinity the cōmunicating of his body and bloud and if there bee anye other thing that is commended in the Canonical Scriptures Those things excepted which burdened the seruitude of the old people according to the congruence of their hart and of the prophetical time and which are redde in the fiue bookes of Moyses But those things that are not written but that being deliuered we keepe which are indeede obserued throughout the whole worlde are giuen to be vnderstoode that they are to bee retayned as either of the Apostles themselues or of plenary or general Counsels whose authority is moste hole-some in the Church they are commended or decreed vpon As that the passion of the Lord and the resurrection and the ascension into heauen and the comming of the holy Ghost from heauen are celebrated And if any suche other thing shall occurre which is kept of the vniuersall Church whither soeuer it spreade abroad it self As for other things which are varied by Coastes of Countries and by regions as is that that other fast on the Satterday and other not other euery day communicate the body and bloude of the Lord other doo receaue but certaine daies somewhere no daye is left of in which there is not an offering made somewhere on the Satterday onele and the Lordes daie somewhere onely on the Lordes day And if any such other like thinge may bee noted this whole kynde of things hath free obseruations Neither any discipline in these thinges is better to a graue and prudent Christian then to do after that sort after which he shall see the Church doe unto the which he shall happen to come For that which is enioyned neyther againste the Faythe nor yet againste good manners is to bee holden indifferentlye and to be kept according to the company of them among whom men liue So that according to this fatherly aduice and sounde iudgement of S. Augustine conferred with these and other circumstances for the vniting of this name Bishop vnto one more peculierly then to other his fellowe brethren it being neither against the faith nor against good manners though there had beene no mention at all thereof or of that whiche might inferre it in the Scripture and though diuerse Countries had one custom of Gouernement and we another yet were not ours to be disobeyed but straungers comming to vs are to conforme themselues as occasion requireth to ours and muche more our selues not to despise the same But nowe it beeing suche an vniuersall order that it hath al-waies continued euen from the Apostles times and all ouer the Churche in euerye place without alteration nor any age or people haue beene knowen or can bee named in al Christendome where this pretended equality since the Apostles times hath beene maintayned but that there haue bene Bishoppes good or bad that haue beene superiors thoughe not in the office of their Order yet in the office of their Dignitye albeit wee could not shewe in the expresse scripture the time the place the manner of the institution beginning thereof yet maye we safely with S. Augustine conclude that it was not nor could be done without the Apostles Especiallye when wee can shew as we haue showed euen in the plain words of the Scripture the verye matter it selfe not among Priestes in the old Lawe among whom they had an highe Priest ouer them and all the Leuites Princes and Rulers of the Leuites as our Bretheren reason from the Prophesie of Esay that God would take of the Gentiles to be Priestes and Leuites to fulfill this Prophesie by proportions of our Pastors and Doctors but wee stande for the originall practise of it on the manifest examples in the newe Testament The Apostles and that not in respect they were Apostles for so they were sent abroad and not resiant in a place but as they were resiant so Pastors had some higher then the residue some that were Pillers and chiefe among them And like-wise had the other brethren 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 those that were guides and Rulers among them And Timothie the Pastor of the Churche at Ephesus as Caluine saith was the chiefe Ruler saith Beza of all the Pastors there Yea the verye plaine subscription of the Epistle it selfe calleth him plat and plaine The firste Bishop of Ephesus Sithe therefore both the gift of this superior dignity and the application of the name had such auncient originall in the Apostles times when it began had such vrgent occasions where it sprang had such godly purposes where-to it tended had such plausible allowance and authority of all the worlds decreeing to confirme it among whome I hope at least were some good men And lastly sithe it hath had such vniuersall and continuall practise of it among whom also such a multitude of holy learned fathers haue taken them this peculier title and superiority shall we now yéeld to Beza his procéeding on this example Phil. 1. That this was the chiefe occasion of all the mischiefe following Here-upon saith Beza began the Diuel to lay the first foundation of his tirannie in Gods church as though all the administration of the Churche were together with the name trāslated vnto one All this and that which followeth in Beza hereupon be it spokē with al dutiful reuerēce to so worthy a man vnworthy affection with in these matters to be so caried away is vnnecessary collected on the sequele here-of howbeit directly indéed no sequel at all True it is that of any neuer so good a thing the Diuell indirectly may pick occasion to worke mischiefe But that can-not be properly avowed that it commeth from thence For as S. Iames saith doth a fountaine send out at one place sweete water and bitter and directly as Christ saith a good tree bringeth forth good fruits If therfore so good an actiō done for so good purposes haue not had so good a sequell it is not to be imputed to the matter but to other ill occasions afterwarde When the good housholder had sowed wheate the enuious man on occasion of the seruaunts sleeping sowed Darnel When God had sent Christe into the worlde to be the corner stone of the building by the occasion of mans malice he was called and was indéede to many the stone of offence and stumbling But what of that shall wée take offence also or conclude that Christe is not the God of peace and loue because warre and discorde followes while Sathan stirres occasions to make sects and diuisions where the Gospell is preached and receaued if that were proued to be the very necessary and proper occasion and those euils following to be the direct natural sequeles it were a good argumit ab effectis otherwise on euery accident you may condemne all thinges But all this runnes on this supposal that the whole administration of the Church together with the name is heereby translated vnto one If this sequele did consequently followe then indéed
confession was neuer as it was hoped for set foorth in their name for whose cause it was written notwithstanding how this was done and vpon what causes it was done all men do not clearely vnderstande while many men marueile at the dooing but are ignoraunt of the true causes of the matter Heereupon howe diuerse suspitions might haue hapned vnto many howe diuerse iudgementes might haue beene made both of me and of the confession it selfe I will not say of priuate persons but also of the very Churches to conclude howe diuerse and sinister reportes might haue beene scattered among the common people what one is he among men that doth not knowe It behooueth me therefore before I shall die to stoppe the sinister naughtie supitions iudgements reports concerning my doctrine Which thing I iudged could of me be done by no better meane than if I should prouide that both my confession euen as it was of me written should be set foorth seuerally by it selfe and also seuerally by thēselues my obseruations theron by the which if any things were dark they might be made plaine if any things were doubtful they might bee confirmed and that I should leaue the iudgement of the whole busines vnto the whole true Catholike Church Moreouer I thought that to remoue false suspitions out of mens mindes if any were conceaued I should doe no little good if what iudgementes were made of learned men concerning the cōfession I should euē by their owne letters make them knowen to all the godly especially sithe that also out of the same euery man might easily vnderstande for what causes the confession was not set foorth in that manner that it was purposed A certaine greate man wrote vnto me of that matter in these words Concerning that which you write of your cōfession it was read ouer of me and of N. and of others with great pleasure Which both was written most learnedly with a most excellent Methode And if so be you except that which in the end you adde concerning Archb. the Hierarchy it liked me exceedingly well But when we did deliberate with our brethren N.N. the which are heere concerning the way and manner of entring into a concord among al the Churches of our confession they with one consent did iudge that this was both the only the safest the reddiest way that the cōfessiōs of faith already receiued set forth by the Churches of euerie Prouince should be composed compacted into one harmony because they are all of them one most like another so farre as appertaineth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to the substance of faith and that their confession was refused of none of the Churches This their counsell when they proued it by many reasons we haue written therof vnto you and to the Reuerende brethren N.N. and to other Churches neighbors to vs who all of them greatly like the selfe same counsell These thinges out of the letters of that great man To the same opinion almost we might produce out of other mens letters also writing of the same matter But sithe it is not necessarie for breuitie sake wee omitte them Zanchius nowe being thus mooued by these considerations to iustifie all these his former Aphorismes in these pointes aforesaid setteth downe among other these obseruations following Vpon the 25. Chap. Aphorism 10. 11. When I wrote this confession of faith I wrote all thinges of a good conscience and as I beleeued so I spake also freely as the holy scripture teacheth vs to doe But my fayth first of all and simplie dothe rely on the woorde of God after which somewhat also on the common consent of the whole auncient Catholike Churche so bee that the same consent striue not with the holy scriptures For I beleeue that those thinges which were of the holy Fathers beeing gathered together in the name of the Lorde determined and receaued with a common consent of them all without any contradiction of the holy scriptures that those thinges albeit they bee not of the same authoritie with the holy Scriptures are also of the holy Ghost Hereupon it commeth to passe that those thinges that are of this sorte neither would I neyther dare I with a good conscience disallowe them But what is more certaine out of the stories out of the Counselles and out of the writinges of all the Fathers than those orders of Ministers of the which we haue spoken to haue beene ordeyned in the Church and receaued by the common consent of the Christian common weale But who am I that I should disalow that which the whole Church hath allowed No neither all the learned men of our time durst disallowe For why they knewe that both these thinges were lawefull vnto the Churche and that all those thinges proceeded and were ordeyned both of godlinesse and to good endes for the edification of the elected And for the cause of confirming this matter I thought good here to inserte suche thinges as Martine Bucer of godly memorie a man moste famous for singuler godlinesse and learning hath left written vpon the Epistle to the Ephesians As for the administration of the woorde when it is doone by the reading and reciting of the deuine scriptures finally by the interpretation and explication of the same and by exhortations taken frō thence and also by repetition and by the Catechisme which is perfourmed by mutuall questions and aunsweres of him that is the Catechiser and of the party that is catechised and by holy conferences and debatings of the harder Questions of our religion according to this manifold dispensation of wholesome doctrine the giftes or offices of this function are also multiplied For whatsoeuer belonged to the moste perfect māner of teaching that in the administration of the doctrine of saluation is to be applied with most great study because that sith thou art a man the knowledge of seeing God or liuing according vnto God which as of al other it is most diuine so also most difficult ought to be set forth they now that teach artes diligently contayned in some certain books as if a man woulde purpose out of Euclide to teach the Mathematicalles first of all they will reade and recite the booke proposed and streight waies they wil expound the particuler words that are not commonly knowe as euery Art hath his proper wordes and names and then if anye collection or argument be more breefely made they expound it by resoluing the partes thereof and make it cleare by many examples out of the generall preceptes they teache particulers and they do enforme them how farre foorth they stretch This it is properlye to teache But he that is indeede a sure or faithfull Doctor is not contente to teache these thinges although by a faythfull deliuerance of the Doctrine but also hee repeateth it and exacteth the thinges that he taughte and offereth him selfe readye to his schollers that they might demaunde a playn explication of
sacraments are the same that are the dispēsers of the word so that they execute both the parts of the ministery Otherwise it shold be cōuenient that according to the saying of the apostles act 6 they shoulde apply them-selues to praiers administring doctrine leauing the ministery of the tables Seeing that many mo may be had that can dispense the sacraments than those which can rightly cut sound doctrine in the church By which testimony of Musc by the very order prescribed euen in Geneua It plainly appeareth that not only in these reformed Churches many are admitted to minister the Sacr. that are not able to preach but that also this was the vse of the primitiue Church in the apostles times Which ouerthrows al that our breth haue hereon alleaged Neither helpeth it to say that yet stil this taketh not away but that there should be preaching vsed at the administratiō of the sacramēt thogh the minister of the sacramēt be no preacher For our breth said the administration of the sacramentes ought to be committed to none but vnto such as are preachers of the worde c. pag. 60. But for this that they say here also It is no better then sacriledge to seperate the ministratiō of preaching of the worde from the sacramentes so harde a spéeche following Musculus procéeding with the minister of this Sacrament though hée bée no preacher of the worde yet he requireth in him such a competency as hath a triple respect both to the person that he sustaineth and of the matter that he administreth and of the people to whome he communicateth After he hath shewed for the first part howe he shoulde be no lewd person but sober and vertuous comming to the secōd respect in him he saith Furthermore hee ministreth it competently if hee haue a consideration of those thinges which hee dispenseth and doe worthily frame himselfe vnto them Hee dispenseth the communicating of the bodye and bloude of Christe The breade which wee breake saith the Apostle Is it not the communicating of the body of the Lorde And the Cup of the blessing ouer which wee blesse is it not the communicating of the bloude of the Lorde 1. Cor. 10. Thus therefore shall hee competently administer this sacrament that it may be a communicating not that it shoulde be a holy priuate thing He dispenseth the remembrance of the Lorde or as Augustine in a certaine place speaketh the sacrament of memory This shall he do competently if he shall adioin vnto the mysticall communicating the shewing forth of the L. death according to the worde of the Apostle who sayth so often as ye eate this bread and drink of the Cup yee shewe foorth the Lordes death till he come For so did hee ordaine this custome in the Church of the Corinthians It is not fit that it should be a dumb communicating Either let some thing be read before the people or bee sung concerning the historye of the death of the Lorde as it is begun to be done in very many churches in our age Hee dispenseth the Euchariste he Euchariste is a giuing of thankes and a sacrifice of prayse Let him therefore haue a care that this holy communion may be closed vp with publike giuing of thanks He dispenseth the loue feast that is the banquet of brotherly loue It is meete therfore that a cleare exercise of Christian loue and mutuall communicating shoulde bee adhibited Vnto the which hee ought not onely with exhortations in the act it selfe to enstruct and accustome them but also with constitutions of a certaine order These are the principall thinges of which the dispenser of the Lordes table ought cheefely to haue a care and consideration whereby hee may apply him-selfe competently vnto this sacrament The third respect is of the people communicating which the more simple ruder they are so much the simplier must the minister speake of the mystery of the Lordes supper that he may apply him-selfe to their capacity But he must by all meanes take heede of those two vices that entrap the people to witte superstition and contempt Superstition least the people worship and adore that for the thing it selfe that is the signe thereof contempt least they sticke onely in the breade and Wine not discerning the body and bloude of the Lorde and therefore contemne it vnderstanding nothing beyond the iugdement of the eyes because by sight and taste they perceiue it to bee bread and Wine Such a point did Augustine giue warning of in his booke of Catechizing the rude in the ninth chapter where he saith thus Concerning the sacrament that they shall receiue it sufficeth for those that are more prudent to heare what that thing signifieth but with the duller sort it must with more wordes and similitudes be treated vpon least they contemne that which they see These thinges wrot he To conclude hee must take heede that hee swerue not either to the Corinthians or to the papists in this cause of the Lordes Supper And to the entent that the people not onely with the hande and mouth but with faith and heart may receiue that which is giuen let him declare all thinges that are to bee spoken in the vulgare and vsuall tongue not onely the exhortations but also the wordes of the Lordes institution the Prayers also and the thankesgiuing whereby the people may vnderstand all and in their heart assent thereto according to the Apostles admonition 1. Cor. 14. Thus wée sée how although the Minister be no preacher but beeing a discreete and vertuous man in all these foresaide respectes and obserue these exhortations which are both plentifully set out in Homilies and in the Communion Booke it selfe and the other thinges here noted in such order as the communicantes may vnderstande and beléeue the same although there bee no other sermon preached yet is the Sacrament truely and effectually administred Neyther can these thinges with the residue that he setteth downe bee vnderstood for the onelie action of a Preacher confessing and allowing that manie Ministers not Preachers may minister this Sacrament and yet in euery one that ministreth the same al these thinges are requisite For what is plainer than this argument out of Musculus sayinges Musculus thinketh and prooueth that it is not necessarie that euery one which administreth the Sacraments should be a Preacher and preach at the ministration of them But Musculus thinketh and prooueth it necessarie that all thinges ought to bee done by the minister at the Ministration of them which here he reckoneth vp Therefore Musculus thinketh and prooueth that all these thinges might bee done of one that is no preacher and without a sermon then preached of these matters If our Brethren wil denie the maior for the minor I thinke they wil not I referre them to Musculus and his reason out of Actes 6. and to the reformed Churches that hee meaneth It sufficeth for vs to prooue both by him and by
title be this Of them that are baptised in priuate houses in time of necessity yet afterward saith the book also they shall warn them that without great cause and necessity they baptise not children at home in their house And when great need shal compell theÌ„ so to doe that they minister it on this fashion c. But go to let vs say as they would onely haue vs say that if it be permitted of vs to be administred in any priuate place it is only but in case of necessity what say they hereto As though say they there were such necessity of the outward signe when it cannot be ministred according to the Institution of Christe What do our breth here mean that there is no necessity at al of baptism although there be no such necessity is there no necessity of consequence of condition nor of conueniency aswel as absolute simple and ineuitable necessity If generally there were no necessity at all of baptizing then it were frée whether we woulde be baptized or no But it is not free Christe did institute baptisme vnder flat commandement therefore there is a necessity and an important necessity of it Did not baptism succéed circumcisioÌ„ as Paul clearly setteth out Col. â— 11 12. In whom also ye are circâ—mcised saith he c. And was there no necessity at al of circumcision we grant this necssity was not so absolute that it reached to them before their time assigned no nor yet after was it so absolute necessity that it reached to them while they trauelled in the wildernesse God dispeÌ„sing for other manifold necessities in that long iourney with the necessity of that Sacrament And yet Gods commaundement remaining intire and they with such a necessity seuerly bounde that they shoulde not contemne on their partes the obedience and execution of it And therefore sayeth Zanchius in this very well in his confession of Christian Religion concerning Baptisme Capite decimo quinto Aphor. 5. Wee beleue that baptisme is altogether necessary in the Church as a sacrament instituted of Christ which the Church can so little want that where it is not when it may be had there we may not acknowledge the Church of Christ. Howbeit we thinke it neede-full vnto saluation in this wise that notwithstanding if any for the defaulte of the Minister but not through contempt depart this life not sprincled with the water we beleeue not that he is therfore damned and wrapped in eternall destruction For the children of the faithfull are therefore saued because they are in the couenant but they that be of ripe yeeres because they beleue in Christe with a true faithe which verilye cannot suffer the contempt of Christs commandement Gellius Snecanus whome we haue before often and at large cited that we might sée how our brethren aunswere them-selues in his method of baptisme the sixt part sayth The sixt circcumstaunce remaineth when baptisme should be administred Here we must note although the time be free yet by Gods threate Gen. 17. where the neglect of circumcision is esteemed the violating of Gods couenant it consequently followeth that fit occasion being offered baptisme ought forth with to be administred Whereunto exhorteth vs the daunger that was imminent on Moses by the delay of Circumcision in his childe The same doe the examples of the godly teach those that were Act. 2. baptised of Peter Act. 8. of Philip. Act. 16. of Paule Here is to be reprehended the abuse of many and cheefely of great men in this our age deferring baptizme vnto some moneths I knowe not for what causes c. The examples of the ancients sheltereth neither these lingerers neither the Anabaptists as it shall be noted in his place Thus writeth Gell. on this necessity And eueÌ„ immediatly he procéedeth to the lawful manner of administring baptizm which because it commeth next to hand I will also heere set downe Let vs come at length saith he vnto the lawfull manner Here is required that baptisme should be administred intirely with all his partes according to the circuÌ„stances of the Institution of the administration In the administration therfore of baptism let the summe of the doctrin concerning the couenant imputation of faith coÌ„prehending as wel the children as the pareÌ„ts be repeated To these let ther be added an explication of the general commandement of baptizing all nations and of the finall causes of baptism instituted according to the summe and order of a method For the signes of their owne nature signify nothing but by the institution of God Therfore it is necessary that all things be referred to the will of God which is made manifest in the holy scriptures Afterward let the examples of circumcision and of the baptism of the Israelites c. come hereto Finally let al this doctrine be concluded with the inuocation of the name of God Thus writeth hee also of the full manner and forme that hee woulde haue obserued in the sacrament And is not the forme that is prescribed vnto vs in effect the same Hellopaeus agréeinge hereunto both for the necessity of this sacrament so farre forth as we do vrge the same and for the places circumstances and order that here wée stand vpon For the necessity in his 5. chapter concerning the efficacy of baptisme whether it wash away sinnes or conferre grace Among other thinges after his proofes pag. 120. he saith Neither must we thinke Baptism to be absolutely necessary to saluation Neuerthelesse me thinkes I heare the papistes some other who notwithstanding will not seeme to bee Papistes arise against me affirming that baptisme is so muche necessary that they teach except this sacrament bee adioyned they cannot attain vnto saluation no not by faith But we also verily do confesse that by the ordinance of God the sacrameÌ„t of baptism is a certain thing correquisite to saluation Neither can it be omitted without sacrilege Yea rather if it be omitted by contempt this shold be a deadly heinous offence except vpon earnest repentance following Howbeit to say it is so necessarie that if any be excluded by necessity whereby he cannot vse it that he should be in danger of his saluation we affirme it to be a manifest error Neither say we it is the depriuing of the sacrament but it is the contempt that is the deadly thing And again Cap 8. page 155. he bringeth in these wordes against the Papistes that our brethren iuiuriously obiect to vs. And after he hath alleaged his reasons against Women and lay persons administring baptisme whose doing we allowe not neither yet doth our booke allow it for any such persons to haue done it Though if it bee done be done in such order that they obserued both for the matter and the forme the element of Water and the wordes that Christ assigneth to be vsed with other godly prayers at the doing the Booke to anoyde all cauilles of Anabaptists only
end hereof Are these two preaching and ministration of the sacramentes seuerall offices For else how hang these wordes together For although the office of preaching be more excellent than of ministration of the sacraments as S. Paul speaketh comparatiuely if then they be different Ecclesiasticall offices and that so distinct that Saint Paule speaketh comparatiuely of these two offices and in that comparison separateth the one from the other then although they be of neuer so néere affinitie which soeuer be principall or which accessory if this with all be true that one office requireth one officer that to put 2. offices to one officer were confusion and euerie officer may fully dischâ—â—ge his owne office without the intermedling with any other office why may there not then bee a minister of the sacramentes distinct and seuerall from a preacher and minister the sacramentes to the faithfull people though he preach not being a seuerall distinct office from preaching as wel as a preacher distinct from a minister of the sacramentes and preach the worde to the faithfull people though he minister not the sacraments vnto them But I will not so straightly presse our Brethren These two offices may be well and better in one officer euen as may the doctor and the Pastor and yet they may be separated well inough in some So that hereby with the residue aforesaide I conclude that this conclusion of our Brethren is not a true but a most vntrue be it spoken with due reuerence and a most daungerous conclusion That where there is no preacher of the worde there ought to be no minister of the Sacramentes The argument of the 8. Booke THE 8. Booke consisteth of the Pastors dutie in publike prayers First whether all publike prayer ought onely to be such as is all conceaued and vttered by the minister and not to followe any ordinary prescribed forme with a view of the Iewes publike prayers before Christs comming The order of the Church in the Apostles times and in the primitiue age with the times next succeeding and of the orders of the reformed Churches Whether the people might not ioyne altogether their voyces in some of the publike prayers with the Pastors to auoyde confusion but onely to close with him in their consent by aunswering Amen with another like viewe of the order in the olde and newe Testament for the peoples voyces without confusion and of the primitiue and auncient Churches order therein Whether any seuerall prayers may now and then be vsed in publike congregations with a like perusall thereof in the olde and new Testament Of the abuses that our Brethren complaine vpon for long prescribed formes of publike prayers the ministers ill pronouncing the people 's not attending the vnsensible reading the ministers vnfitte place screenes Rood-lofts organe loftes chauntrey chappels high pewes opinion of well seruing God walking talking in the Church gathering money for the poore priuate prayer and reading neglect of preaching by reason of praying the establishment of both comparison of our publike prayers to the Popish seruice of the seruices giuing place to a sermon and whether publike prayer may be made without a sermon preached therat with another view of the vse throughout the scripture and in the primitiue Church Whether we contemne or thrust out preching for praying or no. Whether morning and euening prayer may be song in the churches Of the order in Cathedrall collegiate churches and mens delight to come and heare the seruice there being moued thereto by the Organes and musicke and their departing at the sermoÌ„ Our Brethrens comparison of our publik praiers to the Masse as a gentle beast that byteth not of the nature effects of our publ prayer Our Brethr. praier that all formes of prayer might be abolished to bring in preaching The peoples singing of Psal. al at once The Pastors duty in ioyning al waies these 3. preaching ministring the sacrameÌ„ts praying the auntient custome of his giuing the blessing at mariages FVrthermore it appertaineth to the dutie of the Pastor to make prayers as Act. 16.16 not only priuate as all men are bound to doe but also publ praiers in the name of the whole church Act. 6.4 1. Tim. 2.1 being the mouth thereof For wheras the spirit of God coÌ„mandeth all things to be done in decent comly order forbiddeth all confusion disorder as it were great confusion and vncomlines for euery maÌ„ to make his seuerall prayers in the publike assemblies so is it orderly for one to pronounce the prayer in the name of the rest the rest to pray with him in silence to answere Amen It is also decent that he which is the shepheard should go before the sheep in prayer the sheepe follow him in lifting vp of their harts in mutuall consent Moreouer for as much as preaching administration of the sacraments ought not to be vsed without publik prayers as it is the Pastors office to preach minister the sacraments so is it his dutie also to go before his flock in publ praiers But here we haue to obserue 2. things The first that as it pertaineth to the Pastor to coÌ„ceaue publ prayers so it is the duty of the whole Church in the name of the whole Church to ioyne in heart with the Pastor in the same prayers that they knowing and vnderstanding what he hath prayed may at the end giue their consent by aunswering Amen ALthough these quotatioÌ„s of our Breth Act. 16. v. 16. Act. 6 v. 4. 1. Tim. 2. v. 1. do not proue that this especially appertaineth to the duty of the Pastor to make the publike praiers in the name of the whole Church yet we gladly coÌ„fesse it And many other more proper places examples proue it our Pastors vse it So that herein we agrée saue for 3. great and material points here touched together For the only Pastors coÌ„ceiuing of all the prayers and so reiecting all prescribed formes For prohibiting the people to ioyne all their voices together in any prayers except onely in aunswering Amen And for their so vtter forbidding of all seueral prayers in publike assemblies All which points require a further declaration And first for these wordes of making prayers beeing vndrstoode as we commonly vse the phrase onely for praying or powring foorth our prayers vnto God as we allowe that sense so we graunt it is the Pastors dutie to make prayers not onely priuate as all men are bound to doe but also to make the publike prayers that in the name of the whole Church hee being in some respectes the mouth thereof But if by making prayers they vnderstande him to be such a maker of them that he may not pronounce any prayers which by any other are alreadie made to his hande and he by publike authority prescribed to make those publike prayers that is publikely to pronounce or say them in the name of
residue of the Scripture both of the old and new testament as in the chap before ver 16. Paul charged theÌ„ Let the word of Christe dwell in you plentâ—ously in al wisdome teaching and admonishing one another in Psalmes and himnes and spiritual songs singing wiih grace in your harts to the lord and likewise Eph. 5.19 Speaking vnto your selues in psalmes himmes spirituall songs singing making melody to the lord in your hearts sith therefore they vsed to speak to sing these prayers praises of God in their publike not only banquets as some expound it but also assemblies of their diuine seruice as appeareth plain by S. Paules teaching the Corinthians the vse of these psalms prayers 1. Cor. 14.26 What is to be done then brethren when ye come together according as euery one of you hath a Psalm or hath doctrine or hath a tong or hath reuelation or hath interpretation let al things be done vnto edifying It followeth heereupon that howsoeuer the Corinthians abused this order of their publike praiers and psalmes euery man to sing or say his owne psalme or prayer in straunge languages bréeding confusion and no edifying yet that in the godly vse thereof they vsed some prescribed forme as of the Scriptures which they red or interprepated so of the psalmes hymnes or prayers that they saide or sung besides the Lords prayer and were not the makers conceiuers of all the publike prayers that they vttered Plinius secundus hauing examined certaine of the reuolted Christians that were brought before him what the maner of the Christians was in their assemblies because they were accused of high crimes and such numbers murdred writeth to the emperor Traiane that their maner was this that on a day appointed they vsed to come together beefore the day light Carmenque Christo quasi deo dicere secum inuicem and to say among themselues a verse or a prescript prayer vnto Christ as vnto God and to bind themselues with a sacrament or othe not vnto any mischieuous deed but that they should neither commit theft nor robbery nor adultery that they should not break their faith that being called vpon they should not deny the pledge committed vnto them which things beeing done it was their maner to depart Wherebye it plainly appeareth that both their custome was not alwayes to haue a sermon at the receiuing of the sacrament which it shold séeme Pliny aimeth at yet that in their publike praiers they vsed some ordinarie prescribed form among them Tertullian in the end of his booke De velandis virginib hath these words How great chasticement shal those virgins deserue which among the Psalmes or in any mention of God continue vncouered do they not worthily yea that in the prayer lay gently a welt a hair or any thred vpon their brain imagin they are couered By which saying though in mocking of those women again it appeareth that not only the men but women and maideÌ„s all did say or sing psalms were present at some form order of publike prayers Which though he set not down the form yet the chéefe points he reckoneth vp in his apologie against the Gentiles ca. 39. wher defending the assemblies of the Christians against the slanders of the heathen he saith I wil now my self set foorth the businesses of the Christian factioÌ„ that as I haue refuted the ill thinges to wit the thinges that the heathen slaundred them withall I may shewe the good thinges Wee are a bodie of the conscience of religion and of the trueth of discipline and of the couenaunt of hope Wee come together into an assembly or congregation that praying vnto God we might by praiers make sute for deeds or good workes This violence is acceptable to God Wee pray also for the Emperours for their Ministers and powers for the state of the Worlde for the quiet of the affaires for the prolonging of their ende Wee are gathered together to the commemoration or rehearsing of the diuine scriptures If that the quality of the present â—imes doe enforce as either to giue forewarning or to reacknowledge them Verilie with holy voices or sayings wee feede our faith wee erect our hope wee fixe our trust Notwithstanding wee thicken or close fast with inculcations or often repeating the Discipline of our teachers There also are exhortations chastisements and the diuine censure she meaneth Excommunication And before cap. 30. The Christians looking thither to wit vp to God in heaueÌ„ with their hands cast abroad because they are vnhurtful with their head bare because we blush not to conclude without an admonisher because we pray from the heart we are all alwayes praying for al the Emperours that they may haue a long life a safe Empire a sound house strong armies a faithful senate a godly people a quiet worlde and what soeuer are the desires of man and of Caesar. c. Whereby we may well perceiue that they had both in behauiour and in matter some certaine vsuall formes of publique prayers Especially by that hee sayth they needed no admonitor of them Which seemeth to cut of this that all their prayers depended on the pastors conceiuing Which also we may well gather of that we heard before out of Iustine howe they brought him that was baptized vnto the Brethren where the assemblies were That we might pray say they as well for our selues as for those that are newely illumined whereby wee might bee founde through true Doctrine and good workes worthy obseruers and keepers of the commaundements that wee may obteine eternall saluation Such were the ordinary formes of publique prayers in the most ancient Churches Bullinger vpon 1 Tim. 2.1 Concerning the auncient form of publike prayer writeth on this wise And leaste in this matter I shoulde dissemble any thing the Ecclesiasticall assemblies before a 1000 yeares agoe were on this manner The people flocked together into the holy house to the entent to worship God But while they were entring into the Churche certaine psalmes in some Churches were sung of those that were already come in other they were onely recited vntil the whole assembly was fully come together And this beginning of the Diuine seruice they called the Introit of entring Nowe when the Church waâ— come together all of theÌ„ cried with one consent Kâ—riele-eison Lord haue mercy To the which was added of some the hymne which is called the Angelles whose beginning Glory bee to God on high This hymne perteyneth to gratulation or to deprecation This being ended some minister of the Church recited the Collect the same was a kinde of prayer wherein the desires of the whole Church and their necessities collected together were recited vnto God Then was there red before-hand of the more learned Deacons some place either of the propheticall bookes or of the apostolicall Epistles chosen out according to the consideration of the time of the place or of
vs all the way that we went and among all the people through whom we came and the Lord did cast out before vs al the people euen the Ammorites which dwelt in the land therfore wil wee also serue the lorde for he is our God c. Was this also a disordered and confused noise and yet the speeche of al the people For we reade not here of any speaker in their names nor any necessitie driueth so to imagine If it bee replied these were not publike praiers What of that were they not the publike speeches of the Congregation and coulde these publike speeches of all or manie without confusion be orderlie vttered which perhaps were not before premeditated and can not much better without any disorder or confusion some such publique praiers Psalmes or short responses as they are often acquainted withall or as their bookes leade them if they can reade or as their Pastor saith before them in bréefe sentences But for publike praiers too how often is it mentioned in the booke of the Iudges that the children of Israel when they were oppressed of their enimies They cried vnto the lorde Iud. 3. ver 9. 15. Iud. 4 verse 3. Iud. 6. verse 6. 7. Were these cries no praiers or were these prayers not as well publike as priuate Or did God refuse to heare them as a confused noyse or rather did he not like these cries as a sweete harmonie and sent them helpers But that their cries were not lamentations onely but confession of their sinnes and prayers it appeareth Iud. 10. verse 10. Then the children of Israell cried vnto the lorde saying we hauâ— sinned against thee euen because we haue forsaken our owne God and haue serued Baalim And when God layde before them howe often he had deliuered them bad them Goe try vnto the God which yee haue chosen let them saue you in the time of your tribulation ver 14. 15. The Children of Israel saide vnto the lord we haue sinned doe thou vnto vs whatsoeuer please thee onely we pray thee to deliuer vs this day Which publike praiers of them with the déedes following in putting away their Idols were such orderlie and effectuall prayers that God raised them vp another helper Likewise Iud. â—1 2 When they had almost destroyed the tribe of Beniamin for their wickednes The people came vnto the house of God abode there til euen before God lifting vp their voices wept with great lamentatioÌ„ said O Lord God of Israel why is this com to passe in Israel that this day one tribe of Israell should want Againe when Samuel had shewed the people their sinne in asking to haue a king 1. Sam 12. And the Lorde had sent thunder according to Samuels saying ver 19. Al the people said vnto Samuell pray for thy seruants vnto the L. tâ—y God that we die not for we haue sinned in asking vs a king besides all our other sinnes And how often doth Dauid in his Psalms stir vp all the people not only to sing but also to confesse their sins to cal vpoÌ„ to praise his name and to declare his workes in the Congregation and in these actions to ioine all their voices together and would he not exhort them if it were a disorder and confusion When Solomon made his praier in the temple which hee had new builded besought God to heare the praiers that should be made in the same among other things he saith 1. kin 8.37 c. When there shal be famine in the land when there shall be pâ—stilence when there shall be blasting mildâ—we Grashopper or Caterpiller when their enimies shall besiege them in the Cities of the lande or anie plague or anie sicknesse then what praier and supplication soeuer shall bee made of any man or of al thy people Israel when euery one shal know the plague of his owne heart and stretche foorth his handes in this house heare thou him in Heauen c. Wherein hee speaketh not onely of the priuate praier of any man but of the publike praier made by all the people Heare thou then in heauen their prayer and their supplication and iudge their cause If they sinne against thee for there is no man that sinneth not and thou be angry with them and deliuer them vnto the enimies so that they carry them away prisoners into the lâ—nde of the enimies eyther farre or neere yet if they turne agayne wich their heart in the lande to the which they bee carried away Captiues and returne and pray vnto thee in the lande of them that carried them away Captiues saying VVee haue sinned wee haue transgressed and haue done wickedlie c. Then heare thou their prayers and their supplication in Heauen thy dwelling place and iudge their cause and bee mercifull vnto the people that haue sinned against thee c. For they bee thy people and thine inheritaunce which thou broughtest out of Aegypt from the middest of the yron fornace Let thine eyes bee open vnto the prayer of thy seruaunt and vnto the Prayer of thy people Israel to hearken vnto them in all that they call for vnto thee c. So that hee speaketh not heere of anye one man praying in the name of the people but bothe of euerye one whosoeuer and iointlie of all the peoples prayers vnto God Which if they had not vsed so to praye or hee had thought GOD would haue accounted those publique praiers that all the people iointlie withall their voices made a disordered and confused noise hee woulde neuer haue made this solemne prayer for them What confusion and disorder of voices was this at the praier of Elias 1. Reg. 18. verse 39. All the people when they sawe the fire to fall from heauen and consume the burnt offering fell on their faces and sayde the Lorde is God the Lorde is God It may be thought that at the reedifying of the Temple in this number of voices there was then some confusion of them For when as in the first of Esdras the thirde chap. verse 1. it is sayde that the people assembles them-selues as one man vnto Ierusalem It followeth verse 10. c. And when the builders layde the foundation of the Temple of the Lorde they appointed the Preestes in their apparell with Trumpettes and the leuites the sonnes of Asaph with Cimballes to prayse the lorde after the ordinaâ—â—e of Dauid king of Israel Thus they sang when they gaue prayse and when they gaue 〈◊〉 vnto the lorde For hee is good for his mercie endureth euer towardes Israel Where withall we see the former point of the prescribed forme of Prayers And all the people showted with a great showte when they praysed the Lorde because the foundation of the house of the lorde was layde And many also of the Prieâ—â—es and leuites and the cheefe of the Fathers auncieÌ„t mâ—Ì„ which had seene the first house when the foundation of
this house was layde before their eyes wept with lowde voyce And many shoâ—ted lowde for ioy so that the people coulde not discerne the sounde of the shout for ioy from the noyse of the weeping of the people Fâ—r the people sâ—owted â—ith a lowde cry and the noyse was heard farre off Here indeede was some confusion of voices because some of them shouted and some wept and some of them praised to GOD and some sang his praises and some blewe the Trumpettes and yet GOD accepted this confusion as a moste sweete conceite and harmonye In the tenth Chapter after the Prayer of Esdras in the name of himselfe and of al thâ— people verse 1. VVhiles Esdras prayed thus and confessed him-selfe weeping anâ— falling downe before the House of GOD there assembled vnto him of Israell a very â—reat congregation of Men and VVomen and childâ—en for the people wept with a great lamentation Then Shecaniah the sonne of Iehiel one of the sonnes of Elam aunswered and said to Esdras we haue trespassed against God c. Here one speaketh in the name of all the people but in the next assemblie it followeth after VVhen Esdras had exhorted the people al the Congregation aunswered Uerse 12. and said with a lowde voyce So wil we do accordinge so thy VVordes vnto vs but thee People are manye and it is raynye weather and wee are not able to stande vvithoute neyther it is the vvoorke of one Daye or two for wee are many that haue greatly offended in this thing Let our rulers therefore c. And in the 8. Chapter of Nehemias he saith verse 1. And all the people assembled themselues together in the streete that was before the Water gate and they spake vnto Esdras the scribe that hee shoulde bring the booke of the lâ—we of Moses which the Lorde had commaunded to Israel And Esdras the prieste brought the lawe before the congregation â—â—th of men and Women and of all that coulde heare and vnderstande it in the first day of the seuenth month And hee red therein in the streete that was before the water-gate from the morning vntill the Midday before men and women and them that vnderstoode it and the cares of all the people hearkened vnto the booke of the lawe And Esdras the scribe stoode vpon a pulpit of wood which he had made for the preaching Here againe is the plaine reading of the Scripture so that the people may vnderstand it called Preaching And Esdras opened the booke before all the people for he was aboue al the people and when hee opened it al the people stood vp and Esdras praysed the Lord the great God And all the people aunswered Amen Amen with lifting vp their handes and they bowed themselues and worshipped the Lord with thâ—ir faces toward the ground And here is euen that our bre speake of where the minister praiseth God which is a part of praier and the people hearken and aunswere Amen But yet immediately it followeth that this reading was not done all by one but a great many Leuites are reckoned vp which caused the people to vnderstande the Lawe and they reade in the booke of the Lawe of God distinctly and gaue the sence and caused them to vnderstande the reading And also the notable prayer that followeth in the next Chapter was pronounced vppon staires not by one but by eight or nine of the Leuites pronouncing the same before the people Thus wee see at large in all these ages the manner of the Church of God in their coÌ„gregations and publike Praiers both for the Leuites parts and for the peoples howe they ioined their voices together not onely in saying Amen but in their petitions Confessions and thanks-giuinges And this was counted no disorder nor confusion but vsed of all Godlie men and alwaies acceptable vnto God And so as wee may further perceiue by the Apocrypha and other histories of their publike praiers thus practised and continued till Christes comming Neither was this doone so much in respect of the ceremoniall as of the morall Lawe of God among them But to confirme all this with the practise approoued of Christe in the Newe testament reade we not Luke 2. verse 13. Euen presently after the birth of our Sauiour Christ that when one â—ngel of the Lorde had declared vnto the Shepheardes the ioyful tydings of his birth And straight wayes sayth Luke There was with the Angell a multitude of heauenly souldiers praâ—sing GOD and saying Glorye bee to GOD on high and in earth peace and towardes men good will and was heere also confusion and disorder in the multitude of the voices of the Angels that saide these things And likewise when Iesus a little before his death came riding to Ierusalem Mat. 21. ver 9. c The people that went before and they also that followed cryed saying Hosana the sonne of Dauid blessed be hee that commeth in the name of the Lord. Hosanna thou which art in the highest And when he was come to Ierusalem al the Citie was mooued saying who is this and the people saide this is Iesus the Prophet of Nazareth in Galily True it is that there were some that thought this a disorder and confused noise For it followeth vers 15 c. But when the cheefe priests and scribes sawe the maruels that he did and the children crying in the Temple and saying Hosanna the sonne of Dauid they disdained and saide to him hearest thou what these say and Iesus saide vnto them yea did yee neuer reade by the mouth of babes and sucklinges thou haste made perfect thy praise Doth Christe heere forbid them to cry out these publike praiers as a confusion and disorder And what was the manner of the Apostles praiers concerning this point Act. 1.14 Luke saith They all continued with one accord in praier and supplication with the Women and Marie the mother of Iesus and with his brethren In-déede here is not mentioned that all their voices were ioined together but one accord which rather signifieth the consent of their hearts then the consent of their voices But very well doth Caluine note hereon saying So farre as respecteth the concorde of their mindes it is opposed to the dispearsing of them which the feare had brought Howbeit withall generallie we may gather hereupon how necessarie it is in praying Which Christ commaÌ„deth euery one to pray for the whole body and in common as though it were in the person of all Our father Giue vs. c. Mat. 6.9 Whence coÌ„meth this vnitie of the tongs but of one spirite Wherefore Paul Rom. 15.6 When hee would deliuer to the Iewes Gentiles a rule of praying well remoueth far off all dissembling That we might glorify God sayth hee with one mouth And verilie that God may of vs be called vpon a Father it behoueth vs to be brethren to consent brethen-like But to shew this more plaine Luke declareth Act. 4.23 24. How that
alwayes but because of the people that stande by I said it that they may beleeue that thou hast sent me Moreouer when he rode vnto the Temple with a great assemblie of people about him that certaine Grecians desired to see him anon after Iohn 12. ver 27. he prayed sayth Now is my soule troubled and what shall I say Father saue me from this houre but therefore came I vnto this houre Father glorifie thy name Yea the whole 17. Chapter following what is it else but that seuerall and most singuler prayer that Christe maketh vnto his father in the assemblie of his Disciples partely for himselfe though most especially for them and all his elected Last of all his seuerall prayer euen on the crosse not only praying for his enemies Father forgiue theÌ„ they knowe not what they doe Luke 23.34 but also when he cried with a loud voyce saying Eli Eli Lama sabachthani that is my God my God why had thou forsaken me Mat. 27.46 and Luke 23.46 when also he cryed with a loud voice and sayde Father into thy handes I commende my spirit And as Stephen did consummate his Martyrdom imitating his Master Christ with the like seuerall prayer so the Apostles frequented the Temple the synagogues and other places where the people were assembled to make these their seuerall publike prayers and to heare the law read taking often occasion thereby to preach the gospell vnto them And by S. Paules often protestations of making his prayers Rom. 1. ver 9. God is my witnesse whom I serue in spirite in the Gospell of his sonne that without ceasing I make mention of you alwayes in my prayers c. and to the Phil. cap. 1.3 I thanke my God hauing you in perfecte memorye alwayes in my prayers for all you praying with gladnesse and to the Colloss cap. 1. ver 3. We giue thankes to God euen the father of our L. Iesus Christ alwayes praying for you and to the Thess. 1. Epist. cap. 1. ver 2. We giue God thankes alwayes for you making mention â—f you in our prayers without ceasing c. Now S. Paul frequenting wheresoeuer he came the publike assemblies of the faithfull it argueth that eyther in all places he made some solemne mention of all these seuerall Churches which hath no likelihoode or else that in those publike assemblies of publike prayers he made some secrete and seuerall prayers in his mind or memorie for them Eusebius out of Clements sermons recordeth of Iames the brother of the Lorde that he gaue himselfe to such continuall prayer in the Temple that his knees with kneeling grew to be as harde as Camels knees Eccl. Hist. Lib. 2. cap. 23. which were it true it plainely argueth that for all the often and publike assemblies there made he ceased not as before we hearde of the holy widdowe Anna to continue often his seuerall prayers in the publike assemblies All which premisses well considered wee can not iustlie call it confusion and vncomelinesse if seuerall prayers bee nowe and then made of some though not of euerie man in the time and place of the publike assemblies If our Brethren hadde sayde that they may not bee made at or during the time of vttering the publique prayers by all those that may well heare them this saying had béene allowable And yet to make no short and earnest secrete and seuerall prayers petitions or wishes of the heart or thankes giuing to God at all while pawses fall out betwéene the making open confessions the powring foorth publike prayers the reading of the Psalmes the hearing of the Lessons the rendring of thankes and prayses the marking of the sermons and the celebrating of the sacramentes that betwéene these distincte actions the people may make no seuerall prayers nor any priuate motions of their heartes secretely to God all onely because of the publike assemblie then present were to binde the peoples conscience too too strictly without any prohibition of the Lorde yea rather hauing all these examples as a warrant in such cases to the contrarie where neither the publike prayers nor the publike hearing of the worde nor the publike assemblies nor any mans seuerall or publike edification is disturbed any wayes or hindred These thrée points being thus farre forth and not otherwise to be graunted vnto our Brethren let vs now procéede to the other matters that they finde fault withall Wherin say they there is great abuse in our Churches For as though it were not inough to keepe out preaching by long prescribed formes of prayers these prayers are so pronounced by the Minister that a great number and some not of the worst disposed people thinke it pertayneth not to them to giue eare or consent of minde vnto them Wee speake not heere of such insensible readers whose voyce eyther can not be heard or else can not be vnderstoode whereof there be great numbers nor of the vnfitte place prescribed for the Ministers standing at prayers in the east ende of the house when the simple people shall stand often times 40. or 50. yeardes off in the west ende or of the confusion of voyces whilest all speake at once besides screenes of Roode loftes Organ loftes Idoll cages otherwise called Chauntrie chappelles and high pewes betweene them Which although they doe manifestly hinder edification yet may they not be remoued in many places for defacing the beautie of the materiall houses whereas S. Paule so much esteemeth the building of Gods spirituall house that he commaundeth the glorious gifts of the holy Ghost to cease in the congregation when they doe not help to edification But we speake of this that a great multitude thinke they haue well serued God if they haue beene present at coÌ„mon prayers or any part of them as they were woont to thinke in Poperie although they be neuer so vainely occupied in the Church some in walking some in talking in gathering of money not onely for the poore but for other contributions c. And they that thinke they do best are occupied in their priuate prayers or in reading of bookes while their minister pronounceth publike prayers Our Brethren doe here sharpely chalenge the Churche of Englande for many great abuses by reason of our diuine seruice and publ prayers Howbeit thankes be to God first and in generall for all these great abuses here reckoned vp we may safely affirme that there is no not one of them which can iustly and directly be ascribed to the order in the communion booke for the forme of publik prayer prescribed but may wel inough be helped and redressed both the Eccl. state of gouernement and the appointed order of the diuine seruice remaining still in force anie thing here founde fault with to the contrarie notwithstanding They pretende first that we keepe out preaching by long prescribed formes of prayer For the auowing of prescribing formes of prayer
alreadie méetlie well to examine what the presbyters were which Cypian mencioneth and we haue still found them Ministers of the worde and Sacraments In none of his bookes of Epistles anie 12. Epistle toucheth this matter I graunt that in reconciling of Heretikes and those that were falne to Idolatrie he vsed to take the aduise of his priests of his Deacons of his Clergie and of all the people But this prooueth not that he neuer restored anie otherwise When he confesseth that not onelie a priest but a Deacon also may in necessitie restore the baptised peniteÌ„t to the churches peace But whomsoeuer Cyprian adioyned to him in anie solemne reconciliation he reserueth the power and authoritie of loosing to himselfe As for the first Councill of Antioch which was elder than those of Carthage before cited in the 23. chapter it is thus decréed It is not lawful for a Bishop to make vnto himself another successor although death approch vpon him But if anie such thing should be done the same constitution to be voyde But let the Ecclesiasticall lawe bee kept which is on this wise that a Bishop ought not to be made otherwise than with a Synode and Iudgement of Bishops who after the death of him that is departed haue power to promote him that shall be worthie What is here to abbridge the authoritie of a Bishop that he cannot excommunicate any offender without the consent and ioynt action with him of a Segniorie Where if Danaeus had but looked to the verâ—â— next chapter he should haue found another manner of matter where the Councill saith in the wordes following concerning the authoritie of him that is maâ—e Bishop Those things that perteine vnto the Church must be kept with all carefulnes and with a good conscience and faith that is in God who considereth and iudgeth all thinges Which are also to bee dispensed by the iudgement and power of the Bishop to whom the people is committed and the soules that are gethered together in the Church But to come néerer to the present purpose for excommunication The 4. chapter saith If anie Bishop being condemned of a Synode or a Priest or Deacon of his owne B. shall presume to meddle in anie thing concerning Priesthood or the holie Ministerie it shall not be lawfull for him anie more to haue hope of restitution neither anie place of satisfaction but al that communicate with him to be thrust out of the Church especiallie if they obstinatelie communicate with him after they haue knowen the sentence pronounced against him What can bee plainer spoken than this that the Bishop himselfe may excommunicate And in the 5. chapter If anie Priest or Deacon contemning his B. shal separate himselfe from the Church and priuatelie by himself gathering the people together shall dare to erect an Altare or Communion Table And albeit his B. exhorting him and once and twice reuoking him he shall remaine disobedient let this man by all meanes bee condemned nor let him hope at anie time to obteine helpe or to receaue his owne honour And if so bee hee shall persist to disturbe and sollicite the Church let him bee repressed by the outwarde powers as a seditious person And in the 6. chap. If anie man be excommunicated of his owne Bishop he ought not to be receaued of others before he be first reconciled to his Bishop c. And in the 12. chapter If anie Elder or Deacon of his owne Bishop or if anie Bishop of a Synode shall perhaps be condemned c Thus dooth this Councill also which Danaeus citeth prooue that vpon iust occassions a Bishop himselfe may excommunicate not onelie such among the people but also among the Pastorall Elders as bee notorious offenders Nowe when Danaeus hath thus farre procéeded on the parties that should exercise this power of the keyes giuen to the Church he coÌ„meth at length chap. 55. to this sentence of Christ Mat. 18. v. 17. Tel the Church Where traueling to comfort them that hold this word Church to be simplie meant for the People he pleadeth that it is meant for the Prelates of the Church And at length he coÌ„meth to this conclusion with this saying of Ambrose in librâ— dâ— dignitate Sacerdotali cap. 3. That which perteineth vnto all ought to bee done of all True it is howbeit according to the diuerse vocation of euery one in â—he Church of God By reason whereof the people are not equall to the ecclesiasticall Prelates So also Chrysostome lib. 3. de Sacerdot beyonde the middest of the booke Baptisme is giuen vnto the Church I aske therefore to whom perteineth the administration thereof and to haue the power of baptising Dooth it pertaine to euerie one of the people No but to the Pastors alone And yet this gift is giuen to the whole Church as also iâ— the power of the keyes But euen as when Baptisme and the holie Supper of the Lord is administred in the Church the force of Baptisme of the Supper is expounded to the people who all of them seeing it the seale is added to the healthfull promises of God and so the people is confirmed in their faith and each one of the people is taught and aedified To conclude when these thinges are done the Church out of the holie Supper and out of Baptisme feeleth receaueth the fruite which it ought to receaue euen so when hypocrites and wicked ones are cast out of the Church or when that the poenitent are receaued the same is done the whole people and each one of them withall perceiuing it consenting to it the authoritie of Gods word is ratified the reformation of manners in the Church established and the puritie of doctrine is conserued Which when it is done the Church and euerie one of the Church receaueth the fruite that they ought to receaue out of that power of the keyes that is graunted to the Church By this reason therefore these things the Supper of the Lord and Baptisme and the power of the keyes are of God giuen to the whole Church the administration whereof notwithstanding apperteineth not vnto euerie one but vnto them onelie that are lawfullie called in the Churche to doo these thinges Thus haue we séene at large the iudgements and reasons pro contrà of all these excellent men for these Elders and for their authoritie in this ecclesiasticall Censure Let vs now returne vnto the learned Discourse of our Brethren Therefore in euerie Church there ought to bee a Consistorie of Elders or Gouernors which with the Pastor may take charge of ecclesiasticall discipline and good order to be obserued in the Church to the punishment of vice and the aduauncement of true vertue These if they gouerne wel as Saint Paule doth testifie are worthie of double honor both that honour that is due to godlie men and that which is due to good Gouernors The premisses that our Brethren haue
are the cheefest matters of their displacing which are in-deede farre more waightie matters than is the making a signe of the Crosse than is the baptizing in a Font or than is the wearing of a Surplesse If the ignoraunt thinke that they are displaced from all Ministerie onely for a Crosse or a Font or a Surplesse or some such other caeremonie as they call trifles surely then are they verie ignoraunt and our Brethren delude the people in this ignoraunce that tell them they are displaced from all ministery but for these causes Although indeede were they displaced from all Ministery for none other causes then such as these admitting also that these were but trifles too as here they call them albeit some of them haue voluntarily displaced themselues from all Ministerie forsaking their calling without being by any others displaced but admit also they are displaced and that from all Ministerie which notwithstanding the moste part of them or the most learned of them are not and whether they are so that compiled this Learned Discourse God and themselues do knows yet am I sure that they neede not nor if their selues were not in greater fault of more contempt obstinacie against these thinges than the waight of these thinges by their owne account amounteth vnto they neither neede nor shoulde be displaced of all Ministerie for them For if these thinges be as they say but trifles when as the yeelding to them might keepe themselues from beeing displaced ought they for trifles to be the occasion of their owne displacing from such weightie matters as is all the Ministerie So that euen that which they pretende to the ignoraunt yea to the learned and all in this their Learned Discourse to breede more odiousnesse to the displacers of them as that they are displaced for trifles doth shewe that this excuse is but a trifle or rather an vntrueth when as the matter the more trifling it is bewrayeth the greater obstinacie in him that will rather suffer him to be displaced of all the Ministerie and therby all the people to bee vtterly giuen ouer to the wide worlde for any benefite at all of the Ministery they shall haue by him or by any other of his procuring rather then he will relent to the Synode to the Church to the Realme to the Prince but in any one thing and that but such as hee his selfe confesseth to be but a trifle Howe doth not this the more that they extenuate the matter aggrauate the crime and make it as our Brethren sayde Pag. 93. that a lesse crime increased with contumacie and contempt of the Churches admonition may become worthie of the fame castigation But here our Brethren are so farre from the acknowlegement of this great fault that to mooue the reader more with the indignitie of their displacing they fall a praysing them selues that they preach most diligently pray moste feruently and minister the Sacraments moste reuerently according to Christes institution All which three pointes in whom they doe in-déede concurre we must néedes confesse deserue high praise And woulde God both they and we and all the Ministerie may doe our indeuours to the vttermoste of our gifts in these three duties But if our Br. preach neuer so diligently and yet cut not the worde of God a right and with discretion an ownce whereof is worth a pounde of Learning if they speake not the words of trueth and sobernesse as Saint Paule saith to Festus Actes 26. ver 25. But spende all or the moste of their preaching in contention about these vnnecessary controuersies in Discoursing of Regiment and matters of state in inuectiues against their Brethren against the Prelates yea against the Ciuill Christian Magistrate and all for the vrging of these platformes it were a greate deal more commendation in other mens opinion than it is in their own to be lesse diligent in preaching than some of them be Notwithstanding diligence in a good preacher in-déede is worthie both great commendation and as Saint Paule sayth double honor And whereas they recommend themselues also that they pray moste seruentlie I am glad to heare of it and God graunt they do so But why do they blabbe it thus to all the world with publishing it in print do they seeke the peoples prayse herein also must the feruencie and most feruencie of their prayer bee blasoned thus abroad with this trumpe of their owne Learned Discoursings thereon O that our Brethren woulde rather haue remembred what Christe sayde Math. 6. ver 5. of these that seeke prayses for their prayings Aâ—en dicâ— vobis mercedem habent Howbeit feruencie in all goodnesse deserueth prayse and in prayer is euen the marowe of it But suche feruencie as condemneth bee it neuer so sounde and godly all prescribed forme of publike prayer set foorth for the peoples vse and edifying by the authoritie of the true Church of Christe and of the Christian Magistrate is too fierie a feruencie in my iudgement And as for their thirde commendation that they Minister the Sacraments moste reuerently according to Christes institution What meaâ— they hereby can they prooue that our Communion Booke the prescribeâ— order whereof they refuse both in publike baptisme and in the Lordes Sapper for any materiall necessarie partes of the Sacraments are not ministred according to Christes Institution If they mislike them for any formall or accidentall part which is rather no part at all as not of the substaunce of them but accedents and ornaments of comelinesse and order doe they also minister the Sacraments according to Christes institution for place for time and for all the manner of them if the name of Christes Institution may be applied to these appendances as for baptizing them in riuers for ministring the Communion after Supper for sitting at a Table or rather on the grounde and such like if it be lawfull for them to leaue all these circumstances and yet they may bee sayde to minister the Sacramentes moste reuerently according to Christes Institution why shoulde they refuse to Minister them according to the order prescribed by our Booke except they can prooue that wee minister them not in anie godly manner but against Christes Institution wickedlie and vnreuerently which they shall neuer be able to prooue Yea we minister them with all due reuerence and in many pointes a greate deale more reuerently then they doe And therfore for these their vnreuerent demeanours and obstinacie therein against our good and reuerent orders by order and authoritie of the Church and Magistrate established they are worthily displaced though with greefe thereat no lesse to vs that they shoulde deserue it than vnto them that they shoulde féele it But heereby the ignorant and all other may wel perceiue that it is not as they would beare the worlde in hand they are displaced from all ministerie for a Crosse or a Font or a surplesse or some such other trifle
which before they had receaued â—s wée haue heard Caluines prescription Epist. 373. and so continued still in the office or ministery thus repurged And therefore since the masse was taken away and all â—he other corruptions of the Ministerie that were vsed in the popish priesthood an other Ministration appointed as is sette downe in our booke of publike prayer by the godly lawes of the realme and Church of England established which was done so soone as conueniently it could be done forthwith after her Maiesties moste happy entrance into this kingdome this is not truly sayd that the popish priesthood being the greatest blasphemie that euer was was alowed for a lawfull Ministerie vntill by the godly meaning of the sayd parliament Anno. 13. some brande-marke of shame was sette vppon it As though the sacrificing Priesthoode had continued with allowance therof for thirteene yere together of the Queenes Maiesties raigne which was as long a time as before they mencioned for the inforcing of the ministers to studie Yea by this rule it continueth still though disallowed or rather as they say but noted onely with a brand-marke of shame set vpon it So that this is not the taking of it awaye but the continuing of it with more shame to the parliament and to all the states of the Realmâ— that haue marked it with a brand-marke of shame and yet shame not to continue it though we disallow it And this withall is but a shamefull and vnreuerent terme that here they vse in calling eyther the statute or the booke of articles agreed vppon by all the clergie of the Churche of England and approued in the high courte of parliament by al the states of the realme and by the statute commaunded to be read a brand-marke of shame But our brethren to mittigate the matter say the parliament had a godly meaning in making that statute for Priestes that had bin made in the tyme of Popery to professe their consent to the true doctrine agreed vpon in the booke of articles by their publike reading of the same booke in their benefices Yea verily the parliament had therein a very godly meaning and it was also as godly an act â—s meaning of the parliament But saye they how pitifullye that authority was abused which by the same statute was committed to the Bishops in allowing of Priestes that came to doe their pennance by negligence of the Bishops and bribery of their officers the country cryeth out of it and the state of the Church is little amended by it There is no such crying out in the country as are these outcries of our brethren If it be but little amended yet little is somewhat But if it bee not greate that is not to be unputed to the good lawe but to the euill and indirect accidents For it was not pitifull that that authority was committed to the Bishops in allowing of Priestes that came not as our brethren here say to doe their pennance or to haue a brand-marke of shame set vpon them but the statute it selfe more reuerently and rightly setteth downe the cause and order of their act saying That the Churches of the Queenes Maiesties dominions maye bee serued with Pastors of sound religion be it enacted by the authority of this present Parliament that euerye person vnder the degree of a Byshop which doth or shall pretende to be a priest or Minister of gods holy worde and Sacramentes by reason of anye other fourme of institution consecration or ordeyning than the forme set foorth by Parliament in the tyme of the late King of most worthye memorye King Edwarde the sixte or now vsed in the raigne of our moste gratious Soueraigne Ladye before the feaste of the Natiuitie nexte following shall in the presence of the Bishop or gardian of the spiritualties of some one diocoese where he hath or shall haue ecclesiasticall liuing declare his assent and subscribe to all the articles of religion which onely concerne the confession of the true Christian Faith and the doctrine of the SacrameÌ„ts comprised in a booke imprinted intituled Articles wherupoÌ„ it was agreed by the Archbish. Bish. of both prouinces the whole Clergy in the Conuocation holden at London in the yeare of our lorâ— God 1562. According to the computation of the Church of england for the auoyding of the diuersities of opinions and for the establishing of consent touching true Religion put forth by the Queenes Authoritye And shall bring from suche B. or gardian of Spiritualties in wryting vnder his Seale authentike and testimoniall of such assent subscription openly on some Sonday in the time of publike seruice afore noone in euery church wher by reasoÌ„ of any Ecc liuing he ought to atteÌ„d reade both the said Testimoniall the said articles vpon paine that euery such persoÌ„ which shal not before the said feast do as is aboue appointed shall be ipso facto depriued al his Eccl. promotions shal be voyd as if he then were naturally dead These are the very words of the statute Wherein what could they better haue prouided than whatsoeuer they should ordeyne for the bringing of those persons to the more sure confession and consent of sound Religion firste to come before the Bishoppe or the Gardian of the â—pirituall iurisdiction in the Bishops vacancie in some one Diocoese where hee had any ecclesiasticall promotion or liuing and there before him declare his consent and also subscribe to all the articles of religion which onelye concerne the confession of the true Christian Faith c. Before whom should he haue done this if he should doe it authentically than before the Bishop or the bishops gardian being the publike officers that haue competent authority ouer him in those matters which withall confuteth our brethrens equall authority of all Pastors If the bishops were negligent or the officers take bribes this was the bishops the officers fault not any default in the lawes Wise men should not doe like WilliaÌ„ Summer strike one for another But if the bishops negligence and the bribery of the officers be so great that the countrye cryeth out of it and the state of the Church is little amended it is then so much the easier to be knowne who are the offenders that so pitifâ—lly abused this godly meaning of the statute that authority committed to them and not they to be thus disorderly cried out vpon and that in this vncharitable maner by inuectiue libelles vnder the tytle of learned discourses to be thus discoursed vpon with taunts slaunders defamed to all the worlde so much as lyes in them If the matter be little amended this is not to amend it more but to make it worse for this is naught worth but to norishe malice suspitioÌ„ sclaunder yet the fault not knowne much lesse ameÌ„ded Let the negligence briberies with true desire of reformation as the title of this learned discourse pretendeth
followeth how can our brethren excuse them selues that they be not in danger of this Act if they haue beneâ—ices or haue they not done and doe cleane contrary to this their learned discourse in agreeing to the statute that they might holde their liuings if they haue not lost them againe by setting out this their learned discourse and by their maintenance of these opinions and assertions that are so direct against the statutes marke the wordes of the act and as they call it the godly meaning of the parliament And that if any person ecclesiasticall or which shall haue ecclesiasticall liuing shall aduisedly mainteyne or affirme any doctrine directly coÌ„trary or repugnant to any of the sayd articles and being conuented before the Bishop of the diocoese or the ordinarie or before the Queenes highnesse commissioners in causes ecclesiasticall shall persist therein or not reuoke his errour or after such reuocatioÌ„ eftsoones affirme such vntrue doctrine such mainteyning or affirming and persisting or suche eftsoones affirming shal be iust cause to depriue such persons of his ecclesiasticall promotions And it shal be lawfull for the Bishop of the diocoese or the ordinary or the said commissioners to depriue such persoÌ„ so persisting or lawfully conuicted of such eftsoones affirming vpoÌ„ such sentence of depriuation pronounced he shal be indeed depriued Now if we shall withal consider how our brethren haue aduisedlie that is to say of deliberate and aduised purpose directly in this their learned discourse pag. 135 challenged the doctrine of the sayd booke of Articles saying As was practised in the conuocation of the foresaid parliament vnto diuers Godly and learned preachers that offred to speake against diuers grosse and palpable errours that had escaped the Bishops decrees as for the distinction of Canonicall and apocriphall bookes for explication of the clause in the article of predestination where it is sayde the elect may fall from grace and such like matters how truly this is spken of that conuocation and howe trulye also they haue in these wordes burdened both the Bishops and the articles of no lesse than grosse and palpable errours and that in principall pointes of doctrine I reserue that till I come to the proper place where it is to be answered But howe haue not our brethren aduisedly affirmed and if they will stand to it maintayned doctrine directlye contrarye and repugnant to some of the the Articles of the sayde booke For to affirme and maintaine that that which is good doctrine is a grosse and palpable errour what is that but to affirme and maintaine the doctrine that is directly contrary and repugnant thereto and what remayneth But that if the Bishops will not pitifully abuse that authority of the statute that was committed vnto them they or the ordinarye or the Queenes Maiesties highe commissioners in Ecclesiasticall causes ought to conuent these oure learned discoursing Bretheren before them if they had anye names that they might knowe them and if any of them shall persist and not reuoke his errour c that this shal be iust cause to depriue such person of his Ecclesiasticall promotions And besides these Articles aforesaid that they challenge for grosse palpable errours how do they not also impugne the 34.35 36. articles of the said booke Yea diuerse of theÌ„ haue beene also conueÌ„ted before the Bishop the Ordinary or the Commissioners aforesayd and haue persisted in the contrarye to those articles and these our learned discoursing bretheren haue gone further to put their contradictions foorth to the worlde in print The wordes of the 34. article which they inpugne are these Who soeuer throughe his priuate Iudgement willingly and purposelye doth openlye breake the traditions of the Church which bee not repugnaâ—t to the worde of God and be ordeyned and approued by common authoritye oughte to be rebuked openly that other maye feare to doe the lyke as hee that offendeth against the common order of the Church and hurteth the authoritye of the Magistrate and woundeth the consciences of the weake bretheren If our Brethren would agrée vnto this article there should not be such troubles as there are amongst vs. The 35. article is of Homilies The second booke of homilies the seuerall titles wherof we haue ioyned vnder this article doth conteyne a godly and wholesom doctrine necessary for these times as doth the former boke of homilies which were set forth in the time of K. Edward the 6. therfore we iudge them to be read in churches by the ministers diligently distinctly that they may be vnderstood of the people Our brethren say pa. 49. that a prescript forme of reading of praiers of homelies such like when they are alleaged to maintain the ignorance of vnskilful pastors as though that were the vse they are alleaged for are but the instrumeÌ„ts of folish Idoll shepherds which haue a certaine preteÌ„ce of Pastorall office but in effect are altogether vnmeete for the same The 36. article is for ConsecratioÌ„ of B. ministers The booke of consecration of Archbishops B. ordering of priestes deacons lately set foorth in the time of Edward the 6. confirmed at the same time by authority of parliament doth conteyn al things necessary to such consecration ordering neither hath it any thing that of it selfe is superstitious or vngodly therefore whosoeuer are consecrated or ordered according to the rites of that boke since the secoÌ„d yere of the aforenamed king Edward vnto this time or hereafter shal be consecrated or ordered according to the same rires we decree all such to bee rightly orderly and lawfully consecrated and ordered And is not now the greatest part of this our brethrens learned discourse for the consecrating ordering or ordeyning of Archbishops B. Priestes or Elders and deacons directly contrary and repugnant to the doctrine and decree of this article and what followeth hereupon but that eyther our brethren must renounce this their learned discourse or must denie the authority and godly meaning of this act Anno. 13 which here they haue approued or else if the B. and other offâ—cers shall not pitifully abuse that authority which by the same statute is committed to them they must by the godly meaning and wordes of this act pronounce them to bee iustly depriued yea theirselues haue pronounced sentence against themselues But this and all other inconueniences before rehearsed shoulde vtterly bee auoided if wee might once establish the lawfull election of Pastors according to the woorde of God It were also greatlye to bee wished that it might bee brought to passe that in euery congregation there shoulde bee two Pastors at the leaste both bicause the charge is greate and also for supplying the lacke of the one if the other were sicke or absent vppon necessitye or anye such lyke case Which thing were both agreeable to the example of the Apostolike church and also verye profitable for the congregation Wee doe not
sayth the Church doth reade for example of life and instruction of maners but yet doth it not applye them to establish any doctrine Such are these following The 3. booke of Esdras The 4. booke of Esdras The booke of Tobias The booke of Iudith The rest of the booke of Hester The booke of Wisdome Iesus the sonne of Syrach Baruch the Prophet The song of the 3. children The storie of Susanna Of Bell and the Dragon The prayer of Manasses The 1. booke of Machab. The 2. booke of Machab. All the bookes of the newe Testament as they are commonly receiued we doe receiue and account them for canonicall This is the whole article especially for the distinction of Canonicall and Apocryphall bookes And is there any grosse and palpable errour or any errour at all in this distinction that any godly and learned Preacher should haue offred to speake agaynst in the Conuocation Well if he could not be suffered to speake then let him do it yet doing it in seemely order Yea if it be a grosse and palpable errour that all we grossely maynteine in this distinction he is bound to shewe it orderly comiter monstrarier viam erranti if he will be a faithfull Minister And if wee cannot bee able to defend this distinction we will then by Gods grace yéeld it to be an error and forsake it But I meruell if it be so grosse and palpable that we cannot yet feele nor vnderstande it which were indeede a great grosnesse in vs all But because I confesse my selfe to be but grosse that cannot so quickly find out this palpable error neuerthelesse since that it is palpable or may be groped and yet out learned Bretheren will not vouchsafe to set it downe I will therefore grossely grope after it if perhaps I may finde it and giue others warning of it For by the grace of God wee shall not be so grosse as defend any error if we may finde it and perceiue that it is indeede an error that is to say a wrong and false opinion Is this grosse error in these wordes holie Scripture conteyneth all things necessarie to saluation so that whatsoeuer is not read therein nor may bee proued thereby is not to bee required of any man that it should be beleeued as an article of faith or be thought requisite or necessarie to saluation I trust they will acquit this parte of the article from all error Neither is it properly of the distinction of Canonicall and Apocryphall bookes which are to bee accounted of the one sorte or of the other but of eithers validitie or inualiditie in the articles of faith and matters requisite or necessarie to saluation What then Is this grosse and palpable error for the distinction of Canonicall and Apocryphall bookes in the wordes of the article following In the name of holy Scripture we doe vnderstand those Canonicall bookes of the olde and newe Testament of whose authoritie was neuer any doubt in the Church What grosse and palpable error or any error at all is in these words that wee doe vnderstand those bookes in the name of holy Scripture of whose authoritie there was neuer any doubt in the Church Is there any reason to the contrary why wee should not vnderstand these bookes for holy Scripture If they replye that is true indeede for those bookes but not for those bookes onely then are these wordes also of the article acquit by their owne mouthes As for the so vnderstanding of them onely to be accounted in the name of holy Scripture of whose authoritie was neuer any doubt in the Church this article hath no such worde as this word onely nor any such meaning Yea least their meaning or wordes might be misconstrued they goe also particularly to worke and booke by booke till which is to be vnderstoode for the holie or canonicall Scripture and which not in the olde Testament And in the newe Testament they haue reckoned all for Canonicall If they yet replye that diuers bookes of those which the articles name and vnderstand for the holie and canonicall Scripture haue bin doubted of I graunt it and the articles doe confesse as much in these playne wordes All the bookes of the newe Testament as they are commonly receiued we doe receiue and account them for canonicall Do they not here plainly enough inferre that there hath bene some doubt and not receiuing of some of them when they say as they are commonly receiued so doe wee receiue them though some doe not so receiue them And will our learned Bretheren bee so â—â—remptorie that if they had not so fully or cléerely expressed their meaning in the former wordes they will not giue them leaue to bee their owne expositors but bee so cutted and short with them that they may not tell out their owne tale but a worde and a blowe or euer they haue tolde halfe their tale to crye out by and by errour errour yea grosse errour and palpable errour Ha bretheren ye are a little to hastie to bée Parrish Priestes yée giue too short and too sharpe a iudgement in this matter Take the whole article together to conferre the later woordes with the former and if a worde escape incommodiously What my Maisters will yée take vauntage of euery sillable or if ye will néedes prie so narrowly goe to it then hardlye and spare not I mislike not your industrye therein spye a Gods blessing èuery mote in your bretherens eyes and note euery tittle in their writinges and weigh their woordes euen in the Goldesmithes balance Yet when yée haue all done ye confesse your selues it is but a scape whereas indéede weighe it well and trulye it is not so much But admitte it were a scape will ye make a mountayne of a mole hill that it is a grosse and palpable errour Verely whether we shall weigh the woordes with graue and indifferent iudgement as we ought to doe or but euen grossely or sleightly consider of them except our opinion be too grossely forestalled against them wée coulde neuer giue so grosse a iudgement of them as for a grosse and palpable errour to condemne them for in very déede there is no errour at all in them But it maye be such is my grosse pate that yet wee haue not light vpon this grosse and palpable errour indéede there are other woordes also especiallye these after the cataloge of the Canonicall bookes in the olde Testament And the other bookes as Hierome sayth the Church doth reade for example of the life and instruction of manners but yet it doth not apply them to establish any doctrine Is there any thing heere that our Bretheren can challenge of errour Is the sence of Hierome cyted amisse Or is Hieromes sentence it selfe Erroneous The words of Hierome in his praeface on the bookes of Salomon are these as therefore the Churche readeth indeede the bookes of Iudeth Tobie and the Machabies but receaueth them not among the canonicall