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A03398	A suruay of the pretended holy discipline. Contayning the beginninges, successe, parts, proceedings, authority, and doctrine of it: with some of the manifold, and materiall repugnances, varieties and vncertaineties, in that behalfe	Bancroft, Richard, 1544-1610.	1593 (1593)	STC 1352; ESTC S100667	297,820	466

the gouernement that Christ appointed Christ appointed the Iewes Sanedrim to be in euery parish the Iewes Sanedrim was corrupted and therefore we are now sent from Geneua to Moses to vnderstand what he wil say vnto vs of this matter Was there euer any forme of gouernement that hath had so euill fortune A gouernement so long since ordayned not to continue for the time of the law onely but euen vnto the worldes end and neuer to be in such vse as it ought to haue been except it were for some eleuen or some 38. yeares and not that neyther vntill this our age that Geneua hath refined it Miranda canunt sed non credenda poëtae They tell vs wonders But because wee must be carried so farre let vs see indeede the institution of it I trust that point will be made most manifest vnto vs. Therefore I would desire to know where the Lord did institute this their ecclesiasticall Senate The effect of Bezaes aunswere if I haue iudgement to gather it is this Iehosophat appointed such a kinde of Senate in his time Mosis proculdubio praescriptum sequutus following proculdubio without doubt the prescript of Moses And where learned Iehosophat that prescript Had he it out of Moses written bookes or by tradition what must the beginning of this so singular a regiment proceed from a tradition But it may be saide that although it cannot bee shewed in Moses where or when it was instituted yet you shall finde in the tenth of Leutticus the iurisdiction of it plainly set forth which argueth manifestly that there was such a regiment before that time instituted by Moses It is well said Let vs then see the place The wordes are these And the Lord spake to Moses saying thou shalt not drinke wine nor strong drinke thou nor thy sonnes with thee when yee come into the tabernacle of the congregatiō c that ye may put difference betweene the holy and the vnholy and betweene the cleane and the vncleane and that ye may teach the children of Israell all the statutes which the Lord hath commaunded them by the hand of Moses Here saith maister Beza Synedrij ecclesiastici iurisdictio manifestissimis verbis a ciuili distinguitur the iurisdiction of the ecclesiastical Senate is most plainly distinguished from the ciuile And againe Dico his paucis verbis declarari quaecunque tunc erant verè 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 nempe inter sanctum prophanum inter mundum immundum discernere legem domini docere ac proinde iudicare de controuersijs ob eas causas exortis I doe affirme it that in these fewe wordes are set downe what causes soeuer were in those daies rightly accompted spirituall that is to say to discerne betweene the holy and vnholy the cleane and the vncleane and to teach the law of the Lord. Of this exposition in another place We are yet dealing with the pedigree of this gouernment Heereunto therefore this is obiected Let this interpretation go a while as currant yet heere is no mention of any other to exercise this iurisdiction but onely of Aaron and his two sonnes Where are then their gouerning Elders What is become of them How chaunceth it that they are not mentioned To this maister Beza writing of his ecclesiasticall regiment sayth Erant Leuitae in Synagogis penes quos adhibitis vt probabile est aliquibus illustribus ciuibus erat spiritualis administratio There were Leuites in euery Synagogue who hauing ioyned in commission with them certaine chiefe Citizens as it is probable had the administration of all spirituall causes And least you should thinke that maister Beza his probabile est were no good warrant to build so great a matter vppon you shall heare what accompt it carrieth in Geneua There came out from thence not long agone a booke translated since into English and printed in Scotland tearmed so interpreted Propositions and Principles of Diuinitie Amongest the which principles in my latine booke these are three vz It appeareth in Moses booke that as Moses with his 70. did exercise his ciuile iurisdiction so Aaron with his assistants priestes and Leuites had chiefe authoritie in the ecclesiasticall 2. And furthermore there were amongest the Iews certain men whom they called capita patrum the heads of the fathers c. quos verisimile est fuisse etiā Synedrij ecclesiastici partes c. who were parts it is likely of the ecclesiastical Councell 3. Constat ergo in ecclesia Iudaica fuisse huic ordini ecclesiastico cōstitutos rectores It is manifest therfore that in the churches of the Iewes these men were assigned and ioyned to the said Priestes and Leuites to be rulers and gouernors Verisimile est it is likely constat ergo therefore it is manifest As though a man should reason thus It is probable that these men that dare thus abuse the worlde haue made a shipwracke of their consciences therefore it is manifest that they haue done so Vnto how many kinges princes Countries and states hath maister Beza written for the aduauncement of this his pretended gouernement What petitions supplications demonstrations motions admonitions discourses complaints and I know not what haue been published amongest vs in England to the same effect And is all now come to this point probabile est Can Beza himselfe finde no other ground for his Elders Doth it depend but vpon likelihoodes and probabilities by your owne confessions whether almightie God did euer as yet institute any such gouernment or not But to passe by Beza with his probabile est and to come to maister Cartwright another manner of fellow He it seemeth doth account maister Beza to be but a simple man in respect of himselfe in that he deemed the Eldership to be of no longer continuance then since Moyses time This gouernement saith he by the Eldership was taken from the gouernement of the people of God before the Lawe And it beganne as soone as there is any mention made of anye fixed forme of a Church which standing of diuerse housholdes were deuided into particular assemblies Beza is then you see deceaued who said that Moyses did institute the Eldership It was long you heare before his time Did I not tell you we should be brought in effect to Noahs Arke But let vs consider of his proofe that maketh him so peremptory in this point You shall not finde him so loose I trust as to dash vs in the teeth with probabile est Ineuitable demonstrations or nothing from him Forsooth saith he it is thus written in Exodus 4. So Moises and Aaron went and gathered all the Elders of the children of Israell and Aaron tolde all the wordes which the Lord had spoken to Moyses c. And what then Indeede that would be heard for as yet this point runneth harshly But saith Cartwright that these were Ecclesiasticall officers thereby it may appeare for that vnder such a tiraunt and such

shall we thinke that they heard of it and conspired together to ouerthrow Christes institution It may be said that peraduenture they heard of it and reproued it but could not reforme it Very well But where be then their admonitions petitions supplications and libels against it Where be their suspensions excommunications and giuings ouer to Sathan Not a word of that abuse in Saint Iohns Gospell written after the supposed defection but especially could he haue pretermitted such a high point in the booke of his Reuelations Or had he so many Reuelations of other matters of lesse importance forsooth and was such an ouerthrowe of Christes kingdome kept from him The Disciplinarian shiftes in this case to make the best of them can be but slaunderous and desperate But to graunt to all of them the acceptation of the Apostles times after the largest accompt there is surely nothing lesse to be found in those times then the Geneua platforme For then as particular congregations professed the Gospell you should haue found a Priest or minister of the worde and Sacramentes placed in them In Citties where there were diuerse such congregations or wherevnto sondry congregations of the country did appertaine then you shoulde haue found some Timothy a Bishop to gouerne them After that diuerse Citties had receaued the Gospell or some whole Countrey it was not long but some Titus was placed as Archbishop ouer them The twelue Apostles were in those times as twelue Patriarchs for all the world who planted directed visited commaunded and appointed the foresaid Church gouernours and what else they thought meet for the benefit of the church If I were presently to leaue this life and should speak what I thought of the present forme of Ecclesiasticall gouernement at this time in the Church of England I would take it vppon my soule so farre as my iudgement serueth me that it is much more Apostolicall then any other forme of gouernment that I know in any other reformed Churche in the world As for these men that talke so much of the Apostles times they are indeede but brablers Their deuised regiment hath not any resemblaunce at all of that which was in the Apostles times They haue peruerted in deede the true meaning of certaine places both in the scriptures and in the auncient fathers for a shew to serue their turnes as after it shall appeare and other proofes from those times they haue not any But you will say this is denied It is so and of that else-where Howbeit in the meane while that cannot hinder my purpose to search out the pretended antiquity of it For it is confessed by them that the Apostles practised no other form of Ecclesiasticall gouernment in their times then Christ himselfe in his time did ordaine and assigne vnto them to be practised afterwards And what forme was that Forsooth they say it was the very same forme of Church regiment that was amongest the Iewes and that Christ when he said Dic Ecclesiae tell the Church did translate the same being called Sanedrim Councell or Senate into the Church to be the onely lawfull gouernment thereof vnto the end of the world So as here then we must fetch another friske about to search for the antiquity of the Iewish Senate Maister Caluin after hee had deuised the Geneua platforme and leapt ouer more then a thousand and fiue hundred yeares for the strengthning of it by those wordes of Christ tell the Church vppon occasion he further saith that as farre as his auncient records will serue him the foresaide Iewish Sanedrim was deuised by the Iewes after theyr returne out of captiuity which was vppon the pointe of fiue hundred yeares before Christ Scimus c. wee knowe that from the time that the Iewes returned out of the captiuitye of Babilon the censure of manners and of doctrine was committed to a chosen Counsell which they called Sanedrim in Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Hoc legitimum fuit Deoque probatum regimen c. This was a lawfull regiment and allowed of God And againe to cutte of all childishe cauilles how to shift this place as that Caluin saith not that it was then first instituted the sam e Caluin speaketh hereof more plainely where intreating of the seuenty Elders Numbers 2. that were chosen to assist Moyses he hath these wordes Certum quidem est c. it is very certaine that when the Iewes were returned from the captiuity of Babylon because it was not lawfull for them to create a king they did imitate this example in erecting of their Sanedrim Here is then the time as plainely set down again as needeth vz. after the Captiuity the cause why they ordained it vz. because they might haue no King and the patterne they did imitate vz. Moyses choosing of seuenty Elders to assist him in his gouernment But all this will not yet serue the turne For besides many other exceptions which are taken to Maister Caluins extraction of the Iewes Sanedrim out of Christs wordes tell the Church this is one that if they will needes inforce such a gouernment vppon the Church as was amongst the Iewes then they meane belike to wrest from the Prince the ciuile sword and to deale themselues in ciuile causes by their owne authority which they haue so much condemned in others though they meddle not otherwise with them then by the Princes appointment for that the Iewes-sayd gouernment or Sanedrim had to doe as well in ciuile causes as in any other that were Ecclesiastical Their aunswere to this exception is that in deede the gouernement they speake-of had to deale in Christs time with ciuile causes de facto but not de iure and that the Priests Iudaicis rebus confusis through their pride and ambition had crastily and corruptly procured such vnlawfull authority vnto themselues to the defacing and hinderaunce of the Lordes institution by Moyses at the first See how they carry vs from post to piller Maister Caluin is no body with Beza Now we must yet further backeward vz. from the restitution of the Iewes out of Babilon to Moyses his time almost a thousand and fiue hundred yeares Surely maister Caluin should haue been as well acquainted with Moyses doings as Beza is for that he hath written Commentaries vppon all his fiue Bookes which Beza hath not If Caluin in sifting the Text so painefully as he hath done cold finde no such matter in Moyses as Beza pretendeth it doth greatly preiudice in my opinion his lighter conceite But heare his wordes We must omnia reuocare ad institutionem Domini per Mosem loquentis vt quid iure factum sit intelligamus Call euery thing to the institution of the Lorde speaking by Moyses if we will haue a true vnderstanding of this gouernement and of the right authority thereof Very well Here then wee must haue a newe issue We must set vp as I said the Church-gouernement which the Apostles practised the Apostles practised

Geneua at the least that of all likelyhood as diuers housholdes by his owne rule do concurre together to make one conuenient parish So diuerse parishes in one citie suburbes and territorie thereof may be vnited and rightlye beare the name of the church Except wee shall thinke that Christ referring as they suppose his Apostles to the imitation of the Iewes church gouernment they were so negligent workemen as there being at that time 400. Synagogues in that one citie they had erected in all their times but one congregation christian church or parish answerable to one Synagoge it being lawfull for them by the square of that platforme to haue erected if they had could 400. But let this passe as a thing impertinent and to returne to the maimed pining Parishes at Geneua You will say did not Cartwright know the ecclesiasticall gouernment of that citie when he writ his bookes or shall we once conceaue that he thought to condemne that regiment which in other places hee doth so greatly extoll certainly for mine owne part although I do not greatly respect what he will saie that hee either knoweth or thinketh yet I suppose he will neuer for shame denie it but that he misliketh that forme of church regiment For first besides the premises being vrged with Caluins authoritie who thought the church of Geneua with all her sayde Parishes to make but one body of a church his answere to that point in effect is this Admit Caluin so thought I am of opinion that if Caluin had not soe thought hee would neuer haue erected vp such an Eldership And if Beza did not thinke so still I iudge hee would alter it Secondly also vppon another occasion he resembleth the order of certaine reformed churches which in this sence must be necessarily either of Scotland Flaunders or Geneua vnto the custome in S. Ieromes time when Bishops besides their one onely church had certaine other congregations belonging to their ouersight c. and in mislike thereof sayth for parte of his answere to this pointe being pressed by his aduersary against him I appeale to the institution of God and vse of the purer times after the Apostles But amongst other qualifications which he maketh least we should thinke that where such reformations are made as haue diuers parishes belonging to one Eldership there the old Diocesse and Bishops are in effect not abrogated but a little altered he sayth that one in such Eldership is aboue the rest but for a time as Caluin was chosen thereunto euery two yeares and not during his ministerie Which authority ouer many parishes but for a time although he will not plainly condemne it in the reformed churches which hee fauoreth yet speaking against the order of the church of England both he his companions doe make it a steppe whereby Sathan did aduaunce the kingdome of Antichrist Lastly as hitherto you haue found M. Cartwright with his friendes opposite in this matter vnto Geneua and Scotland differing also much from the churches in the Low countries so he seemeth to mee to crosse himselfe For in his second booke hee sayth that particular churches are nowe in steed of Synagogues and that their Synagogues were the same that our particular churches are And in his third booke he writeth thus For my part I confesse that there commeth not to my minde whereby I could precislie conclude out of the olde testament that there was an eldershippe amongst the Iewes in euery of their Synagogues If that can not then be shewed out of Moses who was so faythfull in setting downe all that was committed to his charge and that Christ commaunded no new thing but such as Moses instituted how hath hee vrged so mightely that we must haue his Elderships in euery Parish We shall see peraduenture that in shorte time M. Cartwright will giue ouer this holde and betake himselfe to the citie consistories framing new Diocesses to bee subiect vnto them as in other countries you haue heard they are Well I would wishe that before their Elderships were graunted vnto them they should agree together where they ought to place them But nowe to the seuerall partes of euery Eldership CHAP. 8. Of Bishops generally of the pretended equalitie of Pastors or new parish Bishops and how the chiefe impugners of Bishops beginne to relent IN the olde testament the high Priest besides that he was a figure of Christ had also vnder Moses Iosua the Iudges and Kinges for the better ordering and gouernment of the church authoritie and iurisdiction ecclesiasticall within that countrie of Canaan vnder whom for the same purpose were other Priests at least 24. that were called Principes Sacerdotum Princes of the Priestes all of them inferior to the high Priest but superior to the rest In the new testament our Sauiour Christ whilst hee liued on the earth had his Apostles and in degree vnder them his 70. Disciples After his ascentiō the same inequality of the ministery of the word continued in the Church by all mens confession as long at the least as the Apostles liued In the Apostles times Saint Marke was Bishop of Alexandria Saint Iames was Bishop of Ierusalem Timothy was Bishop of Ephesus and Titus was Bishop of Crete if the ancient fathers and Ecclesiastical histories be of any credite The Apostles hauing receaued the promise of the holy Ghost after a short time dispersed themselues by aduise into diuerse regions And there by painefull preaching and labouring in the Lords haruest they planted no doubt very many Churches As the number of Christians grew and had their particular assemblies and meetings in many Cities and countries within euery one of their circuites they placed pastors in euery congregation they ordained certaine Apostolicall men to bee chiefe assisters vnto them whom they placed some one in this particular countrey another in that and some others in sondry Cities to haue the rule and ouersight vnder them of the Churches there and to redresse and supply such wantes as were needefull And they themselues after a while and as they grewe in age and escaped the crueltie of tyrantes remained for the most part in some head Citty within their compasse to ouersee them all both Churches Pastors and Bishops or Superintendents and to giue their directions as occasions required and as they thought it conuenient When any either of these Apostolicall assistantes or of the Apostles themselues dyed there were euer some worthy men chosen and appointed to succeede them in those Cities and Countries where they had remained For wee may not idlely dreame that when they dyed the authoritie which was giuen vnto them ceased no more then we may that the authoritie of Aaron of his naturall sons expired and ended with them Besides it is manifest by all Ecclesiasticall hystories that many Churches were planted after theyr deathes And furthermore it coulde not be but that some Churches especially vnder those Apostles that were soonest put to