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A66150 A defence of the exposition of the doctrine of the Church of England against the exceptions of Monsieur de Meaux, late Bishop of Condom, and his vindicator : the contents are in the next leaf. Wake, William, 1657-1737. 1686 (1686) Wing W236; ESTC R524 126,770 228

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peccatum_fw-la institutum_fw-la non_fw-la utique_fw-la propter_fw-la remedium_fw-la sed_fw-la ad_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la et_fw-fr d._n 26._o l._n a._n cum_fw-la alia_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la post_fw-la peccatum_fw-la &_o propter_fw-la peccatum_fw-la exordium_n sumpserint_fw-la matrimonii_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la etiam_fw-la ante_fw-la peccatum_fw-la legitur_fw-la institutum_fw-la à_fw-la domino_fw-la sacrament_n to_o have_v be_v institute_v not_o only_o before_o christ_n but_o even_o before_o the_o fall_n and_o therefore_o be_v not_o cite_v either_o for_o ostentation_n or_o for_o the_o silly_a reason_n mention_v by_o the_o vindicator_n 3._o vindicator_n 4_o sent._n d._n 26._o q._n 3._o durandus_fw-la in_o express_a term_n declare_v that_o forasmuch_o as_o it_o neither_o confer_v grace_n where_o it_o be_v not_o nor_o increase_v it_o where_o it_o be_v it_o can_v be_v a_o sacrament_n true_o and_o proper_o so_o call_v it_o be_v therefore_o evident_o false_a to_o say_v that_o lombard_n be_v against_o i_o in_o this_o matter_n and_o for_o the_o torrent_n of_o father_n and_o 61._o and_o for_o his_o torrent_n of_o father_n bellarmine_n have_v be_v able_a to_o collect_v but_o six_o or_o seven_o of_o which_o not_o one_o to_o the_o purpose_n nor_o any_o very_a ancient_a and_o for_o the_o scripture_n estius_n one_o of_o the_o wise_a of_o their_o own_o party_n be_v force_v to_o confess_v cum_fw-la igitur_fw-la huius_fw-la doctrinae_fw-la non_fw-la poffit_n ex_fw-la scripture_n haberi_fw-la probatio_fw-la saltem_fw-la aperta_fw-la &_o evidens_fw-la consequens_fw-la est_fw-la articulum_fw-la hunc_fw-la matrimonii_fw-la sacramento_n gratiam_fw-la conferri_fw-la unum_fw-la esse_fw-la extraditionibus_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la non_fw-la scriptis_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la virbum_fw-la dei_fw-la non_fw-la scriptum_fw-la sed_fw-la traditum_fw-la pertinere_fw-la 4_o sent._n d._n 26._o §._o 7._o p._n 61._o scripture_n which_o he_o talk_v of_o it_o will_v have_v be_v more_o to_o this_o purpose_n to_o have_v produce_v their_o authority_n than_o thus_o vain_o to_o boast_v of_o that_o which_o we_o certain_o know_v he_o be_v not_o able_a to_o perform_v article_n fourteen_o of_o holy_a order_n if_o the_o vindicator_n be_v true_o agree_v with_o i_o in_o this_o article_n 71._o vindicat._n p._n 71._o he_o must_v then_o renounce_v the_o number_n of_o his_o seven_o sacrament_n i_o deny_v that_o there_o be_v any_o sign_n institute_v by_o christ_n to_o which_o his_o grace_n be_v annex_v all_o the_o authority_n imposition_n of_o hand_n have_v in_o scripture_n be_v only_o the_o example_n of_o three_o or_o four_o place_n where_o it_o be_v practise_v indeed_o but_o no_o where_o command_v i_o affirm_v that_o several_a of_o his_o own_o church_n have_v declare_v it_o not_o to_o be_v essential_a to_o holy_a order_n nor_o by_o consequence_n the_o outward_a sign_n of_o a_o sacrament_n in_o they_o in_o a_o word_n i_o say_v that_o the_o grace_n confer_v be_v no_o justify_v grace_n nor_o by_o consequence_n such_o as_o be_v requisite_a to_o make_v a_o true_a and_o proper_a sacrament_n to_o all_o which_o he_o have_v think_v fit_a not_o to_o offer_v one_o word_n in_o answer_n article_n 15_o 16_o 17_o 18._o of_o the_o eucharist_n as_o to_o the_o business_n of_o the_o eucharist_n 72._o vindicat._n p._n 72._o i_o have_v not_o enter_v on_o any_o argument_n about_o it_o have_v not_o mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n here_o think_v fit_a to_o lay_v aside_o the_o character_n of_o a_o expositor_n to_o assume_v that_o of_o a_o disputant_n for_o the_o word_n of_o institution_n which_o be_v the_o principal_a part_n of_o this_o controversy_n i_o propose_v two_o argument_n to_o confirm_v the_o interpretation_n which_o our_o church_n give_v of_o they_o one_o from_o the_o the_o natural_a import_n of_o the_o word_n themselves_o the_o other_o from_o the_o intention_n of_o our_o saviour_n in_o the_o institution_n of_o this_o holy_a sacrament_n to_o the_o former_a of_o these_o the_o vindicator_n think_v he_o can_v answer_v somewhat_o but_o for_o the_o latter_a it_o have_v be_v urge_v chief_o since_o bellarmine_n time_n and_o so_o our_o author_n have_v nothing_o to_o say_v to_o it_o for_o the_o former_a than_o he_o tell_v we_o ibid._n ibid._n first_o of_o the_o insincerity_n of_o my_o attack_z 74._o pag._n 73_o 74._o that_o the_o bishop_n declare_v there_o be_v nothing_o in_o the_o word_n of_o institution_n oblige_v they_o to_o take_v they_o in_o a_o figurative_a sense_n to_o which_o i_o oppose_v only_o that_o there_o be_v such_o ground_n in_o they_o for_o a_o figurative_a interpretation_n as_o natural_o lead_v to_o it_o it_o be_v true_a i_o have_v not_o here_o use_v the_o very_a word_n oblige_v but_o yet_o in_o my_o proof_n i_o proceed_v upon_o such_o ground_n as_o i_o say_v will_v necessary_o reqvire_n a_o figurative_a 47._o expos_fw-la ch._n of_o eng._n p._n 47._o interpretation_n which_o be_v much_o the_o same_o thing_n and_o though_o i_o can_v tell_v what_o will_v oblige_v he_o to_o take_v those_o word_n in_o their_o true_a i._n e._n figurative_a sense_n yet_o if_o i_o have_v prove_v that_o there_o be_v such_o ground_n in_o those_o word_n as_o natural_o indeed_o necessary_o lead_v to_o it_o any_o reasonable_a man_n will_v think_v that_o join_v with_o the_o other_o proof_n from_o the_o reason_n of_o the_o thing_n itself_o may_v be_v sufficient_a to_o oblige_v he_o to_o acquiesce_v in_o it_o but_o we_o will_v examine_v his_o process_n which_o whether_o it_o argue_v more_o my_o unsincerity_n or_o the_o falseness_n of_o their_o interpretation_n i_o shall_v leave_v it_o to_o the_o reader_n to_o judge_n first_o he_o confess_v as_o to_o my_o first_o position_n 73._o vindicat._n p._n 73._o that_o the_o word_n themselves_o do_v natural_o lead_v to_o a_o figurative_a interpretation_n nobody_n say_v he_o ever_o deny_v but_o the_o word_n as_o they_o lie_v without_o consider_v the_o circumstance_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n deliver_v the_o interpretation_n of_o they_o down_o to_o we_o may_v possible_o lead_v to_o a_o figurative_a interpretation_n see_v the_o like_a expression_n be_v frequent_o find_v in_o scripture_n as_o for_o example_n i_o be_o a_o door_n i_o be_o a_o vine_n etc._n etc._n which_o be_v always_o take_v by_o the_o church_n in_o a_o figurative_a sense_n we_o shall_v esteem_v he_o a_o madman_n that_o shall_v think_v it_o possible_a after_o this_o to_o persuade_v all_o the_o world_n they_o ought_v to_o be_v take_v in_o a_o literal_a and_o as_o it_o will_v be_v a_o madness_n to_o suppose_v all_o mankind_n may_v in_o future_a age_n be_v so_o sottish_a as_o to_o renounce_v this_o figurative_a interpretation_n of_o jesus_n christ_n be_v a_o door_n and_o a_o vine_n and_o fall_v so_o far_o into_o the_o literal_a sense_n as_o to_o believe_v he_o to_o be_v substantial_o present_a in_o they_o and_o pay_v the_o utmost_a adoration_n to_o he_o there_o set_v they_o up_o in_o temple_n to_o be_v adore_v and_o celebrate_v feast_n in_o honour_n of_o they_o say_v they_o this_o be_v the_o pretence_n of_o mr._n arnauld_n and_o at_o large_a refute_v by_o mr._n claude_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o he_o who_o work_n be_v in_o english_a i_o shall_v refer_v the_o reader_n who_o desire_v to_o see_v the_o vanity_n of_o this_o argument_n expose_v to_o what_o he_o have_v there_o say_v so_o we_o can_v but_o think_v it_o to_o be_v irrational_a to_o imagine_v that_o if_o the_o disciple_n and_o whole_a church_n in_o all_o nation_n have_v be_v once_o teach_v these_o word_n this_o be_v my_o body_n be_v to_o be_v take_v in_o a_o figurative_a sense_n it_o can_v ever_o have_v happen_v that_o the_o visible_a church_n in_o all_o nation_n shall_v agree_v to_o teach_v their_o child_n the_o literal_a etc._n etc._n the_o meaning_n of_o which_o discourse_n if_o i_o understand_v it_o aright_o be_v this_o concession_n that_o the_o word_n of_o institution_n do_v in_o themselves_o as_o natural_o lead_v to_o a_o figurative_a interpretation_n as_o those_o other_o expression_n i_o be_o a_o vine_n i_o be_o a_o door_n and_o the_o only_a thing_n which_o make_v the_o difference_n be_v that_o the_o church_n as_o he_o suppose_v have_v from_o the_o beginning_n interpret_v the_o one_o according_a to_o the_o letter_n the_o other_o in_o a_o figurative_a acceptation_n second_o as_o to_o my_o argument_n that_o if_o the_o relative_n this_o in_o that_o proposition_n this_o be_v my_o body_n refer_v to_o the_o bread_n which_o our_o saviour_n hold_v in_o his_o hand_n the_o natural_a repugnancy_n there_o be_v betwixt_o the_o two_o thing_n affirm_v of_o one_o another_o bread_n and_o christ_n body_n will_v necessary_o reqvire_n the_o figurative_a interpretation_n this_o etc._n this_o de_fw-fr euch._n l._n 1._o c._n 1._o p._n 462._o l._n d._n speak_v of_o carolstrad_n opinion_n of_o the_o eucharist_n scripsit_fw-la say_v he_o verba_fw-la evangelistae_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la hunc_fw-la facere_fw-la sensum_fw-la hic_fw-la panis_n est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la quae_fw-la sententia_fw-la aut_fw-la
accipi_fw-la debet_fw-la tropicè_fw-la ut_fw-la panis_n sit_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la significatiuè_fw-la aut_fw-la est_fw-la planè_fw-la absurda_fw-la &_o impossibilis_fw-la nec_fw-la enim_fw-la fieri_fw-la potest_fw-la ut_fw-la panis_n sit_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la et_fw-fr l._n 3._o c._n 19_o p._n 747._o non_fw-la potest_fw-la fieri_fw-la ut_fw-la vera_fw-la fit_a propositio_fw-la in_o quâ_fw-la subjectum_fw-la supponit_fw-la pro_fw-la pane_n praedicatum_fw-la autem_fw-la pro_fw-la corpore_fw-la christi_fw-la etc._n etc._n bellarmine_n gloss_n bellarmine_n hoc_fw-la est_fw-la impossibile_fw-it quod_fw-la panis_n fit_a corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la de_fw-fr consecrat_fw-mi d._n 2._o c._n 55._o p._n 2393._o in_o gloss_n gratian_n and_o other_o do_v confess_v and_o the_o vindicator_n himself_o seem_v content_v with_o it_o only_o he_o believe_v that_o all_o my_o logic_n will_v never_o be_v able_a to_o prove_v that_o the_o pronoun_n this_o must_v necessary_o relate_v to_o panis_n 56._o panis_n in_o the_o aethiopian_a church_n they_o give_v the_o holy_a eucharist_n with_o this_o explication_n hic_fw-la panis_n est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la ludolphi_n hist_o l._n 3._o c._n 5._o n._n 56._o bread_n and_o not_o to_o corpus_n body_n how_o far_o my_o logic_n have_v be_v able_a to_o do_v this_o i_o must_v leave_v it_o to_o other_o to_o determine_v but_o for_o the_o vindicator_n satisfaction_n i_o do_v assure_v he_o that_o bellarmine_n look_v upon_o it_o to_o be_v good_a logic._n and_o because_o it_o be_v in_o the_o middle_n of_o the_o citation_n i_o refer_v to_o and_o which_o he_o have_v almost_o entire_o transcribe_v except_v only_o the_o part_n i_o be_o now_o speak_v of_o i_o will_v not_o charge_v he_o with_o unsincerity_n in_o the_o omission_n but_o i_o must_v needs_o say_v it_o be_v indiscreet_a to_o put_v the_o issue_n of_o the_o question_n upon_o what_o his_o cardinal_n have_v so_o free_o confess_v meum_fw-la confess_v bellarm_n de_fw-fr euchar._n l._n 3._o c._n 19_o p._n 746._o lit._n d._n dominus_fw-la accepit_fw-la in_o manibus_fw-la panom_fw-la eumque_fw-la benedixit_fw-la &_o dedit_fw-la discipulis_fw-la &_o de_fw-la eo_fw-la ait_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la itaque_fw-la panem_fw-la accepit_fw-la panem_fw-la benedixit_fw-la panem_fw-la dedit_fw-la &_o de_fw-fr pane_n dixit_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la the_o lord_n say_v he_o take_v bread_n in_o his_o hand_n and_o bless_v it_o and_o give_v it_o to_o his_o disciple_n and_o say_v of_o it_o this_o be_v my_o body_n therefore_o he_o take_v bread_n and_o bless_a bread_n and_o give_v bread_n to_o his_o disciple_n and_o say_v of_o bread_n this_o be_v my_o body_n and_o in_o erat_fw-la in_o id._n l._n 1._o c._n 11._o p._n 517._o lit._n b._n siquis_fw-la digito_fw-la aliquid_fw-la ostendat_fw-la dum_fw-la pronomen_fw-la effert_fw-la valdè_fw-la absurdum_fw-la videtur_fw-la dicere_fw-la pronomine_fw-la illo_fw-la non_fw-la demonstrari_fw-la rem_fw-la praesentem_fw-la atqui_fw-la dominus_fw-la accepit_fw-la panem_fw-la &_o illu_z porrigens_fw-la ait_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la videtur_fw-la igitur_fw-la demonstravisse_fw-la panem_fw-la neque_fw-la obstat_fw-la quòd_fw-la propositio_fw-la non_fw-la significat_fw-la nisi_fw-la in_o sine_fw-la totius_fw-la prolationis_fw-la nam_fw-la etsi_fw-la ita_fw-la est_fw-la de_fw-fr propositione_n quae_fw-la est_fw-la oratio_fw-la quaedam_fw-la tamen_fw-la demonstrativa_fw-la pronomina_fw-la mox_fw-la indicant_fw-la certum_fw-la aliquid_fw-la etiam_fw-la antequam_fw-la sequantur_fw-la caeterae_fw-la voces_fw-la et_fw-la sanè_fw-la in_o illis_fw-la verbis_fw-la bibite_fw-la ex_fw-la hoc_fw-la omnes_fw-la valdè_fw-la durum_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la demonstrari_fw-la i_o d._n quod_fw-la erat_fw-la sed_fw-la ay_o d._n tantùm_fw-la quod_fw-la futurum_fw-la erat_fw-la another_o place_n argue_v against_o this_o very_a opinion_n of_o the_o vindicator_n that_o this_o in_o that_o proposition_n belong_v to_o body_n not_o the_o bread_n which_o he_o hold_v in_o his_o hand_n say_v that_o if_o a_o man_n point_v with_o his_o finger_n to_o a_o thing_n whilst_o he_o utter_v a_o pronoun_n demonstrative_a it_o be_v absurd_a to_o say_v that_o any_o thing_n else_o shall_v be_v refer_v to_o but_o that_o thing_n our_o lord_n take_v bread_n and_o reach_v it_o out_o to_o they_o say_v take_v eat_v this_o be_v my_o body_n he_o seem_v to_o have_v point_v to_o the_o bread_n and_o therefore_o must_v have_v show_v some_o certain_a thing_n even_o before_o the_o other_o word_n be_v pronounce_v from_o which_o put_v together_o i_o think_v we_o may_v frame_v this_o argument_n if_o the_o relative_n this_o in_o that_o proposition_n this_o be_v my_o body_n belong_v to_o the_o bread_n so_o that_o the_o meaning_n be_v this_o bread_n be_v my_o body_n than_o it_o must_v be_v understand_v figurative_o or_o it_o be_v plain_o absurd_a and_o impossible_a but_o the_o relative_a this_o in_o that_o proposition_n this_o be_v my_o body_n do_v belong_v to_o the_o bread_n forasmuch_o as_o christ_n take_v bread_n and_o bless_a bread_n and_o give_v bread_n to_o his_o disciple_n and_o therefore_o say_v of_o bread_n this_o be_v my_o body_n therefore_o that_o proposition_n this_o be_v my_o body_n must_v be_v understand_v figurative_o or_o it_o be_v plain_o absurd_a and_o impossible_a how_o far_o the_o vindicator_n will_v approve_v this_o logic_n i_o can_v tell_v but_o the_o first_o proposition_n be_v their_o common_a concession_n and_o he_o himself_o seem_v content_v with_o it_o the_o second_o be_v bellarmine_n own_o grant_n nay_o what_o he_o contend_v for_o and_o indeed_o what_o the_o connexion_n of_o the_o word_n do_v evident_o require_v and_o then_o for_o the_o conclusion_n i_o believe_v a_o very_a little_a logic_n will_v be_v enough_o at_o any_o time_n to_o make_v good_a the_o sequel_n of_o it_o but_o the_o vindicator_n have_v a_o exception_n against_o all_o this_o 75._o 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charge_v with_o any_o heresy_n he_o be_v of_o alexandria_n where_o he_o be_v ordain_v a_o priest_n and_o become_v deserve_o eminent_a for_o this_o that_o when_o julian_n forbid_v the_o christian_n the_o read_n of_o human_a writer_n be_v envious_a of_o that_o reputation_n which_o many_o of_o the_o father_n of_o the_o church_n have_v so_o just_o acquire_v in_o that_o sort_n of_o learning_n he_o with_o his_o son_n socrat._v eccles_n hist_o lib._n 3._o cap_n 16._o calvisii_n chronol_n pag._n 525._o a_o 362._o repair_v in_o great_a measure_n this_o disadvantage_n by_o open_v of_o two_o school_n the_o father_n turn_v the_o write_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n into_o heroic_a verse_n and_o compose_v several_a tragedy_n of_o the_o historical_a part_n of_o they_o the_o son_n explain_v the_o new_a in_o dialogue_n after_o the_o platonic_a manner_n and_o by_o this_o mean_n preserve_v the_o church_n from_o that_o ignorance_n which_o the_o apostate_n emperor_n think_v to_o have_v reduce_v it_o to_o 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orat_fw-la 46._o p._n 722._o etc._n etc._n but_o to_o have_v be_v always_o with_o he_o consubstantial_a with_o the_o divinity_n which_o divinity_n therefore_o by_o consequence_n suffer_v and_o be_v mortal_a which_o epiphanius_n theodoret_n but_o especial_o gregor_n nazianzen_n have_v at_o large_a relate_v only_o since_o some_o for_o the_o more_o distinct_a conception_n of_o the_o apollinarian_a heresy_n have_v thus_o distinguish_v it_o from_o that_o of_o eutyches_n afterward_o that_o the_o eutychian_a affirm_v that_o our_o bless_a saviour_n take_v nothing_o from_o the_o bless_a virgin_n theodoret._n heretic_n fab._n l._n 4._o c._n 13._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d eutyches_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o that_o the_o very_a logos_fw-la the_o word_n itself_o be_v as_o theodoret_n express_v it_o immutable_o convert_v and_o make_v flesh_n only_o pass_v through_o the_o virgin_n whereas_o apollinarius_n suppose_v the_o flesh_n of_o christ_n which_o he_o take_v of_o the_o virgin_n to_o be_v convert_v into_o the_o divine_a nature_n it_o appear_v by_o gregory_n nazianzen_n that_o this_o be_v no_o certain_a distinction_n forasmuch_o as_o the_o apollinarian_a too_o affirm_v oftentimes_o the_o same_o thing_n that_o as_o the_o father_n express_v it_o in_o the_o place_n i_o before_o cite_v naz._n orat_fw-la 46._o supr_fw-la dict_z 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d apollinarius_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d pag._n 722._o our_o saviour_n be_v even_o before_o he_o descend_v the_o son_n of_o man_n and_o descend_v bring_v his_o flesh_n along_o with_o he_o which_o he_o have_v whilst_o he_o be_v in_o heaven_n before_o all_o age_n and_o consubstantial_a with_o his_o essence_n which_o be_v what_o theodoret_n long_o since_o observe_v when_o in_o his_o 3._o dialogue_n speak_v with_o relation_n to_o they_o both_o he_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d they_o who_o have_v patch_v together_o this_o various_a and_o many-formed_a heresy_n sometime_o say_v that_o the_o word_n be_v 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