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A70152 An ansvver to a popish pamphlet called the touch-stone of the reformed gospell. made speciallie out of themselves. By William Guild, D.D. and preacher of Gods word. Guild, William, 1586-1657. 1656 (1656) Wing G2202; ESTC R221580 101,567 372

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testify_v speak_v only_a of_o public_a confession_n and_o not_o of_o private_a say_v in_o tertul._n de_fw-la poenit_fw-la let_v none-marvell_a that_o tertullian_n speak_v nothing_o the_o clancularia_fw-la illa_fw-la admissorum_fw-la confession_n that_o be_v of_o that_o secret_a confession_n of_o sin_n neither_o be_v there_o any_o such_o thing_n in_o origen_n or_o any_o allege_v work_n of_o ambrose_n that_o make_v for_o popish_a sacramental_a and_o auricular_a force_a confession_n nor_o any_o such_o work_n of_o he_o as_o in_o muliere_fw-la peccatrice_n in_o all_o the_o catalogue_n of_o his_o work_n set_v down_o by_o bellarmin_n de_fw-fr scrip_n eccles_n and_o though_o there_o be_v such_o a_o work_n and_o such_o word_n as_o confess_v free_o to_o the_o priest_n the_o hide_a secret_n of_o thy_o soul_n this_o be_v but_o only_o as_o one_o stand_v in_o need_n of_o comfort_n and_o counsel_n upon_o distress_n of_o conscience_n as_o have_v be_v say_v but_o i_o wonder_v most_o of_o his_o citation_n of_o chrisostom_n and_o augustin_n both_o of_o which_o be_v against_o any_o such_o force_a confession_n chrisost_n conc_fw-fr 4._o de_fw-fr lazaro_n say_v do_v i_o say_v confess_v to_o thy_o fellow_n servant_n who_o may_v upbraid_v thou_o no._n confess_v unto_o god_n who_o can_v cure_v thou_o &_o augustin_n lib._n 10._o confess_v c._n 3._o say_v thus_o what_o have_v i_o to_o do_v with_o man_n that_o they_o shall_v hear_v my_o confession_n as_o if_o they_o can_v heal_v all_o my_o disease_n 16._o that_o pardon_n &_o indulgence_n be_v not_o in_o the_o apostle_n time_n which_o he_o say_v be_v contrary_n to_o 2._o cor._n 2._o 10._o where_o the_o apostle_n say_v to_o who_o you_o forgive_v any_o thing_n i_o for_o give_v also_o to_o which_o i_o answer_v 1._o that_o this_o show_v only_o the_o apostle_n consent_v to_o the_o release_n of_o the_o incestuous_a penitent_n from_o the_o church_n censure_n of_o excommunication_n former_o pronunce_v 1._o cor._n 5._o 3._o and_o this_o say_v estius_n be_v the_o exposition_n of_o all_o the_o latin_a father_n and_o so_o make_v nothing_o for_o papal_a indulgence_n or_o pardon_n which_o their_o own_o prierias_fw-la lib._n cont_n cath._n de_fw-fr indulg_n and_o cajetan_a opusc_n lib._n 5._o cap._n 1._o grant_v to_o have_v no_o ground_n in_o scripture_n though_o this_o pamphleter_n will_v wrest_v scripture_n for_o they_o yea_o moreover_o say_v cajetan_n none_o of_o the_o ancient_a father_n greek_n or_o latin_n have_v bring_v any_o such_o to_o our_o knowledge_n which_o make_v that_o bellarmin_n bring_v not_o one_o father_n for_o they_o 2._o their_o alfonsus_n a_o castro_n lib._n 8._o cont_n heres_fw-la tit._n indulgentia_fw-la as_o also_o b._n fisher_n cont_n luth._o art_n 18._o grant_v that_o their_o use_n be_v only_o of_o late_a the_o second_o place_n which_o he_o bring_v be_v 2._o cor._n 2._o 6._o sufficient_a to_o such_o a_o man_n be_v this_o punishment_n whence_o he_o conclude_v that_o it_o lie_v in_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o spiritual_a magistrate_n to_o measure_v the_o time_n of_o such_o censure_n or_o punishment_n that_o be_v impose_v to_o which_o i_o answer_v that_o these_o his_o word_n confirm_v what_o we_o have_v say_v before_o show_v what_o ancient_a indulgence_n be_v in_o foro_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la &_o which_o we_o practise_v in_o the_o exercise_n of_o our_o discipline_n towards_o penitent_n as_o we_o see_v cause_n but_o this_o make_v nothing_o for_o papal_a indulgence_n which_o they_o extend_v not_o only_o to_o the_o live_n but_o also_o to_o the_o dead_a in_o purgatory_n and_o wherein_o what_o be_v their_o unity_n or_o rather_o huge_a division_n of_o tongue_n and_o pen_n we_o have_v show_v in_o the_o answer_n to_o the_o ten_o assertion_n 17._o that_o the_o action_n and_o passion_n of_o the_o saint_n serve_v for_o nothing_o to_o the_o church_n which_o he_o say_v be_v contrary_n to_o coloss_n 1._o 24._o where_o the_o apostle_n say_v i_o now_o