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A61458	The church of Rome not sufficiently defended from her apostacy, heresie, and schisme as appears by an answer to certain quæries, printed in a book entituled Fiat Lux, and sent transcribed (as 'tis suppos'd) from thence by a Romanist to a priest of the Church of England. Whereunto are annexed the Romanist's reply to the Protestant's Answer, and the Protestant's rejoynder to that reply. By P.S. D.D.	Samways, Peter, 1615-1693.	1663 (1663)	Wing S545B; ESTC R222361	39,609	116

Disciples of Christ St. Joh● and the rest of the holy Apostles all o● with departure from the impure frate●nity of prophane and ungodly me● that pervert the truth and bring in 〈…〉 the Church damnable heresies Is one and the same thing to depart fro● Moses and Aaron and to withdraw o● selves from Corah Dathan and the r● of their Complices Is it not the e●presse admonition of God to his people to come out of Babylon Rev 18.4 * St. Paul exhorts us all to such an apostacy that reclaims us from out iniquity Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart frō iniquity 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Did Jeremy depart from the wicked Israelites under the guilt of schisme if he had God would not have confirmed him in his separation saying Let them returne to thee but returne not thou to them It was not then the sin of the Orthodox to depart from the Arrians when if not the whole world as St. Hierome speaketh yet the whole face of the visible Church groaned under that burden and admired it selfe to have become Arrian 'T is true as Theodoret observeth the Arrians termed the Orthodox the authors fall division but how justly such as ●an judge may easily discerne When therefore the Replyer wonders that the Doctor did not see his contradiction in saying the Orthodox did depart the Doctor wonders that the Replyer should not see his own tergiversation trifling in finding a contradiction that none but himselfe can espy That the Drthodox should depart from the true Church were a contradiction indeed because the true Church consists of those that are such howbeit that the Orthodox should depart from the Synagogue of Satan is as far from being a contradiction as Rome present is different from Rome professing the purity of the Primitive faith and that is far enough to be sure 'T is evident the Replyer had little to say but was forced to cavill when he pretends that the Text produced out of Hosea 4.15 was impertinent For what could more directly prove our warrant for reforming our selves then to shew that it was Gods expresse command to Judah so to do when Israel did refuse it If Judah was forbidden to go to Bethaven that is Bethel the place of Jeroboams idolatry why should not England thinke her selfe engaged to depart from Rome infected with the same crime An evasion was but necessary when the Replyer saw the proceeding of our Church so fairly justified by this Scripture and therefore the text he pretends concerns not th● cause But if to say that a text alledged be impertinent is a sufficient Reply surely to say that such a Reply signifies nothing but the disability of the Replyer to make a better answer is a sufficient Rejoynder As to the other text out of Isa 1.21.22 the Replyer supposeth that also to be of little force because it proves he saith that the Church of Jerusalem fell into sin but what 's that to the Church of Romes falling into heresy And is not Heresie a sin Sir Replyer If Jerusalem might and did fall into sin you must shew her exemption from that sin or else why she might not fall as well into that as other sins I see no reason Did not Aaron so far comply with the idolatry of the Israelites as to make the Golden-calfe Let Moncaeus purge him as he can in his book called Aaron purgatus Moses I am sure chargeth him when he thus bespeaketh him What did this people unto thee that thou hast brought so great a sin upon them Exo 32.21 and he supposeth him to have offended when he saith that at that time he prayed for him Indeed as Moses affirmeth the Lord was very angry with Aaron to have destroyed him and he useth to be angry with no man to his destruction but for sin Deut 9.20 Wherefore the Jewish Church might sin and that not only against the Second Table of the Law by morall impurities but against the first also by profane impieties by worshiping of Images by erroneous miscarriages in the Duties of Gods worship which they heretically held to be lawfull as the present Church of Rome now doth or else they would never have done what was so clearly and frequently forbidden unto them And that Jerusalem thus fell in the time of the Prophet Isaiah the Replyer might have learned from the first words of his Prophecy for the word of the Lord came unto him in the time of Ahaz his reigne and Ahaz liking an Alpar at Damascus sent the patterne of it t● Urian the Priest who bu●lt it accordingly 2. Kings 16.10.11 Which was a direct violation of Gods institution Thus it is evident that the High priest himselfe erred in administring his Office And why the Church of Rome may not erre aswell as the Church of Jerusalem a better reason must bee assigned then this Replyer hath given before we believe her peculiar priviledge This Replyer hath the confidence to say that the instance of the Corinthians erring in the doctrine of the resurrection is to litle purpose because some not all did erre in that Church But he conceals the force of my argueing from the supposition of the establishment of that error by a prevailing party for in case that should have been done by the Bishop of that City and a prevalent faction in that Church it is evident that the Church of Corinth in respect of such a combination might have been said properly enough to have fallen by heresy But grant the worst of other Churches yet Rome is secured It was said saith the Replyer only to Peter and his successors and the Church whereof they were to be Pastors thou art Peter c. What was said to Peter we know but what was said to his pretended successors at Rome and the Church whereof they were to bee Pastors we know not St. Mathew teacheth us not Upon this rock I will build my Church concernes Rome no more then another particular Church especially if St. Peter did found it and build it up by his doctrine for though he suffered Martyrdome at Rome yet his teaching might have as much influence on other Churches as his blood had at Rome But super hanc Petram and any other advantage that the Replyer contends for out of the Syriack translation will stand him in little stead to prove the infallibility of the Church of Rome For should Christ call Peter a rock and in allusion to his name adde upon this rock I will build c. all this would no more conclude that the Pope could not erre did he succeed St. Peter by a better title then he can make good then it did secure St. Peter from diverting Christ from his passion whilst this confession that he made of Christ was warme from his mouth and afterwards from denying of Christ with perjury when he was under the temptation of fear to be apprehended as a malefactor should he have confessed him Which failings of the blessed

Imprimatur Geo Parish S. T. P. Reverend ' in Christo Patri Archiepisc ' Ebor ' a sac ' Domest ' April 14. 1663. THE Church of ROME Not sufficiently defended from her Apostacy Heresie and Schisme As appears By an Answer to certain Quaeries Printed in a Book entituled Fiat Lux and sent transcribed as 't is suppos'd from thence by a Romanist to a Priest of the Church of England Whereunto are annexed The Romanist's Reply to the Protestant's Answer and the Protestant's Rejoynder to that Reply By P.S. D.D. Yorke Printed by A. Broade and are to be sold by R. Lambert at the Minster-Gates 1663. To the Right Honourable and Right Reverend Father in God JOHN Ld. Bishop Count Palatine of Duresme Right Reverend and my much Honoured Lord WHen I waited on your Lordship the last Summer at the time of your publique-Ordination I communicated to your Lordship the Papers that now are printed in this small Booke Your Lordship was pleased to give me incouragement to publish them and withall to advise me to forbear any future reciprocation of this Saw which some count their delight to draw and retort I should not have presumed to communicate these endeavours of mine in a contest so long managed by our learned Prelates and other worthy Men of our English Church but that I perceive that our ordinary sort of people have not the opportunity to procure nor leisure to peruse Books of larger Volumne and Reverend Bishop Jewel's Apology that might instruct them in the severall Questions in debate between the true and pretended Catholiques that is betwixt the Protestants and the Romanists is rarely perused by the people of this Age though it may possibly be found in some Churches What the Person is that sent me the Quaeries extant I perceive in the booke called Fiat Lux and who made the Reply to my Answer I know not but I perceived that the people might easily be amazed by them and disposed to judge the Church of Rome not at all changed from her primitive integrity and thereupon the better inclined to desert our Communion In the Parish where I live I perceive the Papists and there are severall Families there of the Romish-perswasion generally believe that we have set up a new Religion that we have no Priests amongst us and consequently no Sacrament except perhaps what their women in some cases by allowance do administer Baptisme What effect such opinions do produce is visible enough in the spreading of this error in this place within a few years by-past That we should do our best endeavours to acquaint the people that Rome is not such as sometimes she was that England is not a Church bearing date since Henry the eight's Reigne that our Divines are Priests duely ordained that we have no defects in our Discipline destructive to the being of a sound Church and that salvation may be obtained better amongst us than in any Church in the world is the common duty of all intrusted with the charge of souls What I am able to contribute to so good a work I adventure to shew by this ensuing Discourse and how Zealous both myselfe and all others ought to be to have it done the danger of such as are misled from our Assemblies doth abundantly demonstrate That by Gods blessing this Skirmish may confirme some that stand establish some that stagger and raise up some that are fallen amongst us I hope the rather for that I have been encouraged thereunto by your Lordship who being so well skilled in the excellent structure of our settlement which were our Discipline advanced to the purity that our Church in the commination professeth is to be wished for would fall but little short of the Primitive-constitution hath alway been ready to maintain that the pretensions of Rome so far as she condemns and dissents from us in the substantiall parts of Religion are destitute of a solid foundation Your Lordships ability to defend and resolution to suffer for the Cause of our Church both at home and abroad are so well known that to speak anything of either of them is superfluous I crave your Lordships candid acceptance of this small work and withall I humbly returne my thanks for your Lordships patience in perusing these Papers and readiness to impart your Lordships direction and advice in severall particulars and with my prayers that your Lordship may enjoy that measure of health and length of life in your Diocesse that may enable you to settle it according to the pious and grave designe of your Articles of Visitation and compleat your Reparations of those Ruines that sacrilegious hands have made upon the Fabriques belonging to your Bishoprick in accomplishing which good Enterprize I have been an eye-witnesse that your Lordship forgetting your private concernes spareth neither for cost nor paines I rest My Lord Your Lorships humble and much obliged servant Peter Samwaies To my worthy friend Walter Lyster Esquire Sir THough you live among some of the Roman Religion yet you are better satisfied with the Constitution of that Church wherein you receiv'd your Baptisme than by the Quaeries that you gave me to be shaken from the truth of that Catholick Christianity which we professe since the Reformation in England When I returned to you the short Answer which you see now made publick it was received you know with as much scorne and disparagement as those of the new Religion for such I call the present Profession of Rome use to entertain the Reasons that either they understand not or know not how to answer But yet that somewhat might be retorted I know not what Champion amongst them let him answer it to his Superiours if he did it without their leave sent as you can witnesse a Reply closing it with an Appeal to an indifferent Judge I have joyned issue with him upon his own Termes and hope that whatsoever they may judge that are engaged never to approve any thing that shall convince them to be mistaken yet an indifferent Reader will acknowledge upon his perusall of our severall pleas that whatsoever Rome was in her primitive purity and splendor yet when we were forced to withdraw our selves from her Communion she had forfeited all just claim to her first excellency and cannot be excused from Apostacy Heresy and Schisme If any thing that hath been written upon the occasion of that Challenge which you brought me may contribute something to your further confirmation in the truth espoused already by you I shall not think my labour lost but if it shall conduce also to the better establishment of others I have reason as in the first place to glorify God for making me serviceable in the defence of his truth so in the next to give you thanks for engaging me in this Contest who being perhaps too much inclined to peace had not marched into this field had I not as you can witnesse first been challenged Wishing you all that felicity that none of the