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A47186 The true Christ owned as he is, true God and perfect man containing an answer to a late pamphlet having this title The Quakers creed concerning the man Christ Jesus &c. writ by a nameless author : which pamphlet containeth many gross lies and wilful perversions beside some other great mistakes occasioned by the author his ignorance and blindness / by George Keith. Keith, George, 1639?-1716. 1679 (1679) Wing K219; ESTC R27494 49,735 113

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Cyrus had a Soul and Body and did exist in flesh and blood an Hundred Years before he was born for he is called by Isaiah Gods Anointed before his Birth Isaiah 45. 1. Ans. If this be not gross Socinianisme and Samosatenianisme I leave unto all understanding and sound Christians for to Judg For both the Socinians now and Samosatenians of old denyed that Christ was before Mary and so doth this Author contrary to the express Testimony of many Scriptures cited and opened in my Book called The Way cast up to which again I Refer the Reader and what a gross and unchristian yea Blasphemous comparison is this of the Author betwixt Cyrus and Christ as if Christ were no more Gods Anointed before his outward Birth in the Flesh than Cyrus was before his birth and so by this means all the Saints from the beginning of the World unto the outward birth of Christ containing near about four Thousand Years had no Christ nor no Saviour no Head no Mediator nor indeed nothing of the Heavenly and Spiritual Anointing or Unction and so had nothing of the Holy Ghost which is that Anointing for how could they have it without Christ who is Gods Anointed originally and first of all and from and by and through whom it cometh down and is conveyed unto the Saints even as the Oyl that was poured on Aarons Head ran down from the Beard unto the skirts of his Garment Now that David and all the Saints before Christ came in the flesh were in measure anointed with the holy Unction or Anointing even the same wherewith the Saints are now Anointed see Psal. 23. and Psal. 133. 1 2. And how did they receive this Oyl or Anointing but from Christ who is Gods Anointed first of all and by whom it descendeth unto them of whom Aaron the high Priest was the Figure or Type therefore Christ was Gods Anointed from the beginning not only before Cyrus but before all other men according unto Prov 8. 23. I was anointed from the beginning so the Hebrew word Nissakti doth signifie as I have already shewed in my Book or ever the Earth was Moreover when Paul said the Fathers of old drank of the Rock and that Rock was Christ was this only a Prophecy of Christ who but one so blind and grosly ignorant as the Author of this Pamphlet can so affirm Nor do thefe Scriptures Cited by thee Mat. 3. 16. Luk. 4. 1. concerning Christ his being anointed with the holy Ghost after his outward birth prove that he was not anointed before For in contradiction to thy self thou grantest he was Anointed before he was born as indeed he was both then and also from the beginning The Fifth Animad hath nothing in it of Argument against what I have affirmed only he perverteth some of my words as the Reader may fee by comparing his words and mine together and this he often ufeth not willing to suffer my words to stand as they are but seeking to Vail and darken them with his perverse minglings and additions Pamphlet Animad 6. They believe that the Man Christ did suffer was slain and Crucified when our first Parents sinned and doth suffer is slain and Crucified as often as man sins and Apostatise contrary to Heb. 9. 26. and 1 Pet. 18. that testifie that the man Christ Jesus was personally and really slain Crucified and offered for sin but once the other is but either in Decree Promise Type or Metaphor Ans. These Scriptures are only to be understood of Christ his Sufferings in the body of flesh so that he did but once die and suffer for sin in the outward body and in his outward person which doth not hinder but that he suffered and was slain inwardly and spiritually in mens hearts by sin both before and since he suffer'd in the body of flesh which was Crucified at Jerusalem for the writer to the Hebrews did tell of those that fell away that they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh Heb. 6. 6. And if thou saist this is but in the Metaphor I Answer admitting it in a sense so to be yet a real suffering is implyed under that Metaphor as also when the Spirit is said to be quenched somewhat real is understood under that Metaphor and so in the present Case although the slaying and Crucifying of Christ may be said to be a Metaphor or Figurative Speech yet some real suffering analogous in some true respect unto what he did suffer in the outward is thereby understood and that I did acknowledge a Metaphor in that expression is clear by my very words cited by thee where I say the measure of the life of the Lamb came to be slain as it were in them by transgrefsion here the words as it were signifie a Metaphor which yet hindereth not that the suffering of this innocent Life of Christ was real according unto its own kind and nature Pamphlet Animad 7. In Answer to Amos 3. 13. he saith As well might they say that God as God hath now and had then such Eyes Ears Feet Hands as we have for the Scripture speaks of him frequently after that manner Ans. I no where Read in all the Scripture that God hath such Eyes Ears Feet and Hands as we have fo that in this thou dost grosly pervert the Scripture it self For although the Scripture speaketh at times of Gods Eyes Ears Feet and Hands yet they are not said to be such as ours and though these words are metaphorical they have also somewhat that is real understood by them by way of Analogy his Eyes signifying his infinit Knowledg and his Hands his Power c. and although I do also acknowledg that the words Amos 3. 13. are Metaphorical yet a real suffering is implyed under them which is the suffering of the Spirit of Christ as he is the Heavenly man Lamb of God for in that respect only he doth or can suffer properly nor is it any contradiction or inconsistency as thou seemest to make it that the same Life or spirit of Christ may be alive in it self and yet Slain or Crucified as to the sinner no more than it is any contradiction or inconsistency that the soul is as it were dead unto the dead body in which it lived and yet remaineth alive in it self even when it is in the body as it was in the case of Eutichus whom Paul raised from the Dead Acts 20. 10. In his Animad 8. he bringeth no new matter but what my former Answer doth give a sufficient Reply unto for the words Rom. 6. 9. are to be understood of Christ his being raised from the Dead in that body wherein he suffered so that he died no more as in the Head no nor yet in many of the Members in whom that precious Life of Christ shall never any more be slain or quenched but it cannot be so said of all seeing some may fall away and Crucify him afresh unto themselves Pamphlet Animad 9.