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A94166 A Christian, sober & plain exercitation on the two grand practicall controversies of these times; infant baptism and singing of psalms Wherein all the scriptures on both sides are recited, opened and argued, with brevity and tenderness: and whatever hath been largely discussed by others, briefly contracted in a special method for the edification of the saints. By Cuthbert Sidenham, teacher to a church of Christ in Newcastle upon Tine. Sydenham, Cuthbert, 1622-1654. 1653 (1653) Wing S6291; Thomason E1443_1; ESTC R209635 113,076 235

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