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A80160 Responsoria bipartita, sive vindiciæ suspensionis ecclesiasticæ ut et presbyterii evangelici. A double reply, containing a vindication of the antient practice of the Church (according to the rule of the word) suspending the ignorant and scandalous from the Lords Supper. As also of ecclesiastical presbyteries ... The first in answer to one M. Boatmans challenge of all the ministers on earth to make suspension of any but Turks, Jews, pagans and excommunicate persons from the Lords Supper, appear from Scriptures. In answer to whom the said censure is justified by several arguments from Scripture, and the universal practice of the Church, the magisterial vanity also of his sermon, Decem. 13. and March 28. in Peters Church in Norwich is discovered, ... In which answer also some objections of Erastus, Mr. Prin, and Mr. Humfry, are coilaterally considered, and answered. The second part in answer to Theophilus Brabourn, who hath talked something in a little pamphlet against the Lord Jesus Christ ... / By John Collings, B.D. and pastor of the church of Christ in Stephens parish in Norwich. Collinges, John, 1623-1690. 1655 (1655) Wing C5333; Thomason E832_2; ESTC R207514 201,020 319

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antiquity_n what_o be_v bucanus_n his_o judgement_n be_v evident_a enough_o from_o his_o institution_n in_o his_o 44._o common_a place_n he_o propound_v this_o as_o his_o ten_o question_n quot_fw-la sunt_fw-la part_n sive_fw-la gradus_fw-la ecclesiasticae_fw-la correctionis_fw-la how_o many_o degree_n be_v there_o of_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n he_o answers_z three_z 1._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d seu_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d admonition_n 2._o exclusio_fw-la seu_fw-la abstentio_fw-la etc._n etc._n etc._n bucan_n inflit_fw-la theol_fw-it loc_fw-la 44._o q._n 10_o etc._n etc._n suspension_n from_o the_o lord_n supper_n for_o a_o time_n 3._o excommunication_n of_o which_o see_v more_o there_o so_o that_o it_o be_v plain_a he_o also_o think_v there_o be_v such_o a_o thing_n as_o suspension_n distinct_a from_o excommunication_n viz._n absolute_a excommunication_n reverend_a and_o learned_a beza_n judgement_n be_v so_o know_v that_o i_o need_v quote_v nothing_o out_o of_o 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and_o great_a senate_n not_o without_o public_a notice_n first_o give_v to_o the_o people_n dissenter_n as_o to_o the_o receive_a doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n be_v first_o friendly_a and_o brotherly_o admonish_v if_o they_o will_v be_v quiet_a they_o be_v command_v to_o remain_v