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A20949 The Iesuites shifts, and euasions; or, his deportment in controuersies of religion. Or, A treatise, wherein the causes are examined why Mr. Arnoux the Iesuite, refuseth to answere to seauenteene questions propounded by the ministers of the church of Paris Wherein also the treatise of fiue euasions which he hath added to the examination of our confession, is likewise examined and answered: by Peter Du Moulin.; Fuites et évasions du Sieur Arnoux. English Du Moulin, Pierre, 1568-1658. 1624 (1624) STC 7328; ESTC S111074 27,667 44

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interpret_v these_o word_n this_o be_v my_o body_n but_o to_o show_v that_o whosoever_o will_v always_o take_v the_o word_n of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n literal_o and_o leave_v these_o interpretation_n whereby_o the_o scripture_n express_v itself_o shall_v often_o fall_v into_o great_a absurdity_n and_o to_o show_v that_o ordinary_o the_o scripture_n name_v the_o sign_n and_o sacrament_n by_o the_o name_n of_o that_o which_o they_o represent_v chap._n viii_o the_o five_o evasion_n the_o five_o evasion_n which_o master_n arnoux_n impute_v unto_o we_o be_v a_o chaos_n of_o confuse_a calumniation_n he_o say_v that_o we_o attribute_v thing_n to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o she_o believe_v not_o that_o we_o charge_v the_o pope_n with_o injury_n that_o we_o reject_v the_o original_a text_n of_o the_o scripture_n that_o be_v the_o hebrew_n and_o the_o greek_a