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A12213 A reply to an ansvvere, made by a popish adversarie, to the two chapters in the first part of that booke, which is intituled a Friendly advertisement to the pretended Catholickes in Ireland Wherein, those two points; concerning his Majejesties [sic] supremacie, and the religion, established by the lawes and statutes of the kingdome, be further justified and defended against the vaine cavils and exceptions of that adversarie: by Christopher Sibthorp, Knight, one of His Majesties iustices of his Court of Chiefe Place within the same realme. Sibthorp, Christopher, Sir, d. 1632. 1625 (1625) STC 22524; ESTC S117400 88,953 134

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and sophistically but substantially soundly and satisfactorily if he could Thirdly I desired him to doe it as in love and Charitie so also with an affection onely to follow Gods truth and withall to set his name unto it as I had done to that Booke of mine But none of these requests hath this Answerer beene pleased to performe towards me For touching the first he is so farre from answering the whole Booke from the beginning of it to the end that he hath endevoured to answere onely two Chapters thereof namely the two Chapters contayned in the first part of it and no more And whereas secondly I desired a sound sufficient and satisfactory Answere to be made he hath answered even to those two Chapters which himselfe selected to make answere unto very sleightly slenderly and superficially and in no sorte substantially soundly and satisfactory as shall afterward appeare And touching my third request which consisteth of diverse branches let any man judge that hath seene and read his Answere whether it bee made as I desired in a good loving and Charitable manner which would best have beseemed him or in a scoffing and deriding fashion in sundrie places thereof which doth no way become him as also whether hee hath done it with this affection onely to follow Gods truth or with an affection rather to follow and advance mans errors and Constitutions against a manifest divine truth and lastly what reason he had not onely not to set his owne right and true name unto it but in steede thereof to set a false fictitious and counterfeit name calling himselfe Iohn at Stile What Is he ashamed of his owne right name Or doe any use to get credite by putting a wrong name to their worke But this is indeede Dignum patella operculum a false and counterfeite name being fittest most suteable to a false and counterfeite cause which is the thing he maintayneth Howbeit as one desirous to excuse himselfe herein he saith that my requiring of the Answerer to put his name unto the Answere is in effect asmuch as to debarre any man from answering unto it because of the Statute of 2. Elizabeth which doth saith he bind mens tongues and pennes within this Kingdome with the corde of a Praemunire from oppugning the Supremacie eyther by word or writing Whereunto I reply that he that in answering is required to put his name to his answere is so farre from being debarred from answering that cleane contrariewise hee is thereby permitted to answere if hee please so as he put his name thereunto Neyther doth that Statute of 2. Eliz. in this Kingdome inflict the penaltie of a Praemunire for the first offence See the Statute of 2. Eliz. c. 1. in Ireland as he surmiseth but onely losse of goods and Chattels It is indeede after once conviction for the second offence a Praemunire and for the third High Treason If then the penaltie of a Praemunire by that Statute be the thing he feared you see there was no cause for him to feare it hee being never before convicted or attaynted of that offence And is it not strange that he being a Lawyer as he saith he is and one of those as he likewise affirmeth that were debarred from pleading for not taking the Oath of Supremacie should neverthelesse be so ignorant in his owne profession concerning that Statute although himselfe also cite it as not to know what the penaltie is for the first offence therein May not then his owne words be here rightly returned to his owne bosome that seeing in his owne facultie he sheweth no greater skill Can it be imagined that going out of his owne element into the great Citie of Divinitie hee will doe any more then the fish on the shoare to gaspe a little for ayre But admit that for the first offence upon that Statute the penaltie had beene a Praemunire as hee conceived Will he therefore bee so faint-hearted in that his supposed Catholicke cause How doth this agree with that which he saith afterward that an Angell or a Man is bound by the instinct of Nature to love God better then themselves Yea he observeth that in the Naturall bodie of Man the hand will be content to loose it selfe for the preservation of the head and of the rest of the members And that in the Politicke Body of the Common-weale any good Subject will imbrace death for the conservation of his King and the Common-weale and thereupon he concludes that so also should any good Christian member of the Mysticall body of Christ willingly undergo all disasters in the world in attestation of his love to Christ and of his willingnesse to preserve the honour and common good of his Church And this motive saith he in that his Epistle Dedicatorie made him though a Lawyer to interpose himselfe for the defence of the Mysticall Body of Christ and to answere as he hath done in the behalfe thereof Now then doth it become him who seemeth here to be so magnanimous and couragious in his cause to shew himselfe neverthelesse so extreamely timorous as for feare of a Praemunire not to dare to set his right and true name unto that his Answere Yea the premises being well considered what reason hath he to taxe me as sometimes he doth for that being a Lawyer by profession I neverthelesse meddle in these matters of Divinitie and concerning Religion For I gave before as I thinke a sufficient Apologie for these my doings in the Preface of my former Booke which he answereth not nor is able to answere And here I now may and doe further adde that even this Man mine Adversarie hath by his owne example justified me inasmuch as he being likewise a Lawyer as himselfe affirmeth doth neverthelesse as you see by his answering those two Chapters in my Booke meddle in these matters of Divinitie and concerning Religion aswell as I. And not onely his personall example but the doctrine also and reason he delivereth namely that every good member of the Mysticall body of Christ ought to interpose himselfe for the defence of the honour of Christ of his Church serveth very strongly to justifie my doings herein not only as lawfull but as requisite and necessarie and such as in dutie ought not to bee omitted But moreover vvhy doth he Dedicate that his Answere being a worke of Divinitie to his dearest Countrie-men The Lawyers of Ireland if Lawyers had nothing to doe in these matters of Divinitie or if the knowledge of things of that kind did not belong unto them Yea who knoweth not that Lawyers and men of all professions and estates have soules to save and that at the houre of their death it is not their skill or knowledge in Law Physicke or any other their worldly callings professions which serve onely but for this life that can doe them that good or yeeld them that comfort touching the next world eternall happinesse that the knowledge of Divinitie and of Gods true