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A02358	Popish glorying in antiquity turned to their shame Whereby is shewed, how they wrong, villifie, and disgrace, that whereunto they pretend to carry greateste reuerence: and are most guilty of that which they vpbraide vnto others. Collected and proued out of themselues, for the singular profit both of pastors and professors. By William Guild, minister at King Edward.	Guild, William, 1586-1657.	1627 (1627)	STC 12490; ESTC S117899	90,426	272

Scripsit librum binc in primordiis conversionis suae that is He wrote that booke in the beginning of his Conversion Which Answere how little it is to the purpose anie Man may see seeing wee finde no-wise that ever hee retreated the same Like-wise hee citeth Chrysostome for the same manner of Reall Presence but vvhen hee is cited to prooue that the Virgine Marie was conceived in originall Sinne because shee actuallie offended Tolet rejecteth Saynct Chrysostome and sayeth That heere-in hee is not to bee allowed In like manner Bellarmine adduceth Cyprian for the same point yet of Reall Presence but hee rejecteth him flatlie when he maketh against Traditions saying That hee wrote that when hee would defende his Errour against the Romane Church Sainct Ierome also is brought foorth as a Patron of the same Reall Presence but is roundlie rejected in the point of Ecclesiasticall Hierarchie saying that hee maintained a verie false Opinion More-over Ireneus is cited by Bellarmine for the same preceeding point but is rejected in his Exposition of the Number of the Beast's Name that it is Lateinus Lactantius like-wise as a most ancient Father is adduced by Bellarmine to prooue Popish Satisfaction but is rejected roughlie with this Dittie when he maketh against him as in the matter of Images c. Lactantius sayeth hee fell in manie Errours Againe through all his Controversies Origen is cited by Bellarmine for speciall Confirmation as of Monasticall life workes of Supererogation and such like but when in the matter of Traditions or other pointes hee is opposed then hee is rejected as one saieth Bellarmine of no Authoritie Yea more-over hee showeth where hee was seene in Hell with Arrius and Nestorius Like-wise Prudentius is adduced by Bellarmine for Popish Confirmation Pilgrymage and vowing to Sainctes c. But when he maketh against him hee is rejected roundlie saying More poetico lusisse Prudentium that is That Prudentius playeth him-selfe after a poeticall manner When Ruffinus also seemeth to make for Adoration of Reliques he is cited by Bellarmine as a most ancient and Reverende Father But when hee clearlie maketh against the Pope's Supremacie hee is verie vnmannerlie rejected as one that is false and vntrue In like manner Theophylact is frequentlie cited by Bellarmine as for Monasticall lyfe and Papall Supremacie but is rejected thus whē hee maketh against him saying That hee lived in the time of a Schisme and therefore his authoritie is not worthie to bee received Enthymius like-wise is cited by Bellarmine as one of great authoritie when hee maketh for him but is thus casten at his heeles when hee maketh against him saying Nō est adeo à nobis magnifaciendus that is Hee is not much to bee esteemed by vs. Thus may it truelie bee spoken of the Romanistes vvhich Anastasius Sinaita Patriarch of Antioch reporteth of the Hereticke Severus in his booke written against the Severians to wit Even as hee had beene the Iudge of the quicke and the dead hee so vsed at his pleasure the Fathers of the Church receiving vvhome hee pleased and rejecting in them what-so-ever hee listed And that this same is done now by our Adversaries the preceeding Examples doe evidentlie show AN APPENDIX Of the Romanistes their other shamelesse and fraudulent forme of Answeres to cleare Testimonies of Fathers objected against them 1. By giving a Sence cleare contrarie to their wordes EXamples heere-of we haue in that Directorie of the Duay Seminarie where they ordaine in the booke of that auncient Bertram not onlie Invisibiliter to bee put for Visibiliter but thereafter that the words Secundum creaturarum substantiam that is According to the substance of the Creatures shall bee expounded Secundum externas species Sacramenti that is According to the externall qualities or accidents of the Sacramēt No lesse absurdlie like-wise doeth Bellarmine affirme That by the substance of the Elementes vvhich Theodoret avoweth to remaine still as they were before after Consecration that he meaneth not onelie bare Accidentes to remaine but the nature onlie of Accidents to abide saying While Theodoret affirmeth saieth hee that the substance of the Elements abideth and is not changed hee speaketh of the Essence and Nature of the Accidentes But a most pregnant Example of anie which wee haue of late is that which is in the Compende of Becanus Manuell a Iesuit who aunswering to those wordes of Chrysostome which are so cleare against the Popish Mutilation of the Sacrament to wit Omnibus unus Panis proponitur unum Poculum that is To all men who-soever one Bread is offered and one Cup together Becanus answereth That by the Cup the Cup is not meaned but the Blood which by concomitance is the Bodie and which after that manner the Laicks receiue Whereas the holy Father Chrysostome could not haue meaned by the Cup the blood in the bodie seeing by the contrarie the Cup is ever called and that by Christ Him-selfe The blood that is shed and powred out of the bodie neyther could hee possiblie more clearlie haue spoken distinguishing betweene the Bread and the Cup and declaring that vnder both kindes Eating and Drinking the people of olde did duelie communicate 2. How they answere by tempering the words of the Fathers OF this fraudfull Shift by tempering as they call it the wordes of the Fathers to play to their Tune wee haue a notable Example in our fore-saide Bellarmine vvho treating of the Irremissiblenesse of the Sinne against the Holie Ghost and that it is helde to bee absolutelie such he saieth This appeareth to be the minde of Athanasius Hilarie Ierome and Anselmus on the twelft of Matthew Videtur tamen temperanda saieth hee id est irremissibile esse ordinarie ut plarimum that is But their speach would bee tempered to wit that this Sinne is ordinarilie irrimissible and for the most part Which is both contrarie to the wordes of those Fathers as also contrarie to the verie absolute speach of Christ and last of all crosseth his owne Rule saying Non oportet restringere quod Deus amplum esse voluit that is We must not make a restriction of those words which God will haue to bee absolutelie taken The like Example we haue also in qualifying of Sainct Bernard's wordes which wee adduce against popish Merites out of his 310 Epistle where-in hee declareth that his whole life even to the verie last period there-of which hee calleth Calcaneum was al-to-gether destitute of Merites But how aunswereth Bellarmine and qualifieth or tempereth hee this Speach Perhaps saieth hee hee spake this humbly but not truely Which sense against sense Bernard him-selfe else-where pithilie over-throweth saying When ye haue done all things that are commanded say that yee are vnprofitable Servantes But thou wilt say saieth Bernard that hee willed vs to say so for Humilities sake Yes indeede But willed

he citeth againe the foresaide Chrysostome saying Tumulos Martyrum adoremus vvhere-as Chrysostome vvithout anie vvord of adoration sayeth onely 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ●angamus Againe vvhen as Pope Leo his Epistle is cited for the priviledge of Marriage in the Clergie speaking as Moses did of the conditions of the High-Priest's Wyfe De muliere sacerdotis eligenda that is What a one for Wyfe the Priest should make choyse of without anie more warrandable Reason than bare Alleadgeance Bellarmine sayth Legitur in codicibus melioribus de muliere sacerdotio elegendi that is It is read in those Bookes that are better reformed to wit by Popish Transforming of the Wyfe of the Priest that is to bee chosen Insinuating there-by that howsoever he might haue had a Wyfe before his Su●ception of Priesthood yet there-after hee might not haue anie In lyke manner the same Bellarmine to proue that Antichrist is not yet come hee bringeth this reason That when hee commeth the Persecution of the Church shall bee so great and manifest that such a separation shall bee made contrarie to Matthew 13 30 that all the Wicked and lurking Hypocrites shall bee conveaned together in Antichrist's Hoaste openly oppugne the Church of the Sayncts which sayeth hee hath not yet beene and therefore that Antichrist is not yet come But to proue his Major hee adduceth a falsified Testimonie of Augustine's saying A● tunc erumpent omnes in apertam persecutionem ex latebris odiorum that is And then all the Wicked shall burst foorth in open Persecution out of the lurking Holes of their hatred VVhere-as Augustine's true wordes are these onlie speaking of Satan's loosing Exibit a●tem dictum est sayth hee in apertam persecutionem de la●eb● is ●rumpet odiorum that is As is sayde Satan shall goe foorth in open persecution and out of the lurking Holes of his hatred to the Godlie shall hee then breake out More-over vvhen Pope Clements owne Testimonie in Eusebiu● is adduced to show that of the Apostles after CHRIST'S Assumption Nemo sibi vendicabat primatus gloriam that is Never one of them did challenge to them-selues the honour of Primacie one aboue another Bellarmine answereth That albeit in the Edition of Basill of Ruffinus Version which is the oldest and vnsuspect these fore-named words be yet in the Edition of Colen turned and set foorth by a Catholicke Romane since then vvhich is later and done by a Partie the vvord of Primacie is not to be seene there is notable purging And for these vvords saith he Bishop of the Apostles speaking of S. Iames is to be found Bishop of Ierusalem Heere is againe a notable alteration and both the former Purgings this are cleared by our Adversaries Like-wise the same Bellarmine freelie confesseth Pope Gregorie's Epistles to be cunninglie corrupted by Popish Episcopal Parasites who vvould haue Confirmation onlie to belong to Bishops and therefore they haue put in the fore-saide Epistles baptizandos for baptizatos that is Those that are to bee baptized for Those that are baptized The like corruption hee confesseth to bee in Pope Gregorie's Morals by those vvho affirming the Fire of Purgatorie not to bee materiall and bodilie haue put in incorporeum for corporeum that is Incorporeall for Corporeall And vvhen a Testimonie out of Socrates is produced against the Antiquitie of their fourtie dayes of Lent after that Bellarmine vvithout anie vvarrand or certaintie hath saide onlie Probabile est codicem Socratis esse corruptum that is It is likelie that Socrates booke bath beene corrupted hee subjoyneth Pro tribus septimanis scribendum esse quinque that is That for three weekes it is best to write fiue and concludeth that this metamorphosing of Authors is the only fittestvvay when they are straited to extricate them-selues and compose their differs saying Itaque si corrigamus textum Socratis pro tribus septimanis ponamus quinque nulla erit discordia inter Socratem Cassianum that is Therefore sayth he if wee amend the Text of Socrates and if wee put for three weekes fiue then no discord shall bee betweene Socrates and Cassian Againe vvhere-as the Author of the imperfect vvorke vpon Matthew attributed to Chrysostome in the 19 Homilie of the olde Edition 1487 hath Sacrificium panis vini that is The offering of bread and wyne the latter Edition at Paris Apud Audoenum Parvum 1557 hath altered them into these vvords Sacrificium corporis sanguinis CHRISTI that is The sacrifice or oblation of the Bodie and Blood of CHRIST Likewise this Prayer is found in the elder Editions of the Gregorian Sacramentarie vvhere-by is proven That Prayer which was vsed of olde for the Dead did not necessarilie inferre That their Soules were therfor in Purgatorie for whō they did pray Annue nobis Domine ut anima famuli tui Leonis haec prosit Oblatio that is Grant vs O Lord that this Oblation may profit the Soule of thy Servant Pope Leo. For which the later Editions haue chopt in this Prayer Annue nobis Domine at intercessione famuli tui Leonis haec nobis prosit oblatio that is Grant vs O Lord that by the intercession of thy Servant Leo this Offering may profit vs. I neede not to repeat agayne that alteration of Cyprian's wordes which is alreadie mentioned in this same Chapter putting Dignitatis for Potestatis Honour for Power where-vnto the Reader for inspection of the whole Forgerie may haue his Recourse By such fraudfull Relation then of their Myndes and Alteration of the words of ancient Fathers they haue not onelie as it were marred their Complexion and for Shibboleth made them say Siboleth but shamelesselie also to haue called Light Darknesse and Darknesse Light as in their dealing with the purging of Bertram they openlie professe ordaining by their Expurgatorie Index for Visibiliter fol. 1137 to bee put Invisibiliter And so for founding their Vsurpation haue sought so to confound the Trueth that if their owne Mouths did not condemne those naughtie Servantes and their owne Pennes and Paynes discovered not vnto vs some Examples by Hercules Foote to cognosse the rest of his hudge Stature Wee should doubt that those whome the LORD made in their age lyke Elias to pleade for the Trueth lyke Iesabels Priestes that they had beene rather Pleaders for Baal And therefore we see how necessarie is that Caveat of Vincentius Lyrinensis That it is dangerous to commit the Tryall of inveterate Errours to the Wrytinges of Auncientes how-so-ever he commend the Tryall of such as are new broached to bee made by the consent of Fathers his wordes are these But neyther al-wayes nor all kinds of Heresies are to bee impugned after this manner but such as are new and latelie sprung vp namely when they first aryse whyle by the straytnesse of Tyme it selfe they may bee impeded from falsifying the Rules of ancient Fayth and before that their Poyson

those same Fathers agaynst them which they obtrude vnto vs as true 1. Disclayming some as counterfeyt 2. Alleadging of others That perhaps only they are so THE Rhemists call this an olde Tricke of Hereticks when they were preassed with the Testimonies of ancient Fathers to deny that those were the Authors but some others of a later age and Rose-weed the Iesuit sayth That this was a common Shift of Hereticks when they were straited with anie cleare Testimonie of Antiquitie to cry out That the booke was counterfeit or corrupt Evasionem saith Harding omnium miserrimam à ratione conjuetudine doctissim●rum alienissimam that is A most miserable sort of escaping saith hee and most contrarious both to Reason and Custome of the most Learned And yet notwithstanding how guiltie these Iesuiticall Impostors are of this Practise which they vpbrayde to others and how vnmindfull they are of that saying Omni vitio debet carere qui in alterum paratus est dicere let these few Examples that doe ensue testifie First Bellarmine as also the Rhemists to prooue the Pope's Supremacie as also Popish Reall presence bring their Testimonies out of S. Ambrose his Commentaries on Paul's Epistles and yet when wee object a place out of the same to proue that the Sacramentall Bread is the representatiue Bodie of CHRIST onlie Bellarmine plainlie then disclaimeth those Commentaries and saith they are not S. Ambroses Againe Bellarmine adduceth Augustine Ad Orosium against vs as the true Father to prooue Ecclesiasticus to bee Canonicall Scripture but declareth him counterfeyt when wee oppose him to him agaynst the Order of the Masse Arnobius also is brought foorth as a most ancient Father against vs in the matter of Free-will but disclaimed else-where when hee maketh against him as 〈…〉 and a miere counterfeit In like manner Augustine's Questions on the Olde and New Testament are produced against vs as Augustine's owne worke both to proue the Masse to bee a Sacrifice properlie in one place as also to be propitiatorie in another but are rejected by the same Bellarmine as counterfeit and hereticall when wee prooue out of the same That Sacraments conferre not Grace Ex opere operato Lyke-wyse Bellarmine citeth S. Basill's Questions to proue Monasticall lyfe and a man's incertayntie of his owne Salvation but when wee vrge agaynst them those same Questions agaynst their Distinction of Sinne into Veniall and Mortall he disclaymeth that book to bee Saynct Basill's but one Eustatbius Sebassenus a condemned hereticke More-over Bellarmine adduceth Saynct Cyprian's Sermon Le ●oena 〈…〉 poyntes of Poperie as Transsubstantiation the Sacrifice of the Masse and Purgatorie c. And yet when the same is objected agaynst their Mutilation of the Sacrament by taking away the C●p from the People he disclaymeth that Sermon to be Cyprian's but some vncertayne Author's Agayne Bellarmine produceth Chrysostome on Matthew to proue manie Popish poyntes as Monasticall lyfe Veniall sinnes Free-will Transsubstantiation Adoration of the Host and agaynst the Magistrates lawfull power in matters of Re●ig●on But when wee proue out of that same Commentarie on Matthew the perfection of Scripture that the people should reade the same opposeth him in the matter of Matrimonie then he disclaymeth that worke to be Sainct Chrysostome's but some Hereticke's as hee pleaseth to style him In lyke manner Bellarmine bringeth out Clement's Recognitions for Free-will Harding bringeth him for Traditions and yet when they are alleadged agaynst the Pope's Succession to Peter proving that Peter died not at Rome then hee disclaymeth them as Apocryphall and counterfeyt Damasus lyke-wyse an ancient Pope his Pontificall is cited by Bellarmine to proue the tyme of Peter's sitting at Rome and for the setting vp of Images in Churches but is rejected as a Counterfeyt of vncertayne authoritie when out of the same wee proue that Linus whome they make Pope after Peter Clement died before Peter him-selfe so improveth the Line of their Papall Succession as false and absurd Agayne Damasus Epistles are vrged agaynst vs to proue Papall Supremacie and Popish Confirmation But are disclaymed as none of his when they are opposed agaynst Appeales to Rome Lyke-wyse Damascen is cited by Bellarmine agaynst vs to proue the Adoration of Saynctes but is disclaymed as a Counterfeyt when the absurd Tale of their Popes and other Saynctes their Freeing of Soules which were damned out of Hell is objected to them Epiphanius also his Epistle to Iohn of Ierusalem is cited by Bellarmine in the matter of the Sacrament but when the same Epistle is opposed agaynst their Images hee disclaimeth those words thereof to bee but forged and counterfeyt In lyke manner Eusebius Emissenus Homilies are cited by Bellarmine for Adoration of Reliques that Consecration is by these wordes Hoc est Corpus meum and yet are elsewhere freelie acknowledged to be none of his Ignatius also a Greeke Father is oft tymes cited by Bellarmine for sundrie poynts of Poperie as Transsubstantiation and others but when he is adduced clearlie agaynst their Mutilation of the Sacrament Bellarmine aunswereth That Ignatius Greeke Wrytinges are not much to bee trusted to Agayne Martialis as Christe's owne Disciple is produced by Bellarmine for the Vow of Chastitie and other poyntes and yet in his Recognitions hee acknowledgeth both Abdias booke and Martialis to bee miere Counterfeyts and of no Authoritie Lyke-wyse Synopsis Dorothei is cited by Bellarmine to prooue Peter's sitting at Rome as Bishop of that Citie but when the same Synopsis is produced prooving That it was not Peter but rather Barnabas that founded that Church hee d●sclaymeth that booke then as full of Lies and Forgerie After the lyke manner hee disclaymeth that booke of Pope Gelasius agaynst Eutyches as none of his when he is cited clearly against Transsubstantiation altho hee bee so styled Romanus Episcopus in their owne Bibliotheca Patrum and that their Massonius lyke-wyse in the lyues of the Popes comming to Gelasius maketh mention of this worke And no lesse causelesse also disclaymeth hee with a shamelesse fore-head the foure bookes of Charles the Great agaynst Images as lyke-wyse that Epistle of Vdalricus to Pope Nicolas agaynst forced Continencie alleadging those former to bee none of theirs and that onelie because they make agaynst him I omit the lyke answere of Gretzer to Athanasius Synopsis agaynst Apocryphall Bookes Of Parsons to Elentherius Epistle to Luci●s agaynst the Pope's temporall Supremacie Of the same Parson 's impudent lyke answere to Bertram's booke agaynst Transsubstantiation Of Harding's disclayming also Hilarius Epistle to his Daughter Afra agaynst forced Continencie Of Baronius lyke rejecting of Pope Leo's Epistle which proveth That Pope Honorius was an Hereticke And Of Dureus disclayming that Testimonie of Saynct Bernard's