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A61458 The church of Rome not sufficiently defended from her apostacy, heresie, and schisme as appears by an answer to certain quæries, printed in a book entituled Fiat Lux, and sent transcribed (as 'tis suppos'd) from thence by a Romanist to a priest of the Church of England. Whereunto are annexed the Romanist's reply to the Protestant's Answer, and the Protestant's rejoynder to that reply. By P.S. D.D. Samways, Peter, 1615-1693. 1663 (1663) Wing S545B; ESTC R222361 39,609 116

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Disciples of Christ St. Joh● and the rest of the holy Apostles all o● with departure from the impure frate●nity of prophane and ungodly me● that pervert the truth and bring in 〈…〉 the Church damnable heresies Is one and the same thing to depart fro● Moses and Aaron and to withdraw o● selves from Corah Dathan and the r● of their Complices Is it not the e●presse admonition of God to his people to come out of Babylon Rev 18.4 * St. Paul exhorts us all to such an apostacy that reclaims us from out iniquity Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart frō iniquity 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Did Jeremy depart from the wicked Israelites under the guilt of schisme if he had God would not have confirmed him in his separation saying Let them returne to thee but returne not thou to them It was not then the sin of the Orthodox to depart from the Arrians when if not the whole world as St. Hierome speaketh yet the whole face of the visible Church groaned under that burden and admired it selfe to have become Arrian 'T is true as Theodoret observeth the Arrians termed the Orthodox the authors fall division but how justly such as ●an judge may easily discerne When therefore the Replyer wonders that the Doctor did not see his contradiction in saying the Orthodox did depart the Doctor wonders that the Replyer should not see his own tergiversation trifling in finding a contradiction that none but himselfe can espy That the Drthodox should depart from the true Church were a contradiction indeed because the true Church consists of those that are such howbeit that the Orthodox should depart from the Synagogue of Satan is as far from being a contradiction as Rome present is different from Rome professing the purity of the Primitive faith and that is far enough to be sure 'T is evident the Replyer had little to say but was forced to cavill when he pretends that the Text produced out of Hosea 4.15 was impertinent For what could more directly prove our warrant for reforming our selves then to shew that it was Gods expresse command to Judah so to do when Israel did refuse it If Judah was forbidden to go to Bethaven that is Bethel the place of Jeroboams idolatry why should not England thinke her selfe engaged to depart from Rome infected with the same crime An evasion was but necessary when the Replyer saw the proceeding of our Church so fairly justified by this Scripture and therefore the text he pretends concerns not th● cause But if to say that a text alledged be impertinent is a sufficient Reply surely to say that such a Reply signifies nothing but the disability of the Replyer to make a better answer is a sufficient Rejoynder As to the other text out of Isa 1.21.22 the Replyer supposeth that also to be of little force because it proves he saith that the Church of Jerusalem fell into sin but what 's that to the Church of Romes falling into heresy And is not Heresie a sin Sir Replyer If Jerusalem might and did fall into sin you must shew her exemption from that sin or else why she might not fall as well into that as other sins I see no reason Did not Aaron so far comply with the idolatry of the Israelites as to make the Golden-calfe Let Moncaeus purge him as he can in his book called Aaron purgatus Moses I am sure chargeth him when he thus bespeaketh him What did this people unto thee that thou hast brought so great a sin upon them Exo 32.21 and he supposeth him to have offended when he saith that at that time he prayed for him Indeed as Moses affirmeth the Lord was very angry with Aaron to have destroyed him and he useth to be angry with no man to his destruction but for sin Deut 9.20 Wherefore the Jewish Church might sin and that not only against the Second Table of the Law by morall impurities but against the first also by profane impieties by worshiping of Images by erroneous miscarriages in the Duties of Gods worship which they heretically held to be lawfull as the present Church of Rome now doth or else they would never have done what was so clearly and frequently forbidden unto them And that Jerusalem thus fell in the time of the Prophet Isaiah the Replyer might have learned from the first words of his Prophecy for the word of the Lord came unto him in the time of Ahaz his reigne and Ahaz liking an Alpar at Damascus sent the patterne of it t● Urian the Priest who bu●lt it accordingly 2. Kings 16.10.11 Which was a direct violation of Gods institution Thus it is evident that the High priest himselfe erred in administring his Office And why the Church of Rome may not erre aswell as the Church of Jerusalem a better reason must bee assigned then this Replyer hath given before we believe her peculiar priviledge This Replyer hath the confidence to say that the instance of the Corinthians erring in the doctrine of the resurrection is to litle purpose because some not all did erre in that Church But he conceals the force of my argueing from the supposition of the establishment of that error by a prevailing party for in case that should have been done by the Bishop of that City and a prevalent faction in that Church it is evident that the Church of Corinth in respect of such a combination might have been said properly enough to have fallen by heresy But grant the worst of other Churches yet Rome is secured It was said saith the Replyer only to Peter and his successors and the Church whereof they were to be Pastors thou art Peter c. What was said to Peter we know but what was said to his pretended successors at Rome and the Church whereof they were to bee Pastors we know not St. Mathew teacheth us not Upon this rock I will build my Church concernes Rome no more then another particular Church especially if St. Peter did found it and build it up by his doctrine for though he suffered Martyrdome at Rome yet his teaching might have as much influence on other Churches as his blood had at Rome But super hanc Petram and any other advantage that the Replyer contends for out of the Syriack translation will stand him in little stead to prove the infallibility of the Church of Rome For should Christ call Peter a rock and in allusion to his name adde upon this rock I will build c. all this would no more conclude that the Pope could not erre did he succeed St. Peter by a better title then he can make good then it did secure St. Peter from diverting Christ from his passion whilst this confession that he made of Christ was warme from his mouth and afterwards from denying of Christ with perjury when he was under the temptation of fear to be apprehended as a malefactor should he have confessed him Which failings of the blessed